Product Placement Mafia (Game over!)

[Brian Skies]

I'll just make my own votecounts.

[Brian Skies]

the game will begin when the market decides

i am the market

You need more time to strategize with your buddies or something?

[Brian Skies]

bruh I'm tryna see what's in ur otha tabs and I ain't seein' shit

Friends! My first town read!

[Brian Skies]

Let's overthrow the market and instill me as the new Votecount Overlord.

VOTE: Vecna

[Brian Skies]

Did you watch it?

[Brian Skies]

Subscribe: Firebringer

[Brian Skies]

I'm more of an Orange Soda or Root Beer kind of person.

[Brian Skies]

My master ploy will have to be put on hold.

VOTE: Cheeky

Mark: Vecna

[Brian Skies]

Brian your empty opportunistic jump on is noted.

I'm just shamelessly sheeping my townread in hopes he can help me in my attempts to usurp Vecna from his unbridled position of authority. Don't mind me.

[Brian Skies]

This wagon is dumb

Cheeky is town

Don’t be confused by her awkward her try hard play

Okay. Who do you think we should have recalled instead?

[Brian Skies]

UNVOTE: Cheeky

NSG is on V/LA.

@Fire: Is there a particular reason you could go for Gammagooey?

[Brian Skies]

Also can someone explain why this FOS thingy is scum?

What FOS thingy?

[Brian Skies]

UNVOTE: Cheeky

NSG is on V/LA.

@Fire: Is there a particular reason you could go for Gammagooey?

why'd you unvote?

is there any correlation between those first two lines there?

I didn't really think Cheeky was scummy. I just voted her because Gamma sheeped me for like half a minute and I wanted to sheep him back. Firebringer said she was townish and I can kinda sorta see that so I unvoted her.

There's no correlation between the two lines. I think T-Bone voted you and I wasn't interested in starting a wagon on someone that hasn't checked in yet and might not be around to defend him/herself.

[Brian Skies]

I hate Pepsi though.

[Brian Skies]

I have a tentative townread on the Penguin.

[Brian Skies]

Also can someone explain why this FOS thingy is scum?

What FOS thingy?

Penguin. It's been a while since I played with you. Remind me how to read you?

I will be using a series of word to convey my thoughts and opinions. If you read these words in the order I write them (from left to right, unless I starting writing in Japanese), you should be able to do a reasonable job of reading me.

I may also do a few rainbow reads depending on my mood.

What if I'm illiterate?

Side note, hello everyone, I am here.

Awkward. FoS.

I don't understand why you're asking about this.

[Brian Skies]

^^ roughly 9 of those are real, the rest are random.

So, which ones aren't random?

[Brian Skies]

I feel like there'd be a sample role PM for it if there was one.

[Brian Skies]

^I'm townreading this.

[Brian Skies]

Because I'm also having difficulty garnering reads this game, so it resonates with me a bit. I also haven't really gotten a lot from a lot of slots to sort either way (either because they haven't posted or they haven't broken away from the RVS trolling enough), which is kind of frustrating. But if scum don't want to risk making waves, then I'm perfectly fine waiting for people to do things I think are townish and just lynch through POE.

[Brian Skies]

Outing them is fine I think regardless of alignment.

Please don't encourage them.

[Brian Skies]

As a counter point, we have to lynch SOMEONE. You think it's a better plan to lynch waht then?

Why do you say this as though we're in some sort of a rush?

Also,

Also can someone explain why this FOS thingy is scum?

What FOS thingy?

Penguin. It's been a while since I played with you. Remind me how to read you?

I will be using a series of word to convey my thoughts and opinions. If you read these words in the order I write them (from left to right, unless I starting writing in Japanese), you should be able to do a reasonable job of reading me.

I may also do a few rainbow reads depending on my mood.

What if I'm illiterate?

Side note, hello everyone, I am here.

Awkward. FoS.

I don't understand why you're asking about this.

While I get that I made a statement and not a question, I was actually asking you to explain your thought process here.

[Brian Skies]

<snip>

Why does your lolcase stop just as Gamma starts voting and playing the game?

[Brian Skies]

VOTE: ArcAngel9

[Brian Skies]

Let's all wagon AA9 before she prod dodges again.

[Brian Skies]

Also, is it a cloud pretending to be a dinosaur?

[Brian Skies]

It lives!

[Brian Skies]

I have no idea how to read <Reck, Gooey, Pine>.

I don't understand the wagon on Firebringer.

I haven't played with Mutant before.

With that said, I don't have a particular issue with Mutant pointing out a potential vig soft claim. His sudden spurt of activity afterwards is interesting though. I think it's likely he realized he hadn't done anything of value up to that point and decided to start contributing instead of becoming a vig target. Survivalism? Could be, but is that really something only scum are capable of? Everything he's done though is a constant stream of 'wtf am i reading?'.

I'm gutreading Hiplop as town.

I'm townreading Vax.

NSG's lolcase on Gamma is still odd and I'm scumreading her for it. NSG's defense of Mutant is sketchy (and yes, I'm reading it as a defense because what else would it be?).

I would townread T-Bone if he were more insightful instead of just being reasonable. The only thing I like from him so far is his vote on NSG, but that's still somethign that was originally done randomly and I'm pretty sure he's indicated in some way that he's not really scumreading her.

I don't really think AA9 is scummy. But I did think it was possible she was scum avoiding the game, hence the vote.

Vecna continues to be useless. I stand by my bid to impeach him and take his place.

I hope UT's executive decision to give us a VoteCount doesn't count against our total.

I don't have time to read through and figure out 60 billion Gerald posts right now.

Cheeky, why are/were you townreading Gamma?

[Brian Skies]

I refuse to be in the same townpile as NSG.

This is blasphemy.

[Brian Skies]

As far as I can tell, the main point of the VC is for Vecna to indicate his vote. Nothing else really matters.

I'm guessing the 'you may lie on the VC' is for if the person making the VC's doesn't really want to go through the hassle of counting up votes, etc, etc.

[Brian Skies]

VOTE: Northsidegal

[Brian Skies]

In regards to the VC thing I think Vecna likely town for it. If he was using his VC for scum deception purposes I don't think he would've been so obvious with his abuse of power/memeing early game. I agree that it only really serves as a way for Vecna to give his vote but think it also gives the game another layer of added WIFOM.

I'm rejecting this unless he starts doing towny things.

[Brian Skies]

Cheeky, what's your read on NSG?

[Brian Skies]

Reck, are you a doublevoter?

[Brian Skies]

She's at L-2 from my count.

[Brian Skies]

You know what the grace period is motherfucking over
VOTE: northsidegal
her scumread on me is absolute dogshit and she hasn't addressed my criticism of it at all ever

Woo!

I believe!

[Brian Skies]

Also, you respond to this but ignore the game while Cheeky gets wagoned for who knows how long?

[Brian Skies]

<snip>

Why does your lolcase stop just as Gamma starts voting and playing the game?

i fundamentally disagree that the posts after where i stopped and before my case could be considered "playing the game".

Also, you respond to this but ignore the game while Cheeky gets wagoned for who knows how long?

i'm literally on v/la. my activity is meaningless.

And what is that second quote even supposed to mean? Like, i spent almost all of my time the last time i actually sat down with this thread just engaging t-bone on why he was only talking about cheeky there when i think she's pretty likely to be town.

Because you made a conscious decision not to comment on these posts and I wanted to know why. I've included every post that Gamma posted inbetween the last post of his you commented on in your 'lolcase' and when you actually decided to post it.

Spoiler: Gamma Posts

Yawn. Gamma really you're going to Scum Read me for pushing to get reads? Good luck with that. Are you just going to scum read me every game now?

Brian your empty opportunistic jump on is noted. I'm not sure which vote is worse Gamma Emerald or Brian. I'm leaning Brian because Gamma always seems scummy to me.

You can get reads but you seem self conscious about getting them, like you have to show you're doing stuff

Good to see an early town meta playing Gamma.

How is this early town meta playing Gamma.

Gamma is actually pretty easy to read, imo.

He hyperposts as town, going from beginning to end posting his thoughts as he progresses from the beginning to the most recent, to the point where he sometimes asks questions that have already been answered.

