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If you're town throwing a vote down in lylo without substantial evidence it's not smart.

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There won't be a quick lynch because you're probably both scum and one of you definitely are scum.

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The scum team isn't rb/eddie/nk.

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Lol. If this stagnates it'll look terrible for yall.

I hope town doesn't vote tiam.

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Way more evidence NK is scum opposed to tiam. Especially after that vote.

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While tiam is probably scum with those 2 I'd feel much better voting NK first because of evidence.

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I'm not saying anything I'm gonna let this play out before playing the blame game.

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How many neighborhoods are there and who's apart of which ones specifically?

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Is eddie town or scum to you atm?

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Did you invite eddie N3?

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You still under the assumption it's tiam/mohab/tchill?

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NK you don't think it's odd that tiams claim contradicted yours then morts?

Just coincidence to you?

NK what happened to your push on eddie?

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NK keeps ignoring my questions maybe I should vote him.

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Mort if you are town I urge you to read NK'S iso and see what I'm talking about when I say he dropped his eddie push.

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Heyoka is hard null, but if they're town RB, Pisskop, Screenplay, Tchill contains 2 scum.

Pisskop, eth0s, Not Known 15, and Mohab have no tangible content.

I just noticed that they put Pisskop in both the no tangible content and the contains scum categories, for no apparent reason.
VOTE: Kookoobird

Heyoka is hard null, but if they're town RB, Pisskop, Screenplay, Tchill contains 2 scum.

Pisskop, eth0s, Not Known 15, and Mohab have no tangible content.

I just noticed that they put Pisskop in both the no tangible content and the contains scum categories, for no apparent reason.
VOTE: Kookoobird

I don't see that this has been answered or responded to. I guess it is because Kookoo is scum wanting to hide this scumslip.
After we lynch Kookoo and they flip scum we need to take a look at Pisskop because they were probably misplaced as scum partner of Kookoo.

Lynch Kookoo

If Kookoo is some strong mafia power role I'd say the Screen accusations could be a bus; more so because they didn't claim ascetic Day 1; you just need to look which role died last night to know why this would be a terrible idea as Town; it is more likely to come from scum.

No I'm not saying that's his personality. I'm saying because of his personality he's probably town. I highly, highly doubt a decent player fakes a guilty as scum there.

Oh really.
Decent players would do that there. Provided they think that they can get away with it. And it looks like there are too many town that think that way, so it is not entirely unreasonable. I am pretty sure that if Kookoo is a decent player they thought they can get away with it. Don't fall into that trap.

I'm not understanding the assumption that he's a decent player.

I am not really convinced that Kookoo is a decent player, hence the "if"
I am convinced that Kookoo is scum.

You know eddie replaced into this slot that you were determined was scum right?

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I mean this is laughable. The push is evident. It's half your 30 post iso lmao.

You even felt the need to defend your lurking.

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That is so weird you'd drop a push you were vehemently pushing.

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Your refusal to vote NK is more than alarming. If tiam is scum then NK is probably town IF they're not scum together.

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And vice versa.

Unless they're scum together it looks more like NK is scum and tiam is town.

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What are the odds we are scum with tiam?

HAVE YOU READ MOHABS ISO?

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It doesn't matter. Only way scum wins here is if eddie/nk/rb is the scum team and I doubt that

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Stahhhp throwing votes around willy nilly.

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Let's lynch nk instead.

VOTE: NK

This confirms Twoinamillion as scum.

If scum get voted in lylo and font get quick hammered they can't explain why they didn't.

Only play here for scum is to create the same scenario for another player.

Twoinamillion is definitely scum now.

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He is definitely the lynch today.

What are possible teams with him?

Tchill/mohab/tiam (this presumption and likelihood of it is why scum bus here, scum can't explain what I gain by claiming opposed to not claiming though and refuse to argue that)

Nk/Mort/tiam (this is bussing to the max with a crazy game plan. Possible due to conflictions of tiams claim and fake claim. Morts willingness to vote tiam most of the game but refuses to acknowledge NK as scummy for the most part)

Nk/eddie/tiam (tiam breadcrumbed Miller before he fake claimed, direct contradiction to NK's role so could have been a planned bus, NK dropped his early push of kookoo/eddie slot completely)

That's where I think all of us stand.

