Mini Normal 1996: Floral Mafia [Endgame!]

[MariaR]

boop da boop la la
been a bit from a normal lets go la go (kill la kill?) Eh

VOTE: Mumble

[MariaR]

VOTE: Maria

If you were a flower, you’d be a DAMNdelion

@havo why did you change your disclaimer from the last game?

Found my mason partner

[MariaR]

VOTE: Maria

If you were a flower, you’d be a DAMNdelion

@havo why did you change your disclaimer from the last game?

It seemed to cause too much controversy and took away from the RVS stage.
And I like this new one better.

Did you change this before this game or while you were making your post

[MariaR]

VOTE: Maria

If you were a flower, you’d be a DAMNdelion

@havo why did you change your disclaimer from the last game?

Found my mason partner

Awesome post on page one man.

Elaborate?

VOTE: Katherine
Serious vote I feel like this was an obv joke/being sassy and from what i've seen scum are more then likely to take posts more seriusly because scum know people are town so there posts are legit...I prob could've explained this a bit better but yeah

VOTE: Maria

If you were a flower, you’d be a DAMNdelion

@havo why did you change your disclaimer from the last game?

It seemed to cause too much controversy and took away from the RVS stage.
And I like this new one better.

Did you change this before this game or while you were making your post

I was thinking about not mentioning it at all. But then when I went to post I figured I dial it back a bit.
I think it still gets the point across tho, don’t you?

Yeah I don't fully get the context on why you needed to dial it back because it seemed perfectly fine before and maybe some people are babies but eh

[MariaR]

idk how to take Havos change if he said it was before the game that would've made it now saying he did it while he was posting could mean self conscious scum but the tone so far feels like town who genuinely didn't want to fuck something up.
Whew sr and a tr so far Maria you are on fire
Pedit: I don't think you should give tips regardless and let us see the reaction

[MariaR]

Hello Hello Hello.

Before I RVS vote, let me introduce myself.

I’m a mediocre mafia player at best who really dislikes Day 1s.
I’ve been known to quick hammer peeps on Day 1 if it’s just a day or two
Into the game to get the game moving.

I’m generally quite active and polite. But I have been called terrible town, an idiot and a Liar.
As recently as my last game.

But I’m looking forward to a great game with this player list.

I guess I townread Havo because of this.

I don't really think Havo should be townread for this post alone. Maybe the stuff he posted after explaining but I feel a post like that alone is on the edge of NAI (it's why I asked a few questions about it)

VOTE: katherine
Too many already.
btw I'm super excited about this playerlist

This being Gamma's only post so far looks terrible.

Why?

[MariaR]

Alright, Creature can be town.

Maybe but I dislike him thinking both kts and chill are town.

Because you disagree or?

[MariaR]

Fudgepops I should've popped on earlier but breakfast had me calling.
Creature Havo town so far
don't really understand the Tchi scumreads? Or at least the reasons brought up for why he's scum they feel rather weak.

[MariaR]

Alright, Creature can be town.

Maybe but I dislike him thinking both kts and chill are town.

Because you disagree or?

Yes. I’m leaning scum on kts and null on tchill. I’m not excluding this being scum theater either but I don’t know if I’m ready to commit to that theory so early.

Why does having dif reads=dislike to you (I assume that means scummy as well correct me if wrong) I don't really think having dif reads is what's important it's the reasoning and if it feels genuine (as does all reads but this is basic mafia 101 talk I'm going into)

[MariaR]

I don't think there's enough reason to scum read mumble. I do appreciate activity but I feel like you're definitely trying to take control of the game and I also don't like how you pointed out you could be aggressive as scum also.

I don't get your mindset here - you hard townread Kill because scum wouldn't be aggressive early D1, but then dislike Kill admitting he's aggressive as either alignment?

Backwards reasoning.

What about it? Should he be drawing the same conclusion as you..?

It's very beg-the-question-y, as though it would be reasonable to nail someone as scum off of a single point. It looks like scum hedging on either a scumbuddy or on a townie and not really sure if they want to risk joining the possibly-developing wagon.

Early day one I'm down for any wagon that's not mine.

This is such a blatantly scummy thing to say I'm almost thinking it's Town.

This post is objectively false.
It's not backwards reasoning because doing something and

saying

something are 2 dif things. Acting one way is something admitting to it is something else and I think that's the case and point here.

Point 2:
How is that scummy? It's just blunt and true. Sure it's not the most optimal town play but that doesn't mean it's scummy.
Like day 1 for me I fully expect to be suspected maybe even lynched so I might just "roll with the flow"
same type of reasoning.

[MariaR]

I don't think there's enough reason to scum read mumble. I do appreciate activity but I feel like you're definitely trying to take control of the game and I also don't like how you pointed out you could be aggressive as scum also.

