Product Placement Mafia (Game over!)

[Pine]

[Pine]

Ewww

mafsilver?

Hey. I main mafSilver.

[Pine]

Shhhhh it's a thing.

[Pine]

I am not an AI

Beep boop

[Pine]

VOTE: Firebringer

Hyyyyyype

[Pine]

Pine I am a inventor
Do you want one of my inventions?

(This is a bribe to get you to unvote)

Yes to invention

No to unvote

/bored

[Pine]

lmao yeah only in america would the recommended treatment for illness be "drink carbonated sugary soda"

Well.

Ginger ale is genuinely good for a number of ailments, and is particularly good at both settling nausea and forcing some simple calories into someone who's been having trouble keeping food down.

#medicalprofessional

Also, Dr. W is the Wegmans brand Dr. Pepper ripoff. It's a solid imitation.

PE: WHAAAAAT

Fire you give me that invention right the fuck now. Unless it's something useless, like 1-shot fruit vendor. Then give it RIGHT NOW

Triplevote: Firebringer[/v]

[Pine]

Triplevote: Myself

[Pine]

Low key not reading yet.

#fourthmeal

[Pine]

doot

[Pine]

i just got engaged yesterday

Scumslip

[Pine]

You have my attention

[Pine]

You don’t have to call me god

[Pine]

This game feels dead.

Pine got any spicy reads for us?

The only spicy read I have is how much I'm loving the new $1 Triple Melt burritos.

[Pine]

Honestly I haven't taken this seriously yet. D1 is not my bag.

[Pine]

nope

[Pine]

i have almost nothing of substance to back it up but i would like to make a bet that the three previous posters are all scum

I don’t think pine can be scum twice in 1 game though?

I see what you did there.

[Pine]

Triplevote: Firebringer

Triple Melt power activate!

[Pine]

Why

Die, Pokémans

[Pine]

Why

Die, Pokémans

R u reaction testing me or still just trolling

Ummm a little of both? I was determined to not take this seriously, but I couldn't help but wonder 'I wonder what reactions this will net me.'

[Pine]

Go away bonehead.

I mean...the irony is stark. Why is he a bonehead?

What is the purpose of this question?

What is the purpose of this question?

What is the purpose of this question!

[Pine]

I'm not usually a shitposter, but I'm not there yet with this game.

[Pine]

Goddamnit

VOTE: Cheeky

Real!vote

[Pine]

Nah. Dis too tryhard. Overdoing it.

[Pine]

This is Town!Fire I think.

[Pine]

Cool. I think Cheeky is too.

[Pine]

Is this 14v2v1, 13v3v1, 15v2 or 14v3?

what sort of question is this?
options 1 and 3 aren't sensible at all
also it could be 13/4

Yeah none of those setups are likely. Classic singleball for 17 is 13v4.

[Pine]

^This is scum

SK-hunting is a classic scumslip

[Pine]

Brian you don't know how to read me because I haven't really started playing yet. I've just been shitposting.

Cheeky' trytooharding is making me want to actually play though.

[Pine]

^This is scum

SK-hunting is a classic scumslip

lol

Pine can be town. Don't know about Vax yet.

Heh. Dat reversal and distance. Scum.

[Pine]

Hey Reck u scum?

[Pine]

nah man

K just checking.

The old guard here are really showing their age.

Bite me, pup.

[Pine]

Your face is rude

But we still friends so it's okay

Ilu bb u n me 4eva against the wurld

[Pine]

VOTE: Hyung

I see no possible benefit to doing that as Town. Frankly, even if this is Town, it needs to be policy wagoned.

[Pine]

Whatever, if Reck’s okay with it I don’t care.

VOTE: Cheeky

Hammer

[Pine]

Kbai

[Pine]

Love you too Pine xx

.......do I know you?

[Pine]

Look at the whole picture, Fire

PE: I may have misinterpreted your post, then, Reck.

[Pine]

Were we not doing a fakehammer thing?

[Pine]

Unvote

[Pine]

Were we not doing a fakehammer thing?

were we

...which I just fucked up by misreading signals

[Pine]

Nah it’s almost 2am. I’m just tired.

Sorry. I tried to help

[Pine]

This feels like scumReck

Which means it's probably TownReck

This feels like scumFire

Which means it's probably TownFire

Boys, get along.

[Pine]

Dude you played one very nonstandard game with me. How do you purport yourself to be an expert.

You aren't.

[Pine]

I feel like Pine is fine. It's a gut read he's done nothing to warrant suspicion from me yet so I'm happy leaving him as town atm.

I'm looking forward to Hyung returning and answering to my case on him.

Still not really playing, fwiw. Just skimming and waiting for D2 to start. My D1 game is weak af.

[Pine]

Bite me, T-Boner.

(<3)

[Pine]

easy space to occupy

Yeah, I thought that was explicitly what I was doing. Treading water until either D2 or I started caring. Whichever comes first.

Reck vs Fire being TvT is one of the only strong impressions that I've had all game, along with Hyung and Cheeky both deserving policy rope.

[Pine]

Maybe just relax and not be so TRYHARD. Your reads are all over the map and seem random.

[Pine]

You're spewing bad reads. That's =! sorting

[Pine]

Cheeky,

You have gone over all over the map with your thoughts and reads that I have no fucking clue how you reached conclusions you did with amount of stuff you have said that I can pick apart that is contradictory.

Can you stop sorting for a minute (ur definition of sorting seems to be consatanrly making theories of game and then jump to next?)

Tell me your top scumreads and why.
If two scum reads you have contradict another explain it.

Is there any theories/sorting in your iso you feel you don’t think is accurate at all anymore or you wouldn’t stand by right now?

So very this.

Thank you.

i didnt read the last 4 pages; what did i miss

Nothing.