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Well I mean

He's gonna do that as town too

TIAM who do you think the team is?

If he's town he's putting the game at risk because he's being voted and that's quite selfish.

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How am I scum without mohab?

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I need to look at him more.

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Your pushing stuff that doesn't make sense if you look at players isos like a mohab/tiam team

You also completely missed NK dropping his push on eddie.

How on top of this are you exactly?

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Scum is voting atm they're not gonna win off votes out there atm.

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Tiam, Mort and NK are the only ones voting rn lol


I hate my need to come up with elaborate plans to explain Scums play because it's off the charts rn.

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I want to lock town eddie because I'm 99 percent sure that fake guilty kookoo gave come from town.

NK dropping his push and pushing a tiam/tchill/mohab team points towards...

The scum team is definitely tiam/nk/(Mort/rb)

I'm locking that in.

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Because NK could push kookoo/eddie there as a mislynch hard and not be blamed for a town flip due to a fake guilty.

He completely dropped that push because tiam/mohab/tchill is a better narrative atm.

Which clears eddie if NK is scum.

So NK's scumminess plus the fact I think town gave the fake guilty means I can feel good about lock towning eddie.

The game comes down to rb/Mort.

I think rb is scum due to his VT claim and Mort is the boon role. The crazy role in a boon game.

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Damn.

I'm gonna go back and reaffirm this but I'm 99 percent sure that's the scum team.

Tiam/nk/rb

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I'd like to lynch nk first when we get around to it.

That pretty much confirms eddie as town when nk flips scum due to NK's hard push and completely dropping the slot for a better narrative.

So we'd head into the next day phase with at least 2 conf townies between me/mohab/eddie

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Well I'm for sure town from your perspective so read it with that in mind.

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Also that makes a ton of sense. Of all my post idk why you pick the most sensible one to complain about lol.

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Please unvote. I'll post more tonight breaking it down step by step. I just don't want anything stupid to happen before then.

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Eddie I just cleared you damn it.

I've been phone posting I'll be at my computer tonight and I'll break it down step by step why eddie is town and tiam and NK are for sure scum together.

Please unvote

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There's 4 or 5 things I will adequately explain later and One gives us the ability to hard TR eddie after a nk flip. Which would work with a tiam flip since they're definitely scum together.

I'll post again in 7 or 8 hours.

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Please, please don't do anything stupid.

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ok i'll try to answer Eddie first.

Inactivity and Role:
I haven't kept up with this game at all. Multiple times i almost failed to send in a night action because i didn't realize the night phase was almost over (the only 2 shots i had). I don't believe meta is how you should read me BUT if you'll look at my past games my activity is much more comparable to this day phase opposed to the rest of the game, even as scum. This is the 3rd game i've played that i've let get away from me in my whole career i do believe. I forgot about my role completely to begin with. I forgot about the "weak" modifier until I looked at my role pm before claiming (I always double check because if you mess up an honest claim it could lead to trouble)

Night actions:
I chose to shoot screen because he's the player I was most familiar with and I just hoped he was town. I chose to shoot Mohab because i pretty much just said screw it and it seemed mohab was the towniest among the rest of the group at quick glance. Mohab seemed to posts thoughts without hesitation and the thoughts seemed genuine enought to get a TR ffrom me MAINLY OPPOSED to what i had to choose from. I wasn't worried about my death because I forgot the modifier.

TvT:
Now ik I said I argued against Screens lynch because i shot him but I also said I forgot about the modifier. I fought against his lynch because the events between Kookoo and Screen led me to believe they were both town and even though obviously Screen wasn't "confirmed" in my eyes (forgot the modifier) I didn't want to kill a TR that KNEW I was town. Who would want to do that?