VOTE: mumble

VOTE: Tchill

ew

[MariaR]

Well I guess only the first part of the post is objectively false the 2nd part is just a matter of opinion

[MariaR]

The point is the progression is weird: he hard townreads him for aggressiveness but then dislikes him admitting he's aggressive as either alignment - I could understand if his reaction was 'Oh, in that case I'll rescind my hard townread on you', but to say he doesn't like it implies he sees it as possibly scum-motivated - which is weird as I would have expected his natural progression here to be 'why would scum admit they shouldn't be townread for something?'.

I feel like you're trying to connect the 2 statements as if it's similar when I don't think it is? Saying you townread someone for being aggro
but dislike said person for saying it is 2 dif statements to me it's not like they're the exact same thing where if they were I could see what you're saying. I guess what I'm trying to say is I don't get how the progression is weird but seems like we just disagree

[MariaR]

Gamma's prob town

[MariaR]

VOTE: katherine
Too many already.
btw I'm super excited about this playerlist

This being Gamma's only post so far looks terrible.

Why?

I'm so excited *lurks*

ehhh could've been busy irl etc etc
doesn't seem that good a reason
Pedit: Even if he agrees with the read doesn't mean he can't think my reasoning is shit gamma

[MariaR]

It's not NAI because he said he changed it while posting. It would've been NAI if he said he changed it before the game

[MariaR]

It's not NAI because he said he changed it while posting. It would've been NAI if he said he changed it before the game

It's not particularly AI because he equally could have changed it as either alignment - as scum because he doesn't want to draw as much attention to himself; as town because he doesn't want the game being sidetracked by the same issue again.

Hence why you weren't able to draw a useful conclusion from it.

Hence why I asked questions after to get a better answer but this is just leading to a dead end

pretty sure kath is still a decent vote although I'd lynch Ausuka too

[MariaR]

Only issue with Ausuka scum is it somewhat points to Tchii scum and ehhh on that.

[MariaR]

Luca Blight can also join the townclub. If there's scum on Tchill it's Gamma.

pedit:

If we lynched Tchill and he flipped scum, I probably wouldn't townread KTS for it.

Them being scumbuddies could explain him continuing to hard-townread KTS even after KTS himself dismissed his point, but that's kinda meh. He'd stay null.

The Luca tr comes out of no where "Oh look a towny who made a wall post that seems to have reasoning lets tr that" The bolded is interesting cause the first thing that came to mind was "Partner with Tchill who knows he'll flip scum and is trying to not credit KTS"
The hedge here is the bad type of hedge too
Pedit: That I tr him?

[MariaR]

No I tr Havo I thought I made that very clear

[MariaR]

while he was posting could mean self conscious scum but the tone so far feels like town who genuinely didn't want to fuck something up.

Whew sr

and a tr so far

Maria you are on fire

[MariaR]

Luca Blight can also join the townclub. If there's scum on Tchill it's Gamma.

pedit:

If we lynched Tchill and he flipped scum, I probably wouldn't townread KTS for it.

Them being scumbuddies could explain him continuing to hard-townread KTS even after KTS himself dismissed his point, but that's kinda meh. He'd stay null.

The Luca tr comes out of no where

Where is it supposed to come from? It's page 8. What he posted makes sense and appears to come from a town mindset.

"Oh look a towny who made a wall post that seems to have reasoning lets tr that"

...What I did was literally just townreading Luca. That's it. There's absolutely no reason why that means I'm scum here. Like maybe if you were scumreading me for not giving reasoning I could at least understand it. But what you're doing here just makes no sense at all.

The bolded is interesting cause the first thing that came to mind was "Partner with Tchill who knows he'll flip scum and is trying to not credit KTS"

... what. KTS isn't even voting Tchill. No, he doesn't get towncred because he pushed him for like a page at the start of a game.

I'm pretty happy voting this for now actually.
VOTE: MariaR

1)hey look you finally posted reasoning on your luca tr as you should've done in the first place! It's a start.
2)I can think you're scum for any reason I want I don't get how you think not making sense=scum
3) Also should've been stated in the first post
Well at least I got to squeeze something out of you

[MariaR]

1)Yes I am being nitpicky I see something I dislike I comment I nitpick it's up to you to see if you think I'm town or if you think I'm doing scum motivated actions *shrug*
2)You're basically trying to say my thoughts don't exist....no comment
3) Without the added reasoning it was just a shade post if you added that reasoning to back it up it would've been much more clear

[MariaR]

2) Eh blah blah self meta. Fair enough
3)It's shading/slimy to say someone shouldn't get credit without bringing up facts why they shouldn't. (And you didn't do that in the first post)

[MariaR]

sup KTS long time since my first scum game friend

[MariaR]

so is no one gonna link a tchill towngame?

