Product Placement Mafia (Game over!)

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i am the market

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fuck pepsi only mati

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which one of you fuckers is Citrus Mati?

I'm Blueberry Mati, get @ me

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ur all wrong

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pepsi is garbage

when i ask for a diet coke and servers are like IS PEPSI OKAY

i am fucking disgusted

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ye

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Also, 7-Up is far superior to Sprite.

can you fucking NOT

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VOTE: PenguinPower for his disgusting 7-Up opinions

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firebringer are you american

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lmao yeah only in america would the recommended treatment for illness be "drink carbonated sugary soda"

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im gonna vote tbone at deadline btw

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oh hai marq

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VOTE: Firebringer

Guess why

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My role will be conf to some people in this gam

Also I don't know that hyung is Marquis it just seems like w very Marquis alt and Marquis is queen of alts

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correct

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Okay here is my reads list:

1. xRECKONERx - town lean

2. PenguinPower - scum

3. mutantdevle - null

4. Pine - null

5. Gammagooey - scum

6. Gamma Emerald - town
7. hyung - town

8. CheekyTeeky - town

9. T-Bone - scum

10. Firebringer - scum lean

11. ArcAngel9 - scum lean
12. Vecna - scum lean
13. brassherald - scum

14. hiplop - town

15. Brian Skies - town
16. Vaxkiller - town

17. northsidegal - town

why are your colors reversed

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im still comfy on firebringer though cheeky makes a good temptation

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i didnt see it

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no that was incorrect

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tbone is always wishy washy and every win he has ever gotten has been because he got carried so i dont know how to answer your question also meta is trash

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im bored

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nah rolling scum is fun as shit bc i can just troll

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no im bored cant you read

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im good

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ugh everythings still an unreadable mush

an actual town read: Brian Skies
people I went through their iso a bit and decided I at least dont want to vote them right now: north, vaxkiller, gemereld

VOTE: Firebringer

he has seen the light

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hes not lets lynch him

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hyung is town

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penguin that seems to be uh an overreaction

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idk what your colors mean marquis

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apologies if you arent marquis im just gonna keep calling you that for my own sanity

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nah man

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i wish though bc this donothing town would be easy to stomp on

source: am donothing town

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fix me being scum? sorry man i cant

leverage the mod

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id be fine with cheekylynch too tbh

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i just...what're you asking

we have to burn official VCs to catch vecna if he's lying

we only have a limited pool

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uh i guess you are

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I request official votecount

what the christ are you doing

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no seriously hyung how does this accelerate day

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oh.
hm.
nevermind.

cheeky ill let you get your thoughts out on me before i hammer if you can do it asap

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Whatever, if Reck’s okay with it I don’t care.

VOTE: Cheeky

Hammer

i wasn't okay with it
it's why i explicitly asked for my iso read before i did anything

pine is scum

Reck, are you a doublevoter?

no, why

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cheeky id still like your read on me pls tia

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cheeky

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i dont care about meta on me i care about how you read my posts this game and what they mean

p.edit: shut up

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Were we not doing a fakehammer thing?

were we

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baby brain

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@cheeky: okay so like

1. my vote on firebringer was solely bc he had the highest post count at the time and i wanted to see what the hell would happen if i asked him to fill in the blank. thought it might catch out some dumbscum
2. i softclaimed because i softclaimed. it's a flavorclaim more than a roleclaim and it'll be obvious why later. my long relationship with UT is 99% of the reason
3. i have been operating on the hyung=marquis theory the whole game. granted hyung claims that he isn't marquis. but i just SO see it as a marquis style username and also marquis is famous for having a fuckload of alts and due to that, having paid CLOSE attention to marquis during team mafia (bc he was buddies with shea), i didnt see the brazen play as coming from scumMarquis. yes this is meta, fuck yourselves
4. idk what to say to this.
5. i dont think i can ever read tbone well. he just sits back forever and it's literally a coin flip on if he's town or scum. i cant read motivations because there arent any. that's why im hesitant.
6. yes, im holding back. because team mafia was :::::effort::::: and i hated every waking moment of it. i signed up for this due to april fools trolls and i intend to have fun

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Town:
CheekyTreeky, NSG, Brian Skies, Hyuung
Hiplop
Null
Everyone not listed
Scum lean-
Gamma Emerald, T-Bone
Scum-
Reckoner

this, though, is actual scum

i emptyvoted firebringer to make a point about spamposting and he has spent the game basically hedging around it until suddenly im at the top of the scumpile gee golly gosh gee whillikers

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jesus christ nsg i fucking hate your style of posting.

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it's everything.

it's the short responses.

it's the taking 10 posts to say what you could in 2.

then, it's the fact you wall post in between these things so i have to actually read a shitload.

it's the way you alternate between filler posting and shit i actually need to read to understand the game and figure you out.

i can't lump you in with spamposters because you wallpost.

i can't read every post you make because you spampost sometimes.

you make it an effort just to sort you.

LIKE FUCKING REALLY I JUST GOT NINJAD 3 TIMES WRITING THIS POST FUCK OFF

EDIT FOUR TIMES FUCK YOUR SHIT

EDIT AGAIN
FIVE TIMES
IF YOU FEEL THE NEED TO POST THAT MUCH YOU ARE WRONG

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2) u arenot top of my scum list because you were pushing me. You have been voting me basically all day. If this were omgus or related directly to your push it would have happened much sooner.

then please, for the love of christ, tell me why im at the bottom of your list

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firebringer isn't even right about why im bothered by nsg's posting style.
he literally just saw a chance to jump in and try to gain towncred by mediating

most comfortable place for scum to be is mediating between two town who have beef

VOTE: Firebringer

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Lmao @ Reck. But seriously I'm posting the same way so kind of unfair to attack NSG for it.

yes and im about to vote you

cheeky id still like your read on me pls tia

cheeky

i dont care about meta on me i care about how you read my posts this game and what they mean

p.edit: shut up

Were we not doing a fakehammer thing?

were we

baby brain

These are all why I think ur scum reck.
You don’t care about game state and are just looking for next day.