Now i kept calling it "obvious TvT" because of this: Mafia has 2 crucial parts of the game. FIGURING OUT the scum team and CONVINCING others. Each part as crucial as the other. Players that are egotistical because they're great at catching scum on an average basis sometimes get frustrated because they can't convince other players. Say what you will about kookoo but he came off as a player with plenty of knowledge of the game and he seemed like he knew what he was talking about. Everyone has a bad game from time to time and his attitude made it worse. If Kookoo was town that was convinced screen was scum i can easily see an egotistical player fake claiming (in line with the "im better than yall and i can afford to play the game MY way to win" reasoning) to push a lynch through because they are awful at convincing players due to the fact they egomaniacs think they are better, therefore their explanation isn't worth their time because you can't comprehend on the level they can. I've seen this line of reasoning multiple times on this site from players i consider to be good but can hurt town from time to time due to their "im better than everyone else, I can get away with this" attitude. I've yet to see scum fake a guilty multiple days before lylo. It just doesn't make sense for scum in the long run.

I thought Screen was town at this point because he was the opposition of this attack. What do scum have to gain from faking a guilty to get someone lynched? Then admitting to it on top of that? It gaurantees they'll be lynched the next day phase which puts scum in a worse position in the long run. Thats my breakdown of why it was TvT to me.

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I don't think I should. At least not if I want to be alive tomorrow.

From a game theory perspective, i would support massclaim, from what my role is, I don't support it.

ok this clearly looks like tiam is hinting at a miller claim. How these could suggest a motion detector claim i do not know.

I am town motion detector.

Night 1: eth0s - No movement
Night 2: Not Known 15 No movement
Night 3: Tchill - No result

TAKE YOU'RE VOTES OFF. ONE MISS VOTE WINS SCUM THE GAME.

We have to finish the massclaim yes, but it's a lot more useless in lylo when anyone can fake claim yolo and if we mislynch its over.

TIAM saw no movement.
I am a Non-Consecutive Night Doctor.
No action Night 1.
I acted Night 2.<-and TIAM saw no movement
No action Night 3(obviously)

TIAM is lying.

So Tiam lied about a fake claim that ONLY interacted with NK then NK's claim specifically countered tiam and only interacted with him. This is why at some point i believe NK and tiam decided to bus they'd be ok with bussing Tiam. Tiam was clearly hinting at a miller claim Then BOTH of their claims only interacted with each other??? Very odd.

Not lying. But I really don't have any defense so do what you must, it will lose you the game.

Tiam holds to his guns. If town he is willing to LOSE THE GAME on an outright CC from NK.

but if he's scum with NK here and Tiam was lynched immediately wouldn't this get NK STRONG town cred?

Ok, I admit it I am lying.

I am actually town miller and forgot to claim and thought it would get me lynched.

then Tiam defaults back to the miller claim which he hinted at earlier. Which leads me to believe his fake claim was planned because not only did he hint at it earlier but his fake claim, that he was willing to lose town the game for, only involved NK and NK's claim only involved Tiam.

They are confirmed scum together due to Tiam originally bread crumbing a miller claim then changing it, then changing back to the miller.

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Heyoka is hard null, but if they're town RB, Pisskop, Screenplay, Tchill contains 2 scum.

Pisskop, eth0s, Not Known 15, and Mohab have no tangible content.

I just noticed that they put Pisskop in both the no tangible content and the contains scum categories, for no apparent reason.
VOTE: Kookoobird

Heyoka is hard null, but if they're town RB, Pisskop, Screenplay, Tchill contains 2 scum.

Pisskop, eth0s, Not Known 15, and Mohab have no tangible content.

I just noticed that they put Pisskop in both the no tangible content and the contains scum categories, for no apparent reason.
VOTE: Kookoobird

I don't see that this has been answered or responded to. I guess it is because Kookoo is scum wanting to hide this scumslip.
After we lynch Kookoo and they flip scum we need to take a look at Pisskop because they were probably misplaced as scum partner of Kookoo.

Lynch Kookoo

If Kookoo is some strong mafia power role I'd say the Screen accusations could be a bus; more so because they didn't claim ascetic Day 1; you just need to look which role died last night to know why this would be a terrible idea as Town; it is more likely to come from scum.

No I'm not saying that's his personality. I'm saying because of his personality he's probably town. I highly, highly doubt a decent player fakes a guilty as scum there.

Oh really.
Decent players would do that there. Provided they think that they can get away with it. And it looks like there are too many town that think that way, so it is not entirely unreasonable. I am pretty sure that if Kookoo is a decent player they thought they can get away with it. Don't fall into that trap.

No I'm not saying that's his personality. I'm saying because of his personality he's probably town. I highly, highly doubt a decent player fakes a guilty as scum there.