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=74256
I don't like meta but if it suits you bud

[MariaR]

I still get ptsd from that game

[MariaR]

looking for a deepwolf i'd say it could be maria as a likely candidate for it. luca i dont think so, and no one else looks like theyre trying to deepwolf. pr0bably just gonna keep maria on a leash the entire game lol.

gonna read up on tchill and make my final judgement on the dude.

Welcome to the town block
Also you're not wrong.

[MariaR]

I think KTS "how many mafia are there" dumbtell was legit

[MariaR]

Hello Hello Hello.

Before I RVS vote, let me introduce myself.

I’m a mediocre mafia player at best who really dislikes Day 1s.
I’ve been known to quick hammer peeps on Day 1 if it’s just a day or two
Into the game to get the game moving.

I’m generally quite active and polite. But I have been called terrible town, an idiot and a Liar.
As recently as my last game.

But I’m looking forward to a great game with this player list.

Can we not excuse d1 quickhammers

Just because you're terrible doesn't mean you get to bring everyone else down

oh gamma's taking multiple shots. i feel better now lol.

Exactly what does calling people terrible accomplish again? Why not just play with that in mind in stead of making sure everyone knows you think X is trash at the game? Are you the king of mafia? because we need to work as a team instead of degrading multiple people before we get into the actual game.

I can't say exactly what prompted this concern but I'm very concerned Havo might hammer the cop on accident for example

This literally made me LOL.

Don't put the cop at L-1 early game and you won't have to worry about it.

DON'T REMIND ME OF THIS GAME EITHER HAVO SWEET JESUS

[MariaR]

I think KTS last page has been genuine as fuck. Could be wrong

[MariaR]

god Luca's gonna come in and scream
"HEDGE HEDGE HEDGE GIVE A CLEAR ANSWER"
again just you wait

[MariaR]

mine

[MariaR]

FUCK YOU NSG

[MariaR]

....I-I mean I love my mod

[MariaR]

Ausuka
brassherald
Mumble
katherine
Luca Blight
implosion
tring the people not in this list

[MariaR]

UNVOTE:
that wagon speed is a no no

[MariaR]

Plus that last post wasn't...awful

I somewhat want to vote in aus/Luca/impo
I get cold feet when I wanna place a vote though I'm gonna assume that's cause it's 6am and for some reason I'm on a mafia site

[MariaR]

Plus that last post wasn't...awful

I somewhat want to vote in aus/Luca/impo
I get cold feet when I wanna place a vote though I'm gonna assume that's cause it's 6am and for some reason I'm on a mafia site

So, which of these three is your biggest scumread, if you want to vote them?

An interesting question to ask someone you scumread I don't think my answer would really influence your state of mind. I want to vote impo because Aus engage with me made them less scummy then impo for me. Normally this is the part where I'd explain why I sr impo but ask me again at a later time frame cause rn I don't feel like it

[MariaR]

I'd like to think I'm better scum player then to lead you on the correct path lucky for you I'm not!
You seem like regardless of my answer nothing would've changed despite you saying otherwise. I don't feel like you're trying to sort me compared to a few other people who sr me

[MariaR]

Also, I don't scumread Luca.
I'd still vote him though

[MariaR]

You say that like "townie" has a bassline. It doesn't. I'd vote Luca for reasons I won't go into (this isn't because I'm lazy I just won't go into those reasons) if you find that "scummy" by all means keep at it. Being Towny and Scummy mean dif things to each person playwise although if you think on the "basics" I don't think you'll like me that much.

[MariaR]

For example common traits some people say mafia do such as "Lying manipulation etc" doesn't mean they can't come from town either it's the reasons behind said actions you gotta look for. This is me once again going into mafia theory and taking away from the game so I'll stop on that unless engaged on the topic la la la
VOTE: Impo

[MariaR]

VOTE: aus
568 feels legit

[MariaR]

VOTE: Luca
Mumble=Policy lynch/Lynchbait don't do it I don't think scum Mumble types in the things they're doing as scum and go "oh this is fine"

[MariaR]

I think your scum didn't before did a re read felt good voting you.
All done

[MariaR]

I think your scum didn't before did a re read felt good voting you.
All done

What makes you think I'm scum?

I think most of your sorting doesn't feel real your asking questions but I see no answers
You're at point A but you can't reach point B your thought progression doesn't feel real

[MariaR]

You asked for my reason I gave it to you.

