Turn of Camn ~FIN~

[Kuuhaku]

W...we are here

/confirm

[Kuuhaku]

you guys.....SO MANY GREAT PEOPLE IN THIS GAME!

this is gonna be great.
Plus. Pine must be punished.

This game is already set as our victory.

[Kuuhaku]

Don't worry Camn-san I'll protect anyone who tries to harm you they won't lay a finger on you while I'm around aha~
All foes of Camn and allies of pine I will make sure meet a swift end

Kiana's opening post is town she can help me protect Camn-san
VOTE: LLD

<3 Clarie Bearie time to hunt the scum together~

Oops looks like my hydra is a thing now so let's use this.

LLD, real talk, Pine doesn't even know me, much less pick me for his scumteam, he'll regret it.

Real talk 2: Alisae is 100% going to draft me.

[Kuuhaku]

Also, how many of these fucking "pick a player to be X alignment" games do I need to play and then FLIP TOWN IN before people realize that no one is ever going to pick me to be scum in these games. Humans are naturally risk averse.

Additionally, I think Alisae is the kind of person who would draft me to keep me from being drafted as scum.

True. I believe you're town for this reason.

But Alisae is more likely to draft me, because, <3 Alisae. So, if you're likely to be town, I'm literally conftown.

~Sora

[Kuuhaku]

talk 2: Alisae is 100% going to draft me.

Why?
I don’t even think Alisae would draft me

Because I'm cuter than you!

[Kuuhaku]

Pine, you're going to so regret not recruiting me for your scumteam... That was a critical mistake that guarantees that you and the scum will lose this game. I'll make sure to demolish your piss-sorry excuse for a draft-picked loser team; this will be your undoing.

I don't know who Camn is, but, let's save the princess

Lady Lambdadelta, we meet again. Are you ready to catch the scums with me, this time?

Saving this for when the game starts.

There is no way this isn't scum given my interactions with this player in VN UPick mafia.

Like, just no way.

Why not? You caught me, if you're not scum, let's work together to actually catch scum then. 2 Cats are better than 1.

[Kuuhaku]

Don't worry Camn-san I'll protect anyone who tries to harm you they won't lay a finger on you while I'm around aha~
All foes of Camn and allies of pine I will make sure meet a swift end

Kiana's opening post is town she can help me protect Camn-san
VOTE: LLD

<3 Clarie Bearie time to hunt the scum together~

Oops looks like my hydra is a thing now so let's use this.

LLD, real talk, Pine doesn't even know me, much less pick me for his scumteam, he'll regret it.

Real talk 2: Alisae is 100% going to draft me.

tbf, last time I picked a relative unknown (Secret Agent Jin), one known quantity I had no history with (Sir Cakez), and a guy I had a lot of history with (Aeronaut).

Picking Aeronaut is a straight ticket to lose.

[Kuuhaku]

Code: Select all

// ==UserScript==
// @name          Mafiascum: ignore Pine
// @namespace     https://www.mafiascum.net/
// @description   Ignore confscum
// @include       https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?*
// @version       1.0
// ==/UserScript==

try {
   let thread = document.getElementById("page-body");
   let posts = thread.getElementsByClassName("post");
   for(var i=0;i<posts.length;i++) {
      let post = posts[i];
      let profile = post.getElementsByClassName("postprofile")[0];
      let usernameLink = profile.getElementsByTagName("a")[0];
      let username = usernameLink.text;
      if(username == "Pine") {
         let inner = post.getElementsByClassName("inner")[0];
         inner.innerText = "Ignore confirmed scum, :good:";
      }
   }
} catch(e) {
   // Do nothing.
}

This code literally does nothing except to ignore the posts of a certain player. What's the point of this?

[Kuuhaku]

My own viewpoint with regard to "confscum-Pine" as well as Camn is to treat them both as backup Mods or, literally, part of the game's flavour. I'd like to read everything they say, it just adds to the fun, just like the attractions as Disneyland or a haunted houses for that matter.

~Sora

[Kuuhaku]

Truly good players don't get N1 killed. What's the point of dying N1 and being useless to town thereafter?

~Sora

[Kuuhaku]

blocking pine's posts is like watching a movie with a really hammy and fun villain but they cut out every part where the villain speaks

Good one!

[Kuuhaku]

Read through the entire thread, and, ignoring any modmetagaming based reads, that is, I'm not taking into account who Alisae/Pine may or may not have picked, here are my scumreads:

Mathdino, Ginggie, Centipede Syndrome

with Firebringer as a potential fourth.

[Kuuhaku]

Mastina's actions are questionable and warrants further study.

Potential to be role-based such as a vengeful or a supersaint.

[Kuuhaku]

Okay.

VOTE: Centipede

Come out, Chara!