Oh really.
Decent players would do that there. Provided they think that they can get away with it. And it looks like there are too many town that think that way, so it is not entirely unreasonable. I am pretty sure that if Kookoo is a decent player they thought they can get away with it. Don't fall into that trap.

I'm not understanding the assumption that he's a decent player.

I am not really convinced that Kookoo is a decent player, hence the "if"
I am convinced that Kookoo is scum.

OK the only real push NK makes is kookoo/eddie. He doubles down on it after kookoo fakes a guiltie. If NK is scum and Kookoo/eddie is town NK gets no blame for the mislynch due to the awful fake guilty from town. It never picks up traction and Nk just seems to drop his push.

NK you don't think it's odd that tiams claim contradicted yours then morts?
I think TIAM is scum desperately trying not to get lynched.
No.
Just coincidence to you?

Why not?

You know eddie replaced into this slot that you were determined was scum right?

Oh yeah eddie was kookoo.
But I am still sure that you and Mohab and TIAM are scum, so I guess I was wrong at that point.

Now why would NK be willing to lock town Kookoo/eddie after that first push. Especially after screen flipped town? (i've went in depth as to why i think kookoo is town but from eddies perspective shouldn't this further his suspicion of kookoo scum?) I dont think i even see a mention of kookoo/eddie scum from nk after screen flips town.

now obviously if Nk is scum he's dropped his eddie push for a Tiam/mohab/tchill push because my claim is awful from everyone's perspective. Not only that but it fits his "bus TIAM" plan very nicely.

This means if Nk is scum (he is) Kookoo/eddie is a mislynch he pushed that never went through. I don't see a scenario where NK is scum with Eddie. He flat out just dropped his distance of his scum partner if so and thats too risky for scum to do. Ususally thers some explanation for not being suspicious of your partner anymore and NK provides no reason why he's not suspicious of eddie anymore after in fact he should be MORE suspicious of eddie due to screen flipping town.

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im getting there. thats the most difficult one due to the toss up between RB and Mort. Give me a b it more time because i had those 2 planned bore i got home. I don't have the RB case ready yet entirely.

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Not lying. But I really don't have any defense so do what you must, it will lose you the game.

This does not come from a town mindset.


Tchill, you have not claimed.
rb has not claimed.
Mohab claims VT.
Eddie claims VT
I claim Non-Consecutive Night Doctor
TIAM claims Motion Detector.
Mort claims Neighborizer

now Rb claimed VT. I've never seen the entirety of the scum team claim a role. One always claims VT.

Mort claimed neighborizer miller and that would be the Boon role for this game. Boon always has one weird role and mort could be it. An insane fake claim from scum if thats the case rn and i don't believe it is.

Eddie and mohab are locktown for me so via PoE the VT claim that is scum is RB.

not the entire case... just the first step.

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i almost feel bad about how transparently scummy 2iam is

Was serious with my question to rb. How do you read tiam?

hes scum with screenplay

im fine with lynching screen/2iam/pisskop/eth0s

all who object, please report to the headmaster's office for corrective procedures

RB is scummier than pisskop I think he was on both town wagons.

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VOTE: 2iam

Rb mentions how scummy tiam is several times before voting him.

and you're kidding yourself if you think I wouldn't.

im pisskop. ive voted dead players in lylo. and still won

VOTE: pisskop

ye

That tiam vote doesn't last very long. Quickly finds a reason to vote someone else.

Okay i have a serious problem with dunker here because i think 2iam is NOT his town meta, and his reason for townreading him is the exact opposite to me

thats not cool m8

mentions again disagreeing with a tiam TR.

Can people give me their opinions of NK15

Cant read them

this is his first mention of NK i do believe. Very nuetral stance.

well either 2iam or NK15 is scum

AND THIS IS WHERE THE PLANNED BUS COMES INTO PLAY.

if youre scum you arent gonna go for perfect victory if its less likely than overall victory

Si if RB is scum do you think he'd go for a perfect victory based off this statement? Seems like he wouldn't to me. Which once again lines up with a planned bus of tiam.

It makes you a 'conftown' as insurance after 2iam is lynched as well

And here it is. Bus tiam, convince others Mohab and Tchill are scum. Then scum win.