I don’t think ur apathetic Town.
I think ur scum just waiting for next day.

id ask you to do thought exercises to consider these posts but i dont want to cause you bodily harm

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Lmao @ Reck. But seriously I'm posting the same way so kind of unfair to attack NSG for it.

this post is important

VOTE: cheekyteeky

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and yes for the love of christ im looking for next day because d1 sucks asswipes and i want some info to go on

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Hey reck.

Voting Town all day isn’t doing something.
If that’s what your going for.

I know cheeky is the easy mislynch bait for you guys right now but it ain’t happening

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reck and fire are both jacking each other off with paranoia reads when neither of them have done enough to be an solid scum or town read to anyone who knows that they're both decent players

source needed

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where ja at

hyung i need to know why you were wasting our vc

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VOTE: CheekyTeeky

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i was already voting you oops

whatever

still open to voting hyung if he doesn't come back with a real good explanation for what he was doing

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gamma read me pls

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gamma's town

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Current lynchpool:

Hyung, FB, Reck, NSG, Tbone, Pine

People who I wouldn't mind getting lynched (policy):

AA9, Hiplop, mutant, brass

People I might lynch tomorrow:

Gooey, Penguin, Vax, Brian

Never lynching:
Gemerald, Vecna

funny how i was town till i started voting for you hmmmmmmm

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i didnt read the last 4 pages; what did i miss

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That sure is a replacement post

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I'm thoroughly whelmed

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man i tried to read 5 pages and i cant

but i did see alisae say something about me last page while skimming so..

alisae, how in the high fuckity hell do you post thoughts like this about me and follow it up with a town read???? nothing about the way you read me screams town

and to be completely honest it is really weirding me out because if you had just read me as scum id be like "oh alisae, wrong again" but it would at least be internally consistent with your own posts
but this? this is like you reading me as scumlike 100% and then going "lol he's town and im pocketed" which means either you're scum or im stuck in memetown, bizarroland, USA

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why is 827 the type of stuff that town posts

also meta is trash, i dont have a town game or scum game

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VOTE: alisae

i dont believe u

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PenguinPower is town.

Just saying.

this is bad

say why

also nobody was talking about pp so you tossing out a read into the void is garbage meant to look helpful

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i would also flashwagon firebringer a++++

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i would also flashwagon firebringer a++++

T—Bone and Gammagooey what do you think of their latest posts?

gamma is town probably or will sort himself later as badscum and i get pings of town from him for his posting style so far

tbone idfk he's replacing out at the end of the day and i find tbone almost impossible to read in any situation. i would still lolhammer him if he got to L1 but it may be prudent to wait on a replacement to clear up some stuff ab the slot

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this feels disgusting but arcanine is back on the menu so let's go

VOTE: firebringer

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oh look at fb ateing and being pouty

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Is this one of those 1v1 trade things where if one flips town we lynch the other? And if so, do you expect us to really honor that?

No.

It’s more just something I want.


Pretty sure scumreck will go to endgame and win if not dealt with
And pretty sure I get mislynched mid game if not dealt with today

So I am just saving myself time here

luckily im not scum so ill get NKed like i always do

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Whatever, if Reck’s okay with it I don’t care.

VOTE: Cheeky

Hammer

i wasn't okay with it
it's why i explicitly asked for my iso read before i did anything

pine is scum

Reck, are you a doublevoter?

no, why

firebringer isn't even right about why im bothered by nsg's posting style.
he literally just saw a chance to jump in and try to gain towncred by mediating

most comfortable place for scum to be is mediating between two town who have beef

VOTE: Firebringer

Lmao @ Reck. But seriously I'm posting the same way so kind of unfair to attack NSG for it.

this post is important

VOTE: cheekyteeky

hyung is town

Hey Reck can you explain where your Pine is scum certainty disappeared to?

I was really confused by you TRing Hyung > Wanting to lynch me > Calling Pine scum for derp hammering me > Jumping on Fire > Voting north > Voting me in rapid succession.

It would be nice to know how you feel about Pine, Hyung and NSG now.

where did i say it disappeared

i had a read on pine. i still have a read on pine. im just chasing a ton of people i think should be lynched at once.

tbh the best way to explain my progression is i tend to mostly check this game late at night when im 2 bottles of wine deep so i go purely off of gut instinct because i just dont have time to check it during the day anymore due to a big boy promotion at work

so like, i believe the things i say when i say them, i just dont remember ive said them the next day

disclaimer: this is another one of those posts

pine is still scum. hyung is lurkaderp and it makes my townread on hyung fade. i dont even remember why i voted north so ill have to go back and try to jostle my memory

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I want to sheep Gamma on T-Bone also considering my prior read on T-Bone was that he was wolfy.
But at the same time I have paranoia that Gamma is adapting his reads to fit the table even though the logic he is presenting is extremely reasonable
I also want to sheep Fire on Reck because I feel like what Fire is saying genuinely makes sense.

Mafia is a fucking hard game

THIS

DOESN'T

MAKE

SENSE

alisae went from posting a case about why im scum to declaring me town in the very next post to defending the townread on me when i pressured to suddenly fence sitting about my read and blaming in on firebringer

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does anyone have a reason that isn't undefined paranoia for wanting to lynch reck

cause instead of firebringer's vision of the future where he gets lynched midgame and reck coasts to victory i just see us lynching a decent probably town player and then the game either being abandoned because half the players in it aren't playing it or some fucking terrible mid/endgame where the majority of mutant/arc/hiplop/hyung are still alive and basically impossible to read

Why do you think this is a TvT?