[MariaR]

I can also simply say I feel more confident on you since I tr a lot more of the playerlist

[MariaR]

I understand what you're saying I do. I can say "that's easy to give as scum"
I can go back and look at posts but it's just an overall feel I get from you it's nothing I can really pinpoint
your thoughts just don't really feel real

[MariaR]

@MariaR; What was your reasoning for voting me in 584?

uhhhh forget pretty sure it was along the lines of "Well impo is town so let's move onto the next biggest scumread!"

[MariaR]

@MariaR; What was your reasoning for voting me in 584?

uhhhh forget pretty sure it was along the lines of "Well impo is town so let's move onto the next biggest scumread!"

Well yeah but why did you scumread me when I'm pretty sure we talked through all your points before that? Presumably you had more but you never told anyone about them.

We talked through the points but that doesn't mean my scumread went away you just brought up logic or something I couldn't fight back again cause a few points you were correct on so I dropped it. I'm told I have this issue of dragging things out too much or I keep going in circles with my argument so I'm trying to not clutter the thread and just drop it if it looks like it's going no where because I feel we were just in a spot with 2 different opinions/outlooks

[MariaR]

I am so annoyed rn

[MariaR]

VOTE: Aus
This Luca or maybe Ced
Havo tr isn't as strong as before but don't wanan lynch zzz

[MariaR]

"I won't tr ate i'm better then that I learned from my mistakes!"
*trs ate post and switches vote*
mother FUCKER

[MariaR]

Scum impo doesn't agree with my logic on Katherine imo he buddied a lot of posting and a few was on Kath.
Doesn't feel like SvS

[MariaR]

Cedrick
Ausuka
Hopkirk
Havo
Luca Blight

updated
list of who's not in lock town

[MariaR]

Maria why have you locktowned gamma and katherine?

Explained Kath
Gamma is meta haven't read him wrong once plus a few posts in this game just don't feel like something scum gamma would make he's prob my top tr now that kts died

[MariaR]

I agree scum are less likely to have bussed here, purely because of how tight the lynch was, and also because I claimed an unkillable pr - I'm sure scum would have loved to have offed me D1. implosion was also a pr we must remember.

If scum were on implosion it will have been one of the first on it imo.

Ironically your pr is more likely in the hands of scum then it is town
but I can just assume you're fake claiming and you're this super strong town pr for now *shrug*

[MariaR]

I agree scum are less likely to have bussed here, purely because of how tight the lynch was, and also because I claimed an unkillable pr - I'm sure scum would have loved to have offed me D1. implosion was also a pr we must remember.

If scum were on implosion it will have been one of the first on it imo.

Ironically your pr is more likely in the hands of scum then it is town

but I can just assume you're fake claiming and you're this super strong town pr for now *shrug*

Let me get this straight - are you saying commuter is more likely to be a scum role than a town one?

unlimited? Yes

[MariaR]

I don't think Luca should take his claim back
I also don't think we should lynch him for now even if I think he could be scum.

[MariaR]

Like if we all just pretend that bussing doesn't exist and nobody would bus a buddy (especially one who didn't seem that into the game) we're probably going to end up off-track.

Immediate resistance to my idea already. I'm not saying it doesn't exist. I'm saying there's no need for it in that particular situation on a claimed PR that close to lynch.

Killing an unkillable pr is a really bad mislynch.

@Maria: Why isn't Luca/Hopkirk locktown. Why is Tchill.

Why do you think Luca/Hop should be lock town? I haven't seen anything that should make me tr those players
Tchills play reminds me of the game I linked before and I don't think he has strong scum motivation

[MariaR]

I agree scum are less likely to have bussed here, purely because of how tight the lynch was, and also because I claimed an unkillable pr - I'm sure scum would have loved to have offed me D1. implosion was also a pr we must remember.

If scum were on implosion it will have been one of the first on it imo.

Ironically your pr is more likely in the hands of scum then it is town

but I can just assume you're fake claiming and you're this super strong town pr for now *shrug*

Let me get this straight - are you saying commuter is more likely to be a scum role than a town one?

unlimited? Yes

Tell me what you're basing this on.

Well someone who can't be nightkilled is basically someone who cannot be targeted by anything and if they so choose make it so they stay alive for good that seems really unfair for scum to not be able to deal with a player not all in anyway unless said player lets them do it
Where as if it was scum they can use that without complaint until they're the last scum and then that power is gone feels fairer

[MariaR]

Like if we all just pretend that bussing doesn't exist and nobody would bus a buddy (especially one who didn't seem that into the game) we're probably going to end up off-track.

Immediate resistance to my idea already. I'm not saying it doesn't exist. I'm saying there's no need for it in that particular situation on a claimed PR that close to lynch.

Killing an unkillable pr is a really bad mislynch.

@Maria: Why isn't Luca/Hopkirk locktown. Why is Tchill.