[Kuuhaku]

Read through the entire thread, and, ignoring any modmetagaming based reads, that is, I'm not taking into account who Alisae/Pine may or may not have picked, here are my scumreads:

Mathdino, Ginggie, Centipede Syndrome

with Firebringer as a potential fourth.

Got it in one. Shit. Remind me never to scum against you again.

You cool with being N1 kill?

those are some solidly bad scumreads.

Show your work, otter.

Try me. Kuuhaku always wins.

Protectives will likely be on me. Up to you if you want to N1 kill me or not.

Players who get slain N1 simply aren't powertown enough to draw the protectives to them, yet are enough of a threat to scum they get offed N1.

~Sora

[Kuuhaku]

As much as I would love to policy lynch Mulch for the fun, he's locktown here.

~Sora

[Kuuhaku]

Never Loses: Kuuhaku (Kiana Kaslana + Shiro)

Townreading: Lady Lambdadelta, MariaR, Mulch, Parama
Probably won't get picked by Pine so odds are town: xRECKONERx, Aristophanes, BBmolla
Scumreading: Ginngie, Mathdino, Firebringer, Centipede Syndrome (Ellibereth + Chara)

Yet to sort:
- shos
- DrippingGoofball
- mastina
- Implosion
- Northsidegal

~Sora

[Kuuhaku]

Townreading: Lady Lambdadelta,

Why?

Her paranoia with regard to me reads town to me.

Also, I think Alisae would want to block Pine's choosing of her, so Alisae would be likely to draft LLD to prevent Pine from getting her, honestly speaking.

[Kuuhaku]

If Chara was playing on her own, I'd locktown her too on the basis that Alisae would probably pick Chara over Pine. But with Ellibereth in the picture it just complicates the issue.

[Kuuhaku]

Never Loses: Kuuhaku (Kiana Kaslana + Shiro)

Townreading: Lady Lambdadelta, MariaR, Mulch, Parama
Probably won't get picked by Pine so odds are town: xRECKONERx, Aristophanes, BBmolla
Scumreading: Ginngie,

Mathdino, Firebringer

, Centipede Syndrome (Ellibereth + Chara)

Yet to sort:
- shos
- DrippingGoofball
- mastina
- Implosion
- Northsidegal

~Sora

mastina

------------ 4 ( BBmolla(15),

Mathdino(43), Firebringer(52),

Lady Lambdadelta(8) )

L- 5

two of the four people voting are scum so irdc to look into individual votes. if you think mastina is scum it's your job to convince me, not to tell me to look into it myself. that being said, i again see no value in elaborating on townreads d1 because it not only tells scum who to kill but also why

That seems to fit somehow.

[Kuuhaku]

Jesus fuck chara just posted in a different game again and not here

<<<<<

MORE VOTES PLEASE

Do you think Chara is Creature? Why are you using such a poor reason to vote them?

I'm not townreading Charahydra either but you need better reasons, otherwise people won't be convinced.

~Sora

[Kuuhaku]

I find it hard to believe anyone would scumread ginngie rn

I find it hard to believe you aren't scum with ginggie rn.

[Kuuhaku]

I find it hard to believe anyone would scumread ginngie rn

So, does this mean you are ready to vote Ginggie?

Ready to move a wagon there.

[Kuuhaku]

I'm townreaidng Kuuhaku assuming it's Kiana rn and not Shiro

But I can't be sure

By SoD2 I'll have a 100% read on them I think

This is Kiana.

Shiro will be signing as Shiro. We don't want to confuse people.

[Kuuhaku]

Mulch, dearest, you may be locktown but I find it difficult to believe anyone will ever have you as a N1 kill. Unless you have a powerful role, then that's bad news for us.

[Kuuhaku]

If anyone has a dayvig just shoot out Firebringer's face. 75% chance to hit scum.

~Sora

[Kuuhaku]

I find it hard to believe anyone would scumread ginngie rn

So, does this mean you are ready to vote Ginggie?

Ready to move a wagon there.

Ginngie

------------ 3 ( mastina(45), Parama(26), Mulch(25) )

L- 6

???

Obviously, I didn't see that.

VOTE: Ginggie

[Kuuhaku]

If you been reading at all, you would have seen that

Who even reads votecounts?

[Kuuhaku]

I am a vigi, dumbass

Okay, let the other vigi CC you then shoot off your face.

[Kuuhaku]

I'm down.

VOTE: Gin

You can't bus if you have no vote!

[Kuuhaku]

I am a vigi, dumbass

Okay, let the other vigi CC you then shoot off your face.

Funny story
This happened a game ago

We were both town.
The vigi shot me while I shot scum.

Was that in marathons? Because that doesn't count.

[Kuuhaku]

Spoiler: AtE garbage

Also that fuck Pine doesn't deserve the win he got from the last game and I've been lowkey salty about it for awhile

So, are you going to help us betray him by throwing the game for him?

