Micro 798 - Splatoon Mafia - Game Over

[Ausuka]

lycanfire wagon is meh, nothing AI.
your hydra might be scum though.
VOTE: Vartsun

[skitter30]

But I mean, are you going to even look at the wagon that was placed on you?

I was getting some gut townpings from HS's at post but I didn't know where it stemmed from, but after you said this I realized what was prompting that vibe.

He just like .... didn't care about the page 1 L-2 wagon on him, and didn't like even react or comment to it at all. I feel like scum would have had *some* sort of reaction to that.

Like that post just feels very carefree to me.

[Vartsun]

lycanfire wagon is meh, nothing AI.
your hydra might be scum though.
VOTE: Vartsun

Because...?

Also, why not try and engage with

Lycanfire

?

But I mean, are you going to even look at the wagon that was placed on you?

I was getting some gut townpings from HS's at post but I didn't know where it stemmed from, but after you said this I realized what was prompting that vibe.

He just like .... didn't care about the page 1 L-2 wagon on him, and didn't like even react or comment to it at all. I feel like scum would have had *some* sort of reaction to that.

Like that post just feels very carefree to me.

I want to hear him respond to us.

Also,

we/Vartsun

just went to L-2, letting everyone know that.

~ Taly

[Ausuka]

lycanfire wagon is meh, nothing AI.
your hydra might be scum though.
VOTE: Vartsun

Because...?

gut? it feels like you're trying to look protown by asking a range of questions that lead to nothing.

[doomfeathers]

Why are you good with your vote for now?

He's doing little and hasn't really posted anything relevant to the game.

Lol, Mylo is a nickname, ninja came out of nowhere tbh and 13 is my lucky number. I use it on almost every site I'm on.


Anyway, nice to see this has started! I haven't played Splatoon much, but the few times I have I enjoyed it!

Where's your vote?

An excellent question.

Join the

Mylo

vote and you won't think everyone is so weird?

Why?

1)

If you're unsure of the playerlist, you could do something to gauge for a reaction.

2)

I was gauging to see how you'd feel about jumping on a wagon this early in the game.

3)

I like that you questioned me.

1. Good advice, but there are plenty of reactions. I'm just watching them for now. RVS has taken a while, but it has been pretty fruitful.
2. It already had three voters, so I figured that was good enough. (And then later I realized that would have been L1, so my not voting possibly saved the day. Good for me.)
3. Well, thanks.

But I mean, are you going to even look at the wagon that was placed on you?

I was getting some gut townpings from HS's at post but I didn't know where it stemmed from, but after you said this I realized what was prompting that vibe.

He just like .... didn't care about the page 1 L-2 wagon on him, and didn't like even react or comment to it at all. I feel like scum would have had *some* sort of reaction to that.

Like that post just feels very carefree to me.

We're barely out of RVS. Is there any real danger of being lynched?

lycanfire wagon is meh, nothing AI.
your hydra might be scum though.
VOTE: Vartsun

Because...?

gut? it feels like you're trying to look protown by asking a range of questions that lead to nothing.

Nah, I think he's genuine. I townlean Vartsun.

Unofficial votecount:
Vartsun: Ausuka, Lycanfire, Human Sequencer
Human Sequencer: Skitter, Voyc
Myloninja: Vartsun
doomfeathers: brassherald
Lycanfire: doomfeathers

Other things I've noticed:
Voyc hasn't received nearly enough attention.
Ausuka switches votes a LOT.

[doomfeathers]

Ausuka leans town too. Everyone else is still suspicious, including Mylo and Human Sequencer.

[Myloninja13]

I'm liking everyone a bit so far, although particularly doomfeathers and vartsun for actually sticking out and asking questions.

VOTE: Brassherald because he's only made one post so far. If I could double vote, this would also go to Voyc.

[Voyc]

Ausuka leans town too.

Why do you think so?

[Lycanfire]

Who is this? XD I'm pretty serious about getting worthwhile discussion going.

I feel like after correctly identifying Varsoon as a killing role day 1 of Darkest Dungeon
and basically having to run the scumteam up until he vigged me on night 3, you shouldn't have to ask who I am if Varsoon thought sorting me early was at all a consideration today.