As scum, he does not do this, and is much more guarded, leading to fewer posts and most of his posts being very reactive to whatever is said about him.

This is very wrong and I can link you a game where I do just that as scum

Yawn. Gamma really you're going to Scum Read me for pushing to get reads? Good luck with that. Are you just going to scum read me every game now?

Brian your empty opportunistic jump on is noted. I'm not sure which vote is worse Gamma Emerald or Brian. I'm leaning Brian because Gamma always seems scummy to me.

You can get reads but you seem self conscious about getting them, like you have to show you're doing stuff

Oh the FoS thing is me throwing out my suspicion because I didn't want to move my vote off of Vaxkiller until Firebringer obv scummed. Fair enough you can be town.

ok so just pseudovotes. suspicion mildly alleviated

Good to see an early town meta playing Gamma.

How is this early town meta playing Gamma.

Gamma is actually pretty easy to read, imo.

He hyperposts as town, going from beginning to end posting his thoughts as he progresses from the beginning to the most recent, to the point where he sometimes asks questions that have already been answered.

As scum, he does not do this, and is much more guarded, leading to fewer posts and most of his posts being very reactive to whatever is said about him.

This is very wrong and I can link you a game where I do just that as scum

Sure, if you want to destroy my confidence in being able to read you.

I mean I personally consider newbie 1856 to be my best towngame and I'm trying to improve my townplay so maybe you'll be able to read me once I shift into my new meta.
One such thing I think I've learned is that making reads based off how people treat me probably doesn't go over well.

What if I told u.

I stole rc tell book for cheekytreeky and she Town told?

may I read this book myself?

Just call me Gemerald

Only in Team Mafia though. As you are all well aware, I am the great Team Mafia player in all of history.

Eddie Cane

For some reason that response amuses me

VOTE: Firebringer
I see little reason for him to have this exchange as town

oh hai marq

is that marquis
hey marquis how does it feel that I was right about your attack on my skill level was scum motivated

Crumb* rather than a soft claim.

mutant SK confirmed

Well, you DID just bitch me out for something Gamma did, said I failed, and did the ol' hilarious "FOS" thing.

So seriously. You tell me.

yeah real talk Cheeky is my first scum read for the FoS thing, comes off as too focused on getting out reads
VOTE: CheekyTeeky

Not to mention that this is the last quote you commented on in your 'lolcase,' which indicates he was just starting to get serious about the game, but you completely ignored this because it didn't fit your narrative.

There wasn't really anything between you and T-Bone that made me lean either way on you, and if you think Cheeky is town, why are you so determined to respond to Gamma's vote on you but completey content with seeing your 'townread' get wagoned and maybe lynched?

[Brian Skies]

There wasn't really anything between you and T-Bone that made me lean either way on you, and if you think Cheeky is town, why are you so determined to respond to Gamma's vote on you but completey content with seeing your 'townread' get wagoned and maybe lynched?

I don't like you framing this in a "i'm so determined to respond to gamma's vote on me" way (and when i say "i don't like" here, i don't mean in a "it makes me think you're scum" way, i mean it in a "i don't think it's fair for the discussion we're having" way). first of all, i literally

hadn't

responded to gamma's case before this. so, to call me "determined to respond to it" doesn't seem accurate. i'm responding to it because i scumread gamma and he started voting me, and hopefully i can demonstrate to everyone else how what he's saying is nonsense.

i'm not "content" with cheeky getting lynched at all. i don't have a strong enough townread on her that i'd claim an inno or something to prevent her lynch, but i'd definitely try to convince people to go elsewhere, and that's something i've undoubtably done before? like, i'm fairly confident that me doing that is in my ISO.

Fair.

By 'determined to respond to it,' I was mostly meaning you were determined to address the push on you, not necessarily his response to your case.

I personally feel like Gamma made a change in his play starting at 132, but I guess I can see it being rather weak or unsubstantial.

I sadly don't remember most of what I've read since I'm been filing most things this game as nonsense (and because a lot of the attention I've been hoping to devote to this game is being siphoned elsewhere). I don't remember if you've defended Cheeky or not, but I'm acknowledging that I probably need to sit down and reassess things.

[Brian Skies]

would you like me to go through the posts following 132 and before my case and describe my thoughts on each one individually?

Nah, I'll just reread the game.

[Brian Skies]

@NSG:

By any chance, did you know the game didn't officially start until this post?

[Brian Skies]

There are reasons for the questions I ask, and it's not always about defending someone.

[Brian Skies]

Pine is giving me some flashbacks to civ mafia, just packaged different. Id jump on that bandwagon anytime.

Not even close to the same play he had there and I don't understand the comparison.

[Brian Skies]

VOTE: Tbone

[Brian Skies]

This is the first time I've seen TBone give a stance on anyone this game (unless you want to count his hyung vote which mostly just felt opportunistic to me). While I'm unopposed to an AA9 lynch, there's nothing about his vote there that makes me feel good about him.

His sudden stance that NSG is scummy for posting VC's (really?) and Cheeky for not answering a simple question feel pretty superficial to me as well.

[Brian Skies]

In addition there's some flaws I've spotted in her logic, like her attacking me for not following up on things, which has come up as a point against me before, and I was town then. So her using it now points to her not considering past history and using anything she can to finger me as a suspect.

Is this based on experience you have with her or...?

[Brian Skies]

So t bone pretty much has to be town with that role.

The easiest way to my heart (and my town pile) is having a town read on me, yes. I'm glad we're on the same page.

Idk what this is and TBone's response mostly seems like a joke, so it doesn't count.

(when everyone actually gets in here and posts at least once I'll prob

stop shitposting

do things in addition to shitposting)

What was the purpose of this post?

What is the purpose of this post?

(when everyone actually gets in here and posts at least once I'll prob

stop shitposting

do things in addition to shitposting)

What was the purpose of this post?

What is the purpose of this post?

Ok to be clear. Why do we need to know that you will produce actual content when everyone has posted? Simple answer is that we don't need to know that and you're overly self aware about your need to contribute something real.

You fail. FoS.

What is the purpose of

this

post??

Well, you DID just bitch me out for something Gamma did, said I failed, and did the ol' hilarious "FOS" thing.

So seriously. You tell me.

I would also like to unsubscribe, these latest posts have been terrible and completely missed the forest and the trees. 0/10 would not recommend.

Are you guys just PLing me for being a VI or do you care to add reasons?

I like wagons. You refused to join mine on brass and used a yucky FoS instead, so I'm joining yours. You have like 3 or 4 votes...why care so much?

Because I can't assess votes I don't get reasons for.

VOTE: northsidegal

Be less sensitive on page 6. It'll do you wonders.

Let's get some facts straight here. I was trying to start a meme, for the record, since it would have given the game as much meaning as the question you asked GooeyGamma (someone else was supposed to quote me and ask what the post means). Then you quoted me and freaked out.

Then you also made a statement about how you can't assess votes people don't give a reason for. So I quoted that post and voted for a random player.

I don't like it when people post things for the sake of posting. That was like, your entire ISO up to that point. It isn't about you being new, or the fact that I have a green name so I somehow think I am superior to all you plebs (this isn't Team Mafia, after all). It is about content that I perceive to be empty, and thus, I'm going to mock it every single time.

Maybe you did it because you are insecure about your own abilities as a player. Maybe you did it because you are scum and you feel like "this is what town-me should do." I don't know.

At no point did I ever make a judgment about your alignment (or anyone else's for that matter). At no point have I suggested we lynch you.

Be the player you want to be, if you're town I want you to be your best.

At the same time, I think you should have the awareness to let other players be who they are at the moment. Let the game come naturally. Don't be that guy who has to react to everything as some sort of slight against them.

Because, either I can say

Maybe you did it because you are insecure about your own abilities as a player. Maybe you did it because you are scum and you feel like "this is what town-me should do."

But voicing the obvious and using it to make a read is the kind of empty thinking that doesn't really help as town. You know, the type of thing I mocked you for. Yeah, it's fucking obvious that you could be town or scum. Just like every other player in the game.