Why do you think Luca/Hop should be lock town? I haven't seen anything that should make me tr those players
Tchills play reminds me of the game I linked before and I don't think he has strong scum motivation

Self-bias for Hopkirk.
Wondering whether you buy the claim from Luca.

I don't buy the claim but I think it's NAI for him to fake claim it

[MariaR]

it's not automatic unless it says compulsive

[MariaR]

I agree scum are less likely to have bussed here, purely because of how tight the lynch was, and also because I claimed an unkillable pr - I'm sure scum would have loved to have offed me D1. implosion was also a pr we must remember.

If scum were on implosion it will have been one of the first on it imo.

Ironically your pr is more likely in the hands of scum then it is town

but I can just assume you're fake claiming and you're this super strong town pr for now *shrug*

Let me get this straight - are you saying commuter is more likely to be a scum role than a town one?

unlimited? Yes

Tell me what you're basing this on.

Well someone who can't be nightkilled is basically someone who cannot be targeted by anything and if they so choose make it so they stay alive for good that seems really unfair for scum to not be able to deal with a player not all in anyway unless said player lets them do it
Where as if it was scum they can use that without complaint until they're the last scum and then that power is gone feels fairer

This post feels like scum complaining to me -

"it isn't fair"

lol.

Surely whether or not it's 'fair' depends on what other roles are in the game - we already know Mafia had a strongman which is a decent role.

I mean I am complaining you're not wrong.
I feel like a full commuter on town is shitty game design

[MariaR]

I feel like a full commuter on town is shitty game design

only one who has a right to complain about full commuter for town would be scum. Town shouldn't complain about that.

guess I'm scum then!

[MariaR]

That’s actually a good point gamma.

VOTE: tchill

ew

[MariaR]

I agree scum are less likely to have bussed here, purely because of how tight the lynch was, and also because I claimed an unkillable pr - I'm sure scum would have loved to have offed me D1. implosion was also a pr we must remember.

If scum were on implosion it will have been one of the first on it imo.

Ironically your pr is more likely in the hands of scum then it is town
but I can just assume you're fake claiming and you're this super strong town pr for now *shrug*

Going back to this. In the completed games mafia had unlimited commuter once. Town had it at least 4 if we are going way back and 2/3 if we are just going back to the games on the link I provided earlier.

So does that change your opinion at all?

Not really I still think he's fake claiming but he's not the lynch today so I don't think this is really a road we should go down

[MariaR]

These are all factors that matter on who the scum team is
what role the scum team have
and how they think the gamestate is going
All stuff we don't have and I think is dumb to think on tbh

[MariaR]

why did mumble claim in the first place

[MariaR]

me when I forgot obv lynchbait got to L-1
whoops

[MariaR]

no he's just being stoopid
gamma obv town

[MariaR]

I sr that whole wagon minus gamma so take your pick

[MariaR]

No? couldn't town have had the same wavelength of thought?

Possible, but unlikely.

I sr that whole wagon minus gamma so take your pick

Why minus gamma?

now who needs to read the game

Maria why have you locktowned gamma and katherine?

Explained Kath
Gamma is meta haven't read him wrong once plus a few posts in this game just don't feel like something scum gamma would make he's prob my top tr now that kts died

[MariaR]

So I have a stuuuuuupid theory. So there's actually a thread in mafia discussion called something like "ethics of scumplay". Basically the point of it is to argue whether questionable things can be excused in the name of scumplay such as toxicity. Here's the application: what if only Cedrick got warned for being toxic because KTS is scum and has that leeway to behave however he wants?

like this for one
I never see scum gamma make this up

[MariaR]

plenty more but that's an example

[MariaR]

So I have a stuuuuuupid theory. So there's actually a thread in mafia discussion called something like "ethics of scumplay". Basically the point of it is to argue whether questionable things can be excused in the name of scumplay such as toxicity. Here's the application: what if only Cedrick got warned for being toxic because KTS is scum and has that leeway to behave however he wants?

like this for one
I never see scum gamma make this up

What part of his post is made up? Why would town gamma make up something but scum gamma not?

It's not made up

[MariaR]

I think he really believed that and not scum that was like "oh I can trick town with this"

[MariaR]

These are all factors that matter on who the scum team is
what role the scum team have
and how they think the gamestate is going
All stuff we don't have and I think is dumb to think on tbh

so basically we shouldn't speculate on pretty much anything at all? We know KTS was killed. Where's the speculation there?

NKA is shit

[MariaR]

by all means try your best

[MariaR]

No? couldn't town have had the same wavelength of thought?

Possible, but unlikely.

I sr that whole wagon minus gamma so take your pick

Why minus gamma?

now who needs to read the game

Maria why have you locktowned gamma and katherine?