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Scum obviously planned the bus because Tiam was clearly crumbing a miller claim.

At some point scum decided tiam would fake claim something that would contradict scum to get them Town cred.

That is why RB/NK/tiam is the scum team. They came into today saying bus Tiam. Use the town cred to finish the game the next day phase. RB even has a post stating how difficult a perfect scum victory is LMAO.

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lock it up. GG's.

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I'd like Mort and mohabs opinions on the case

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I'll do my best to convince you I'm the one that's right.

I'm more sure of nk/tiam/rb than anything else I've ever been sure of on site.

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If I'm scum what do I gain from fake claiming her opposed to claiming VT. You have to look at that question with the amount of suspicion I would draw in mind.

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Im so sure of that team i'll vote any one of them. even RB. Thats the team.

my claim brought on more suspicion than what it was worth. Do you really think scum would think its a good idea to do that?

I think my case of the team is very convincing. I don't see any holes in it. The scum team is nailed. They're done posting.

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Im scummy as hell rn and you can't ignore the associations between rb and NK/Tiam.

You can't ignore the coincedental night actions of NK and Tiam on a FAKE CLAIM. its one thing to fake claim, its another for it to be THAT much of a coincidence.

Are you convinced NK and TIAM are scum?

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if town is going to win this game mohab, mort, me and you will have to believe one another.

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if we can deduce that NK/Tiam are scum together it rules out a mohab/tchill team. Which means the last scum is mort/eddie/rb.

I explained why eddie is town. I explained why RB is scum with them. The only thing i haven't done is a deep dive as to why mort is town but i have touched on why he is town. We agree on that.

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yeah sorry for that.

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i don't have an issue with your conclusion its rb / nk / tiam, mort and me being town is fine. i am more concerned with the alternative. my plan for today is to figure out who of the 4 fits best with mohab and tchill, lynch them, get nightkilled with my final thoughts being tchill and mohab is more likely to be town, and wish good luck on whatever sad people have to keep playing

i dont understand. Lynch who of the 4 fits best with me and mohab as the 3rd teamate? if you vote anyone except RB/nk/tiam you'll lose town the game.

because if you believe im scum with mohab you'll eventually belive mort has to be our teammate. If you vote mort the game is over.

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you'll believe this due to how NK and Tiam are connected. You won't think RB is the possible 3rd scum of this possible scum team due to my association push.

there is no pressure. If we lynch these 3 we win. It doesn't matter who is NK'd. Lynch those 3 we win.

Do you think its just coincedence i was able to pick apart RB's iso for associations that strong? just read RB's iso with an NK/tiam team in mind.

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Who are you leaning towards?

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after mohab has put their thoughts in i'll vote any of those 3 when it comes time to vote.

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i've said that i think your team is the most likely.

as in me and mohab scum with?

or as in RB/nk/tiam.

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oh i understand. Lets hope you don't. i have my mind made up. No holes in it that i've seen. I do agree that you're in a difficult spot. Just please read and reread my case.

I've yet to see anyone connect mohab and tiam. Just look at those 3 isos side by side with another possible scum player from that group and you'll see it is in fact the scum team.

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well you cant. nk/tiam are the same alignment due to night interactions that only included them. which involved a fake claim.

me and mohab are same alignment for obvious reasons.

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like i said. ik you're in a rough spot. much easier from my perspective. good luck. i'll answer questions specifically asked.

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@NK

explain why kookoo/eddie is more town than he was before the fake guilty from that slot flipped town.

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I don't think I should. At least not if I want to be alive tomorrow.

From a game theory perspective, i would support massclaim, from what my role is, I don't support it.

ok this clearly looks like tiam is hinting at a miller claim. How these could suggest a motion detector claim i do not know.

I am town motion detector.

Night 1: eth0s - No movement
Night 2: Not Known 15 No movement
Night 3: Tchill - No result

TAKE YOU'RE VOTES OFF. ONE MISS VOTE WINS SCUM THE GAME.

We have to finish the massclaim yes, but it's a lot more useless in lylo when anyone can fake claim yolo and if we mislynch its over.