You missed UT saying ur fat

Except this. I saw it. UT edited it away when he realized it was a public thread.

[Pine]

brian, can you go into what you think about pine's play is substantially different from civmaf? disregarding it not being packaged in roleplaying.

I was making an effort there.

I am not here.

Mystery solved!

[Pine]

^Thank you.

[Pine]

Booo pagetop spoiling my lazy arrow

[Pine]

I fucking dare you to click this link.

Fire, who should I be blindly sheeping you onto?

[Pine]

Yeah I was rethinking my earlier 'this is TownReck' stance anyway. I was not a huge fan of his behavior around the fakehammer.

Baaaaaa

VOTE: Reck

[Pine]

Pine why are you justifying the vote?

I'm not. I'm sheeping Fire on the vote.

What I'm justifying is my flip on Reck.

easy space to occupy

Yeah, I thought that was explicitly what I was doing. Treading water until either D2 or I started caring. Whichever comes first.

Reck vs Fire being TvT is one of the only strong impressions that I've had all game, along with Hyung and Cheeky both deserving policy rope.

I'm still here, calm your anime tits.

[Pine]

Pine why are you justifying the vote?

Pretty sure scum Pine would just throw on a vote without justification so don’t think asking this is helpful

Ehhh. Scum!Pine wouldn't blatantly sheep at all. It's too hazardous.

Town!Pine in this game doesn't give a fuuuuuuuuuck

babybabybabybabybabybabybabybabybabybabybabybabybabybabybabybabybabybabybabybabybaby

[Pine]

What I'm justifying is my flip on Reck.

Yes.
Why?

Because frankly it deserves an explanation. A few days ago I said that my only strong impression was that Reck/Fire was TvT. I changed my mind.

Why is this hard to understand? I may not really be paying attention, but I remember what I said. Besides, someone else would have thrown it in my face. I can't be a True and Loyal Bringer of Fire if my sheeping gets discredited, can I?

/stillshitposting

Pine why are you justifying the vote?

Pretty sure scum Pine would just throw on a vote without justification so don’t think asking this is helpful

Ehhh. Scum!Pine wouldn't blatantly sheep at all. It's too hazardous.

Town!Pine in this game doesn't give a fuuuuuuuuuck

babybabybabybabybabybabybabybabybabybabybabybabybabybabybabybabybabybabybabybabybaby

What about that game you were scum and you posted gifs all game and sheeped me?

Wasn't I faking a post restriction or something?

I need to do that more often.

[Pine]

I definitely need to do that more often. I'm thinking <<REDACTED>> for the next one.

PE: Lulz, I almost publicly announced my next fake post restriction. I'm a dummy. And tired.

Nah, Ali, I just like consistency. I'm a rule-follower.

[Pine]

Brian its because ur my Best Rabbit Friend Forever

This is my best rabbit friend forever:



Also vote Reck

Baaaaa





(*bunny hop*)

[Pine]

you fuck

I don’t fuck married dudes.
Sorry

Gasp

I thought I was the only one

You harlot

[Pine]

I hate the word 'reads.' It's a stupid buzzword. I prefer to sort people.

And given that my most frequent method is to copy/paste the player list and actually move them around into columns and piles, 'sorting' is the actual operative verb.

So eat me.

[Pine]

I hate the word 'reads.' It's a stupid buzzword. I prefer to sort people.

And given that my most frequent method is to copy/paste the player list and actually move them around into columns and piles, 'sorting' is the actual operative verb.

So eat me.

i hate it because "DURR HURR WHY ARENT U TRYIN 2 SORT PPL" is the rallying warcry of idiocy with this generation of the meta and what they mean is "why aren't you pressing anyone"

get off my lawn

Aha, but you're ascribing to me what you hate about others. I like the verb 'to sort,' but I reject the baggage you associate with it.

We're kind of on the same page here with regard to whippersnappers, we just have a vocabulary disagreement.

<3 scumReck.

[Pine]

Talk to me about mutant. With <48 hours to deadline, I'm ready to talk compromise.

[Pine]

Shouldn't we all be trying to play against our established scum meta? Always? Regardless of our role?

/philosophy

[Pine]

Eh, the 'new style' thing doesn't actually concern me. People

actually do

experiment with new styles. Some of them are just too lazy to go to an alt to do it.

I think the key is, did they make the announcement before role PMs went out? If so, it's hardcore NAI. If not, it's softcore NAI.

PE: Whoa, that's a scummy post. I'll listen to further arguments against mutant now. See, he's doing the same thing I'm doing, but he actually gives a shit what people think about him before he starts real!playing.

[Pine]

VOTE: AA9

Unproductive.

[Pine]

UNVOTE:

Okay, I've gotten sucked in to the point where I really have no excuse not to think for myself any more.

Extension relieves the pressure.

@Firebringer, talk to me about your Mutant read.

[Pine]

Lady Lamdadelta replaces T-bone.

[Pine]

Lady Lamdadelta replaces T-bone.

Cheeky comes off as a VI, but probably Town.

I feel nauseous.

Mafiascum in 2018

Preach!

[Pine]

is this a torture device? was I invited here to have people watch me react as the game slowly descends into madness?

Also Reck is super town anyone who thinks otherwise can fight me.

Yes.

No.

Sure, I'll fight you.

[Pine]

what the fuck is this ISO

why hasn't this player been replaced

Okay, this got me to actually read the AA9 ISO.

The AA9 wagon is a really super obviously transparent scum-driven counterwagon. Not sure if against Reck or Mutant, but this makes me want to take a REALLY hard look at the people on the AA9 wagon and how it developed.

[Pine]

She doesn't need to die, she needs to play or be replaced.

She hasn't done anything yet. I have no idea if she's scum or Town, though the ridiculous ease with which she was pushed as an alternate to Reck or mutant makes me think she's Town.