(and I'm not criticizing your playstyle so much as I am voicing my thoughts and explaining why I do the things I do)

Did you (Cheeky) just drop a buzzword to describe something I said, because

you

(Cheeky) lost the context of the conversation? A conversation which the context was super clear and easy to follow. Really?

Gooey pitch to me why outing crumbs makes sense as a play from scum?

Penguin, what the hell are you allowing to be taught in the newbie queue that this question STILL gets asked in 2018?

SIGH

The answer to ALL questions that ask "why would scum...?" is ALWAYS to make someone ask "why would scum...?"

This is a public service announcement, funded by PepsiCo.

Wut? O_o'

Is waffling the buzzword? And I'm cereal about not getting what it is you're getting at. >.<

Hey whilst you're here. What do you make of xRECKONERx determining to vote you EOD? I find it "interesting" that you haven't even flinched or shown curiosity as to why that may be.

If you're legit confused that's fine. Here is the sequence of events. You did some things which I had commented on quite a few times. I then said, "at no point did I ever make a judgment about your alignment". You said, "Why not". And I said "Maybe you did it because you are insecure about your own abilities as a player. Maybe you did it because you are scum and you feel like "this is what town-me should do."" And then I explained that since voice that "you could be scum or town" amounts to empty content, it is not worth exploring...because everyone can be scum or town. And if I'm going to criticize players for empty content either now or in the future, I can't do it myself...because it isn't helpful for me or anyone else to find scum. Does that make sense?

As for Reck, he can do what he wants, it isn't my job to worry about whether someone is going to vote for me or not. It is my job to determine people's alignment and find scum. The statement by itself doesn't move the needle for his alignment to me, so I didn't react to it.

I don't feel that I (or any player, especially if they are also town) need to react to every single thing. It is okay to let other people play the game too.

(please keep in mind I am still not accusing you of anything, I am explaining my thought processes)

Gooey pitch to me why outing crumbs makes sense as a play from scum?

Penguin, what the hell are you allowing to be taught in the newbie queue that this question STILL gets asked in 2018?

SIGH

The answer to ALL questions that ask "why would scum...?" is ALWAYS to make someone ask "why would scum...?"

This is a public service announcement, funded by PepsiCo.

Wut? O_o'

Is waffling the buzzword? And I'm cereal about not getting what it is you're getting at. >.<

Hey whilst you're here. What do you make of xRECKONERx determining to vote you EOD? I find it "interesting" that you haven't even flinched or shown curiosity as to why that may be.

If you're legit confused that's fine. Here is the sequence of events. You did some things which I had commented on quite a few times. I then said, "at no point did I ever make a judgment about your alignment". You said, "Why not". And I said "Maybe you did it because you are insecure about your own abilities as a player. Maybe you did it because you are scum and you feel like "this is what town-me should do."" And then I explained that since voice that "you could be scum or town" amounts to empty content, it is not worth exploring...because everyone can be scum or town. And if I'm going to criticize players for empty content either now or in the future, I can't do it myself...because it isn't helpful for me or anyone else to find scum. Does that make sense?

As for Reck, he can do what he wants, it isn't my job to worry about whether someone is going to vote for me or not. It is my job to determine people's alignment and find scum. The statement by itself doesn't move the needle for his alignment to me, so I didn't react to it.

I don't feel that I (or any player, especially if they are also town) need to react to every single thing. It is okay to let other people play the game too.

(please keep in mind I am still not accusing you of anything, I am explaining my thought processes)

A complete mess of pushing back and forth on Cheeky that culminates with teh response: 'At no point did I ever make a judgment about your alignment (or anyone else's for that matter). At no point have I suggested we lynch you.' Which begs the question of what exactly was the purpose of TBone's interactions with Cheeky in the first place.

Also not a stance.

He then continues to mock Cheeky without committing to a read either way on her and then feels the need to tell her that he's still not accusing her of anything.

I've literally accused you of none of those things.

...Am I the only one seeing these things? Noone else can see it?

I'm explaining my thought processes and why I do things...but you can do what you want. I assume you have some level of autonomy.

@T-Bone – why are you like only talking about or to Cheeky?

Yeah but I'm voting for you <3

What would you like to talk about?

So...you didn't want to talk to me...while criticizing me for only talking to Cheeky. Why is the burden on me to open a dialogue with people? Be the change you want to see.

As for WHY I am talking to her...it is because I am trying to determine her alignment, and I feel out of all the players so far, she has produced the most 'game relevant' content

, and is as good a player to start with as any. Do you feel anyone else has produced more than a post's worth of game relevant content? Because I don't. I feel most players are just floating along, or throwing stuff at a wall to see if anything sticks.

I voted for you because I quoted a post of hers where she said essentially she didn't like votes without an explanation...to which I then voted you without explanation. I picked you randomly (and in fact, you hadn't even checked in). As for why I haven't moved the vote...it isn't harming anyone. Unless you feel pressured by it? In which case I guess it is pulling some unintended utility.

Also, when I started engaging with Cheeky I was trying to start a bit where multiple people quote a post adding the question "what is the purpose of this post?" over and over again, but Cheeky immediately responded unfavorably and now here we are, talking about why I was only talking to her.

You've effectively made my point, by the way. Thank you.

Do you feel anyone else has produced more than a post's worth of game relevant content?

Because I don't.

eh, i'm bored and gamma's iso is short, going to do a mathdino-style full iso "lolcase"

nothing game related

totally NAI.

NAI,

still nothing game related

I don't think that's a scumtell in its own right but i don't see why gamma wouldn't just come out and say it or actually just use it to form a read on penguin and mention the tell.

nothing

probably not a sound conclusion but this is a lolcase so -shrug-

don't really like these votes

yeah i don't really feel like continuing this

but you get the gist, not really seeing any sorting or effort at sorting there

Ummm...

2 Yes, i do disagree, hence my votes.

I know I'm deleting a lot of the post, but yes you make my point that not a lot of game relevant content has happened...but pointing it all out in your lolcase on Gamma.

Yes, I do appreciate that you are throwing stuff at a wall and seeing if it sticks. That is totally fine and I wouldn't usually criticize something like that at this stage of the game. I don't get why you don't appreciate that I would want to spend time on something I feel is productive instead (which is sorting a player who has a lot of serious content)?

By the standard you are trying to impose, would it be fair to point out that my attempt to sort Cheeky is productive for the town (specifically for me)...but your 'lolcase' on Gamma is complete nonsense...by virtue of you handwaving everything you say with "but this is an lolcase"? I think it would be very fair for me to say that I'm doing something productive, and you aren't in these examples.

If you think it is scummy, so be it. But when you say "it is not a debate, I'm just noting a scumtell". Seems like you're inviting a debate to me, and one I am happy to have. Especially if you want to question something you find scummy...while simultaneously doing something scummy AND pointless.

is this your normal philosophy when it comes to voting? just checking.

Totally
Completely
and
Unequivocally

Not saying you did anything scummy. I am having a conversation with you. (you know, the thing I do to try and sort people's alignment)

Claims Cheeky has the most game-relevant content, but once again, no stance.

Admits his North vote was completely random. Ends the conversation with: 'I don't think you did anything scummy,' which begs the question of half his conversation with NSG and once again, not a stance.

Vax, have you considered that someone can make a post, and it not be motivated by, or otherwise indicate their alignment?

Have you considered that players can make more than 1 post like this? More than 2? Most of their ISO?

Honestly, mutant has done really only one thing that I would honestly look at and think "what is he trying to accomplish? Is he doing this because he's scum?" And it is far and away not the "i feel like it" comment.

Alright Vax, I do disagree. I don't think he's done anything to really indicate his alignment.

The only thing I might consider is the post where he reacts to Cheeky for pointing out the non-crumbs...but even then I feel that is a stretch.

For reference, I also think players as a whole, do very few things that betray them as scum.

I'm not trying to persuade you that mutant is town. I don't know that he is, and I don't have a strong feeling either way. I'm saying that of all his posts, I think so far almost none of them have to do with his alignment at the moment. And of the one post that might, I could see it as either way.

Responds to Vax and talks about Mutant.

No stance on either.

I'm on the same side as Town!Vax so don't take things that I say as an attack. You wanted discussion and I tried to give it to you.