I wouldn't be incredibly surprised if I was wrong but I'm not just not scumreading either of you yet. you're being standard firebringer and recks being standard reck. reck doesn't like your playstyle regardless of what your alignment is, you're paranoid or faking paranoia about reck being good at scum for the reason that he is in fact quite good at scum. it doesn't seem like a particularly unusually or interesting thing is happening here.

two issues:
1- meta is garbage
2- what sort of authority or experience do you even have with me / firebringer to be able to make a claim like that

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tbone is always wishy washy and every win he has ever gotten has been because he got carried so i dont know how to answer your question also meta is trash

Reck makes a meta argument on why he has no read on T-Bone and I think this is done in a way to not hold strong opinion on T-Bone.

nah rolling scum is fun as shit bc i can just troll

Seems like a relaxed troll post but I think reck town wouldn’t say this to hiplop. Or at least not like this.

firebringer isn't even right about why im bothered by nsg's posting style.
he literally just saw a chance to jump in and try to gain towncred by mediating

most comfortable place for scum to be is mediating between two town who have beef

VOTE: Firebringer

This was just reaching in a way to feel like scumhuntingg

This makes a bs claim about what scum would be positioning themselves
Then votes me for it, he also gets wrong what I was doing but that’s kind of irrelevant

you fuck

1) that isn't a meta argument. it's me stating my inability and lack of skill to be able to read someone like tbone who imo doesn't commit any behavioral tells.
2) why wouldn't i say that as town. why wouldn't i be relaxed as town. this sure is cool dumb shit you're posting
3) i think 100% it's easy for scum to wade into the middle of something and try to play as mediator. it's why i think scum tends to call something "town v town" more often than not. ive posted this bit of my theory so many times before but the tldr is that it's easier for scum to point out who is town than it is for scum to take a stance and call someone scum so they tend to play the mediator role in tvt arguments

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so AA9 has flaked as town before fyi
I think she's just another serial flaker a la momo

gee, thanks for the update

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Why are you voting Fire and not pushing Pine?

Also, congrats XD I like your style.

because they're both scum but a firebringer flashwagon was happening so i gave it my support

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any of mutant, pine, cheeky, tbone, firebringer, arcangel can die today and id be happy

there's very few people in the player list id be sad to see die d1 actually

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mostly

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@reck-you said you didn't like his spamposting and i'm assuming you've either played with him at least once before or read one of his games and know that it's a big chunk of his playstyle.

im assuming you're not asking why i think you're good at scum because that's a stupid question but if you want it answered let me know

1- okay, that makes sense. it just seemed like you were claiming some authority or something
2- actually yes, i would like an answer on this

Reck what do you think about Alisae?

alisae can die too
progression on me is horrible

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two issues:
1- meta is garbage
2- what sort of authority or experience do you even have with me / firebringer to be able to make a claim like that

1 and 2 are hilariously disconnected.

Reck says fuck meta than asks for the meta lol
“Like your meta is garbage but where did you get it?!”

yes they are

because 2 isn't asking for meta

2 is digging into what i perceived to be a blatant lie from gamma

i dont give a fuck about WHAT meta says, but if someone's gonna try to make a bullshit appeal to authority, im gonna peel it back and try to see if it has any scum motivation behind it

this is what we call "playing mafia well" instead of "misreading entire posts and then being a dick about it"

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1) that isn't a meta argument. it's me stating my inability and lack of skill to be able to read someone like tbone who imo doesn't commit any behavioral tells.

It is meta argument and your using meta to argue it isn’t.

Meta is how a person behaves given their past behavior which is predictive by their personality.
You saying X doesn’t behave like Y

Is saying that person has a history of not playing in a certain way
You are using meta you fuckwit

meta is saying "this person behaves this way, therefore they are this alignment"

I'm saying "T-Bone is unreadable for me because of how he's playing, and this is a recurring theme for me"

I'm not reading t-bone because of previous play, I'm reading him because of behavioral tells in this game that do not apply to only t-bone

learn what fucking words you're using

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id be fine with cheekylynch too tbh

oh.
hm.
nevermind.

cheeky ill let you get your thoughts out on me before i hammer if you can do it asap

Whatever, if Reck’s okay with it I don’t care.

VOTE: Cheeky

Hammer

i wasn't okay with it
it's why i explicitly asked for my iso read before i did anything

pine is scum

Reck, are you a doublevoter?

no, why

This feels very weird. Reck is happy to lynch me > Pine fake hammers > Reck was not happy to lynch me and says Pine is scum.

Why are you voting Fire and not pushing Pine?

Also, congrats XD I like your style.

because they're both scum but a firebringer flashwagon was happening so i gave it my support

Still says Pine is scum and yet...

any of mutant, pine, cheeky, tbone, firebringer, arcangel can die today and id be happy

there's very few people in the player list id be sad to see die d1 actually

Includes me as a Policy Lynch and has never pushed Pine. I don't know why someone who claims he's confident that Fire and Pine are scum would then give a pool of players to lynch from that include policy lynches. After he claimed Pine was scum he essentially avoided him and voted both Fire and I for very iffy reasons. It's confusing because tone says he's town but intent and logic say he's not. With 3 days left he's doing little to promote wagons he believes in.