What kinds if discussion do you want to have?

[Human Sequencer]

@vartsun
i looked at it
i laughed at it
i conquered
is that how the saying goes

doomfeathers' reads on mylo and me feel like they were born from genuine confusion and mystique about the game state and his desire to move the game state forward scream town to me. I don't think it's being faked (it's possible, but I doubt it)

it's north mentioning that out of the players not participating too much in the thread at that point (hs, mylo, voyc, brassherald, lycanfire) he specifically mentions hs and mylo as suspicious and says that voyc needs more attention without commenting on the other two at all
so oh the odd chance doom flips scum i think lycanfire and brass herald are a good place to look for second

32 is pretty questionable
I'd like for you to participate a little more in the rest of the thread voyc

[Human Sequencer]

lycanfire wagon is meh, nothing AI.
your hydra might be scum though.
VOTE: Vartsun

Because...?

gut? it feels like you're trying to look protown by asking a range of questions that lead to nothing.

i don't like this post

[Vartsun]

Who is this? XD I'm pretty serious about getting worthwhile discussion going.

I feel like after correctly identifying Varsoon as a killing role day 1 of Darkest Dungeon
and basically having to run the scumteam up until he vigged me on night 3, you shouldn't have to ask who I am if Varsoon thought sorting me early was at all a consideration today.

Hey, I won that game for our team, I think? Right? Didn't I kick ass in that game?
I have terrible memory when it comes to mafia, though, so I don't actually remember you much besides that your username looks familiar.
Sorry.

Also, Ausuka thinks that we're laying down a 'range' of questions when it's been what's pretty run of the mill for actual game engagement.
I find a lot of things to be problematic with this assessment.
One, it discourages players from engaging by actively putting critique that engagement can be scumread enough to put someone at L-2.
Two, it's legitimately a garbage reason to push a scumread on someone, because the criticism of 'doing busy work' or 'asking questions that lead nowhere' is laughable. That's legitimately not a strategy I employ as either alignment. As town, talking points allow for a better range of engagement with a slot and that helps me get reads. As scum, points of discussion allow you to control the game's momentum and lend credibility to your rationale for being on mislynches. So it's just outright bad play, AS EITHER ALIGNMENT, to 'do busy work'. As Ausuka has not pointed out the way in which they see our questions ACTUALLY lead nowhere, and has failed to illustrate how that's even SCUM PLAY instead of SHIT PLAY, it's a garbage criticism.

Aaaaand you know who manufactures criticisms to push through a lynch?
Probably the same person who dodges our question about personal motivation with a sweeping 'this is good for the gamestate' answer!

DING DING DING
It's scum.

VOTE: Ausuka

-V

[Vartsun]

lycanfire wagon is meh, nothing AI.
your hydra might be scum though.
VOTE: Vartsun

Because...?

gut? it feels like you're trying to look protown by asking a range of questions that lead to nothing.

I disagree with this assessment; both the reasoning and the approach behind it.

1)

My questions and responses always have a purpose behind them, it's of course, to game solve and get people's ideas and discussion put forth.

2)

I'm asking again, what are your thoughts on the votes on

Lycanfire

? You seem pretty content to put

me/Varsoon

at L-2 off gut.

I don't like that you dodged my question by saying this hydra could be scum, and throwing a vote without gauging to understand or question first.

But I mean, are you going to even look at the wagon that was placed on you?

I was getting some gut townpings from HS's at post but I didn't know where it stemmed from, but after you said this I realized what was prompting that vibe.

He just like .... didn't care about the page 1 L-2 wagon on him, and didn't like even react or comment to it at all. I feel like scum would have had *some* sort of reaction to that.

Like that post just feels very carefree to me.

Ehhh... Too early to say. Putting him to L-2 happened quickly, even for RVS. Plus, care-level for wagon, even on oneself, is not often AI.

Why are you good with your vote for now?

He's doing little and hasn't really posted anything relevant to the game.

Lol, Mylo is a nickname, ninja came out of nowhere tbh and 13 is my lucky number. I use it on almost every site I'm on.