[Kuuhaku]

Never Loses: Kuuhaku (Kiana Kaslana + Shiro)

Townreading: Lady Lambdadelta, MariaR, Mulch, Parama
Probably won't get picked by Pine so odds are town: xRECKONERx, Aristophanes, BBmolla
Scumreading: Ginngie, Mathdino, Firebringer, Centipede Syndrome (Ellibereth + Chara)

Yet to sort:
- shos
- DrippingGoofball
- mastina
- Implosion
- Northsidegal

~Sora

Camn please tell me if your chosen mason is in my Yet to sort pile or I am already townreading. It's very important, if your mason hasn't been sorted, and I can add another locktown to my reads, it'll be very good.

[Kuuhaku]

I’m starting to think LLD was right on kuuhaku

I'm starting to think that LLD is going to townread me when she next comes online, then I'll get her to catnap your firey tiger butt.

[Kuuhaku]

Camn once mastina is dead I’m shooting kuuhaku unless you tell me someone else

You can try.

[Kuuhaku]

Vote me then, you tiny Growlithe pup.

[Kuuhaku]

Ur not worth a vote rn

Okay, scumbag.

[Kuuhaku]

I know Mulch has a reason but I don't know yours Kuuh

[Kuuhaku]

Never Loses: Kuuhaku (Kiana Kaslana + Shiro)

Townreading: Lady Lambdadelta, MariaR, Mulch, Parama
Probably won't get picked by Pine so odds are town: xRECKONERx, Aristophanes, BBmolla
Scumreading: Ginngie, Mathdino, Firebringer, Centipede Syndrome (Ellibereth + Chara)

Yet to sort:
- shos
- DrippingGoofball
- mastina
- Implosion
- Northsidegal

~Sora

Camn please tell me if your chosen mason is in my Yet to sort pile or I am already townreading. It's very important, if your mason hasn't been sorted, and I can add another locktown to my reads, it'll be very good.

Obvious Masonhunting is obvious. Be sneakier.

Time for bed, children. I'll be back in 7-8 hours to continue tormenting you!

Baiiiii

Yes, I am masonhunting. Is that a problem, Mister Pine? Wouldn't you like to know the identity of the mason as well? I'm doing you a favour. A small handicap for you before Maria and I rip your pathetic team to shreds.

Mason in this game is no better than an IC role. Not a very strong role by any means, and, if we were to crack this game open, I need as much information as I can get.

~Sora

[Kuuhaku]

Since all if not most of the town have left, I'll be leaving too. No point talking to the two scum in the thread.

~Sora

[Kuuhaku]

Hi, NSG. You're online, I'm online. Do you want to talk?

~Sora

PS: Thanks for the assist there, Firebringer.

Shiro is also currently online and is catching up in the thread.

[Kuuhaku]

What the hell is this "LAMIST" thing that you guys keep talking about these days? It doesn't sound to me like being lame or whatever.

[Kuuhaku]

This code literally does nothing except to ignore the posts of a certain player. What's the point of this?

what? pine is literally

confirmed scum

. like, we know that he's intentionally going to be trying to mislead town and wifom us. paying attention to what he has to say is pretty much going to be a waste of time – i don't really think any claim that we can "see through the wifom" or anything is actually substantial. so, everyone should be ignoring what he says. like, seriously. i see people responding to him or to things that he says – just stop. if you're town there's no purpose to it, i think it really only benefits scum trying to create non-associatives.

I don't know about you but I don't close my eyes at the attractions when I go into a haunted house. But maybe you do. Pine is the same, he's just a backup mod adding flavour to the game. That's how I deal with it.

[Kuuhaku]

What the hell is this "LAMIST" thing that you guys keep talking about these days? It doesn't sound to me like being lame or whatever.

“Look at me I’m so town”
It means your trying hard to look Town without actually be Town.


Kind of cringe terminology if you ask me.
What’s the difference between try hard Town and scum trying hard to be Town?
Seems hard to distinguish.

I agree. That terminology is 100% cringe. I'm dismayed that NSG has adopted the use of such a cringey term. So far, I've only seen newbs and weaker players do so.

[Kuuhaku]

thanks, firebringer.

oh this was sarcastic at first but then i realized that i misread.

anyways, sure. what would you like to talk about?

Ginngie, shos, DrippingGoofball , xRECKONERx, Mathdino, mastina, Lady Lambdadelta, MariaR, Centipede Syndrome, Implosion}

These all null?

yeah.

What the hell is this "LAMIST" thing that you guys keep talking about these days? It doesn't sound to me like being lame or whatever.

"look at me, i'm so town"

Commonly Used Abbreviations

So, now that Firebringer has helpfully corrected your mistaken identity of who's posting in my slot (Thanks, Firebringer! But, NAI.), does that change your analysis from #600 onwards?