Meh. One stance I guess. Although I'm unsure as to whether he's just continuing it on from the 'probably just a joke' from the beginning of the game or if there's actual reasons for this.

Let's all wagon AA9 before she prod dodges again.

I endorse this service and or product.

Didn't really say anything beyond this and didn't vote her with me.

2) At this point, I think you're probably town. O.O

Buries this in a spoiler tag, but doesn't go into why he townreads Cheeky or fight against her lynch in any way.

vote: hyung

vote: hyung

nope

Well, won't you look at that! I just did!

And it counts!

Do you need another vote count to see?

Eh. I guess this isn't a completely awful vote. But there isn't anything that makes me believe TBone believes this will flip scum.

Also, while I don't want to encourage VC burning, I just feel that scum blatantly going through them would be a completely unclassy move to make.

If I've somehow missed one of TBone's amazing stances this game, enlighten me.

[Brian Skies]

Current lynchpool:

Hyung, FB, Reck, NSG, Tbone, Pine

People who I wouldn't mind getting lynched (policy):

AA9, Hiplop, mutant, brass

--------------------

People I might lynch tomorrow:

Gooey, Penguin, Vax, Brian

Never lynching:
Gemerald, Vecna

This is ridiculous.

And yet her reads below that line are somewhat consistent with what I remember from her.

The lynchgroup is interesting though. Why are both FB and Reck being scumread?

Why is Gemerald so high?

[Brian Skies]

I'm not reading that wall.

Let's lynch TBone for crimes against all that is good in the world.

[Brian Skies]

I'm going to be honest though, my main issue isn't so much just the lack of stances, but you making the effort to get into these long drawn out conversations without explaining what you've gotten out of it. And then, you feel the need to back off by claiming 'oh btw, I'm not or wasn't scumreading you," which just feels like you either backtracking or trying not to rock the boat. It's like, if you don't think it's alignment indicative or worth pursuing, then wtf were you doing? Posting for the sake of posting?

[Brian Skies]

Also, I voted you

before

you made your comment about NSG, so like, wut?

[Brian Skies]

I don't think town!Brian would pull my entire ISO to prove a case. I don't think town!anyone would do that on any player.

Also, I have and I would.

[Brian Skies]

hey brian

do you think cheeky could be a scums

because i think cheeky is a scums

Oh, you think so? I kind of gloss over her posts.

I was actually okay with the wagon on her during my reread since it seemed like she was bouncing around without any rhyme or reason (and I can see scum doing that and others scumreading her for that sort of behavior, although I'm unsure if that's why most of you were voting her). I was kind of okay with her in the last few pages in regards to Reck, but I don't remember why I was.

I didn't like her Vecna townread, and I haven't bothered to check if she's indeed scumreading everyone who votes her (which is just lol if this is the case because I think she's admitted to trying to pull attention to herself).

[Brian Skies]

I haven't gotten the feeling TBone has been waffling at all this game, so not sure why everyone keeps labeling it as such.

[Brian Skies]

He used up our VCs so now we only have 1 official one left.

This is untrue. We've only used half of them.

[Brian Skies]

I didn't say anything.

[Brian Skies]

Try again.

[Brian Skies]

I'm town though.

So by default your scumteam is wrong.

[Brian Skies]

I've also voted Arc and said that TBone's vote on her wasn't completely awful, so obviously I have some issue with her play. But to my knowledge, she does this as both alignments.

[Brian Skies]

I DIDN'T WANT YOU TO FEEL LEFT OUT SHEESH

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

And I would put my criticism of Pine in the same place I put mine of northsidegal. Content that is easily faked and lacks meaning beyond the surface.

I standby my claim of having no idea how to read Pine.

But I definitely feel like NSG should be a person more capable of making good content and I don't think I've seen that yet.

She's still on V/LA though, but god forbid I call her out and have her break her V/LA again.

LOL.

What is your read on NSG any way? And what do you think of people just sorting her as town as if she's done something majorly alignment indicative?

Also, for the record, every time I open Cheeky's iso, I still get the same "I don't really want to lynch this, this doesn't really look scummy to me," but everyone keeps saying she's scummy and that's the only reason I doubt myself.

[Brian Skies]

I feel like Tbone is misunderstanding Brian more than vice versa.

If we're both town, it's probably the other way around.

[Brian Skies]

I dont understand how you can feel this way.

It doesn't necessarily make you scummy, but is super suspicious. Especially when we flip them.

It's day 1. We should be look at wagons like this: Unless you are town reading them, get on the wagon.

Well this certainly feels like a 'damned if I do, damned if I don't' sort of situation, and regardless of her flip, no?

It doesn't really make sense for me to lynch someone just because, does it?

Why do you want her dead anyway?

We also have 5 days left so why do you keep pushing this idea that the day

has

to end?

Do you not get that I don't like the option that you guys keep trying to shove in my face and I'm exploring other options (AA9 who was nonexistent, Vecna who I still don't think has done anything majorly town-indicative, NSG LOL, TBone who I think did something that could be scum-indicative and it's why I'm pushing him)?

If you think it's suspicious that I don't scumread her and that I should (for whatever reason), then don't you think it makes more sense to explain to me or convince me why she needs to die today instead of just trying to strongarm it onto me?

[Brian Skies]

It is hard to gauge her in full, because she had this v/la, and her activity has come and gone otherwise, and no one has sustained interactions with her. I also find her timing to be super odd (like when Gamemerald called her scum for something and she magically appear 5 minutes later despite being on v/la) I think people sorting her as town when she hasn't done much kinda supports my criticism of her doing busywork. It looks good, it looks productive, but it actually isn't. I'm in the lean scum territory.

I'm acknowledging that the intention of her lolcase on Gamma probably went right by me, but I'm still suspicious of her as a whole, and she's clearly keeping up with the game to some degree, and it's one of the reasons I

don't

want to just rush this day.

[Brian Skies]

I'm still townreading Vax.

[Brian Skies]

I'm still townreading Vax.

Ugh. this is why I town read u.

Wasn't I scum like 2 pages though? :3

[Brian Skies]

VOTE: ArcAngel9

[Brian Skies]

I would happily lynch Mutante at any time.

[Brian Skies]

Brian and me, for starters. Then there is you, northsidegal, Pine...etc

I love this by the way. It gives you town cred for asking me reads on specific people who are controversial.

the fuck I didn't ge tthat from the post at all

Are you sad that you got left out?

[Brian Skies]

Brian why are you town reading Vax? I need help seeing it.

There isn't really anything major I can point to and say 'this is why I think he's town.' I just feel like his mindset has been pretty focused on scumhunting or figuring out the game that I don't think comes across as fake or unnatural.

His interactions with NSG around Mutante seem like genuine confusion and that he wanted to work through it as well.

I also think his upfront and brazen stances against Mutante and AA9 are more likely to come from town.

Do you think he's scummy? If so, why?

[Brian Skies]

Ali can be a townread.

[Brian Skies]

brian, can you go into what you think about pine's play is substantially different from civmaf? disregarding it not being packaged in roleplaying.

From what I remember, Pine's play was mostly:

A) Hiding behind heavy amounts of flavor
B) Naked scumreads (most of which was on Vecna)
C) Empty promises to explain said scumread(s)
D) "I'm Busy" or "I'm Overwhelmed"

I've also only read a small portion of that game, so if you think it really is the same, you'd have to explain it to me.

[Brian Skies]

Because I think Brian is town,

I am going to sheep him on Pine

who I have not gotten the chance to read a single post of yet.

???

I'm not really opposed to a Pine lynch, especially if you think he's scum. But if you're going to sheep me, please do it right.

[Brian Skies]

Have you had a chance to look at NSG yet?

[Brian Skies]

People are townreading or ignoring her, I don't know why.\

Gemerald and I have taken issue with her case against Gemerald, and I don't think she's done anything worthy of a townread. There are also things like her interactions surrounding Mutante (in which I question and almost feels like a defense of that slot) and her seemingly breaking V/LA to respond to suspicions thrown at her but her ignoring pretty much anything else.

[Brian Skies]

And who are these people that are TRing her

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Brian Skies]

Hey scummies... Give me a day. Will catch up!!

Just got back and i am going to catch up in a bit. So will join the party

Damn.. i am so behind. so lets me pick up the race from here.

who is getting lynched?