[Pine]

Who do you want to lynch instead?

You're not even voting anyone.

And you've admitted to not really been playing this game.

So you choose

now

to throw a fit about the wagon?

Am I not voting? Oh right, I decided to stop just sheeping.

I'm leaning towards Mutant, but I'd like to really dissect the AA9 wagon before I finalize the choice. We have time now.

I'm playing now, and honestly have been for a few days.

I wasn't throwing a fit about the AA9 wagon until I read that ISO. It's a VERY clear lynchbait counterwagon, and the ease and rapidity with which it developed makes me pretty certain it was meant to deflect the momentum on either Reck or Mutant. Possibly both.

[Pine]

I MAY NOT BE GOOD AT MAFIA BUT I WON 3 MAFIA BANNERS

I AM GOOD AT MAFIA BUT I WON 0 MAFIA BANNERS.

[Pine]

Bullshit.

I do that all the time.

I'm probably Town in the games I don't care about.

[Pine]

(I mean, that's me though. I'll grant you that my style is not representative of 'most people')

[Pine]

@Fire: Ur face is Growlithe.

Okay, so I just tracked down all the votes on AA9. With the sole exception of Vaxkiller, who's been parked on AA9 for about ten days, every single vote has been moved onto her in the last 36 or so hours. A wagon like that is scum-pushed.

ArcAngel9 - 8 (Vaxkiller, Gamma Emerald, northsidegal, Alisae, xRECKONERx, Vecna, CheekyTeeky, Brian Skies)

Fortunately, all of those are in chronological order.

So who's the scum there? Vax might be, but he's not in this VCA for now. GEmerald and NSG are the starter and first follower, and Alisae backed off when e saw how the wagon was developing suspiciously. Ditto Brian. Reck looks like the scum here, or perhaps Vecna, or both. They're in the positions that take it from a simple flashwagon into a crescendo, pulling in VI Cheeky and votehopper Brian.

VOTE: Reck

This is who we're lynching.

[Pine]

AA9 isn't posting in this game but she is posting in other games.
That is scummy.

Grow brains. there is a difference.
I have lot to catch up in this game and the games that i have been active are small ones.

I am finishing my catch up during the weekend.

I endorse this. Posting is easy when you're caught up and engaged. Getting into a 67-page game when you're nearly fresh is a huge challenge.

[Pine]

Reck, PP, NSG and ?

Pine would you like me to replace out? I seem to really rub you the wrong way. I'm happy to leave if that makes this game better for you. I don't appreciate being called a VI.

I don't mind if you stay.

Part of me wants to insist, "If you don't want to be called a VI, don't act like one."

But I'm on a "Don't be an asshole" kick, so instead I'll apologize and simply counsel you to simmer down and come on a little less strong. Jumping all over the place, projecting absurd levels of confidence, sniping at other players...it's a recipe for people both disliking you and not taking you seriously. There are players around here I like both don't take seriously. There are players I quite

dislike,

but whose reads I respect/fear. Being disliked and disrespected is not a place you want to be.

Tell you what. One-time offer: clean slate. Relax, simmer down, and be more congenial, and we're going to be okay.

[Pine]

votehopper Brian

Is this what I've been reduced to?

When it comes to VCA for this game, yeah. You've votehopped frenetically.

[Pine]

Because it is, assclown.

[Pine]

Yeah, just sub it in. It takes a willful effort of assclownery to so grossly misrepresent what I said back there.

[Pine]

Not only *could* I have done something like that, a "let's clear the air and reset" post like that was the post which convinced Mastin I was Town so hard she abandoned Mastin for Mastin2 when she was wrong.

But really, it's because I am genuinely not an asshole. If my dismissal is actually hurting Cheeky's feelings, and she wants to get better, I don't hold a grudge. As an educator and soon-to-be-father, I'm more than happy to extend an olive branch and try to help her BE better. I do it regardless of my alignment because, again, I'm not an asshole.

[Pine]

What was your claim?

[Pine]

Well it isn't clear to me, so maybe I missed something

I am suddenly less interested in Reck

VOTE: Mutant

[Pine]

Hey pine.

How about you go back to cheeky, unless you think they have changed significantly.

I do feel that way, and have said as much.

Vax making me very uneasy now.

[Pine]

Opportunistic can sound a lot like clueless. "Sure let's lynch the lurker" is CRAZY convenient.

[Pine]

This is a bad wagon.

I am disappoint.

[Pine]

Well for starters it's lazy

For another, the ridiculous ease with which it came together suggests there's enthusiastic scum on board, and almost screams that it's on an easy ML target.

For a third, being behind and having a difficult time catching up to a 70-page clusterfuck is understandable. It's pretty thoroughly NAI to me. If this were D3+ and she's doing the same active lurking, sure. But it sounds like she's having a hard time staying current.

For yet another, I imagine if she had access to a scum PT they'd have thrown her a bone, given her a quick and honest summary and pointed her in the direction of a victim. Instead she comes off lost and frustrated.

Finally, I really, really distrust the wagon composition. This looks like counterwagon bullshit.

[Pine]

When the AA9 wagon started, there were concerted efforts against Mutant, TBone, and yourself. I'm not sure which AA9 was supposed to counter, but it effectively shut down all three.

Personally, I think it was Mutant. His wagon had the most accelerating momentum at the time, while TBone's was already stalled. You're a suspect too, but the softclaim shenanigans has you on parole.

[Pine]

Fire stand down.

Time to sheep me this time.

[Pine]

To expand on that. I realize scum arent going to come out and Scum claim, but we are looking for something.

Also, as far as where my head is with my mutant (no e!) read, I think he may be a 3rd party or serial killer. This really doesnt look like their town game, and you don't seem to think this is his scum game

.