I think this is the best lynch for today.

are you incapable of understanding that people can have multiple scumreads or are you just dense

i said id be fine with a lynch on you and SPECIFICALLY STATED i wanted you to get your thoughts out first
Pine flew in the face of that when he fakehammered you, giving me a scum read on him
i was upset i didnt get a chance to engage with you further to see if i could read you

i would not be upset if you were lynched because you're a fucking spambot and i dont like playing with those. day 1 is the best and usually only time to get a policy lynch on someone like that so i am fine if we head that direction

im apathetic enough about who dies today because i dont fucking care because there are too many people and too many spammers and i feel like im literally just getting out of RVS because this game has been a chore thus far. im not gonna waste any effort pushing anything because i dont care enough about any of it and im not filled w/ conviction about my opinions/reads

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i think aa9 is town and i would still hammer that in a fucking heartbeat

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I'm not convinced Reck. Sure you want me lynched for spamming but you've still yet to explain how me defending the playstyle of NSG "is important" like you said when you initially voted me, How you've never tried to sort Pine or Alisae, why you're being defensive instead of convincing people about the FB lynch etc. It's pretty easy to cherry pick my points and ignore the points you don't want to answer as scum.

Further I think you're a high info lynch as well as scum looking at all the reads and interactions around you. And lastly, I don't believe you and your tone.

i have gone back to that post so many times to try to understand my mindset at the time and i have no fucking clue

i made that post at 3am on a thurs night after staying up too late and drinking too much

the closest ive come is that i thought your alignment was somehow related to nsg's alignment due to your unprompted defense of her

but im not gonna sit here and say i fully understand what drunk me was thinking either

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i fucking hate the verb "sorted". it's a stupid buzzword. i get my reads. sometimes i wait and see what happens, sometimes i push them. as i literally just fucking said, i have zero conviction about anything this game and don't care enough to push things yet

i don't care who gets lynched

i really dont. ive said that already several times. so you acting like you've "caught" me somehow for not pushing my scumreads is moot. i am 100% not pushing my scumreads and it's an intentional decision because i dont care that much yet. no reads have lit a fire under my ass. i have nothing to yell and hammer people over the head with yet. so im not gonna.

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I hate the word 'reads.' It's a stupid buzzword. I prefer to sort people.

And given that my most frequent method is to copy/paste the player list and actually move them around into columns and piles, 'sorting' is the actual operative verb.

So eat me.

i hate it because "DURR HURR WHY ARENT U TRYIN 2 SORT PPL" is the rallying warcry of idiocy with this generation of the meta and what they mean is "why aren't you pressing anyone"

get off my lawn

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I hate the word 'reads.' It's a stupid buzzword. I prefer to sort people.

And given that my most frequent method is to copy/paste the player list and actually move them around into columns and piles, 'sorting' is the actual operative verb.

So eat me.

i hate it because "DURR HURR WHY ARENT U TRYIN 2 SORT PPL" is the rallying warcry of idiocy with this generation of the meta and what they mean is "why aren't you pressing anyone"

get off my lawn

Aha, but you're ascribing to me what you hate about others. I like the verb 'to sort,' but I reject the baggage you associate with it.

We're kind of on the same page here with regard to whippersnappers, we just have a vocabulary disagreement.

<3 scumReck.

i ascribed nothing to you

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reck can you vote someone actually lynchable plz

k VOTE: arcangel

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i don't think mutant plays a scumgame like this. obviously if he's playing one level deeper than i'm thinking then i'm totally off here but i don't think that's the case.

ur meta defense of someone nobody asked you for opinions of is really inspiring

I went through a stage of playing scum the way he is acting right now.

wow this is like beyond the pale levels of meta is garbage. it's not even meta on another player it's meta on yourself projected onto another player

i think vax is town though bc he realizes htis right afterwards

Btw if people decide to wagon Reck I'd be very happy but I'm pretty sure AA9 is active lurking, creature styles.

just to make sure i understand why you want to lynch me:
- you don't like that i have multiple scumreads and am not pushing all of them
- you don't like that i made a drunk post at 3am one night and dont remember the context for it
- you don't like that ive openly said i feel no convictions about my reads

that about right?

im not getting lynched today so let's pow wow, lynch someone on policy for either lurking or spamming, play some night games, and then figure this shit out tomorrow

p.edit: oh boy, 7 more days of hemming and hawing

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UT i love you booboo but adding a week onto the deadline for 1-2 replacements probably just officially murdered this game

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bring it on hun

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doing something specifically to get under someone else's skin & not defending your scum reads >>>>>>>>>>> way worse than anything ive done this game

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because youve been spamming and i think it's easier for scum to hide behind a spammy playstyle

you also defended nsg for no reason

you're one of the most prolific posters in the game and i have no sense of what you're doing or why so to me that could be alignment indicative

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conf. town

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also i was bitching to UT about how lazy he is this game and how he excused his laziness with a "mechanic" forcing players to do VCs and he said he has a PT where he's actually doing updates so

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ok so vecna has a mod PT with UT

cool beans

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hyung fuck you

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pine is scum

brian skies is bad idk what it means

lld i am glad to see you

fyi: my claim should be immediately obvious town to exactly 2 people in this game but we'll cross that bridge when we get to it

i legit want to kill pine now though, his hop on me is very gross
cheeky can also die for the false confidence in the read on me

VOTE: pine

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What was your claim?

fyi: my claim should be immediately obvious town to exactly 2 people in this game but we'll cross that bridge when we get to it

put on your thinkycap

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that will be clear when and if i claim

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I like recent reck. Didn't feel one way or the other before, but I like his recent posts.

which posts and why

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I feel like Reck resorting to a role that will make him obv town later as a defense with only two votes on him is a little meh?

ive already claimed this before

My role will be conf to some people in this gam

Also I don't know that hyung is Marquis it just seems like w very Marquis alt and Marquis is queen of alts

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I feel like Reck resorting to a role that will make him obv town later as a defense with only two votes on him is a little meh?

ive already claimed this before

My role will be conf to some people in this gam

Also I don't know that hyung is Marquis it just seems like w very Marquis alt and Marquis is queen of alts

Yeah but what Townie says this? How do you expect to not be killed now unless you're the one doing the killing?