VOTE: arcangel

Whats your motivation here?

AA9 I kinda want to townread but ultimately I need more content tbh.
@AA9 - Hopefully you see this. Where are you at with the game in general and stuff? Like do you have reads that you could explain with like, words? That would be great if you did.

I am in the process.

So um, this is definitely a thing.

[Brian Skies]

Can you explain in your own words why you want a TBone lynch?

[Brian Skies]

Ali, have you looked at NSG yet or what?

[Brian Skies]

Okay let's talk about T-Bone.

26 is a wolf post

209 Can't say for sure if this is something that pinged me while I was somewhat following along because I have a memory of a fucking goldfish, but I kinda feel like this post is agenda based?
It was that or 219 because THIS is a complete fucking wolfclaim mostly because I don't feel like T-Bone here is pushing a read, but moreso just building up justification for their FoS on Cheeky.

703 + 709 really comes off as an interaction with a partner btw.
The vote in off itself seems like a good justified vote, like there is 0 read T-Bone is pushing here. Its all fact.
Also as I mentioned above, I think this is a moment where T-Bone thought his wolfbuddy was going to get flashwagoned for really scummy behavoir so he paniced and placed a bussing vote, and once he saw that wasn't the case, he moved off of it and stopped.

911 Hate the interaction with NSG here, it feels like an extremely easy way to continue justifying their read on them.

950 Okay this is a really fucking good post that I am willing to sheep if T-Bone flips town, and I agree with most of it actually, when I glanced at Brian's post, it really did feel like he was digging for things. Like especially this coming from Brian

Buries this in a spoiler tag, but doesn't go into why he townreads Cheeky or fight against her lynch in any way.

reads like a wolfclaim to me.
And in fact, Brian is saying that he isn't seeing T-Bone's stances, but T-Bone has been provding some stances, he has been pushing NSG and Cheeky and maybe a bit of Pine....
that's it from what I grasped of T-Bone's ISO?

Anyhow.

Look dude, we need to talk.
Who's town? I know very clearly that you wolfread a bunch of people or whatever, I don't care about that, and if I missed who you actually townread on a glance of your ISO, let me know and point me towards that direction please.
And why did you move off of hyung?

Yeah, I was shamelessly digging for things.

I don't understand why you think that quote from me is a wolfclaim though.

I can agree with or see where you're coming from with some of your other points though.

I don't understand what you mean by TBone 'continuing to justify his read on NSG.' For the most part, I felt that was the first time he mentioned anything resembling a read on NSG. But instead of pursuing that point, he went after AA9 (who after an quick meta dive, I'm even less confident in flipping scum than before).

[Brian Skies]

NSG, when was the last time you were scum?

[Brian Skies]

950 Okay this is a really fucking good post that I am willing to sheep if T-Bone flips town, and I agree with most of it actually, when I glanced at Brian's post, it really did feel like he was digging for things. Like especially this coming from Brian

Buries this in a spoiler tag, but doesn't go into why he townreads Cheeky or fight against her lynch in any way.

reads like a wolfclaim to me.
And in fact, Brian is saying that he isn't seeing T-Bone's stances, but T-Bone has been provding some stances, he has been pushing NSG and Cheeky and maybe a bit of Pine....
that's it from what I grasped of T-Bone's ISO?

Brian I interpreted that as a wolfclaim because I feel like thats an angle that a wolf would use to push T—Bone.

Tbh I thought he had a read prior to that on NSG like I was mostly going through that ISO to find the bits of posts I saw while I was following along and said “OMG T—BONE IS A FUCKING WOLF”
So honestly the “continueing” part could totally be invalid.
But the justification part isn’t invalid, because that post comes off as justification and pushing a fact and not really a read.

Okay, so like, what is your actual read on me?

Because on one hand, I kind of like that you're scumreading someone that I pushed, but at the same time, it feels like you're sitting here going 'let's lynch TBone' while at the same time setting me up as a lynch tomorrow under the premise 'well TBone said Brian was scummy and he flipped town so,' which just seems like you keeping your hands clean and shifting the blame onto us.

[Brian Skies]

I was looking at your scumgames and wondering why I'm even bothering with meta.

[Brian Skies]

It was not a very insightful journey. Also meta isn't really my thing anyway. I mostly only do it to check for things like tone or playstyle and you said 'my alignment should be obvious to people that know me' so I was curious.

[Brian Skies]

i mean, it really should've been a more insightful journey. as it stands historically my scumgames have been night and day with my towngames.

Idk. You seemed pretty competent in some of your scumgames, so I don't really understand this assertion (although I'm judging based only on your iso and not on the game at all).

Also, meta-diving isn't my thing.

[Brian Skies]

I don’t like T—Bone’s ending bit of it because it kind of came across as “this is a fight I really do not want to pick because I feel like I would lose it” so I am pushing there first.

Which is why I ask for feedback when I make substantial statements, because I'm trying to have perspective, and trying to be very clear about my thought process so everyone knows where I stand.

^That?

[Brian Skies]

Now...I say all these with a caveat. It looks pretty obvious from my point of view, because I know I'm town, and I know what I am and am not doing in this game. So given what I said above...who thinks I got it right? Does anyone think I don't have this right and we shouldn't lynch Brian over this?

Or maybe this?

[Brian Skies]

It's funny you say that because the instant I posted my 'case' I thought I would for sure lose any 1v1 with TBone on it.

[Brian Skies]

I just recognize that I'm making bad decisions and do them anyway.

[Brian Skies]

I want to talk about Reck and Firebringer. I don't get the push against Firebringer at all and I don't think anyone's really explained it.

I haven't really seen anything from Reck to make me think he's town here, and I kind of get teh feeling he's just trying to strongarm Cheekky or Fire. I also thought he was way more towny last time I saw him.

[Brian Skies]

I'm also gutreading Hiplop as town (where did this guy go) and he said Reck was scummy, so yeah...

[Brian Skies]

MutantDevle could be scum

Vax could be scum

I meant to ask you about these but don't think I ever did. Could you elaborate on these reads for me?

[Brian Skies]

VOTE: TBone

I'll have more time to look at this tomorrow afternoon and probably Wednesday.

[Brian Skies]

At least one or two of those games I linked you were on Day 1.

[Brian Skies]

I just took a quick look, so I could have been mistaken. But my immediate thought was "wait, none of these are on day 1, is Brian doing this because he thinks/knows this is what Brian does when he is town?"

Well, I'll go ahead and tell you that both of the final two I linked were on Day 1.

And I only brought them up because you were like 'there's no way town-Brian would do this,' which is false.

[Brian Skies]

>Alisae calls for angry mob
>Alisae ditches angry mob

>Angry mob riots

[Brian Skies]

What triggered you?

[Brian Skies]

The bit about the spoiler tag where I tell Cheeky I think she is town is another bit of bullshit that Brian also tried to peddle.

Ali was actually using this as a point against

me

, and not you.

[Brian Skies]

From what I understand, he's claiming to not have read a single thing you've said about him, and has instead turned it into a discussion about iso-diving.

Could be misdirection scumploy? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Brian Skies]

Actually Brian while you’re here (or anyone for that matter)
And this is 100% going to be a wierd question
Like read T—Bone’s latests posts under the assumption that both me and T—Bone are buddies.
Does it look like T—Bone is trying to distance from me and make me look like I’m hardbussing him if he flips wolf?
Because that’s what it looks like to me and I can’t tell if its because I’m stupid and fucking terrible at mafia or because that’s what it actually is.

this question makes no sense

Same.

[Brian Skies]

GooeyGamma, I'm gonna write a lot, and not make special posts for you like I promised. Sorry.

^I mean, the Gooey vote could be completely innocuous and just because of this, so...

But I can see why you'd be unnerved by a person seemingly jumping onto your wagon for random or unknown reasons.

[Brian Skies]

You know things have gotten bad once Ali starts throwing snipes.

[Brian Skies]

Is this one of those 1v1 trade things where if one flips town we lynch the other? And if so, do you expect us to really honor that?

[Brian Skies]

I wish there was something I could divulge from the last 3 pages or so, but alas, I only wish to wipe them from my memory.