Explained Kath
Gamma is meta haven't read him wrong once plus a few posts in this game just don't feel like something scum gamma would make he's prob my top tr now that kts died

I still never found the post where you explain your katherine read.

Allow me to explain again then.
Impo agreed with my logic and early buddied me on my Katherine read I don't think that's how a partner busses someone they're with it seems like a useless bus with impo wouldn't be getting a lot of credit for it.

[MariaR]

Me killing the guy who has me as a hard tr.
Do tell.

[MariaR]

Where did he have me as scum?
Also if you think I'd kill KTS out of fear you're incorrect he seems quite easy to pocket.
This goes into self meta on my scumgame but meh useless talk and a useless argument by you but so be it

[MariaR]

Looking at my old list I do feel really confident in my trs I think I'll only vote in my list for the rest of the game unless given good reason otherwise

[MariaR]

Then again I might get lynched after people ml Tchi so eh.

[MariaR]

so I don't think the "purge the Luca wagon!" attitude makes any sense coming from her.

Never said this.

[MariaR]

VOTE: katherine

maria's reasoning is solid. Also dislike tchill's 41. Also skeptical of cedrick's opening.

so the scumteam of me kath/impo thought
"Oh let's make a scumcase on kath and buss within the first 50 posts"
You gotta see how that logic is a...yeah

[MariaR]

Like the only thing that gamma has done that is ping worthy is him not calling me out for saying "I can read him 100%" (he normally srs me for that) but besides that he's still in top tier town.
I don't get your gamma sr at all or why a gamma/havo team makes sense to you
Pedit: Yeah Luca's "role" is more then likely scum
still think he's fake claiming

[MariaR]

If my plan was to distance I wouldn't bring it up as my first defense I'd let someone else do it for me. You should know my scum game is better than this. Although I did expect to come under heat after that flip so meh. Imagine if I didn't fall for an ate post I'd be in "lock town" too *eye roll*

[MariaR]

if I was scum with this playerlist I feel like it'd be the easiest win of my life considering a few tactics I wanted to try. Oh well another day.
Anyway I'm talking to scum anyway so that's fine and dandy
Pedit: That's a risk you're suppose to take bringing it up yourself as scum makes it look like you planned it and ruins all credit for said action duh.

[MariaR]

I've explained it about 3 times and I'm pretty sure you're playing dumb now

[MariaR]

Anything else before I head off to my league game pal~

[MariaR]

Your overall playstyle is overly defensive for my taste I think your reads are opportunistic and I don't think you believe half the stuff you're saying.
On top of all that in my list of people I can point out at least one post I've seen from them that I can go "yeah that's towny" you? Nothing.

[MariaR]

Better? Good now back to my game

[MariaR]

if I was scum with this playerlist I feel like it'd be the easiest win of my life considering a few tactics I wanted to try. Oh well another day.
Anyway I'm talking to scum anyway so that's fine and dandy
Pedit: That's a risk you're suppose to take bringing it up yourself as scum makes it look like you planned it and ruins all credit for said action duh.

Well this player list lynched scum day 1. I'd say it's a decent player list.

Not what I was basing my logic off of not interesting way to look at it

[MariaR]

Tchi would be way more survivlistic as scum he's drawing too much attention to himself.
He's town

[MariaR]

Like the only thing that gamma has done that is ping worthy is him not calling me out for saying "I can read him 100%" (he normally srs me for that) but besides that he's still in top tier town.
I don't get your gamma sr at all or why a gamma/havo team makes sense to you
Pedit: Yeah Luca's "role" is more then likely scum
still think he's fake claiming

I don't SR you for saying you can 100% read me, that was only once I recall (Mini 1850), in further instances where you say that I generally call out instances where you were wrong, this time I chose not to cos a) didn't want to beat a dead horse, b) I felt like me having to explain that would only do harm to myself, and c) I felt like it would be nice to be mutual townreads for once because I had been townreading you before it
And why do you think Luca would fakeclaim in the instance they did?

I would fake claim that if I was a cop or some shit

[MariaR]

Like the only thing that gamma has done that is ping worthy is him not calling me out for saying "I can read him 100%" (he normally srs me for that) but besides that he's still in top tier town.
I don't get your gamma sr at all or why a gamma/havo team makes sense to you
Pedit: Yeah Luca's "role" is more then likely scum
still think he's fake claiming

I don't SR you for saying you can 100% read me, that was only once I recall (Mini 1850), in further instances where you say that I generally call out instances where you were wrong, this time I chose not to cos a) didn't want to beat a dead horse, b) I felt like me having to explain that would only do harm to myself, and c) I felt like it would be nice to be mutual townreads for once because I had been townreading you before it
And why do you think Luca would fakeclaim in the instance they did?