[Kuuhaku]

For the record, Shiro is townreading Firebringer, and, my scumread on Firebringer is the weakest of my 4 picks. However, I took Firebringer's soft defenses of Ginggie as well as his reactions towards me as an admission of guilt.

[Kuuhaku]

they're two entirely different situations. when you go to a haunted house, you are not playing a game against someone. i think a more apt comparison would be someone shouting loudly at you while you try to solve a crossword or sudoku puzzle, and then putting on earplugs. it's the same thing, i feel. pine is someone actively trying to inhibit town's goals, so we should be ignoring him.

Well, I guess we can agree to disagree. I'll have to say that my perspective is a little biased, though, since I have been naturally trained to ignore my scumreads in the first place, so, it isn't too difficult for me to ignore Pine's scumtalk. If you need tools to help you do so, then, so be it. I'm just sharing what methods I use to deal with certain issues, in the hopes that it may help others.

~Sora

[Kuuhaku]

Does Shiro think he can get me to shoot someone else just by townreading me?

Do you think that:

1) I believe that you have a shot?
2) I believe that Alisae gives you a vig shot over me?
3) Your shot on me would even be remotely successful?
4) I believe you aren't scum making more noise than Pine?
5) I care for your empty threats?

[Kuuhaku]

could you explain your scumread on centipede and math, and your townread on bbmolla?

i also want to hear the reasoning on your ginngie read but apparently you're not doing that. any reason why?

My scumread on Math is gut. He feels off this game.

For Centipede, there is the issue raised regarding who Pine would pick, and this applies to Ellibereth which complicates the hydra slot. If it were Chara playing solo, I'd be able to lock-town them extremely quickly, but it isn't. Furthermore, Chara has barely posted or checked in for this game, which is unusual, as Mulch pointed out, Chara has been on-site. Logical conclusion is that Chara is avoiding this game, which should not be the case considering that fun people such as MariaR and myself are in here. If the pages exploded too quickly, sure, that's a fine reason, but, as an early read I believe this should suffice.

BBmolla seems to be a weak player that would be unlikely to be picked by Pine in a draft, for similar reasons to Aristophanes. I could be wrong.

~Sora

[Kuuhaku]

Does Shiro think he can get me to shoot someone else just by townreading me?

Do you think that:

1) I believe that you have a shot?
2) I believe that Alisae gives you a vig shot over me?
3) Your shot on me would even be remotely successful?
4) I believe you aren't scum making more noise than Pine?
5) I care for your empty threats?

1) no, u clearly dont. I just can’t wait till you find out it’s real
2) Alisae randomize the roles for Town as far as I know. Otherwise that needs to be disclosed or bastard
3) I mean, who would protect you/block me?
4) uhhhhh I guess by your weird logic
5) you care enough to respond to my “empty threats”

I'm only responding to you because Shiro thinks you're town.

[Kuuhaku]

BBmolla seems to be a weak player that would be unlikely to be picked by Pine in a draft, for similar reasons to Aristophanes. I could be wrong.

and do you get this sense from this game only or for meta from elsewhere?

From this game.

[Kuuhaku]

Five more minutes before I leave. Ask me any more significant questions before I do so.

[Kuuhaku]

Gone, bye. Shiro will be taking over for now.

Be back later.

~Sora

[Kuuhaku]

Hi...

~Shiro

[Kuuhaku]

Nii might not believe you but I think you are town and that Alisae would give you vig

[Kuuhaku]

Also, Parama is scum.

All his posts were noise. It appears that he is engaged but in all reality is saying nothing.

[Kuuhaku]

I truly believe Alisae would give me Vig based on that alone

~Shiro

[Kuuhaku]

Fine. I'm going to bed now.

For everyone who didn't know- I live in Asia. So my clock is just wrong. Try not to post 20 pages before I wake up!

Is this for real? You go to bed at 10? That's, like, a grade-school tier bedtime curfew!

[Kuuhaku]

BBmolla seems to be a weak player that would be unlikely to be picked by Pine in a draft, for similar reasons to Aristophanes. I could be wrong.

and do you get this sense from this game only or for meta from elsewhere?

From this game.

I'm actually very easy to read and thus I think I'm strong in that sense tbh.

I think my scumplay is better than my townplay because then I don't have to be honest. When I'm honest people seem to get upset with me.

How can your scumplay be good if you are "very easy to read"? By definition, you'd be obvscum when you're scum, so, it would necessitate poor scumplay!

This is a rhetorical question. Just an offhanded comment, I believe BBmolla is town here.

~Sora

[Kuuhaku]

With regard to the issue of NSG's miller claim:

I absolutely missed the miller claim, didn't see it at all, but from NSG's posts independently I've been townreading her outside of it. I see no reason to change my read based on something as irrelevant as a miller claim.


My townread on NSG is also supported by the fact that Pine is unlikely to pick NSG; it's more likely that NSG would be snagged by Alisae along with the rest of us (myself and Maria), so it's a pretty comfy read for me.

