In post 270, Ginngie wrote:The mods are Alisae, and camn vs Pine picking and stuff
Pine has first pick, and then 5th
They alternate picks right? that's the first conditional
Do you agree?
I'm not using this game as a platform to try and create "long term reform" in MS
I wanna win
badly
--- and Mastina isn't completely destructive
Not like Flubbernugget and Derpy Hooves
so I vote no to the policy lynch
Plus I like Mastina
Kinda
So I don't wanna lynch them
got it?
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I'm scumreading Ginnigie, Mathdino, and LLD right now
Ginnigie because I can smell their fear and they definitely don't have the same tone as their town game
Mathdino because I think he's been different tonally and is doing some high end bullshit
LLD is just obvious scum
I'm not using this game as a platform to try and create "long term reform" in MS
I wanna win
badly
--- and Mastina isn't completely destructive
this is exactly like every other depressing sequel isn't it
tbh if i only wanted long term reform i'd probably WOTC ellibereth for youknowwhat but w/e
if chara turns out to be scum i will withhold on policy lynching mastina, fair?
also having just finished a game with town mastina who tunneled me for a whole day, blew up the thread (allowing scum to hide), and actively ignored anything i had to say
while butting into the conversations i was having in order to try to sort people (which hurt my ability to sort people)
i disagree that mastina is less destructive than derpy hooves
and flubbernugget is fine
"I just want to play mafia, not Economics Wonderland." - cytheflyguy
In post 273, Mulch wrote:i feel like we're already super close to solving the game and it's day 1
Well yeah.
One of the reasons why I opened the way I did is because I knew I could. Ellibereth is not going to be drafted as scum. (Any chance of that dies with Chara in the hydra.) Give him time to form D1 reads, and convey them, then the game's won...because even if every other player in the game who'd sheep Elli died, there's one player who can sheep Ellibereth that scum can't kill. And while her vote might be worth 0, people can sheep her in her sheeping of Elli, so.
Lmao I just read Centipede Syndrome and they are super super scum?
The thing that prompted me to read their iso is that Chara was posting in another game which dosen't even make any sense with this playerlist and prestige and the fact they love early game
And now they haven't been energized and engaged and??
And they are acting defensive?
And chara dosen't have the same quality o posts as town!chara?
And they are harping on dumb things?
And chara isn't acting like town!chara in tone at all?
Add that to the fact Elli hasn't even posted which is exactly what they did as scum TWICE when hydraing with me and??
And add that to the fact that elli would be my #1 choice for scum???????
In post 274, Mathdino wrote:like it's hard to argue that lynching town-mastina is +town EV
Except, legit, I genuinely think it is. While I did make that post more or less as a parody, the point behind it? Dead serious.
I think that lynching me before endgame is +town EV.
I don't
like
eating mislynches (especially since by my SWA algorithm that's an automatic -2), but when it's part of gamebreaking I can bite the bullet. And I legit think that lynching me at some point DOES accomplish that. I'm not sure about when, specifically, lynching me would be the right play. But lynching me, I genuinely feel helps the town. It's just a question of when, and what I can do to maximize said help.
I don't have the specifics planned out. But I more or less mapped out in my mind...I can't find the words for it, but the beginning of a strategy whereby lynching me helps to expose the scum.
Because I think your vote on Mulch is bad and im trying to figure out the chance of you being scum for it or just wrong town. ASP at least had some decent logic... yours is just "got replaced multiple times (which applies to your slot), opportunistic voting (not explained - and I think outright false), and bad case (again not explained)"
He also did vote you at first, and that apparently didn't effect your read so get out of here with that being a reason Mulch is scum. Threatening stuff like that isn't scummy. Its more of a meta note about a play type unless you legitimately are trying to argue that in no situation town-Mulch would ever put themselves at L-1. Town DOES do that at times, so again unless Mulch in particular you are going to argue never would, with some sort of reasoning, not an alignment tell. Its just a "trust player judgment less" tell.
Additionally he raises a good question that you refuse to answer: What if he is town? Its not like that should be a hard question to answer, reads are good.
@Mulch - So lets say if you were able to make Ginngie the largest counter wagon. Would you?
The tell, is when a slot reads PM, flakes, another person replaces, sees PM, flakes. If your heart so desires I can actually go into every time I've used it correctly...
Yooh actually put in some decent work, which is one of the key differences.