I'd like to draw everyone's attention to this post. I would lynch Vax at literally any time. This post is awful.

I would vote Vax in a hot minute.

Anyone else down? He might be the deadlock-breaker we need.

[Pine]

Money where my mouth is.

VOTE: Vaxkiller

[Pine]

Blah blah blah

You're all underestimating the difficulty of catching up to a 73-page game. I have difficulty catching up when I'm even ten pages behind.

Lurking through D1 is not a valid reason for suspicion. It's condescension towards people with lives.

[Pine]

Hey scummies... Give me a day. Will catch up!!

Just got back and i am going to catch up in a bit. So will join the party

Except that she's been trying to catch up from page 11. If she struggled with 11....I don't see it getting better.

A town player would've replaced out by now imo

.

It's worth noting that AA9 being a potential mislynch is the only thing Pine seems to care about today. Surely his energy would be better spent convincing us Mutant is scum to which he still hasn't provided a reason beyond AA9 being a mislynch as a counterwagon to mutant. This change in Pine caring about the game started around the time LLD entered so I'm not sure if the coincidence is significant or not yet.

Bullshit to the bolded. People aren't perfect and noble; they stay in games they want to play in.

Again, this sort of thing happens ALL THE TIME. You fucks shitpost all day while the adults have work, school, children, and real lives, and then you condescend to us as if we're lazy for not having the time to catch up to a 70+ page game.

The AA9 lynch is LAZY, and ignores people who have actually been scummy.

[Pine]

Again, this sort of thing happens ALL THE TIME. You fucks shitpost all day while the adults have work, school, children, and real lives, and then you condescend to us as if we're lazy for not having the time to catch up to a 70+ page game.

Says an admitted shitposter.

I very rarely shitpost. In this game I fucked around a bit because that was what a lot of us were doing, and I usually suck at sorting on D1. I skimmed a lot of the first half of the game because it was pretty devoid of useful content.

Don't pull out the "yeah but" argument. It's a very bad strategy to point out someone else's alleged flaws to distract from the weaknesses in your own case. Just because I dicked around a bit this game doesn't make AA9 scum for having a hard time keeping up.

[Pine]

Yeah, and I stopped. You're focusing on the minutia, and ignoring the broader thrust of my point. That isn't a valid rhetorical tactic.

[Pine]

Pine, I agree with your points, mostly, but at what point do we lynch a never contributing aa9?

Because its not like the volume of posts is gonna decrease significantly.

Last game i played with that aa9 the exact same thing happened. extra effort was promised but never came, resulting in a later game lynch on the slot. It was done as town tmaa9 that game, but its not like that means its ai this game.

I have no faith whatsoever that contribution is ever gonna come. A lynch is gonna happen on the slot regardless.

Not on D1. Probably not on D2. D1 is usually the toughest, and D2 is usually half the pace. D3 is often 1/3 the pace. At that point, there's no excuse, and it becomes suspicious.

When and if the lack of contribution actually manifests, we can talk about it. Until then, we have actual scummy players to investigate and lynch. On my agenda are Mutant and Vaxkiller, with Cheeky, LLD, Fire, and Reck previously dealt with. Also valid agendas would include sorting Alisae, Hyung and, frankly, you. I could also get behind pressuring hiplop, Penguin, and either Gamma, all of whom are similarly-low content slots which you seem to have no problem with. In fact, it's *really* suspicious that there's such an easy wagon on AA9, but no one wants to pressure any of those people. Personally, I find it to be tantamount to proof that she's Town.

[Pine]

Something feels off about you, love. I haven't focused in on it to sort that concern, but you're tingling my spider sense.

[Pine]

Yeah, that's my concern. A quiet Alisae is a "something's not right" Alisae.

Again, this isn't a SR. It's a concern that hasn't been sorted...

...so convince me.

[Pine]

Pine, I agree with your points, mostly, but at what point do we lynch a never contributing aa9?

Because its not like the volume of posts is gonna decrease significantly.

Last game i played with that aa9 the exact same thing happened. extra effort was promised but never came, resulting in a later game lynch on the slot. It was done as town tmaa9 that game, but its not like that means its ai this game.

I have no faith whatsoever that contribution is ever gonna come. A lynch is gonna happen on the slot regardless.

Not on D1. Probably not on D2. D1 is usually the toughest, and D2 is usually half the pace. D3 is often 1/3 the pace. At that point, there's no excuse, and it becomes suspicious.

When and if the lack of contribution actually manifests, we can talk about it. Until then, we have actual scummy players to investigate and lynch. On my agenda are Mutant and Vaxkiller, with Cheeky, LLD, Fire, and Reck previously dealt with. Also valid agendas would include sorting Alisae, Hyung and, frankly,

you

. I could also get behind pressuring hiplop, Penguin, and either Gamma, all of whom are similarly-low content slots which you seem to have no problem with. In fact, it's *really* suspicious that there's such an easy wagon on AA9, but no one wants to pressure any of those people. Personally, I find it to be tantamount to proof that she's Town.

Is there any reason why the entirety of the playerlist except <AA9, Vecna, NSG> are mentioned here?

Also, what do you mean by Cheeky, LLD, Fire, and Reck being previously dealt with?

The entirety of the playerlist except NSG is mentioned. The bolded 'you' refers to Vecna, and the entire premise of the post is a discussion about AA9. NSG has been on extended/intermittent V/LA and gets a broad pass for now. Curiously, you are also not addressed, but fail to mention that. As for the 'previously sorted' group, I was clearly talking about my own reads. I had just said that they weren't on MY agenda.

Close reading is hard, I know.

[Pine]

I have a WoD RPG to run today, but once that concludes, I will be resuming my catchup.

In the meantime, I also want some answers from Pine regarding his reads, because they seem very pell mell. Basically, Pine: You gave a list of names in 1821. I want to know a little bit about each one and where your head is at wrt them, and I want some evidence in the form of posts and or interactions that supports how you came to these conclusions.