Anyway, nice to see this has started! I haven't played Splatoon much, but the few times I have I enjoyed it!

Where's your vote?

An excellent question.

Talk to me about

Human Sequencer

.

Plus, how is

Ausuka

town in your eyes?

I'm liking everyone a bit so far, although particularly doomfeathers and vartsun for actually sticking out and asking questions.

VOTE: Brassherald because he's only made one post so far. If I could double vote, this would also go to Voyc.

Do you have any questions to ask?

@vartsun
i looked at it
i laughed at it
i conquered
is that how the saying goes

._.

doomfeathers' reads on mylo and me feel like they were born from genuine confusion and mystique about the game state and his desire to move the game state forward scream town to me. I don't think it's being faked (it's possible, but I doubt it)

it's north mentioning that out of the players not participating too much in the thread at that point (hs, mylo, voyc, brassherald, lycanfire) he specifically mentions hs and mylo as suspicious and says that voyc needs more attention without commenting on the other two at all
so oh the odd chance doom flips scum i think lycanfire and brass herald are a good place to look for second

32 is pretty questionable
I'd like for you to participate a little more in the rest of the thread voyc

Not even 40 posts and we have a dichotomy. You say

doomfeathers

is town, but you're looking at a reality where he flips scum, and are already placing 2 potential partners here.

...I don't get the thought process behind this.

I'm assuming you don't see a similarity in

doomfeathers'

approach to this game, to

mine/Varsoon's

approach, as what

Mylo

may see. Is your vote on

Varsoon/I

serious?

Explain how 32 is questionable.

~ Taly

[Human Sequencer]

i look at these wall posts and my eyes roll back into my skull

Not even 40 posts and we have a dichotomy. You say doomfeathers is town, but you're looking at a reality where he flips scum, and are already placing 2 potential partners here.

i thought i was pretty fuckin straightforward in my post
i said i think he's town
i said if he flips scum (this other thing) is worth considering
(this other thing) is the kind of thing i might forget or not pick up on again whilst rereading the thread in a reality where doom flips scum if i didn't make note of it in post form
so i made note of it in post form

vartsun vote isn't particularly serious

if i had more to say about 32 i would have said it

[Human Sequencer]

i can kind of see ausuka scum but i'm not entirely confident yet

VOTE: ausuka
might jump off down the line

[Vartsun]

Ugh yeah man fuck READING in a FORUM game
am i rite?

-V

[Vartsun]

Have some passion in your push.
"Might jump off down the line" is the most pathetic thing I've read on mafiascum in awhile.

-V

[Human Sequencer]

thanks man i try my best

[Human Sequencer]

point i'm trying to make is you can get your word across and be more easily understood by more people with the skill of being concise and succinct where possible

reading and writing is an investment from the reader and the writer

the more you invest into making things meaningful whilst being less verbose and visually unintuitive the less investment the reader needs to actually understand what you're saying

[Ausuka]

One, it discourages players from engaging by actively putting critique that engagement can be scumread enough to put someone at L-2.

Okay, so first of all, does anyone actually come into a game thinking, "I'm going to criticize the most active players, so everyone will be discoraged from posting!" Because I haven't ever seen it tried, and even if it was employed by scum at a certain point, I highly doubt it had any effectiveness at all.
Also, I wasn't criticizing you for simply engaging with the game. Your questions seem like they're thrown out there to look pro-town and engaged. Like when I voted HS in RVS, and you asked me why I didn't vote some other person? Like, what kind of AI response where you expecting when you asked that? I doubt you've never seen someone jumping on a RVS wagon because it starts the game faster.

Two, it's legitimately a garbage reason to push a scumread on someone

Before this post, you didn't have a scumread strong enough to even place a non-RVS vote. Why do you expect me to have a good reason to vote on post 25?

because the criticism of 'doing busy work' or 'asking questions that lead nowhere' is laughable.

I disagree, and even if that's true, it doesn't make me scum at all.

That's legitimately not a strategy I employ as either alignment.