~Sora

[Kuuhaku]

It appears that I have had one misdirected mindset about the game, which is with regard to modmetagaming reads, i.e. who would have been picked to be on Pine's scumteam.

According to likely-true information given from Pine with regard to the setup, Pine had the first pick, before Alisae picked

three

players to be on town, instead of just one like I previously thought. This gives a highly significant advantage to Alisae and town, as Alisae would get significantly more of her choices, and decision control over her town team, than Pine would have for his own team.

Therefore I need to remind myself to approach this section of the game as "Who would Alisae pick" rather than "Who would Pine pick". This should be tackled more in the way of "Who's on Team Alisae" rather than "Who's on Team Pine".

This is just a reminder to myself, though it should be shared in the event that others are making the same mistake as well.

~Sora

[Kuuhaku]

Besides, I have a lot more knowledge with regard to who would be on Team Alisae rather than Team Pine. Heck, I don't even know who Pine is.

~Sora

[Kuuhaku]

Unfortunately, the only players who I can be extremely confident to be on Team Alisae is only the following: Myself, MariaR, Mulch, NSG, Chara.

Since Ellibereth complicates the Chara slot... yeah. If Pine picked Ellibereth as a first pick, as some players in this game are theorizing, there's no way I can clear that slot. That so doesn't help. Bah.

The rest of the playerlist I'm not familiar with, or would likely be leftovers on the bench.

[Kuuhaku]

Ask me anything. I'll be V/LA for 2 days after today, Shiro will be taking over while I'm gone.

~Sora

[Kuuhaku]

BBmolla seems to be a weak player that would be unlikely to be picked by Pine in a draft, for similar reasons to Aristophanes. I could be wrong.

and do you get this sense from this game only or for meta from elsewhere?

From this game.

doesn't it seem rather circular to you to look at bbmolla's play this game, after he's received his alignment, and use that to make a judgment about what his play would be like as scum? either circular or already assuming bbmolla is town, no?

like, you look at bbmolla's play this game and say "oh, this guy is playing a weak game, so he probably wasn't chosen for scum", when the converse of bbmolla being scum being the reason for him playing a weak game is also valid?

With regard to this, it's not necessarily circular. General player competency estimations need not necessarily be influenced by alignment.

I believe, your argument is, that I can't conclude that I can judge BBmolla's play from this game, since, his alignment has been decided already. But the fact of the matter is that I can construct accurate estimations and extrapolations of a single player's competency based on their play in a single game.

Take RC, for instance. If you played with him in a game, and only one game, you already might have certain conclusions of what kind of player he is; i.e. domineering, charismatic (?), egotistical. These traits need not necessarily be because he rolled scum; there are

just there

. With such observations, it isn't difficult to conclude that, because of these traits, RC would likely be a strong scum player. Then, working backwards, if RC was in a game with non-randomized alignments, it would be logical to deduce that RC would more likely than not to pick a scum alignment than town alignment.

The same applies here. Sure, you may argue that BBmolla is playing a weak game

because

he is scum, rather than my position that BBmolla is not scum because he is playing a weak game. But, several players are able to play a strong game regardless of their alignment. It begs the question: if BBmolla is known to play weak games as scum, would he even have been picked to be scum in the first place? Would Pine knowingly sacrifice the chances of his team winning, the fact that BBmolla would likely be caught, and also a valuable team slot, just to pull such a reverse-psychology stunt?

The answer is up to you to decide. But my answer is no, he would not. BBmolla won't be chosen to be scum unless there was no other choice.

~Sora

[Kuuhaku]

I love how wrong peoples' setup spec is vis a vis "who would Pine pick."

Yup, that was a mistake on my part. Poor direction taken with regard to the game.

As corrected, "Who Alisae would pick" results in significantly more accurate results.

[Kuuhaku]

Hmm, nobody's posting. Sad. I'll be leaving for V/LA for 2 days, during this time Shiro will be handling this slot instead of me.

[Kuuhaku]

Reads before I leave (mostly unchanged from my previous reads post)

Never Loses: Kuuhaku (Kiana Kaslana + Shiro)

Townreading: Lady Lambdadelta, MariaR, Mulch, Northsidegal
Probably won't get picked by Pine so odds are town: xRECKONERx, Aristophanes, BBmolla
Light scumread: Firebringer,
Scumreading: Ginngie, Mathdino, Centipede Syndrome (Ellibereth + Chara)

Yet to sort:
- shos
- DrippingGoofball
- mastina
- Implosion
- Parama


The changes here are that NSG goes into the town pile while Parama gets kicked out, after some valid concerns that Shiro has raised. Shiro is also townreading Firebringer; my scumread on him was the weakest when I had made that comment, so I will pause on that as well.

~Sora

[Kuuhaku]

wait you still around kiana?