Essentially, I want to see your mental concept here. I need to see the progression of your thought.

I appreciate this desire, but the level of work involved in giving detailed reads on virtually every player in a large with citations and examples is not in the cards today. I have some other on-site obligations that I've been postponing, followed by housework, dinner, and date night with the very pregnant Lady Pine. Pinecone is due in 18 days!

I'm not begging off entirely, but it's not happening rn. Ask me again tomorrow.

PE: Mostly gut. Lately I've been developing a feel for Fire that I hope is verging on the ability to soulread him. Regardless, he's not the D1 lynch imo.

[Pine]

It's less that people were excluded or were given a pass, more that most people came to mind.

You seem mostly to be dicking around, which seems null-Town to me. Come to think of it, we've played scum together a couple of times (I think?) and this doesn't feel like it.

[Pine]

I have a WoD RPG to run today, but once that concludes, I will be resuming my catchup.

In the meantime, I also want some answers from Pine regarding his reads, because they seem very pell mell. Basically, Pine: You gave a list of names in 1821. I want to know a little bit about each one and where your head is at wrt them, and I want some evidence in the form of posts and or interactions that supports how you came to these conclusions.

Essentially, I want to see your mental concept here. I need to see the progression of your thought.

I appreciate this desire, but the level of work involved in giving detailed reads on virtually every player in a large with citations and examples is not in the cards today. I have some other on-site obligations that I've been postponing, followed by housework, dinner, and date night with the very pregnant Lady Pine. Pinecone is due in 18 days!

I'm not begging off entirely, but it's not happening rn. Ask me again tomorrow.

PE: Mostly gut. Lately I've been developing a feel for Fire that I hope is verging on the ability to soulread him. Regardless, he's not the D1 lynch imo.

Take your time and congratulations, of course. This all said, if this game drags too long, we'll end up straight fucked.

So please, take your time, no pressure, but if you can't do this in some amount of reasonable time, perhaps consider your life is too busy to continue?

But yeah, sorry about that.

I'm not saying 'a few weeks from now,' I'm saying gimme a day or two to put together the wall you're asking for. And thanks!

Cheeky reads scum to me. Anyone interested punching her ?

Yes. Lynch? Nah. I'm reading it as frenetic Town.

And you're kind of embarrassing me here. I've gone to the mat for your inactivity, and that's all you've got?

[Pine]

Then start a petition to have her force-replaced. I'd even sign it.

[Pine]

VOTE: Arc

I'm tired, and don't really feel like reading through tonight.

p-edit

You can't vote to force replace a slot.

PP wolfy.

Yeah this.

[Pine]

I want to lynch like half the people in this game.
Most of them for not game related reasons

What’s wrong with me

You're a well-balanced person, that's what's wrong. Half the people in this game I could get behind PLing if there weren't other priorities.

[Pine]

Pandering?

Alternatively, if you told me Cheeky used a loaded d20 to assign reads, I'd believe you.

[Pine]

I also wouldn't be surprised if you were using a loaded d20. You're still on probation for your softclaim.

[Pine]

That is not how lynchbait works.

Only the dumb monkeys take the bait. You seem to want to eagerly grab for it.



Be a smart monkey. Run away with the bait.

[Pine]

Ali

Lynch Vax with me.

[Pine]

I reques an off-
oh wait
VOTE: Vax

This is a good post.

[Pine]

Awesome.

Now I'm worried about cheeky traitor shenanigans.

[Pine]

Firebringer. Obviously.

[Pine]

I'd like people's thoughts on scum!brian.

Pine? Firebringer?

I've given my read. I've played on the same scumteam as Brian a couple of times, this doesn't feel like it.

Fire, sheep me onto Vax or no Fire Stone treats for you.

[Pine]

No

[Pine]

[Pine]

Replace out or play the fucking game

[Pine]

AA9 is not the lynch today, though if she keeps up this shit I'll drop my resistance to it D2 on policy grounds.

Cheeky is definitely not the lynch today.

Lots of people vote-parking in those two wagons.

Vote Vax

[Pine]

I request an official moderator vote count.

[Pine]

Because of your red role pm

[Pine]

I'm a day cop. Deal with it

[Pine]

I'm not really a day cop you twit.

I do note that your first instinct is not to refute, but to discredit. That's almost as good as an actual day cop result.

[Pine]

I request an official moderator vote count.

you just used up the last one

A) Blame Hyung
B) We should have been credited a couple more when the day was extended
C) There's only two days left anyway
D) I'll volunteer to provide 100% accurate VCs from UTs post on. I thought we had two left
E) Blame Hyung

[Pine]

Obviously my bad. There are worse things in the world. Like I said, I'll pick up the slack.

[Pine]

Wait, so you completely hadn't even started reading until now?

You're really doing me an embarrass for defending you.

[Pine]

LLD, stop

Hyung is a bit of a troll, and I'd be happy to PL them with you. They'd be a really solid policy vig, too.

But there is absolutely no chance of rounding up a lynch there with two days left.

Vote Vax with me.

[Pine]

LLD, stop

Hyung is a bit of a troll, and I'd be happy to PL them with you. They'd be a really solid policy vig, too.

what the fuck

You wasted our vote counts, you haven't done jack shit, you're voteparked on a non-wagon, and you're generally trolling. So yeah, I'd be delighted to get rid of you, if not for better targets.

[Pine]

LLD, stop

Hyung is a bit of a troll, and I'd be happy to PL them with you. They'd be a really solid policy vig, too.

But there is absolutely no chance of rounding up a lynch there with two days left.

Vote Vax with me.

You don't get to complain about my choice.

You don't get to, when you almost lynched aa9 and fucking sunk this game into the depths of apathy.