Just because you don't do something (if I'm to take your word for it) doesn't mean nobody else does it. You've been townread by basically everyone except me so far, so if that's your strategy, it's been working out well for you.

As Ausuka has not pointed out the way in which they see our questions ACTUALLY lead nowhere, and has failed to illustrate how that's even SCUM PLAY instead of SHIT PLAY, it's a garbage criticism.

You know, you could just, like, ask for examples, if you need specific ones. I've already talked about post 11, and post 24 was what made me want to vote for you; the post where your slot demands Mylo puts an RVS vote, which is "protown" but in practice accomplishes very little at that point, and the part where Taly asks me for my thoughts on Lycan, who has only RVS shitposted at that point.

Aaaaand you know who manufactures criticisms to push through a lynch?

Yeah, because that's what I'm doing. Pushing through a lynch. On page 2.

Probably the same person who dodges our question about personal motivation with a sweeping 'this is good for the gamestate' answer!

How was it dodging your question? That was literally the most literal and to-the-point answer I could possibly give. It was post 11. Why should I have reads that make me take the gamestate in some direction? Why shouldn't I put a vote onto a wagon in the hopes of getting something started in that way? How does doing this make me scummy, at all?

[Ausuka]

lycanfire wagon is meh, nothing AI.
your hydra might be scum though.
VOTE: Vartsun

Because...?

gut? it feels like you're trying to look protown by asking a range of questions that lead to nothing.

I disagree with this assessment; both the reasoning and the approach behind it.

1)

My questions and responses always have a purpose behind them, it's of course, to game solve and get people's ideas and discussion put forth.

I mean, sure, I could see your posts coming from a townie who's really enthusiastic about activity and voting. But the fact that you were responding and talking about so much stuff, even things like HS not bothering to respond to a RVS wagon and Mylo's lack of rvs vote, which are just completely null actions, makes you think you're more likely scum, trying to gather townreads by being active and protown, than anyone else in the playerlist.

2)

I'm asking again, what are your thoughts on the votes on

Lycanfire

?

I've told you once, and I'll tell you again; Lycanfire has done nothing indicative of alignment, and I don't care about the votes on him.

You seem pretty content to put

me/Varsoon

at L-2 off gut.

Yeah, that's true. I am very willing to do so. I'm not sure how this is relevant to anything though.

I don't like that you dodged my question by saying this hydra could be scum, and throwing a vote without gauging to understand or question first.

What question did I dodge? I said that Lycanfire is null, and I said that you are now a scumlean. That is answering your questions. And I am trying to understand, I just didn't ask a ton of questions upfront, I decided to start a push instead, since it's page 2 and nothing had really happened up to that point. Besides, what could you have said if I asked questions? You couldn't have disproven the notion that your motivation was to look pro-town, nor could you have answered to gut.

[Myloninja13]

I think I'm town leaning Ausuka basically just off her calm nature in a line of suspicion. Few players do that, and much less scum players do that.

[brassherald]

I'm here, I had to deal with a family emergency last night.

Doom looks like town to me so UNVOTE:

I definitely need to get aVC before I cast a vote in other places but Mylo in 46 seems to be hedging his bets on Ausuka, just enough to look like a read but also wiggle room leading off with "I think I'm town leaning". Like what the hell does that mean? It means no real read.

[Vartsun]

I think I'm town leaning Ausuka basically just off her calm nature in a line of suspicion. Few players do that, and much less scum players do that.

It's actually far more likely to come from scum than town.
Consider that we're two pages in and I've levied heavy criticisms on the slot.
As scum, not being able to defend there could lead to a very critical day 1 lynch that'd likely turn the game so hard in town's favor that scum would lose.

Not interested in responding point-by-point to Assucka, though. Folks were scoffing at walls already and getting mired down in it isn't going to do the gamestate any favors.
I will say that their counterpoints don't do anything to assuage my reads there, nor does their putting slots within L-2 range and claiming they're not pushing lynches.

-V

[brassherald]

VOTE: Mylo

I decided to count on my own, and I'm sure this is neither hammer nor L-1. I was phone posting earlier and the Ausuka v. Vorpal Blade hydra is still "meh" to me.