Regarding the tell, the only thing that makes me think it's not the best to use it is the newbie queue because apparently replacements run rampant in a game :/
You're blind if you can't find the context of his asp vote, here it is all fine and dandy.
Spoiler:
In post 170, guyy wrote:jaereed was not exactly silent about looking for a reason to vote llama
i dislike more the players that just stay out of the spotlight. it seems convenient at this point
This is a fun exercise, find where Mulch took any real attempt to sort Jae? (hint, I already checked, only one post and it's really weak :3 )
Also you're saying "bad case" but what case are you talking about, I've pretty much done a series of posts breaking down my thinking. What were the things you took issue with because I have no idea what you're talking about.
"He also voted you at first, and that apparently didn't have any effect on your read"
Spoiler:
In post 254, Ginngie wrote:I don't think you are so I'm not entertaining it.
I hate that question with a burning passion because it's stupid.
In post 255, Mulch wrote:You have it because your scum. As of now, I am having no further contact with you. Enjoy the scum lynch tmrw if I'm lynched.
You're trying to stand on some type of high ground and say you won't engage with me because you know your reasoning is scummy and further discussing it makes you look worse.
Essentially firing pot shots and trying to get out of the fight before people realize you're in the wrong.
In post 259, Ginngie wrote:Also, when a player has expressed town reads and also a list showing who she doesn't town read, why didn't you ask me why I didn't town read those players?
Instead you went defensive instead of trying to sort me by exploring my reasoning for multiple slots.
Even then when you got defensive, you didn't actually talk about any of the points I brought up, or talk it out.
You chose to use an obscure reason that makes no real sense to OMGUS a player.
Literally nothing you did has been town
In post 272, Ginngie wrote:A town reaction is a reads dump, just pour info to help town.
In post 264, Mulch wrote:I don't really care if I'm lynched as long as you vote Gin after me *shrug*
Go ahead and hammer
Just make sure to lynch ginigie tmrw
VOTE: Mulch
In post 335, Ginngie wrote:My scum read is so strong on Gininja that I would die willingly and provoke my own death if it meant him being lynched the next day.
I will not however, ever actually vote him. I first need permission from my number one, no way I think he's town, biggest hard on of a scum read I think I've ever experienced; and then secondly, I need to be coaxed into actually wagoning him by other slots in the game.
-Mulch
"Town does it at times"
No shit, I've done it before.
Here's the thing tho sweetheart, it's about CONTEXT, ya taking what I'm analyzing and putting it in a void makes it null and void, but put it in the context and you get.
Spoiler:
In post 254, Ginngie wrote:I don't think you are so I'm not entertaining it.
I hate that question with a burning passion because it's stupid.
In post 255, Mulch wrote:You have it because your scum. As of now, I am having no further contact with you. Enjoy the scum lynch tmrw if I'm lynched.
You're trying to stand on some type of high ground and say you won't engage with me because you know your reasoning is scummy and further discussing it makes you look worse.
Essentially firing pot shots and trying to get out of the fight before people realize you're in the wrong.
In post 259, Ginngie wrote:Also, when a player has expressed town reads and also a list showing who she doesn't town read, why didn't you ask me why I didn't town read those players?
Instead you went defensive instead of trying to sort me by exploring my reasoning for multiple slots.
Even then when you got defensive, you didn't actually talk about any of the points I brought up, or talk it out.
You chose to use an obscure reason that makes no real sense to OMGUS a player.
Literally nothing you did has been town
In post 272, Ginngie wrote:A town reaction is a reads dump, just pour info to help town.
In post 264, Mulch wrote:I don't really care if I'm lynched as long as you vote Gin after me *shrug*
Go ahead and hammer
Just make sure to lynch ginigie tmrw
VOTE: Mulch
In post 335, Ginngie wrote:My scum read is so strong on Gininja that I would die willingly and provoke my own death if it meant him being lynched the next day.
I will not however, ever actually vote him. I first need permission from my number one, no way I think he's town, biggest hard on of a scum read I think I've ever experienced; and then secondly, I need to be coaxed into actually wagoning him by other slots in the game.
-Mulch
Surprising isn't it?
I have an clear history of never dealing with pre-flips and shunning any reasoning with it.
HOW ABOUT THIS:
I DON'T CARE ABOUT READJUSTING MY READS BASED ON WHAT HE FLIPS BEFORE HE FLIPS
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