The only intent I can see here is self-preservation.

if i soak up a kill then it's better than being mislynched

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uh why

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being clueless is NAI

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VOTE: arcangel i thought i did this already

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why is it bad

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counterwagon to who because youre voting mutant

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and by that I mean not attacking the townread players, but he seems to keep treating people in a way designed to make them unconfident in their reads particularly their townreads. and I think most good players should recognize that having a healthy set of townreads wins town the game

you mean i dont accept people who say "so-and-so is town" and make them use actual big boy words to describe

why

yes, how DASTARDLY of me

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But it sounds like she's having a hard time staying current.

then she needs to replace the fuck out
same with hiplop

they have 11/12 posts and the game has been going for 16 days

8 out of hiplop's 12 posts came in the first 24 hours of this game, which means he has posted 4 times in 15 days
3 of those other posts came on Apr 26 which were just 3 posts of him promising to read the game and be active
still nothing from him, but at least he had early game content, which is more than we can see for AA9

aa9's posts have been apologies about not reading coupled with whining about people voting her, which put her on a whole nother level from hiplop

she has promised to catch up this weekend. if she does and the content is okay, i will consider moving my vote elsewhere. if she doesn't, i'm not moving my vote.

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hyung still no explanation as to why he wasted our vcs

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hyung still no explanation as to why he wasted our vcs

They wanted to the day to go by faster.

"hyung still no explanation as to why he wanted the day to go faster"

They didn't want 70+ pages of total shit and figured we're not going to get anything meaningful on day 1 so wanted to force us to lynch quickly to get to day 2 where we'll have more information.



Congratulations. You can now read into hyung's motivation for this without having to wait for them and then ask another question after that.

F off for answering for them

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hyung still no explanation as to why he wasted our vcs

They wanted to the day to go by faster.

"hyung still no explanation as to why he wanted the day to go faster"

They didn't want 70+ pages of total shit and figured we're not going to get anything meaningful on day 1 so wanted to force us to lynch quickly to get to day 2 where we'll have more information.



Congratulations. You can now read into hyung's motivation for this without having to wait for them and then ask another question after that.

F off for answering for them

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all i want to get day 1 over with and just lynch scum before we get another 10 pages or god forbid 50, filled with the same dumb stuff that nobody is realistically going to dive back into later on.

the more i do this the more the day ends

those posts make no sense

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those posts make no sense

Can you not see how what I've quoted would be their answer to your question?

"the day ends faster if i waste our VCs" isn't a compelling or logical argument

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Reck how do you feel about Vax?

vax is fine overall but some of his posts have made me raise an eyebrow

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AA9 isn't posting in this game but she is posting in other games.
That is scummy.

Grow brains. there is a difference.
I have lot to catch up in this game and the games that i have been active are small ones.

I am finishing my catch up during the weekend.

Are you going to give us something to look forward to or are you just going to leave us empty handed again

During the weekend. I am caught with office work and can bareley come online like 10 to 15 mins.

To catch up a long game like this require time and patience.


And a whole lot of scum fuck are lurking in my wagon. I am so frustrated right now!!

Cheeky reads scum to me. Anyone interested punching her ?

Scum team is on my wagon.. We should keep an eye on everyone who is in my wagon.

yeah that's not a catch up.

my vote's parked.

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i mean she did show up

but those two posts aren't gonna cut it

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why am i at the top of your town list cheeky

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i mean it's weird bc i feel like they pretty closely match my reads list i havent made yet

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48:39
0:06 | 0:01 | 6:31 | 0:01
35:34
28:38
217:48
0:04 | 1:15
111:07

here's a list of all the times between hiplop's posts

other than his one day of burst activity, it has been basically 2 days to fucking 9 days for him to post

can we please get a goddamn replacement

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hyung is still town he's just a trolling idiot who should be policy vig'd or lynch'd for wasting our motherfucking votecounts like a bag of dicks because we can't ever be sure he wasn't just trolling scum and it was a BLATANTLY anti-town action

aa9's constant complaining and whining and wahhhhhhhhhhhh makes me want to skip whatever wallposts she just posted and honestly i dont see myself taking her too seriously but the skimming i did feels like someone actually trying to get a handle on the game. should still be policy'd


alisae's reaction to aa9 is really overblown and over the top and maybe faked

lld's reaction to hyung is genuine and i believe lld is mad that her contributions are being ignored by hyung (again, policy this please, vig)

re: brian's latest post...UT has been p lax as a mod. he let hiplop literally go 9 days without prodding him. i believe hiplop truly forgot, i dont think any of his behavior is alignment indicative at this point

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Reck is not in my desired lynchpool but I would be okay with his flip and I don't really think confirmability = town.

Also, his 'I would policy lynch hyung and AA9' but 'Hiplop's behavior isn't alignment indicative and I'm not interested there' feels kind of skeevy.

There has also been a constant stream of depthless analysis from him that I don't think anyone (outside of maybe Gooey) that should have a townlean here. And his constant whining that people have an issue with his play and aren't townreading him is very disappointing to me.

Hyung did mention Reck asked specifically for Hip's replacement, so sure, we can pretend there is some sort of association between these two slots.

why is that skeevy.
we're getting a replacement for hiplop. no need to policy lynch that slot unless some assclown replaces into it?
aa9/hyung aren't replacing out, so yes, i would be fine with them being policy

who are you referencing has a constant stream of depthless analysis?

Reck, AA9 is not on the table today. She would have happened by now.