Yes. Hi.

[Kuuhaku]

wait you still around kiana?

In between the time that I saw this post and me currently writing this post, I have completed a full ISO of you. I pre-empt that you will ask for an explanation for my scumread on you (as if questions like these do you any good...)

The reasons are the following:

- Your early game play appears to be devoid of scumhunting or genuine attemtps to game solve.
- Forced attempts to steer discussion into "policy lynch" territory give scum in general (possibly including yourself) ample room to hide.
- Your posts do feel off compared to the last time I played with you in Be Yourself Mafia

~Sora

[Kuuhaku]

@Kiana:

I just had an epiphany that Alisae doesn’t really have an incentive to try to form an all star town team so he could just draft randomly or for no good reason

Thoughts on this post?

camn and Pine have wincons. Alisae does not.

Also you need to stop masonhunting. The vast majority of scumwins in mason setups are lost because town is full of dumb shits that accidentally force the masons to out themselves. See history of Friends & Enemies.

I wasn't able to parse that post, so I ignored it.

It's not my problem that the average Mafiascum town is full of dumb shits. I play by my way. Those failures do not apply to me.

I want to know if the mason is already overlapped with my current townreads, or >> I can add another unsorted player to my lock-town pile << . That is my goal.

[Kuuhaku]

wasn't going to ask, but okay

your reasons mostly show a lack of understanding of my playstyle, which is whatever

people were scumreading me in BYM D1 because that was an offgame with the nonstop shitshow

Edit: jesus christ

Funny, because I locktowned you correctly in BYM. I don't see a reason to believe that my general accuracy with regard to reading you has error.

[Kuuhaku]

camn and Pine have wincons. Alisae does not.

Pretty sure that Alisae is roleplaying that she's on the town's side, along with Camn.

Of course, as a game host, the real wincon for her is to ensure that the game is successful, and that the players have lots of fun. That's her

real

wincon. But, the flavour for this game appears to be Pine vs Alisae & Camn, so, that's a reasonable assumption to make, and one that I will follow.

~Sora

[Kuuhaku]

you overestimate your own read accuracy significantly more than RC does, kiana

like you're slowly turning into the new him in that regard

Coming from a scumread, I'll take this comment with a bucketload of salt.

[Kuuhaku]

for those who brought it up: yes, i'm avoiding this game. Elli isn't here right now and i don't care to put work in yet. carry on.
basically just checking in to make sure we're not being wagoned and i don't need to obvtown yet.
looks like we aren't. cool.
~Chara

You are being wagoned and you need to obvtown now. We need you. Kiana and Maria need you!

~Sora

[Kuuhaku]

you overestimate your own read accuracy significantly more than RC does, kiana

like you're slowly turning into the new him in that regard

Coming from a scumread, I'll take this comment with a bucketload of salt.

have you ever actually calculated your own read accuracy

PoE does 5 times as much work as actual scumhunting, which, for the majority of players, results in = random reads

yours included

Yes, I have, it's above 80%. Don't believe me? Check my completed games where I was town. The base rate where a random number generator is used to determine reads is 33%, which is most scum:town ratios. Weaker players are worse than that.

I don't understand what your second and third sentence means.

[Kuuhaku]

You are being wagoned and you need to obvtown now. We need you. Kiana and Maria need you!

~Sora

ugh, but i don't want to. it's not even a wagon based on my play, it's some bull about Pine picking Ellibereth over every other player despite no indication Pine is even aware of our existence.

Plaaaayyyy wiiiittthhh usss!!!!!!!!

[Kuuhaku]

I don't want Ellibereth I want Chara :[

I mean, Ellibereth is fun and nice and a friend of Chara is a friend of everyone! But! Chara! :[

[Kuuhaku]

i also haven't read half the thread. hahaha.

pedit: don't feel like it. :<

[Kuuhaku]

Yes, I have, it's above 80%. Don't believe me? Check my completed games where I was town. The base rate where a random number generator is used to determine reads is 33%, which is most scum:town ratios. Weaker players are worse than that.

i'm just gonna let everyone else deal with this

this is inaccurate on 3 different levels

I doubt anybody cares, to be honest. It's like, you asked me a question, I answered you, then when I gave an answer that you don't like, you go "nope, gonna let others deal with this."

Then why ask?

[Kuuhaku]

@Alisae, there is a vote count error. Good friend Timmy didn't pick up Mulch's extremely deformed vote for Ginggie here. He is no longer voting for Centipede Syndrome.

VOTE: ggin

[Kuuhaku]

Yes, I have, it's above 80%. Don't believe me? Check my completed games where I was town. The base rate where a random number generator is used to determine reads is 33%, which is most scum:town ratios. Weaker players are worse than that.

i'm just gonna let everyone else deal with this

this is inaccurate on 3 different levels

I doubt anybody cares, to be honest. It's like, you asked me a question, I answered you, then when I gave an answer that you don't like, you go "nope, gonna let others deal with this."