[Brian Skies]

VOTE: Reck

[Brian Skies]

It's only hard because we can't agree on a lynch and half the players aren't even playing.

[Brian Skies]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

[Brian Skies]

So tempting.

Why you do dis to me?

[Brian Skies]

NGGHGHGHGH

[Brian Skies]

VOTE: Mutante

[Brian Skies]

The last big momentum switch was actually onto TBone before we flashwagoned fire/Reck/maybe someone else. Where is this phantom AA9 momentum thing coming from?

[Brian Skies]

I am still okay with an Angel lynch.

[Brian Skies]

Not Voting atm: Penguin
Literally hasn't voted once: arcangel, hiplop
it's 9 to lynch

This is my new favorite mutation to a votecount.

[Brian Skies]

VOTE: T-Bone

[Brian Skies]

I've made an alt to experiment with a new play style.

[Brian Skies]

I'm advancing deadline 7 days to accommodate the need for replacements.

New deadline in (expired on 2018-05-04 18:00:00)

So now our one hope of forcing people back into the game under the threat of deadline is now gone.

):

[Brian Skies]

VOTE: ArcAngel9

[Brian Skies]

Lol.

[Brian Skies]

Maybe she's loved.

[Brian Skies]

I REQUEST AN OFFICIAL MODERATOR VOTECOUNT

[Brian Skies]

I just want this nightmare of a day to end.

[Brian Skies]

Not gonna lie. I kinda just want to see where this goes.

[Brian Skies]

fucking I'm only like a 6th of the way through this game and I feel nauseous.

Yeah, you haven't seen anything yet...

[Brian Skies]

Okay, this got me to actually read the AA9 ISO.

The AA9 wagon is a really super obviously transparent scum-driven counterwagon. Not sure if against Reck or Mutant, but this makes me want to take a REALLY hard look at the people on the AA9 wagon and how it developed.

Why can't it just be 9 or so players that can't agree on a lynch but they all agree that AA9 needs to die?

[Brian Skies]

The only other wagons I could think of that even got near the lynch threshold were Cheekky and TBone.

[Brian Skies]

[Brian Skies]

Who do you want to lynch instead?

You're not even voting anyone.

And you've admitted to not really been playing this game.

So you choose

now

to throw a fit about the wagon?

[Brian Skies]

Stop encouraging him.

[Brian Skies]

sup

shoot i forgot about this

I really am sorry for being a lurkfuck. I promise I'm not doing that this game. Just legitimately been super busy. Will be free-ish tomorrow and then completely free starting sunday

I HAVE LEFT THE SHADOWS

AND WILL READ THE GAME FOLLOWING BIG BROTHER CANADA 6

yea i literally forgot this game existed

my bad

Stop letting us down man.

Nobody likes a flake.

[Brian Skies]

Or I'm gonna petition to get your banner removed.

[Brian Skies]

Not everyone can be like you, Ali.

[Brian Skies]

VOTE: NSG

[Brian Skies]

Can you walk me through your townread on NSG?

[Brian Skies]

Actually I changed my mind. I don't really want to lynch NSG.

[Brian Skies]

VOTE: PenguinPower

[Brian Skies]

VOTE: Mutante

[Brian Skies]

votehopper Brian

Is this what I've been reduced to?

[Brian Skies]

VOTE: Reck

[Brian Skies]

I blame the avatar.

[Brian Skies]

LLD is like my spirit animal this game.

But that'll probably only last until like, page 30 or so.

[Brian Skies]

Wait a second...

[Brian Skies]

*counts on feet*

[Brian Skies]

Can we wagon Hiplop for breaking our hearts again?

[Brian Skies]

Again, this sort of thing happens ALL THE TIME. You fucks shitpost all day while the adults have work, school, children, and real lives, and then you condescend to us as if we're lazy for not having the time to catch up to a 70+ page game.

Says an admitted shitposter.

[Brian Skies]

Again, this sort of thing happens ALL THE TIME. You fucks shitpost all day while the adults have work, school, children, and real lives, and then you condescend to us as if we're lazy for not having the time to catch up to a 70+ page game.

Says an admitted shitposter.

I very rarely shitpost. In this game I fucked around a bit because that was what a lot of us were doing, and I usually suck at sorting on D1. I skimmed a lot of the first half of the game because it was pretty devoid of useful content.

Don't pull out the "yeah but" argument. It's a very bad strategy to point out someone else's alleged flaws to distract from the weaknesses in your own case. Just because I dicked around a bit this game doesn't make AA9 scum for having a hard time keeping up.

I mean, you contributed to the problem. So of course I'm going to point out when you try to act like it's everyone else's fault but yours.

[Brian Skies]

The AA9 lynch is LAZY, and ignores people who have actually been scummy.

Who are all the people that have been scummy, then?

[Brian Skies]

Pine, I agree with your points, mostly, but at what point do we lynch a never contributing aa9?

Because its not like the volume of posts is gonna decrease significantly.

Last game i played with that aa9 the exact same thing happened. extra effort was promised but never came, resulting in a later game lynch on the slot. It was done as town tmaa9 that game, but its not like that means its ai this game.

I have no faith whatsoever that contribution is ever gonna come. A lynch is gonna happen on the slot regardless.

Not on D1. Probably not on D2. D1 is usually the toughest, and D2 is usually half the pace. D3 is often 1/3 the pace. At that point, there's no excuse, and it becomes suspicious.

When and if the lack of contribution actually manifests, we can talk about it. Until then, we have actual scummy players to investigate and lynch. On my agenda are Mutant and Vaxkiller, with Cheeky, LLD, Fire, and Reck previously dealt with. Also valid agendas would include sorting Alisae, Hyung and, frankly, you. I could also get behind pressuring hiplop, Penguin, and either Gamma, all of whom are similarly-low content slots which you seem to have no problem with. In fact, it's *really* suspicious that there's such an easy wagon on AA9, but no one wants to pressure any of those people. Personally, I find it to be tantamount to proof that she's Town.

Is there any reason why the entirety of the playerlist except <AA9, Vecna, NSG> are mentioned here?

Also, what do you mean by Cheeky, LLD, Fire, and Reck being previously dealt with?

[Brian Skies]

I am kind of in the opinion that unless lurkers start posting content or replacements happen, there’s not really much that’s going on.

I second this sentiment.

[Brian Skies]

You forgot
E. Entertaining

[Brian Skies]

The entirety of the playerlist except NSG is mentioned. The bolded 'you' refers to Vecna, and the entire premise of the post is a discussion about AA9. NSG has been on extended/intermittent V/LA and gets a broad pass for now. Curiously, you are also not addressed, but fail to mention that. As for the 'previously sorted' group, I was clearly talking about my own reads. I had just said that they weren't on MY agenda.

Lmao.

I read <you> as

me

, not Vecna.

Still, don't know why NSG gets an intermittent pass for extended/intermittent V/LA.

Why was I excluded?

[Brian Skies]

I actually tried to replace out a few days ago. He told me he needed help honoring my request, so I think the requests to replace other players might be a little too much.

[Brian Skies]

I request an official Vecna Votecount.

[Brian Skies]

Brian why are you voting Reck?

I don't have a reason and I may have been sheeping someone else.

[Brian Skies]

Don't fucking forget what I've said
nsg has seen me announce a shift in playstyle as both alignments, there was no difference in them. I feel like if she was town she would have kept that in mind. Ask the people I listed about this as well.

I agree that NSG is still scummy, but that lynch isn't going to happen today. Especially since half the playerlist is barely reading the game (or not even at all).

[Brian Skies]

Death cometh.

VOTE: Hiplop

[Brian Skies]

I also want to make it clear that this is a fully fledged scumread.

Hiplop claims he's busy and that he's forgotten about this game. Yet, he still finds the time to post elsewhere. (the speakeasy, general discussion, etc).

I find it highly likely that this is scum taking advantage of our apathy and complete inability to reach a consensus on a good lynch, as well as abusing the several gut townreads that have been thrown his way.

[Brian Skies]

Death cometh.

VOTE: Hiplop

I thought you gutread hip as town?

I did. I thought his posts were probably coming from town, but it was mostly off of a gut feeling and not of any real substance (which is typically how I treat players with similar playstyles as him).