You've said you wanted to see Hyung policy'd. Put your money where your mouth is.

sure.
VOTE: hyung

@gamma: why hiplop? he's getting replaced. i mean youre right, gamma emerald is too. but is our job to do UT's job for him and kill replaced slots so he doesn't have to find a replacement?

p.edit: wait how did hiplop get replaced before emerald?

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@UT: Status on Gamma Emerald replacement?

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Because of all of the replacements I will give you a one time special extra official votecount

BUT NO EXTRA TIME YOU LOQUACIOUS MOTHERFUCKERS

if anyone uses this i am going to vote park them

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@lld can you tell me why you think hyung is scum bc it'd make me way more comfortable leaving my vote there instead of doing the thing where i go chase other wagons

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ugh lld if youre getting in my blind spot again im gonna be sad

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i am paranoid of LLD because she almost pulled the wool over my eyes in team mafia and of anyone she knows how to butter me up

but i dont want to chase that paranoid tangent right now because it's not yet time for elmo gifs

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dont rob it of its power, lexi

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okay gonna go reread Always On, bbl

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i am paranoid of LLD because she almost pulled the wool over my eyes in team mafia and of anyone she knows how to butter me up

but i dont want to chase that paranoid tangent right now because it's not yet time for elmo gifs

Look at this scum post by reckoner

Look at this scum post by Firebringer

see how easy it is to give empty reads without any context

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@lld can you tell me why you think hyung is scum bc it'd make me way more comfortable leaving my vote there instead of doing the thing where i go chase other wagons

@lld please

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nice content

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i have to sleep now but if you do it ill read it

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excellent, thanks LLD

hyung wagon is go

policy -> actual scum lynch

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I don't think hyung flips scum.

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i dont see why UT, being lazy, creates a PT with Vecna to post votecounts
if he's scum he just posts them in the scum PT

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vecna lynch feels really stupid but it's almost deadline so fuck it.

VOTE: vecna

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inb4lock

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guys im scum

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New Votecounter: Pine

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wait no

New Votecounter: ArcAngel9

let's just pick someone so this DOESN'T FUCKING DRAG ON MORE
WHY WOULD UT MAKE IT SO END OF DAY IS THE VOTECOUNTER CHANGE
THEN IF THE VOTECOUNTER DIES OVERNIGHT WE HAVE TO DO THIS AGAIN

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HAHAHAHAHAH

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get dunked on scumbags

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VOTE: NSG

choo choo motherfuckers

btw gammagooey is 100% town after that shit

and i am now a basic fucking bitch that will sell my vote away for a good pair of uggs YASSSS KWEEN

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right✔there ✔✔if i do ƽaү so my self i say so thats what im talking about right there right there ʳᶦᵍʰᵗ ᵗʰᵉʳᵉ mMMMMᎷМ
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i received an interesting testicular photograph last night

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don't link to threads in the speakeasy or something

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i dont believe UT put VTs in this game

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Pine - How are you so sure that NSG is town? Help me explain what do you mean by roleblock. I believe you're town but want to understand this.

he
blocked
nsg
and
there
was
no
kill

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AA9 I feel sorry for you.

Kill yourself please!!

im so glad you came back to the site

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okay if there are VTs that's interesting because i got one of those "lolnotaVT" role UT is fond of

i know this from modding so many games with him -- before putting in a VT, he would first put in a role that is effectively useless (like a fruit vendor)

but maybe he didn't do that this game. i dunno.

either way, something stopped the kill, and pine's the best thing we have to go on so far

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we cant let you live until endgame regardless nsg and we have a rb on you at the same time as a no kill

like

even if you're town we can't let that live because the best we would get would be a doctor going "oh ok well i protected someone and so i guess i couldve stopped the kill" in which case we'd still need to lynch you first to confirm the doc/clear are town

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barring someone else coming in hot & heavy and going FUCK YEAH I HAVE A GUILTY nsg has to be the lynch today due to pine's claim

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plus nsg claimed vt so AT WORST we're losing a useless role

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What do you think is best? And I support reck's argument. If NSG telling a lie, we are only loosing a VT which is no big deal in large theme game.

this is not even close to my argument

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I'm a 1-Shot Bulletproof. I don't mind claiming right now because if I stopped the kill, then it's probably gone now. If Not, then w/e. It's main utility was to keep me alive anyway.

I don't really think scum shot me (although I don't think they couldn't have either). I just don't like people hardpushing the idea NSG has to be scum here, especially if they're reading her as town.

It's weird and I don't like it.

I'm also waffling on NSG being scum, and there are people I'd rather lynch before her.

Like Mutant and Titus. Maybe Penguin who avoided the game all day but still found time to join both the AA9 wagon and the Vecna wagon at EOD.

AA9's hardpush here doesn't give me the greatest vibes either.

I like LLD and maybe Ali for giving her some space.

Wouldn't you be told if you were shot...

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Maybe that's not standard.

But I still find the claim to be a potential scum fakeclaim.

After all: easy excuse as to why Brian doesn't die at night (scum are scared of the BP) and lets scum make it impossible to verify Pine's roleblock is actually what stopped the kill.

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So you didn't think to do that before you blurted out a claim

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my read on NSG outside the blocker issue is irrelevant because NSG has to die anyway

pursuing another lynch today is stupid and ignorant

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@mollie:

d1 was just a lot of apathy until a flashwagon happened on vecna end of day
obviously, vecna flipped scum
come d2, there was no kill, pine claimed to block nsg, nsg claimed vt, brian claimed 1-shot bulletproof

tldr is we have to lynch nsg because we can't let a potential scumkill get blocked and not test it, but there's a slight possibility skies ate the shot with his bp vest if the claim is true (or some other combination of things happened)

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i dont care if it feels like a mislynch. it very well could be.
at least then we know pine's claim is irrelevant.

info analysis says it has to die to sort out other claims that come in

nsg gets lynched today

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we cant let you live until endgame regardless nsg and we have a rb on you at the same time as a no kill

like

even if you're town we can't let that live because the best we would get would be a doctor going "oh ok well i protected someone and so i guess i couldve stopped the kill" in which case we'd still need to lynch you first to confirm the doc/clear are town

Could we talk about this reck?