Then why ask?

sigh

1. i HAVE been checking your completed towngames, your scumread accuracy is not 80%. ELLIBERETH'S scumread accuracy isn't even 80%
if your townread accuracy is 80%, you are exactly average

2. random reads are 25% accurate on scumreads, 75% accurate on townreads

3. you don't seem to know what ratio means

4. you constantly act like you're some hot shit, SAY that you're some hot shit, and it's annoying as shit and i thought i'd get away from that kind of playstyle after RC got banned
like people call me egotistical but that's mostly because of confidence
i'm pretty honest about my reads accuracy and the possibility of being wrong
you're just... not

i asked because i was hoping we could talk about your self awareness for a second (something something read my article) but w/e

you're fitting right in on this site

Again, if you don't like my answer, why ask? Who said that Ellibereth's scumread accuracy had to be a benchmark for me? I certainly didn't mention him at all.

Well, I'm so sorry that I made a mistake with regard to the ratio of scum:town in a game, where it's 25% instead of 33% (1:4 instead of 1:3). Sue me.

I haven't played any game with you besides Be Yourself Mafia, which, RC was making a mess of and so I ejected out of there ASAP, so, I don't know what your problem is. You were scum MVP #2, just behind RC who was scum MVP #1. You voted town on so many occasions and in fact was responsible for the junked Lylo where you mislynched Eddie Cane who had correctly identified Cheeky as the last scum. I wasn't the one who raised this topic in the first place, nor had any intention to act like any "hot shit", you were the one who raised this topic entirely. I seriously do not think that you are in any position to lecture me.


All of that nonsense aside, congratulations on steering discussion onto more off-topic nonsense that is completely irrelevant to the current game at hand. Of all the 30 pages of wholesome content you could comment on, here you are trying to stir a pot and attempt to create disruption with a questionable topic, which, interestingly, literally nobody raised. First policy lynching, now this. Definitely behavior that allows for scum to hide, and objectively scum-wincon advancing behavior.

~Sora.

[Kuuhaku]

- "If you don't like my answer, why ask": because i wanted to see whether you had, and if you had, how accurate your self appraisal actually is

- oh fuck off, i nailed NSG and mulch. you weren't ejected, you threw a tantrum. i voted against my reads that lylo because i sheep the dead as a matter of principle
people don't sheep the dead nearly enough on MS
i assumed that RC would have a correct read on CT given his history of correctly reading her

- you're asking me counterquestions when i respond to you yet you want me to not respond to you?

80% scumread accuracy is such a meme

i'm waiting to talk about my scumreads for a thing to finish in a few days or so

D1 is literally "find a lynch that isn't shit, hope ellibereth is town, and wait for him to solve the game"

so far shit lynches would be
{Mulch, NSG, Parama (why the fuck are people scumreading this), Aristophanes, Kiana} and probably {BBMolla}

And what exactly would the point of knowing about my self appraisal achieve? How does

your opinion

of my opinion of my read accuracy affect your reads and the way you play in this game?

I'm not going to shame you here and have no intention of doing so, but your statements regarding BYM are false. Anybody who wants to scrutinize that game can do so for themselves, and it's clear as day who contributed how much to a town / scum success in that game. You clearly have zero idea why I replaced out of all my games with RC. In any case, I don't see how this discussion is game relevant.

I, however, see your persistence in continuing game-irrelevant discussions for the entirety of your posts up till this point.

~Sora

[Kuuhaku]

if you don't want me to continue the discussion stop fucking asking me questions then

i follow your games onsite, i know exactly why you replaced out of all your games (welcome back to an alisae large theme btw), and my statements of having nailed NSG from the first 5 pages are entirely correct

you literally started a discussion with "HEY MATHDINO YOURE GOING TO ASK WHY IM SCUMREADING YOU AND HERES WHY"

to which my response is, i don't really give a fuck, you townslipped and you have a way higher opinion of yourself than what is in any way realistic, and it's like i'm playing with another 2018 RC

all i wanted to talk to you about in the first place was the alignment choice meta thing
i suspect that alisae might have balanced the game in response to the skill level of the scumteam
but i really don't think alisae is "playing to town wincon" like camn is

The questions that I'm asking you are relevant to the game and alignment indicative. I'm trying to figure out what would a town-Mathdino's purpose be for starting such a discussion with regard to RC and reads appraisal nonsense.

Yes, I did start a discussion with: "HEY MATHDINO YOURE GOING TO ASK WHY IM SCUMREADING YOU AND HERES WHY". My prediction was wrong. Sue me.

With regard to alignment choice, good news for you, Alisae is

still

going to pick the players I've flagged earlier for her team, because Team Alisae. Coming round to Chara potentially being town too. Sadly, that slot isn't so black and white.