TIAM saw no movement.
I am a Non-Consecutive Night Doctor.
No action Night 1.
I acted Night 2.<-and TIAM saw no movement
No action Night 3(obviously)

TIAM is lying.

So Tiam lied about a fake claim that ONLY interacted with NK then NK's claim specifically countered tiam and only interacted with him. This is why at some point i believe NK and tiam decided to bus they'd be ok with bussing Tiam. Tiam was clearly hinting at a miller claim Then BOTH of their claims only interacted with each other??? Very odd.

Not lying. But I really don't have any defense so do what you must, it will lose you the game.

Tiam holds to his guns. If town he is willing to LOSE THE GAME on an outright CC from NK.

but if he's scum with NK here and Tiam was lynched immediately wouldn't this get NK STRONG town cred?

Ok, I admit it I am lying.

I am actually town miller and forgot to claim and thought it would get me lynched.

then Tiam defaults back to the miller claim which he hinted at earlier. Which leads me to believe his fake claim was planned because not only did he hint at it earlier but his fake claim, that he was willing to lose town the game for, only involved NK and NK's claim only involved Tiam.

They are confirmed scum together due to Tiam originally bread crumbing a miller claim then changing it, then changing back to the miller.

this is the key to the whole thing. Specifically the first part.

HE BREAD CRUMBED MILLER. NOT MOTION DETECTOR. Why would he change his mind?

TIAM AND NK THEN ONLY HAD NIGHT ACTIONS THAT ONLY INTERACTED WITH EACH OTHER. OFF A FAKE CLAIM.

Why fake claim you targeted NK specifically? sure, could be random but slim chance it is.

now what are the odds NK just so happen to NOT ONLY interact with just Tiam but also only THE NIGHT OF HIS ACTION ON HIS FAKE FAKE FAKE CLAIM.

RB stated one of NK or TIAM is scum. Which makes me feel he was a part of the process that had TIAM fake claim motion detector.

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Now let me be very very clear.

If I'm nk. I think kookoo/eddie is terribly scummy for faking a guilty? It shows in his iso.

The person that kookoo/eddie faked a guilty on flipped town. Flipped a PR if I'm not mistaken.

Now from NK's perspective... Shouldn't this make kookoo/eddie even a BIGGER scum read? The fake flipped town. In many situations players would take this as a confirmation that kookoo/eddie was scum. Especially a player pushing kookoo/eddie as hard as nk was.

NK dropped the push. Completely.

He lock Towned the kookoo/eddie slot to push a tiam/mohab/tchill team IN LYLO.

He lock Towned the kookoo/eddie slot without explanation.

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So the fake guilty flipping town did nothing to further your suspicion of that slot?

You TR eddie now solely because others did for their own reasons while you do now have a specific one?

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I'm saying you've failed to give a distinct reason to hard TR a slot you pushed hard for half your iso.

You've lock Towned them by default without an individual reason to TR them.

Yes ik the fake guilty was suspect. I'm not asking that.

I'm asking the fake guilty FLIPPED TOWN. WHICH SHOULD FURTHER YOU'RE SUSPICION OF EDDIE/KOOKOO AT THAT POINT BUT YOU DROPPED HIM ENTIRELY.

YOU DO NOT EVEN MENTION EDDIE AGAIN AFTER THE PROPOSED FAKE GUILTY FLIPPED TOWN UNTIL YOU WERE SPECIFICALLY ASKED TO COMMENT ON IT.

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You forgot the connection between screen flipping a PR and the person you pushed the hardest this game? The person that faked a guilty on screen.

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Connect mohab and tiam as a team for me.

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You forgot the connection between screen flipping a PR and the person you pushed the hardest this game? The person that faked a guilty on screen.

You can't explain this.

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And it's not that I thought youwould nt find any thing.

I want to see you make a case. One that has to stretch to be believable that fits your narrative.

One that compared to my case of rb/nk/tiam is laughable and not nearly as strong.

Ik for a fact your scum. Without a shadow of a doubt. I need you to make cases so others can see you are scum.

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Why do you think tiam breadcrumbed Miller but decided to fake claim tracker?

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What do you think about rb's mentions of tiam? Do you feel strong enough to say rb is for sure not scum with tiam?

The general highpoints of your case of mohab/tiam could be made for rb/tiam

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Exactly that's my point. You can't connect mohab and tiam.

