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[ceejayvinoya]

We need to see more of our lurker friends. Everyone here right now strikes me as townie and us sniping at each other is baaad.

[Quick]

I also kinda like that Oxy gave a reads list with only TRs. Funny enough, given I have been keeping track of my reads in my reads lists and seeing how accurate I was, I will say giving only Town/Null reads has crossed my mind a lot lately.

I know its not game related particularly but you strike me as super cool. So I'm intrigued. Does avoiding voicing scumreads advance the gamestate as well as pushing ''scummy'' players in your experience?

Early game PoE seems deadly

Completely selfish reasons which is that my TRs are a lot more accurate than my SRs D1. D2+ the gloves are off though. So the motivation for me giving a readslist at this point is to try and give as accurate reads as possible so I don't look like a fool when I document my reads in my wiki. And ofc this helps other people trust my reads more D1 (if I am Town) so it's really a win win for my win con.

And thanks! You're not so bad yourself.

P-Edit: really glad you brought that us Vivi. NM needs to get their ass in here and explain themself.

[the worst]

@Oxy If I'm reading you right you were trying to get other people's opinions on your null reads earlier?

Sure - do you have any you would like to share?

Nothing much except what I said on duckling earlier. What do you think of duckling's post #482?

What do you think of it?

[the worst]

I also kinda like that Oxy gave a reads list with only TRs. Funny enough, given I have been keeping track of my reads in my reads lists and seeing how accurate I was, I will say giving only Town/Null reads has crossed my mind a lot lately.

I know its not game related particularly but you strike me as super cool. So I'm intrigued. Does avoiding voicing scumreads advance the gamestate as well as pushing ''scummy'' players in your experience?

Early game PoE seems deadly

Completely selfish reasons which is that my TRs are a lot more accurate than my SRs D1. D2+ the gloves are off though. So the motivation for me giving a readslist at this point is to try and give as accurate reads as possible so I don't look like a fool when I document my reads in my wiki. And ofc this helps other people trust my reads more D1 (if I am Town) so it's really a win win for my win con.

And thanks! You're not so bad yourself.

P-Edit: really glad you brought that us Vivi. NM needs to get their ass in here and explain themself.

That's interesting, playing to your strengths & meta in a big way. I think I'm bad at early sorting but I get very strong vibes so I do it anyway.

Haven't been in enough games yet to know my overall accuracy.......yikes

[ceejayvinoya]

@Oxy If I'm reading you right you were trying to get other people's opinions on your null reads earlier?

Sure - do you have any you would like to share?

Nothing much except what I said on duckling earlier. What do you think of duckling's post #482?

What do you think of it?

I wanted to see his response to you calling him inexperienced.

[Quick]

@Oxy If I'm reading you right you were trying to get other people's opinions on your null reads earlier?

Sure - do you have any you would like to share?

Nothing much except what I said on duckling earlier. What do you think of duckling's post #482?

What do you think of it?

I wanted to see his response to you calling him inexperienced.

Indeed.

[the worst]

Ah, what are your thoughts on it?
I'm inexperienced too just like sharing ideas

[the worst]

Sorry to be more specific

Have I not realised he's an alt of someone? Or did that come across as rude?

[Quick]

Haven't been in enough games yet to know my overall accuracy.......yikes

Well, I have 101 games on record discounting hydra games and games that aren't really mafia so I am guessing have quite a bit of experience on you. You will get there. The super cool part is when you start to figure things out that are specific to you (which comes first) and then learning what is true for the game in general.

[ceejayvinoya]

Ah, what are your thoughts on it?
I'm inexperienced too just like sharing ideas

You all did alright. I was expecting a lot of name calling and "noooo, youuu suck because so and so". Sooo some more townlean points I guess?

[the worst]

Haven't been in enough games yet to know my overall accuracy.......yikes

Well, I have 101 games on record discounting hydra games and games that aren't really mafia so I am guessing have quite a bit of experience on you. You will get there. The super cool part is when you start to figure things out that are specific to you (which comes first) and then learning what is true for the game in general.

Holy crap that's an impressive record. o_0 I'm starting to get a pretty good feel for my meta overall I think. it's a start.

[Quick]

Ah, what are your thoughts on it?
I'm inexperienced too just like sharing ideas

Sorry to be more specific

Have I not realised he's an alt of someone? Or did that come across as rude?

Oxy reminds me of this guy who a year or so ago said he had been here for 8 years. Def not a hard read there or anything but he certainly plays like he knows his way around a Mafia game. That said, I can also see him as someone who because they are quite logical, comes across as having more experience than they really do.

I think you're alright considering if that was "rude" or not. This game gets pretty heated at times.. if he has experience he knows this and so he prolly isn't going to feel too bad about it.

[the worst]

Ah, what are your thoughts on it?
I'm inexperienced too just like sharing ideas

You all did alright. I was expecting a lot of name calling and "noooo, youuu suck because so and so". Sooo some more townlean points I guess?