I would fake claim that if I was a cop or some shit

that's not a good thing to announce

*shrug*

[MariaR]

guess I slipped I'm not cop
whoops

[MariaR]

Can we lynch in me and Aus? Leave Kath/Tchi out of it ty

[MariaR]

Can we lynch in me and Aus? Leave Kath/Tchi out of it ty

Why are you arguing to lynch yourself

*shrug* Idm if I get lynched or not I'm lynchbait as town so I'm used to coming under pressure it's no big deal to me. I rather we lynch in my and my top sr though cause if I get lynched Aus is next and that nails a scum so works for me ^_~

[MariaR]

Can we lynch in me and Aus? Leave Kath/Tchi out of it ty

Why are you arguing to lynch yourself

*shrug* Idm if I get lynched or not I'm lynchbait as town so I'm used to coming under pressure it's no big deal to me. I rather we lynch in my and my top sr though cause if I get lynched Aus is next and that nails a scum so works for me ^_~

but you dont necesarrily think its aus and katherine?

katherine is town imo so no

[MariaR]

mu is fun from time to time

[MariaR]

mu is fun from time to time

You play there?

under Maki ye

[MariaR]

I just want people to not lynch Tchi or Kath after I die and look outside that because I think they're very incorrect if I have to explain why they're town again I will

[MariaR]

Because this is heading into 3 mls and that is one big no no that I disagree with

[MariaR]

The fact everyone has this same lynch pool should be a giant red sign and maybe I'm blind but considering I have big tr's on 2/3 of the lynch pool minus myself this is a big "uh oh this is gonna go bad"
So go on and lynch me if it will wake everyone up and say "hey look you're incorrect focus else where"

Hell maybe not even Auska is scum because if everyone is agreeing with the same lynch pool it means scum are content with said lynch pool
VOTE: Havo
I'll vote here for now
This ced maybe Luca aus for scum

[MariaR]

I've come to terms that whenever I flip town it's likely I'ma get lynched and when I flip scum it's likely I'm gonna win because for some reason I can get a whole playlist to tr me when I'm scum but not when I'm town. It's kinda strange if you think about it it's like I should try and make my scum meta my town meta but wouldn't that get me sr every game? I see the main reasons for scum me was I wasn't on my partners wagomn when I could've just stayed on it and gained massive towncred instead you're saying I randomly switched and got put into hot water and killed one of the people tring me? That logic doesn't add up in any sense of the way.

[MariaR]

Like I get I'm not the most "persuasive" of the group but I'm really confident in Tchi and Gamma town and you can blame it on me if we lose because of it the Kath tr isn't as strong but it feels correct to me.

That's my rant for the day

[MariaR]

Maria. Earlier you said you don’t like meta yet you admit your town read on tchill is meta based. So why if you hate it are you using it here?

My read isn't meta based

[MariaR]

The fact everyone has this same lynch pool should be a giant red sign and maybe I'm blind but considering I have big tr's on 2/3 of the lynch pool minus myself this is a big "uh oh this is gonna go bad"
So go on and lynch me if it will wake everyone up and say "hey look you're incorrect focus else where"

Hell maybe not even Auska is scum because if everyone is agreeing with the same lynch pool it means scum are content with said lynch pool
VOTE: Havo
I'll vote here for now
This ced maybe Luca aus for scum

Or maybe it means that lynch pool is correct.

So basically by switching your vote, you’re now saying you have no idea who scum is?
After you were begging for town to vote for you or Ausuka.
Well, that’s what town started doing. You should be happy instead of revolting.

It's never that easy. And considering I tr 2 of the players in said lynch pool no. I wasn't begging anyone it was a suggestion and then I re thought my suggestion people rethink sometimes it happens.

[MariaR]

Tchi would be way more survivlistic as scum he's drawing too much attention to himself.
He's town

He would care more about his lynching/keep track of it too he thought he was at L-1 and still asking for other lynches instead of trying to stop his own

[MariaR]

Using meta shouldn't be the main reason you tr someone imo. Using it as a side advantage is fine but just tring someone over meta is meh yeah

[MariaR]

The fact everyone has this same lynch pool should be a giant red sign and maybe I'm blind but considering I have big tr's on 2/3 of the lynch pool minus myself this is a big "uh oh this is gonna go bad"
So go on and lynch me if it will wake everyone up and say "hey look you're incorrect focus else where"

Hell maybe not even Auska is scum because if everyone is agreeing with the same lynch pool it means scum are content with said lynch pool
VOTE: Havo
I'll vote here for now
This ced maybe Luca aus for scum

Or maybe it means that lynch pool is correct.