I can connect all 3 of you. Easily.

While my rb case is the weakest it's also hard to ignore.

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Also what about tiam breadcrumbing Miller but the fake claiming motion detector? Why do you think he did that? And why do you think he claimed that he tracked you versus a number of dead townies or live ones?

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Isn't it close to RB's prod time?

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Mort what are you thinking?

I mean honestly I understand the hesitation due to my place in the game but I really do feel most everything points to nk/tiam/rb.

There's so much great info that points towards that.

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Tiam where is your rb scum read coming from all of a sudden?

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Yeah tchill Eddie have been working out probabilities/combinations? I haven't read over that discussion really

you need to read my case on RB/NK/Tiam

I'd prefer we lynch RB today since everyone agrees its nk/tiam.

If rb isn't scum with them i'll never be convinced of it.

i'd prefer to get rb's lynch out of the way.

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it's 2iam/NK/mort or eddie

there's no other realistic explanation _UNLESS_ tchill is scum with mohab

how the hell is eddie scum with nk? please explain. half of nk's iso is pushing kookoo/eddie. The he just drops the push completely.

Pushed a little too violently to be a bus and if it was a bus he gave no reason as to why he stopped pushing kookoo/eddie.

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I would prefer to lynch nk15 today.

why?

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we lynch nk then RB HAS to push nk/mohab/tchill because at this point he knows i'll never side with him. which would mean Eddie or mort has to be the night kill. since Tiam is the other partner. then RB would have to explain voting tiam in lylo and then lock towning tiam after that which rb wouldn't be able to explain.

if rb pushed a nk/tiam/mort or eddie team i would violently oppose but my death would confirm mohab as town and vice versa. Which would mean one of mort or eddie would be the night kill but then RB wouldn't have numbers for a mislynch.

so i think its a lose/lose for the scum team if we lynch nk today anyways.

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not really, i think 2iam is the best lynch for the day

eddie how are you less sure of 2iam scum after that claim than NK?

well of cousre you do thats why you told him to claim motion detector after he bread crumbed miller.

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i bet it was RB that made tiam claim motion detector... NK lurked and RB called tiam blatantly scummy multiple times early game.

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not really, i think 2iam is the best lynch for the day

eddie how are you less sure of 2iam scum after that claim than NK?

eddie i believe said it was more likely nk was scum with me than tiam... how he came to this thought i do not know.

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mort who do you want to vote first?

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@RB

not once did you vote kookoo/eddie. not after he admitted to faking a guilty and not after his fake guilty flipped town PR. Now he's scum that got bussed by NK though?

laughable.

I don't think you've explained why nk was scum either.

You also stated one of NK or TIAM is scum. Now you're saying they're probably both scum together?

I see nothing when i look for explanations though.

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Kookoo's vindication is town

kookoo is angrytown

i don't really see scum being angry that way.

Eddie cane mvp replacement

into a slot im pretty sure is town

oh my god Kreygasm

Eddie is towny scum and scummy town

for kookoo to have this towny frustrated tone and make a whole lot of players townread them despite them quickhammering day1 and faking a guilty day2, they'd have to be some kind of shiny golden scum god

i think it's more likely they're just town

these seemed to be all of your alignment talk of koo/eddie

not once did you mention they're scum. Not once did you say anything about the fake guilty flipping town PR.

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I don't think I should. At least not if I want to be alive tomorrow.

From a game theory perspective, i would support massclaim, from what my role is, I don't support it.

this comes off as "I will get lynched"

Not "i will get night killed"

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i almost feel bad about how transparently scummy 2iam is

Was serious with my question to rb. How do you read tiam?

hes scum with screenplay

im fine with lynching screen/2iam/pisskop/eth0s

all who object, please report to the headmaster's office for corrective procedures

RB is scummier than pisskop I think he was on both town wagons.

um

um

VOTE: 2iam

Rb mentions how scummy tiam is several times before voting him.

and you're kidding yourself if you think I wouldn't.

im pisskop. ive voted dead players in lylo. and still won

VOTE: pisskop

ye

That tiam vote doesn't last very long. Quickly finds a reason to vote someone else.