Considering that this form of analysis only locktowns apparently only 5 people... yeah.. it's a very wide margin for error for the rest of the players.

[Kuuhaku]

if you fuckos spam the thread so much that DGB replaces out i will shit down all of your throats

If you think DGB, a player with more than a decade of experience on this site, is unable to handle just 30 pages in 24 hours, I think it's an insult to her capabilities.

~Kiana

[Kuuhaku]

BBmolla seems to be a weak player that would be unlikely to be picked by Pine in a draft, for similar reasons to Aristophanes. I could be wrong.

and do you get this sense from this game only or for meta from elsewhere?

From this game.

I'm actually very easy to read and thus I think I'm strong in that sense tbh.

I think my scumplay is better than my townplay because then I don't have to be honest. When I'm honest people seem to get upset with me.

How can your scumplay be good if you are "very easy to read"? By definition, you'd be obvscum when you're scum, so, it would necessitate poor scumplay!

This is a rhetorical question. Just an offhanded comment, I believe BBmolla is town here.

~Sora

Cause people suck at this game

:nods:

Good answer, I guess that means you're honest. I suppose that means you're town, then.

#Moonlogic

~Sora

(Yes, I missigned in the above post)

[Kuuhaku]

VOTE: Parama

ive only iso'd dgb and lld but they both look town

unsure if that's legit or if it's my "oh god sanity now please" bias kicking in

What do you see town in dgb so far? In whichever game I have seen her only make single sentence posts like that she was scum. Granted it was ages ago.

[Kuuhaku]

ari is null so far, not enough content

Nobody would pick Ari as scum. He hates playing scum and it's a known thing he just hyper lurks. If anything they wouldn't pick him cause he hates it. He is a solid Town by virtue of non random roles and alignment.

~Shiro

[Kuuhaku]

@reck

Fair enough on dgb but ari is different on that regard. It would be a Dick move to pick him based on the knowledge he dislikes playing scum.

[Kuuhaku]

Okay, let's see about catching up here! =D

Γειά σού Αριστοφάνη :p

@Math you remind me how you played in our game together for some reason and I can't quite put my finger on why :/

[Kuuhaku]

Dino why r u reading Kiana town?

We are town fire and so are you ^_^

~Shiro

[Kuuhaku]

To be honest though my most solid read right now is Parama, fire you should join me on voting them.

~Shiro

[Kuuhaku]

I don’t believe that

D:

~Shiro

[Kuuhaku]

Mastina wagon cures balding those who don’t join it often feel their hair fall out. Highly recommend if you care about your hair

W..well I do care about my hair

~Shiro

[Kuuhaku]

Guys hear me out, we all really don't townread Parama from my understanding yet nobody but me actually votes him.

He has been active without really having said anything of substance. This truly seems like someone feigning activity in order to not draw attention for either lurking or doing something wrong.

The mastina/gigngie thing will solve by itself, if anything fire will solve it at night.

It is a distraction right now that had dominated most of the game. Let it go.

~Shiro

[Kuuhaku]

Are you just saying that to get fire to vig someone else?

What do you mean?

[Kuuhaku]

Hey guys, let's just leave Parama alone, yeah? He's just an innocent scummer putting in an honest day's work.

Take your wine elsewhere you fiendish tree..

[Kuuhaku]

Parama is town.

VOTE: Parama

Hm?

[Kuuhaku]

Parama tbh I was prepared to unvote you after reading you stuff I did post but the replace out threat and subsequant AtEing is just awful so now I am not sure how to feel about you again.

[Kuuhaku]

I would also vote DgB though that vote on Parama was awful.

[Kuuhaku]

Parama slot is town 100% confirmed by the way. I do not think Parama scum replaces out like that.

I mean we do not know if he will replace out yet at all. This is quality AtE stuff he might be pulling. Hold your judgment there.

[Kuuhaku]

Parama slot is town 100% confirmed by the way. I do not think Parama scum replaces out like that.

I mean we do not know if he will replace out yet at all. This is quality AtE stuff he might be pulling. Hold your judgment there.

don't like this post

k, I have seen that kind of AtE before so w/e

[Kuuhaku]

I am just speaking my mind here and everything does need to be taken into consideration.

[Kuuhaku]

Listen nsg, I have problems and mastina is just one.


But yeah Kiana is no 2 on my list.

Fire you have become really rusty on reading me, Shiro is sad.

No worries though I will probably have obtowned to death by day 2 so

Sowwy Dx

[Kuuhaku]

I can see Fire scum, do I remember someone being madly opposed to that? Or is it just the vig claim? I'd like to hear for and against.

I am pretty sure Fire is town.He would be far less engaged if he was scum and only joke around.

[Kuuhaku]

Deny me to Pine because I am a better scum player.

Reck I think it’s time to bring out the video

Thanks for making laught really hard xD