Like I said, I don't agree. What you're saying assumes that scum will never nightkill me in the first place, and i think it's reasonable and not too arrogant of me to say that at some point either it will be in their best interest to (due to being cleared from a scumflip), or it will just be benefitting town for them to leave me alive.

The doc point also doesn't really make sense to me? Like, i don't see how a doctor coming out and saying "actually i protected this person night one" later in the game gets resolved by my lynch at all. Could you elaborate on that?

doc protection is likely a town clear if you're actually vt

and yes i think it's arrogant to say that scum would waste a kill on a vt slot that has potential night actions indicating they may be scum

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doc protection is likely a town clear if you're actually vt

and yes i think it's arrogant to say that scum would waste a kill on a vt slot that has potential night actions indicating they may be scum

How could doc protection be a clear given that someone else has already claimed another role that could've potentially stopped the nightkill?

We're already at the point where it's publicly known (as opposed to just known to me) that there was another way the NK could've been stopped other than the roleblock. If someone claims doc later in the game, the fact that I've already flipped VT doesn't make it confirmed when there's still ambiguity due to the BP claim.

I don't really follow how that could be a town clear.



Like i said, maybe arrogant, but hopefully not too arrogant. I think i'm known for generally being obviously town and i think i have decent enough reads (especially as of recent) that either i will become obviously town by scum flip or scum will actively be hurting themselves by leaving me alive.

assuming brian skies is telling the truth
im just saying we cant even confirm brian's

like okay

options
- you're scum, we lynch scum
- you're vt, we lynch vt, we know brian skies is town and scum have to waste another shot killing the came person
- you're vt, we lynch vt, there's another claim out there and now we know it or the bp claim are true

imo the loss of a vt that will be a constant mislynch target in exchange for game-relevant setup info is perfectly acceptable as a worst case scenario

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maybe reck.

why bitch

you should be thanking me for being a bastion of sanity and safety this game tbh

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^My 'scumreads' atm are for the most part just people who dont look town for vecna shenanigans and other d1 stuff. Alisae looks a tiny bit bad from vecna but not considerably, recks just not trying very hard today and is a null read compared to a lot of people that look at least a little town.

Reck you don't have to actually do it but consider threatening to lynch people that aren't north to make them do readable shit

Thanks for being sane yesterday too

okay well

i will consider elsewhere but id rather lynch nsg and not waste time chasing flights of fancy

flips are good and so far we have 1

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i dont know what you're referencing bc i feel like ive addressed why i think you're the best course of action today

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uh hi vax

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im just saying we cant even confirm brian's

like okay

options
- you're scum, we lynch scum
- you're vt, we lynch vt, we know brian skies is town and scum have to waste another shot killing the came person
- you're vt, we lynch vt, there's another claim out there and now we know it or the bp claim are true

imo the loss of a vt that will be a constant mislynch target in exchange for game-relevant setup info is perfectly acceptable as a worst case scenario

I'm working within the context of the third option there because i know 1 is wrong and 2 seems exceedingly unlikely to me:

Is the information that at least one of two claims must be true worth having one less townie in the game and going into the night phase? Because I don't think it is at all. It's not as if it

prevents

scum from in any meaningful way fakeclaiming something.

What's more, the only reason that i think i could be called a constant mislynch target would be people falsely taking the roleblock as a guilty. Anyone thinking that the roleblock makes me more likely to be scum should share the viewpoint that it is equally likely that the lack of a kill makes Brian Skies confirmed town - simply going off of mechanics that is. If you scumread me by play, it's an entirely different point - the thing is, nobody (or at least, not many people) seem to scumread me by play, and i think that's something that can remain the same or even improve further on into the game.

So basically, the information gained from my lynch honestly seems pretty useless, and I think the only reason I could even be called a "constant mislynch target" would be people choosing to believe that the roleblock makes me scum over the equally likely possibility that it makes Brian Skies conftown? (Equally likely just going off of setup, which you've said you are)

we have a dead scum already
ill take playing the long game of having more info / verifiable claims later over "oh gee gosh please dont lynch the vt on the off-chance she's not lying about her role and wasn't actually roleblocked"

you're missing the point -- we don't know that the roleblock is a guilty. we don't know it's not. we do know it's SOMETHING.
it's something that tells us something. and your lynch can provide that information.

brian skies wont ever know if he was actually shot or not until he dies or is endgamed. we can't get info about him except by lynching him
but we CAN get info about what happened last night by lynching you

it's simple

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correct

which is why we'll never know his claim to be true or not

pay attention

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yeah, so add another point to why we should lynch NSG: we get info on both pine's role AND yours, brian

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I'll add:

NSG flips Town: We know Brian is Town (or at least not Mafia), and that his BP is expired, and that scum have to waste an extra kill just to take out someone they already tried to kill once

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@nsg:

the lynch does provide more space, especially later on down the road. it gives us our "best leading theory".

if you're scum: it forces scum's hand to kill pine because he's basically conftown now (or will be treated as such)
if you're town: it forces scum to kill brian because brian is basically conftown now (or will be treated as such)

it significantly narrows scum's options with a lynch on you

even if we manage to come back from this and 100% agree that you're town, scum won't kill you, and when lylo starts closing in suddenly it's "oop hey remember that thing with nsg early in the game"

because if you're town and vt, you have no way to clear yourself.