I just caught scum for you. Does this look like this player is trolling to you? Are you going to defend them?

Because they're dying today. And you can either stand with me,

or I'll go through you

.

Your choice.

Are you reading the same game as I am? I'm the reason the AA9 wagon stopped, not a contributor to it.

There's two days left and the game is in apathy. Starting a brand new wagon on someone I don't actually agree is scummy doesn't make sense.

[Pine]

VOTE: AA9

Unproductive.

what the fuck is this ISO

why hasn't this player been replaced

Okay, this got me to actually read the AA9 ISO.

The AA9 wagon is a really super obviously transparent scum-driven counterwagon. Not sure if against Reck or Mutant, but this makes me want to take a REALLY hard look at the people on the AA9 wagon and how it developed.

My first posts mentioning AA9.

Not sure what game you're reading, LLD.

Right now, I'm not a huge fan of either of you.

You're both on vanity wagons, and your vote could do a lot more good on actual scum with actual support for a lynch.

Like Vax.

[Pine]

When you say things like "This got me to actually read the aa9 ISO" that means that prior to that you were ok with the apathy lynch on aa9. Am I wrong?

First of all, a lack of interest is not an expression of support.

Second, I credited you with making me sit up and pay attention.

Third, as soon as I saw the mounting momentum towards an apathy lynch, I did my homework and took action, becoming a crusader against it.

So please.

Tell me more about how the AA9 wagon is in any way my fault.

PE: I will be happy to wagon Hyung with you D2. My SOLE objection is that we have no chance of successfully doing so by day end.

[Pine]

Fair deal.

VOTE: Hyung

Alright, listen up, Town.

LLD and I are now the official founders of the Town bloc.

We are lynching Hyung.

All vanity wagons are now off-limits. Continue to be stubborn at your peril.

[Pine]

Actually now I feel like this is wolfpine
Eh fuck it fuck me

This is 100% not scum!Pine

So much easier to just stay the course on Vax.

Taking a chance here that this jump-starts this frozen game.

[Pine]

Me too.

[Pine]

I would gladly burn 2/3 of this game at the stake.

[Pine]

Vecna

Vote Hyung

[Pine]

Reck, AA9 is not on the table today. She would have happened by now.

You've said you wanted to see Hyung policy'd. Put your money where your mouth is.

[Pine]

Hyung.

Whether you find them scummy, trollish, or just policy, it's a good compromise for this shit show of a D1.

[Pine]

How about you defend your Hyung TR. I just searched your ISO, and it came out of nowhere with scant explanation.

[Pine]

BBmolla replaces Gamma Emerald

Hey I like this dude

U bring me the best replacements UT

Because of all of the replacements I will give you a one time special extra official votecount

BUT NO EXTRA TIME YOU LOQUACIOUS MOTHERFUCKERS

HAAAAAAAAAATE

But thanks for the extra VC, it was my bad BUT BLAME HYUNG

[Pine]

LLD, our deal is off.

I straight want Hyung's blood now.

Lynch Vax with me D2.

[Pine]

Ive been thinking about you alot pine. Why do you want Hyungs blood? So its no longer a policy lynch? What changed since this:

LLD, stop

Hyung is a bit of a troll, and I'd be happy to PL them with you. They'd be a really solid policy vig, too.

But there is absolutely no chance of rounding up a lynch there with two days left.

Vote Vax with me.

Mostly Hyung's response to being wagoned.

Also hilariously unsurprised by the distraction from Vax.

[Pine]

Yeah I have a ton in my ISO that's more sophisticated than shade and empty votes. You're just obsessing over my lean case on you, bruv.

[Pine]

BB there's no time. There's a day and change until deadline. Vote with me for Hyung, I promise it's the best vote today

[Pine]

Goddammit, BB

[Pine]

We've tried to run up scummier people all day with no success. This is the compromise.

Would you consider Vax?

[Pine]

Ok so BB!scum

[Pine]

Yeah but your reads are immediately bad and serve scummy purposes.

[Pine]

Yeah but your reads are immediately bad and serve scummy purposes.

Explain

You're pushing AA9, a no-information lurker lynch, while suddenly TRing Vax and Hyung, the only viable alternatives.

Scummy.

[Pine]

I didn't have a read on GEmerald. Sudden TRs happen, ofc, but his only three reads are on those? In exactly the least useful and least informative orientation? Nah. Scum. His buddies told him where to focus.

[Pine]

It's a good place to start.

[Pine]

Also still interested in Mutant, maybe Reck and Vecna

[Pine]

Also still interested in Mutant, maybe Reck and Vecna

Be honest with yourself. There is not a lynch you cant get behind.

In a game this size, we expect four scum. Six SRs is not unreasonable.

And if I were down with any lynch, I’d have let AA9 go through instead of fighting tooth and nail against it.

[Pine]

Seriously, UT. With two new replacements, Penguin MIA, and AA9 as good as, we could really use an extension. It is not the fault of the active players that others are being lazy.

[Pine]

Me too, but we don't have anything like a consensus.

[Pine]

VOTE: Vecna

Willing to compromise

[Pine]

Plz NK me Reck

[Pine]

New Votecounter: Pine

Fuck you bish

wait no

New Votecounter: ArcAngel9

let's just pick someone so this DOESN'T FUCKING DRAG ON MORE
WHY WOULD UT MAKE IT SO END OF DAY IS THE VOTECOUNTER CHANGE
THEN IF THE VOTECOUNTER DIES OVERNIGHT WE HAVE TO DO THIS AGAIN

Fuck you TWICE for this

[Pine]

VOTE: LLD for Votecounter

Don't want it. Want someone I trust.

[Pine]

I roleblocked NSG, and she also won a role which has fantastic utility for scum

VOTE: NSG

Get wrecked, scum.