So basically by switching your vote, you’re now saying you have no idea who scum is?
After you were begging for town to vote for you or Ausuka.
Well, that’s what town started doing. You should be happy instead of revolting.

It's never that easy. And considering I tr 2 of the players in said lynch pool no. I wasn't begging anyone it was a suggestion and then I re thought my suggestion people rethink sometimes it happens.

what about ackhams razor? or whatever its called.

oh do not start with that

[MariaR]

Maria. Earlier you said you don’t like meta yet you admit your town read on tchill is meta based. So why if you hate it are you using it here?

She doesn't? She also townreads me off of meta

She said earlier this game she hates meta so what do you mean she doesn’t?

I think she hates people trying to read

meta read her*
goddamnit

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[MariaR]

so is no one gonna link a tchill towngame?

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=74256
I don't like meta but if it suits you bud

This implies she doesn’t like people using meta to read somebody.

kts was going to use just meta to get a read on the guy and yes I do dislike that

[MariaR]

The fact people are acting like people who were on the Luca/Impo wagon is the dif between scum/town has made me laugh twice now

[MariaR]

so is no one gonna link a tchill towngame?

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=74256
I don't like meta but if it suits you bud

This implies she doesn’t like people using meta to read somebody.

kts was going to use just meta to get a read on the guy and yes I do dislike that

Kts already had a read on him. He was going to use meta to help confirm if his read was right. That’s the appropriate use of it imo.

I agree but I didn't feel like that's what he was doing at the time

[MariaR]

a few of us have 200+ post... Katherine has 12 but we ABSOLUTELY can't scum read him. laughable.

Look if im scum i want my slot and katherine in here till lylo. Thats for sure.

So look at who's advocating against those lynches and ask yourself why that's town motivated.

Mhm this is actually some strong ass logic and I'd love to hear Maria's response

what am I responding too?

[MariaR]

Considering it's nowhere close to lylo and I haven't pushed Katherine that's just a baseless assumption with no logic behind it. It's not like I had them as "null could be scum" it's "LOCKTOWN" if I started pushing them near lylo you could bring that up. But here you can't

[MariaR]

I tr the slot I don't really give a fuck what someones number of posts are that's not AI it's the actions that are. And quite frankly I haven't seen anything that points to scum Kath they're just in this "poe" and it's easy to push that because they're a lurker slot it's basically what everyone did to mumble before he claimed

[MariaR]

Sorry do I need to explain things slower for you Tchi? Considering all you seemingly know how to post is sarcastic posts I can do that for you.

[MariaR]

Pretty sure I was under attention as one of the main suspects I call that attention.
My reasons are good enough compared to the bs half the thread is saying.

[MariaR]

VC 2.3

votes

Ausuka

(1): MariaR

Tchill13

(3): Luca Blight, Gamma Emerald, Cedrick

katherine

(1): Tchill13

MariaR

(2): Hopkirk, Ausuka

Not Voting

(4): Creature, Havo, Mumble, katherine

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch

The day 2 deadline is in

: (expired on 2018-04-01 12:33:59)

Mod Notes

:
If you notice an error in the votecount please let me know.

Can we lynch in me and Aus? Leave Kath/Tchi out of it ty

Why even mention katherine? i was the only person voting him here? Did you expect me to hop on Ausuka after that statement and tr yo get a push there?

You only had 2 votes at the time you stated it. Not even halfway to being lynched.

Because I saw the pool being like always "Me Aus Kath you" and I dislike 2 of those

[MariaR]

Vanilla townie~

[MariaR]

You know what to do!

[MariaR]

Thanks buddy

[MariaR]

hammer whenever friends

[MariaR]

o
well fudge

[MariaR]

It's prob best lynching me considering in the event we lynch wrong I'll get lynched next.

[MariaR]

This is the part where I would normally self vote but I gave up my little self vote meta bit ago.

[MariaR]

Stahp
Maria is town

How?

She didn't really give an answer to the fact that she's hard defending the two slots that would help scum the most in lylo.

Maybe you're right maybe you're wrong but I can't help that I townread said slots my man.

[MariaR]

another game I can vig boomy in?
This just got better

[MariaR]

VOTE: Gamma
Wow my read has suddenly changed for no reason what so ever

[MariaR]

VOTE: Havo
Finger slipped

[MariaR]

I'll lynch luca over tchi but much rather vote havo

Tchi isn't getting lynched he's town ffs

[MariaR]

I'll lynch luca over tchi but much rather vote havo

Havo

isn't getting lynched he's town ffs

Fixed your post for ya.

you win this round

[MariaR]

GO AWAY GAMMA

[MariaR]

i cant believe scum actually bussed their stron pr when they didnt have to DAY ONE LOL.

Who's not shocked? M E
lol gg town and great job curse you flavor for killing me