I now feel like his play is probably scum indicative and explained why after I voted him.

[Brian Skies]

Death cometh.

VOTE: Hiplop

I thought you gutread hip as town?

I did. I thought his posts were probably coming from town, but it was mostly off of a gut feeling and not of any real substance (which is typically how I treat players with similar playstyles as him).

I now feel like his play is probably scum indicative and explained why after I voted him.

I'm starting to feel like your play is scum indicative.

Because...?

[Brian Skies]

It is a bit laissez faire I guess. And forced. I won't deny either of those.

I think North is scummy. And I think Hiplop is scummy. I think Angel could be scum, but it could also just be a result of English probably not being her primary language and the game being the way it is. I'm unopposed to her lynch anyway and would still hammer her if she made it to L-1.

I think Ali is probably town. And maybe Fire. I don't have any other townread I feel strongly about.

Hyung is probably town, I still stand by this assessment. I did get the feeling he was trying to solve or sort the game before he disappeared and it kind of felt like town frustration.

You are a hot mess. Reck is a hot mess but he's been sort of indicating a comfirmable role so meh. Pine is trying but is meh (best thing I've liked from him so far is his thing on Angel).

I'm still waiting for LLD to catch up as nothing from her catchup makes me feel solidly one way or another from her. She did touch up on some things that bothered me about Vax in her catchup though, although I don't feel that Vax has been that scummy. I could probably be convinced to vote Vax since his 180 flip to townreading me after I said I townread him was interesting. Still think the 'Brian was so much townier before his TBone push' is probably a natural townie feeling (Ali did the same thing).

Penguin is meh and I've mostly been townreading him because I thought his early content kinda felt like scumhunting, and the last time I played with him He didn't really do that and mostly pushed questionable flavor related things. He is back to meh.

Vecna was a lot of nothing early on. His later content feels townish enough that I'm not really interested going there right now.

Gooey is probably town. Gamma I still think is town. Didn't like his earlier thing about Angel when he meta dove her and found nothing of value after we told him it was a waste, and he came back wondering why we had no thoughts on it. But his later thing about Angel was okayish.

Who else is in this game?

[Brian Skies]

Mutant is a troll and I would lynch him anytime.

[Brian Skies]

I've recently learned that scum are most likely to stay off mislynch bait especially when there's suspicion around the wagon so that drops Brian down for me.

???

[Brian Skies]

You staying off the AA9 wagon when it was under suspicion pings me given you've been happy following everything else.

I already tried to hammer her and just told you I would do it again.

[Brian Skies]

I was actually quite proud of that case. Shame Kiana told me to hammer myself, but it still somehow worked out in the end, I guess.

[Brian Skies]

954 was a joke post though and I did end up reading his wall (otherwise how could I have responded to him in my next few posts?).

[Brian Skies]

I still stand by anything I said about TBone outside of the 'no stances thing's. Obviously not the case, but the other things I pointed out were why I was scumreading him to begin with.

[Brian Skies]

Yeah, 955 is a better example.

[Brian Skies]

Once upon a time, there was a Rabbit who was once a chronic lurker. He would join as many games as would interest him, mostly just out of curiosity to see what role PM he would get, not caring that his attention would be split between several games or that he would constantly fall behind. Every time he would return to a game he joined, he would forget everything he read, thus rereading the game several times and from different perspectives. He would make giant walls full of content, sometimes mostly serving as a sort of transparent thought process to remind him what he was thinking the last time he visited the game.

Then one game, an angry Wolf constantly berated his posts. He called them unreadable and threatened to torture the Rabbit to death with Justin Bieber music. The Rabbit was concerned about his play, and respected the Wolf. So the Rabbit approached the Wolf and asked for his advice. The Wolf, who was once very angry and irritated, was instead very kind to the Rabbit, telling him not to be overly concerned, but to lurk less and do his best to help the town play to their wincon.

And thus began the Rabbit's journey to becoming a better player, making the concerted effort to join only as many games as he was able and changing his playstyle so that he could be a more engaged and readable player.

The Rabbit sometimes misses the Wolf, but at least the Wolf is probably happy wherever he is not playing Mafia.

The End.

[Brian Skies]

Solid choice.

Can you ask them to NK me?

[Brian Skies]

I always knew I could count on you.

[Brian Skies]

Where is that coming from?

[Brian Skies]

AA9 finally sharing opinions (and many of them) is slightly surprising to me. Wasn't really sure she had that in her. Still, her taking 18 days to start reading the game and do this triggers me.

I will vote whoever Gooey tells me to vote.

[Brian Skies]

I'ma take this opportunity to say that treating scum as some mythical force in the game that pushes the game onto bad wagons instead of individual players that might be pushing a bad lynch or bussing based on whats better for their individual survival or consistency with their previously stated reads is dumb and you shouldn't do it

but hiplop is a perfectly fine wagon too so get it bigger than arc's and i'll jump on

and then regardless of which is lynched we can all pray that UT put somewhere between 5 and 10 vigs in the game and then maybe everything will work out after all

this is ignoring the point. scum is the minority, of course they can't control the entire game flow and wagons.

but they can still speak up, right?

every page had something on it about how aa9 was lurking, aa9 is scummy for it, aa9 needed to be lynched... and so on.

and then you have hiplop. just as bad if not worse in terms of activity and usefulness to the game state, and yet before I first brought him up and then Brian and I voted him, all I could remember was reckoner calling for a replacement a lot. note that hiplop as a lynch option wasn't brought up, and scum has just as much if not more motive to call for a scum partner's replacement.

if aa9 was a scum lynch I would expect a much earlier

discussion

of hiplop as a lynch option or alternative. practically

nobody

brought that up besides me (or if they did, it never was a sustained opinion) and I know I'm town at least.

granted they could both be scum dead weight which would be hilarious but I still doubt that's the case with aa9 individually, for reasons I've stated.

I like this post.

There is a large disparity between 'let's lynch AA9' and 'let's lynch Hiplop' and I don't really get that. AA9 at least has the excuse of a language barrier (Hiplop might but I've never had this impression of him).

[Brian Skies]

Hiplop also comes on site to post

somewhere

every day. So as long as UT (who I don't think is a terrible mod) prods him to post in this game, I don't really believe that Hiplop just 'forgets about this game.'

[Brian Skies]

Reck is not in my desired lynchpool but I would be okay with his flip and I don't really think confirmability = town.

Also, his 'I would policy lynch hyung and AA9' but 'Hiplop's behavior isn't alignment indicative and I'm not interested there' feels kind of skeevy.

There has also been a constant stream of depthless analysis from him that I don't think anyone (outside of maybe Gooey) that should have a townlean here. And his constant whining that people have an issue with his play and aren't townreading him is very disappointing to me.

Hyung did mention Reck asked specifically for Hip's replacement, so sure, we can pretend there is some sort of association between these two slots.

[Brian Skies]

Actually, TownReck would have very good reason to request Hiplop's replacement regardless of Hip's alignment. But his avoidance there is still sketchy.

[Brian Skies]

when you almost lynched aa9 and fucking sunk this game into the depths of apathy.

l m a o

VOTE: lld

player plays catch up while apparently sticking to read only the first 20 pages.

player comes back in now to say they'll continue with the catch up later.

player accidentally betrays in fit of fake rage that they

actually know and have been caught up on what's been currently going on this whole time.

hey guys. guess what. it's a scum claim

To be fair, I'm pretty sure the 'AA9 nearly getting hammered' occurred right around LLD replaced in.

[Brian Skies]

I don't feel like the alternative wagon choices are very good.

Convince me otherwise?

[Brian Skies]

Like, so far, the options seem to be <Vax, Hyung, AA9>.

I currently have Vax and Hyung as townreads. AA9 is probably not scum?

[Brian Skies]

I HAVE BEEN HERE LESS THAN A WEEK YOU FUCKING SCUMBAG.

AND THE GAME WAS 64 PAGES LONG WHEN I REPLACED IN.

THAT MEANS I GOT A THIRD OF THE GAME FUCKING DONE WHILE YOU SAT ON YOUR HANDS AND DID NOTHING WHILE THE GAME WAS IN APATHY.