[Pine]

Also, the way the Vecna flashwagon went down at day end makes me think my reads D1 were complete trash, and that wagon was mostly or entirely Town. I think that also makes the alternatives to Vecna yesterday are also likely locktown, specifically AA9, hyung, and Vaxkiller.

Also, I received a pair of highly suspicious Google Glass without instructions last night so...uhhh...

New phone, who dis?

[Pine]

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right✔there ✔✔if i do ƽaү so my self i say so thats what im talking about right there right there ʳᶦᵍʰᵗ ᵗʰᵉʳᵉ mMMMMᎷМ
НO0ОଠOOOOOОଠଠOoooᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒ Good shit

...What are you, 4Loco?

[Pine]

Also also,

@Mod: Immediate emergency V/LA. Lady Pine and I about to leave for the hospital to welcome baby Pinecone! Yayyyy! I may or may not check in over the next couple of days, depending on how often I can/need to take a break from being a new dad. Posting should stabilize over the next week or so.

Break out the cigars!

Update: Home from the hospital, baby not quite ready yet. V/LA not rescinded, we could be headed back at practically any time, likely within the next 36 hours.

Full updates in the Speakeasy.

[Pine]

Pish posh. I labeled that it wasn't an open link

[Pine]

-No kill

-You were still voteparked on AA9 at a photo finish deadline lynch on scum

-You also won the votecounter role, which has fabulous utility for scum to manipulate things

-I roleblocked you, which would explain the stopped kill

[Pine]

I was actually thinking about roleblocking no one, as Town RB is a reeeeeeally marginal utility. More likely to block a Town PR in early days than do anything to scum.

But NSG hanging out on the AA9 wagon, plus active lurking all D1...figured it was worth a shot.

-You also won the votecounter role, which has fabulous utility for scum to manipulate things

This point is meaningless unless you're also making the claim that mutant and/or vax, my scumbuddies, voted me fore it.

-I roleblocked you, which would explain the stopped kill

Do you truly believe it's the only explanation?

Actually, I ALSO scumread Mutant, but that's for another day. Vax I'm not so sure of anymore, as he was a main alternate to Vecna.

And my roleblock is AN explanation to the stopped kill, even if it isn't the ONLY one.

I feel like Town!NSG would recognize the necessity of following this thread, even if it's wrong. See my reaction to being accused of being a SK as the Vig in NY211. When you're Town and you're falsely accused with very solid reasons, you accept the necessity of your own non-survival.

PE: Also, I do not feel the "No VTs in this game" argument is valid. It's cheap and easy to slam this lynch home with, but I doubt it's true.
PE2: I just explained! Oh you haven't read this post yet. Get out of my head, Alibae.

[Pine]

NSG - How do you expect us to speculate the no night kill from the mafia.

I expect people to be honest with themselves in that a roleblocker being the only explanation for a lack of a nightkill isn't likely (and, fmpov, is confirmed false).

I would send NSG to do the kill if I was a wolf tbh.

That also factored in to my decision and the analysis of the no-kill. She makes sense.

[Pine]

Whoever gave me Google Glass, please say so. I'd like someone to blame if these things rot my skull

[Pine]

Honestly D1 was mostly trash. I'd read from page 90 or so. That's when it got interesting.

Current analysis revolves around the trash wagon against your predecessor for lurking, with a lot of Townreads coming out of the last-minute flashwagon on scum Vecna.

[Pine]

Yeah, Town!NSG wouldn’t be happy, but she’d get the necessity. This is a scum response.

[Pine]

LLD where are you at with your Hyung read?

[Pine]

Yeah, Town!NSG wouldn’t be happy, but she’d get the necessity. This is a scum response.

What are you basing this conclusion off of?

I can't remember a single time that I've accepted my own lynch as town. The opposite, in fact.

It’s not a meta read on you. It’s a “this is good townplay” read.

[Pine]

I tr NSG and Brian dear God help me

Defend your NSG TR?

Non hostile inquiry. I TR the fuck out of you rn

[Pine]

i dont care if it feels like a mislynch. it very well could be.
at least then we know pine's claim is irrelevant.

info analysis says it has to die to sort out other claims that come in

nsg gets lynched today

Yeah, I’m sorry Ali.

I almost pulled my vote off because I trust your instincts, but Reck is right. Mechanically speaking, we have to follow through.

[Pine]

No.

Mollie has a clean slate.

Fire, should I be wearing these awesome glasses?

[Pine]

Why aren’t I’m a fruit vendor Brass literally sent in Little Caesars as his pick wtf.

This is concerning me. Are you saying that you're actually a VT?

no I’m a CopDocingNeighbourizer that can also shoot people

LIAR!

And we lynch all liars.

VOTE: Alisae

Can we lynch this tomorrow?

In response to this

[Pine]

Titus voting Pine reminds me of me so much. Titus will probably be offended to be lowered to such a station as Vaxkiller thinking, but there are so many times where I KNOW i caught scum becuase of info I've found and I am so wrong... luckily everyone ignores me!

Titus I've seen you do fucking awesome in some games , but lately it's been pretty lack-luster. I was scum reading pine too, but for him to be scum here would be pretty outlandish. More than likely he would have had to plan this out with his scum team, to not kill anyone then frame someone.... to what end? If he frames a someone then he will be suspect, on top of that other sources are likely to come forth with claims on the contrary, on top of that he would ahve likely had to plan it in advance which would mean the scum would choose to not kill.... I cant image a scum team doing that. Right now im thinking Pine and NSG are both town and brian was shot.

To be fair, I feel this is in my scumrange.

Also, what the fuck definition of "Occam" is Titus using? Occam's rusty pocketknife, developed by William of Occam's less-well-known-for-a-reason kid brother Stevie-Ray of Occam?