Okay i have a serious problem with dunker here because i think 2iam is NOT his town meta, and his reason for townreading him is the exact opposite to me

thats not cool m8

mentions again disagreeing with a tiam TR.

Can people give me their opinions of NK15

Cant read them

this is his first mention of NK i do believe. Very nuetral stance.

well either 2iam or NK15 is scum

AND THIS IS WHERE THE PLANNED BUS COMES INTO PLAY.

if youre scum you arent gonna go for perfect victory if its less likely than overall victory

Si if RB is scum do you think he'd go for a perfect victory based off this statement? Seems like he wouldn't to me. Which once again lines up with a planned bus of tiam.

It makes you a 'conftown' as insurance after 2iam is lynched as well

And here it is. Bus tiam, convince others Mohab and Tchill are scum. Then scum win.

RB did you even see this?

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i literally have 2 logical things - either you + mohab are scum (ive been townreading mohab, mort and eddie most of the game)

AND WHY WOULD I FUCKING NIGHTKILL DUNKER IF I WAS SCUM

if you were scum with nk you'd kill him

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i explained why i TR'd kookoo/eddie. in detail.

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but at this point i get it

your claim is so fucking bad because it's a fakeclaim and the NK is literally just to frame me, and if i'm wrong im not even sorry because you're being an absolute fucking retard

the night kill has NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU? where is that coming from?

i probably referenced nk the player and you misinterpreted.

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well im glad your participating in lylo finally. one way or another.

You think NK/Tiam is the team?

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lol fuck this idiot

VOTE: tchill13

dont care, prodging

because you've laid your vote down and you dont have a sure fire scum team accusation in lylo.

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i could lynch nk/tiam/rb in that order.

i do believe thats the order most people would agree to lynch.

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im so glad i decided to use my night action on you mohab lol.

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NK/TIAM is confirmed scum in my eyes.

rb is 90 percent scum. eddie 3 percent, mort 7 percent.

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Well kill nk then RB/tiam can kill out of tchill/mohab/mort/eddie

Killing me or mohab confirms the other. Then they'll have to push a nk/(eddie/tiam)/(Mort/tiam) team and they won't have the numbers for that.

This means either Mort or eddie will be night killed. Then scum will push a nk/tchill/mohab team and rb will have to explain leaving his vote on tiam. He'll be believing the fake claim interaction that allowed nk to out himself was just coincidence.

I'm completely fine voting NK whenever everyone is ready.

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VOTE: rb

Someone hammer.

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And for the record rb. Every statement I've made has been made with the fact rb/tiam/nk is the scum team. So calling me stupid for some stuff... Stuff I'm saying based off the fact you're scum with NK/tiam.... I mean I can see where it's coming from but there's a reason I'm saying things like that.

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It's giant wifom. Which is why he won't be mod killed or anything like that. It makes sense in this situation. I don't think he should be banned or anything.

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RB. I enjoy getting into it every time I play with you lol. You're apparently a good player. So I don't mind the verbal attacks lol. At least you care. I'll play with people that care every time.

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Dunk should not have been killed. Very incriminating.

Tiam should have just claimed Miller I'm not sure who's idea motion detector was.

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It's a team game at the end of the day and the only thing that makes it unenjoyable is people who ignore that aspect of it.

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10 times out of 10 I don't lynch eddie here due to why I believe screen and kookoo was TvT. Then the sudden shift from nk.

Blatantly giving up on a mislynch option with no explanation after they were actually scummier than when he pushed them.

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It's the perfect wifom in this scenario.

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Sucks you're gonna give up for real.

So many people don't care to play to the point multiple recent games of mine have been diluted with inactives. So annoying.

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Eh. Rules are rules I'm just saying I can see why you'd do that from a "making plays" scenario.

I absolutely hate the fact people can make alts. I can't black list inactives because of that. Therefore there's no way for me to get around this as a player. Which makes me so mad.

Usually I'm way more active than I was this game. I just genuinely enjoy playing. I let this one get away from me for a bit.

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Good job guys. Great town win.

Thanks Lexa.

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Where did the motion detector fake claim come into play? You didn't think anyone would say anything about you two only interacting with each other?

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Oh wow you actually were motion detector lol. I just thought the interaction thing was odd.

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And the only power roles were true friends