THAT'S SO FUCKNIG DAMNING

This is also not a very good rebuttal since, at AA9's current rate of catching up, she'll have caught up before you will.

I get that this game is a hot mess and it's pretty long. I don't think you've done anything worthy of a read and probably won't be until you've caught up and have real-time opinions.

[Brian Skies]

Hyung.

Whether you find them scummy, trollish, or just policy, it's a good compromise for this shit show of a D1.

How about you defend your Hyung TR. I just searched your ISO, and it came out of nowhere with scant explanation.

I feel like you're cherrypicking. What makes Vax, Hyung, or AA9 perfectly viable candidates and not say Hiplop or Mutant?

Hyung I feel like is actually trying to figure out this game. You may not like his posting, or his opinions, but he has them and I have no issue with them. I also felt him leaving the game temporarily to be in a fit of town frustration (open to disagreement), and his reasons for scumreading/voting Cheeky are the only ones I actually like from that wagon. His opinions regarding AA9/Hiplop are also valid. Where is the scum motivation from this slot?

Vax I already explained is probably town and others have also stated their reasons for this. I'm not going to commit a read here because there are some admittedly weird posts from him, but I still feel like his general read progression on me earlier was townish and I don't feel like anything he's done is scum-indicative. Why do you think he's scummy or a good lynch (this one is probably your best bet of the three on getting me to follow you)?

AA9 is AA9 and I won't oppose her lynch, but her catch-up posts kinda sorta seem town. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Brian Skies]

Penguin is another questionable slot and he's almost due for a prod.

[Brian Skies]

side note for brian: did also think penguin looked pretty town early game for what it's worth.

Yeah, but anyone who isn't willing to suffer through and help me sort this nonsense could be lynched for all I care.

And I need slots that haven't been doing things to start doing things that are alignment indicative for me to get a clearer picture of this game.

[Brian Skies]

why is that skeevy.
we're getting a replacement for hiplop. no need to policy lynch that slot unless some assclown replaces into it?
aa9/hyung aren't replacing out, so yes, i would be fine with them being policy

who are you referencing has a constant stream of depthless analysis?

Your AA9 policy lynch is no longer applicable. And your reasoning for policy lynching Hyung happened on like page 20.

I'll ask you the same question I just asked Pine. What makes these two slots perfectly viable as lynched or policy lynched and not some like Hiplop (to which you did answer) or Mutant?

I was referencing you, obviously. Who do you even scumread at this point?

[Brian Skies]

VOTE: LLD

[Brian Skies]

VOTE: Hyung

[Brian Skies]

I could get behind a Vecna lynch, I guess.

North is still scummy.

[Brian Skies]

Most likely.

Sometimes I wonder if this is how the Town from Civ Mafia felt.

[Brian Skies]

UT please! The Penguin hasn't posted in 4 days!

[Brian Skies]

If this day gets extended again, I'm definitely replacing out.

[Brian Skies]

[quote="In post 1787, Untrod ]
Deadline in (expired on 2018-05-04 18:00:00)[/area][/quote]
I found the deadline timer.

[Brian Skies]

I changed my mind. I'm not really feeling a Vecna lynch.

[Brian Skies]

I'm a 1-Shot Bulletproof. I don't mind claiming right now because if I stopped the kill, then it's probably gone now. If Not, then w/e. It's main utility was to keep me alive anyway.

I don't really think scum shot me (although I don't think they couldn't have either). I just don't like people hardpushing the idea NSG has to be scum here, especially if they're reading her as town.

It's weird and I don't like it.

I'm also waffling on NSG being scum, and there are people I'd rather lynch before her.

Like Mutant and Titus. Maybe Penguin who avoided the game all day but still found time to join both the AA9 wagon and the Vecna wagon at EOD.

AA9's hardpush here doesn't give me the greatest vibes either.

I like LLD and maybe Ali for giving her some space.

[Brian Skies]

But its a possibility that Scum would have shot you? This is scum gamble to save your buddy?

Who are the other people that you would like to lynch?

If Mutant - You have my blessing.

Why do you start a new wagon on me? Do you read me as scum?

I am not hardpushing, I am just being active and aliase was trolling.

Yes, I said scum could have shot me. Otherwise I wouldn't bother claiming.

I already answered this question in the post you quoted.

I would happily lynch Mutant.

I'm not starting a wagon on you (or anyone for that matter, although I do have preferences). I just don't like the way this NSG wagon is developing since I'm not entirely sure who's hiding behind the roleblocker claim as an excuse to lynch NSG as opposed to people that legitimately think she's scum. If the majority thinks she's just scum, then lynch away.

Ali is a troll, yes.

[Brian Skies]

VOTE: Northsidegal

In regards to the VC thing I think Vecna likely town for it. If he was using his VC for scum deception purposes I don't think he would've been so obvious with his abuse of power/memeing early game. I agree that it only really serves as a way for Vecna to give his vote but think it also gives the game another layer of added WIFOM.

I'm rejecting this unless he starts doing towny things.

Hey Brian are you town reading NSG today? You seemed to think she was pretty scummy yesterday and hopped on her at least twice.

I remember the second quote pinging me at the time.

Would the existence of a BP role imply other shooting roles? The lack of deaths makes me think not, Brian can we have a full flavour claim from you please?

After revisiting her interactions, I do think NSG could be town here.

Why did it ping for you?

Maybe. I don't think there

has

to be other killing roles. It's not like there's anything that would point in that direction anyway, so not sure why you're asking this. Also not claiming flavor because I haven't fullclaimed yet.

[Brian Skies]

My main issue with North yesterday was that I didn't like her case on GE and I didn't feel like she was taking in the context around the game to develop that read on him (she didn't fully assess all his posts and I'm still not sure if she knew the game didn't begin immediately or not). Didn't really like her brushing off GE either when he was trying to interact with her (but she did eventually respond to him). Her flipping her read on GE when he replaced out was also pretty ??? to me.

I also didn't have the impression that she was really scumhunting that much or trying to figure people out.

But after looking at her posting again, I feel like I may have been holding her to some unfair standard, and maybe her V/LA kind of impeded her early contributions a bit. Particularly in her early interactions with T-Bone where she said he was overly focused on one thing but she wasn't really sure if that was scummy or not, or her interactions with Vax regarding Mutant. I also don't completely hate her push on me (regarding the case I made against T-Bone to which she did revisit later in the day and I didn't think that felt scummy to me; and it's pretty similar to how I felt about her case on Gamma, so maybe we're just looking past and not understanding each other).

[Brian Skies]

I'm not really thinking too much about that wagon, at least as far as clearing people are concerned.

I never had the impression the Votecounter thing was some great negative utility thing for scum to have, and it probably made him a good person to bus for scum. I also think we can read people without it.

[Brian Skies]

I'm still not sure if she knew the game didn't begin immediately or not

What at all was your point with this? I'm still wondering, i know you asked because of the votecount settings thing where i was too lazy to find the actual post where it started because it didn't matter.

Because the game didn't officially start until 77 and I thought a lot of people were screwing around up to that point. Some of the posts you were giving him a hard time for came after the game officially started and he was responding to earlier posts. And I did feel like he did start voting and playing once the game did start (127, 130, 131, and 132 all came after gamestart and I believe were his first posts after gamestart). And the 127 1nd 131 seemed to mostly be responding to things before gamestart.

So I wanted to know if and how your opinion would change in light of this information.

[Brian Skies]

In regards to the VC thing I think Vecna likely town for it. If he was using his VC for scum deception purposes I don't think he would've been so obvious with his abuse of power/memeing early game. I agree that it only really serves as a way for Vecna to give his vote but think it also gives the game another layer of added WIFOM.

I'm rejecting this unless he starts doing towny things.

I remember [this] pinging me at the time.

Why did [this] ping for you?

^Cheeky, you didn't answer this.

[Brian Skies]

Cheeky, you didn't answer this.

Why is it important? I just remember that it did ping me. Likely felt

disingenuous

and

spews TMI in retrospect

.

Why do you think either of these things?

[Brian Skies]

Are you going to answer the question or not?

[Brian Skies]

Are you going to answer the question or not?

You didn't answer mine so...

What did I not answer?