[Pine]

correct

which is why we'll never know his claim to be true or not

pay attention

Thank you

[Pine]

NSG flips Town: We know Brian is Town (or at least not Mafia), and that his BP is expired.

NSG flips scum: Yay! Dead scum! Lack of kill likely explained, probTown Brian has a shield

[Pine]

Reck get out of my head mmkay?

[Pine]

Ummm

Some joke about not swinging that way

Dammit I had something for this

[Pine]

Yeah, the most damning evidence is that in NSG were Town, she's AT LEAST acknowledge the rationality in what Reck's saying. Instead she's trying to handwave it away

This is classic scumflailing

FIREBRINGER do I put these glasses on or not? If they fry my brain I will be holding you responsible

[Pine]

i wont do that but thanks for the suggestion

gentle reminder: meta is trash

2017's Paragon disagrees.

2017’s Paragon is a Cylon. We don’t have the same kind of beep boop ability to sift mountains of data to eke out reads.

Anyone who says different is either arrogant (and likely wrong) or is selling something.

[Pine]

-No kill

-You were still voteparked on AA9 at a photo finish deadline lynch on scum

-You also won the votecounter role, which has fabulous utility for scum to manipulate things

-I roleblocked you, which would explain the stopped kill

I think you’re scum for these reasons. The fact that you lurked through D1, had scummy interaction with Vecna, and are stubbornly refusing to acknowledge the legitimacy of the points against you is icing.

It’s not that you don’t want to be lynched, or that you have a strategic difference, it’s the legitimacy attack on the points that is the problem. I mean, hell, you just did it again by boiling my case down to “Disagree with Reck”

[Pine]

Sorry, I’m posting between contractions. I don’t have half an hour or more to sit down and craft a comprehensive case

[Pine]

I'm surprised you're even posting at all, to be honest.

I need the distraction

Even if you're all still going to lynch me the day should not end before Cheeky gets back.

stalling

This

I could go for a mutant lynch, as im pretty sure he’s NSG’s partner

Hey Mutant, why’d you vote NSG for vote captain?

[Pine]

Occam's is that Pine = Lightning rod

he’s a claimed roleblocker Titus

Pine claimed rber...yet scum wanted him to have the glass over Fire? Why would scum redirect all actions from one town (Pine) to another town (me)? That makes no sense.

Titus voting Pine reminds me of me so much. Titus will probably be offended to be lowered to such a station as Vaxkiller thinking, but there are so many times where I KNOW i caught scum becuase of info I've found and I am so wrong... luckily everyone ignores me!

Titus I've seen you do fucking awesome in some games , but lately it's been pretty lack-luster. I was scum reading pine too, but for him to be scum here would be pretty outlandish. More than likely he would have had to plan this out with his scum team, to not kill anyone then frame someone.... to what end? If he frames a someone then he will be suspect, on top of that other sources are likely to come forth with claims on the contrary, on top of that he would ahve likely had to plan it in advance which would mean the scum would choose to not kill.... I cant image a scum team doing that. Right now im thinking Pine and NSG are both town and brian was shot.

This post is convoluted.

@Mollie Fire is my biggest TR atm.

So...not Occam's rusty pocket knife, then.

You're going with Occam's Flint-knapped Spearhead. Classic.

[Pine]

I'd refute Titus fully, but pass. Her logic is 100% based on me being a lightning rod instead of roleblocker, which is dumb. Occam's says redirector.

-My roleclaim and push on NSG makes no sense as lightning rod
-Announcing the receipt of the Google Glass and demanding to know who sent it and its function makes no sense
-Why the hell wouldn't I just shut the fuck up as a LR?

Most importantly:

-Existence of a lightning rod would preclude the success of any protective or roleblocking ability to stop the kill. The fact that there was no kill is damn near proof that there is no lightning rod

Ergo, someone redirected Firebringer's actions to me.

Stop being obtuse

[Pine]

Also your suggestion that the votecounter role is negative utility for scum is false. The votecounter is allowed to lie and manipulate the count at will, and may further SECRETLY vote via their PT with UT

It's actually a rather strong role for scum, and if I were scum I'd have made sure we got it. There was no warning that the voting would be public, so it's entirely likely they all piled on to their choice. Makes me want to dismiss the pass I gave Vax for being an EOD wagon

[Pine]

"Slight" TR on Titus for moonlogic?

This is a hardcore TownTitus

Her logic is terrible, but Town

[Pine]

@Titus



I made a meme just for you <3

[Pine]

Titus moon logic

[Pine]

And I think it's a Town!Titus opinion

[Pine]

aww man pine are you scum

Nope!

I just don’t see scum!Titus going this far out on a limb to push this dumb a theory.

See, coming up with a wild-ass theory is easy when you’re paranoid Town. Inventing a wild-ass theory as scum is hard...that’s why it’s easier to tell lies that are 90% truth.

Titus’s theory is eye-rolling dumb. But I think she believes it.

[Pine]

You’re pretty obviously ateing. All that woe is me I’m so inno LAMIST crap fooled Alisae, but not me.

[Pine]

As I said before, thoroughly answering that would require sitting at a real computer and assembling quotes and examples and nonsense. Others have cited all of the above, though I’ll be happy to put it all together when I get home.

I’m in the hospital for the next two days. Maybe I’ll ask my sister to pick up my laptop when she feeds the cats and bring it today or tomorrow when she visits.

[Pine]

hot take

what if nsg and mutant are both scum

That’s my working theory

[Pine]

Sorry. Still waiting for NSG to answer my question.

This is a fucking shit reason to continue producing no content.

I'm being an order of magnitude more productive while on V/LA with a one-day-old who won't breastfeed.

[Pine]

VOTE: mutant

A great mind said if scum want to bus, help them.

Too bad they won't bus Pine.

<3 Titus