Ah.. I hope we're not that far down the rabbit hole yet! It's D1, plus we have to be careful with you around as you may be able to cast flare or meteor

It was more context to an admission of my own mistake honestly. On reread it reminded me of my earliest games' play a little. I like Oxy's style.


Btw so it's out there I only started playing towards the end of last year. Join date is lies wiki is correct.



pedit: he does come across as confident with mafia. More a MS meta inexperience kinda thing since for the mostpart we are anti-pussyfoot.

[Iconeum]

UNVOTE:

I'm tempted to join the Pintu wagon, is there a legit scum case on him?

2 RVS votes and a shitty-reads justification vote. I'm going to hold off on that wagon for now actually.

Then why were you tempted in the first place?

[Quick]

Haven't been in enough games yet to know my overall accuracy.......yikes

Well, I have 101 games on record discounting hydra games and games that aren't really mafia so I am guessing have quite a bit of experience on you. You will get there. The super cool part is when you start to figure things out that are specific to you (which comes first) and then learning what is true for the game in general.

Holy crap that's an impressive record. o_0 I'm starting to get a pretty good feel for my meta overall I think. it's a start.

Yeah, I think some people have more Newbie games played than I have total, so it's all relative.

[Iconeum]

@ceej I'm done arguing with Oxy atm, Oxy/Sando have better chemistry. I like Oxy but we don't mesh well right now.

Oxy is still doing a lot of stuff that pings me but it's looking more inexperienced than independently scummy, his convo with Sando is towny for the most part. I'll bend to Sando's will and exempt him from my lynchpool for today

why not engage with him? You are scumreading him. Another players disagrees and you just begin ignoring him?

[Oxy]

UNVOTE:

I'm tempted to join the Pintu wagon, is there a legit scum case on him?

2 RVS votes and a shitty-reads justification vote. I'm going to hold off on that wagon for now actually.

Then why were you tempted in the first place?

Questions I can't believe I didn't think to ask for 400, please.

[the worst]

@ceej I'm done arguing with Oxy atm, Oxy/Sando have better chemistry. I like Oxy but we don't mesh well right now.

Oxy is still doing a lot of stuff that pings me but it's looking more inexperienced than independently scummy, his convo with Sando is towny for the most part. I'll bend to Sando's will and exempt him from my lynchpool for today

why not engage with him? You are scumreading him. Another players disagrees and you just begin ignoring him?

Are you fully caught up?

[Iconeum]

I am fully caught up, but my posts were made as I was reading.

[the worst]

No problems. Do you still want my reply to your question?

[Sando]

I'm feeling pretty good about the way Oxy is handling the pressure.

Ignore the pressure from me and duckling for a second, what's the town motivation for the desire to go after someone's town-read like Oxy did?

Do you find it odd the forceful desire for others reads and his judgement of them, when his read of Vivi as town due to "reasons" was defended with this:

Reasons mean reasons I can't, or will not, give. I kind of thought that was obvious..

Also: Vivi is CJ right?

[ceejayvinoya]

Yeah they call me Vivi

[the worst]

Sando I know WIFOM etc. but do you think scum would actually do that? Given the flakiness of his reads I can see it coming from town or scum equally.

[Sando]

Sando I know WIFOM etc. but do you think scum would actually do that? Given the flakiness of his reads I can see it coming from town or scum equally.

You mean the denigrating someone's TR or "reasons". I agree on "reasons", I'm just using it as context for "this is odd", so I'll address denigrating TRs.

TRs pose no threat to a townie, they pose a threat to scum, because if they become accepted the scumhunt pool gets narrowed, and if allowed to continue then the pool becomes small enough to allow for a reasonably easy town win.

If I'm a townie, I'm only looking to go after someone's TR is I'm pushing to lynch that person they're TRing. In that situation, I'm going to look to convince you of scumminess, rather than go after their actual TR and insist they "prove it". For example, me and you on mutant early this game regarding his current play vs meta. But unless I think your TR should be a SR and lynched, I'm not going to make more than a passing comment on it, because I really don't care that you and me don't share a TR perfectly.

In short, I don't see a townie reason to go after a TR like that unless he wanted that person lynched, and he seemingly didn't.

If I'm scum, especially in a 2 faction game like this, if I see a townie TR another townie, there's a few issues happening. If it becomes accepted and reciprocated then a town-bloc can start to form and now scum is screwed. I can either try to get into the town-bloc or I can look to break it up. Going after the TRs are showing that they're bad is one way to attempt to break up a potential bloc.

In short, scum do have a reason to go after a TR beyond just trying to get that person lynched.

What's muddying this for me is he went after my TR when I was also arguing for his towniness. Scum playing their cards right (ie not what he did), would probably prefer to get into a town-bloc than stick their neck out to hurt it.

Then again maybe they're either and never considered a town-bloc and just decided to pick a fight.

[Sando]

He's an unashamed troll and he's beautiful.

He is literally unreadable, literally naked lolhammers at will as either alignment, etc., etc. I'm also jealous because I'm not as cool as him so yeah

At what point does playing with someone who basically never posts become fun?