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nsg i have no idea how you're gonna flip. it's 50/50 for me and it's basically all purely claim/setup related.

my gut tells me that brian being scum with you is more likely than you being scum by yourself
or that pine is scum with you
like you got blocked, brian claimed to distance and gain town cred/cast doubt on nsg's claim
or scum saw the no kill and pine jumped in with a bs claim to force brian to claim

it's purely conjecture and paranoia. but i want to be clear that my push on you is not related to your behavior
and tbh i dont care to try because im convinced that REGARDLESS of if you're town or scum this is the right way to go

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if you're town: it forces scum to kill brian because brian is basically conftown now (or will be treated as such)

This relies on the assumption that Brian was the target of the scum NK.

yes, and based on the info we have, it's one or the other. and even if there is another potential town power role, i dont want them to claim, and if their claim complicates the situation then it's even MORE reason to lynch you so that they have more info on what their action did.

even if we manage to come back from this and 100% agree that you're town, scum won't kill you, and when lylo starts closing in suddenly it's "oop hey remember that thing with nsg early in the game"

because if you're town and vt, you have no way to clear yourself.

I disagree, as I've already said.

Why would scum not be able to kill me if theoretically everyone agreed that I was town?

What's more, there's always such thing as becoming clear from associations of a scum flip.

because there's enough doubt created about your role and actions to get a lynch on you later, which is invaluable for scum

setting up future lynches & making sure you have options is super important as scum
you existing in the gamestate ensures they always have an out so there's no way they'd kill you

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or scum saw the no kill and pine jumped in with a bs claim to force brian to claim

Really? How do you propose we deal with Pine tomorrow if she flips town?

as i said it's entirely conjecture. so i dont propose anything

i have a feeling that pine/brian and the Truth of What Happened will sort itself out after a nsg flip eventually

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Yeah, the most damning evidence is that in NSG were Town, she's AT LEAST acknowledge the rationality in what Reck's saying. Instead she's trying to handwave it away

This is classic scumflailing

FIREBRINGER do I put these glasses on or not? If they fry my brain I will be holding you responsible

this makes me happy but also my biggest blind spot is people agreeing with me which doesnt help my pine paranoia

but there's absolutely a 0% chance i see pine voted before nsg is flipped

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can we vote to decrease the night deadline btw

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no it's not

we have a dead scum + a no kill

we lynch NSG. we get info. scum have to worry about at least one power role between {Pine, Brian}. so theyre forced to kill at least one of them at some point

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can we vote to decrease the night deadline btw

this please
Reck you run 72 hour nights tho :/

in geriatric games yes

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this game is already lagging a lot and is fast-paced posting so id rather shorten the night deadlines so we dont lose momentum

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nsg if you flip town i promise i will slavishly scour your iso and put together a case using it

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I’m trusting Pine on you NSG

VOTE: NSG

this progression is weird but whatever

hail machiavelli

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nsg if you flip town i promise i will slavishly scour your iso and put together a case using it

I would much rather not get lynched in the first place. I'm not so egotistical as to believe that my reads are always perfect right now - what I do believe is that, given the opportunity, I could win the game if left alive.

i think saying "my presence actively helps scum due to claims so i will be a d2 lynch to help sort that and leave my thoughts behind" is a much townier, non-egotistical stance than "no im town therefore keep me around even if it creates a clusterfuck of confusion and mixed signals"

but id probably be fighting just as hard as you as either alignment so i cant really throw stones

I’m trusting Pine on you NSG

VOTE: NSG

this progression is weird but whatever

hail machiavelli

trusting you meaning I’m trusting Pine’s wolfread

no i got it.

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i wont do that but thanks for the suggestion

gentle reminder: meta is trash

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most people here are decent enough that they can sort things given time so i dunno

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i wont do that but thanks for the suggestion

gentle reminder: meta is trash

2017's Paragon disagrees.

2011's Paragon disagrees.

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yes

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back when i had ample free time in college and no real commitments and was playing 5-10 games at once

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would still vote reck, and would actually much prefer to lynch reck now that I've thought of it again. something about his play around nsg is still unsettling and his day 1 posting felt really scum motivated on multiple angles. but realistically not sure if there's any support for it unless he gets guiltied (Google glasses maybe? please?)

man these specifics sure are compelling

maybe people would listen to you/i wouldnt think youre a joke if you could actually give reasons instead of "something feels bad lol"

scum will end up NKing me so you wont have to worry about it

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I'll add:

NSG flips Town: We know Brian is Town (or at least not Mafia), and that his BP is expired, and that scum have to waste an extra kill just to take out someone they already tried to kill once

Incorrect. Pine could be a lightning rod.

this is a BUCK WILD response

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pine is a scum lightning rod

^^^ an actual titus opinion ^^^

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And I think it's a Town!Titus opinion

why

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aww man pine are you scum

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my case is less "nsg is scum and also roleblock" it's "nsg has a higher than normal likelihood of being scum due to the rb claim and her lynch will clear up some confusion around roles"

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i have but my memory has blotted it out

also: meta is garbage

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nobody is listening and people are just letting likely scum slots like reckoner get by on charisma alone. like does nobody else

how about you fucking put some goddamn reasoning behind anything you fucking say you goddamn cheap marquis rip off

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I'm being unhelpful and I'm aware of it but basically this entire gamestate feels like it's been set up to discredit me even when I can come in and share my reads and it is frustrating as fuck. this entire town is whoever tf you really are.

this is such a victim complex

nobody has done anything to discredit you other than

ask for reasons

if that is discrediting you then you should be playing a different game