Just Play the Hits uPick - Video Killed the Radio Star

[Gamma Emerald]

Heyheyhey, confirming my role yo

[Gamma Emerald]

o rite I played with mollie before in a micro
sorry for being a dumdum in tha past

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Mollie tell me who to vote

[Gamma Emerald]

I technically got my first but I wanted the second on my list

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tru
dude tried to pl me once I should return the favor
VOTE: Sir EHJ

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o rite auto-vcs
VOTE: Sir Elton Hercules John

[Gamma Emerald]

Confirm and will check role tonight

why haven't you read your role -_-

Hey mathdino, I havent asked this yet but are you a mathblade alt?

VOTE: Vaxkiller

Did you not read the first post?

VOTE: Godel

dude's always scum, let's get a real wagon going

i also got my first choice even though i also lowkey wanted my 2nd

i assume napoleon is kesha

Maybe? What are you seeing?

I sent my picks and then realised I forgot that Nickelback was a valid pick but cbf changing.

Yo
Honestly I might have had Nickelback as a pick if I'd watched a certain Let's Play (the channel) video before picking

VOTE: CooLDoG
new serious vote

Gonna lynch this now.
VOTE: Venmar

It's as though he saw that he was on the quickly growing wagon on Sir Elton Hercules John and realized either:
1. "Oh no gonna lynch my scumbuddy gotta switch gears"
or, more realistically (what I think)
2. "I'm going to catch flak for this flipping green if it's turbo-lynched, better distance myself entirely from this wagon."
The whole 'serious vote' bit is awkward, especially given it's not explained in a geriatric game.
Also, I feel like CooLDoG is a cool dawg, but has blown a load and self-destructed plenty of times when run up fast early on in other games. Dude used a dayvig shot on an IC in one of my games once. Regardless, I feel that Venmar might want to shift some of that huge SirEltonHerculesJohn-wagon momentum to CooLDoG while avoiding any real agency for it.

@Pirate Mollie:

You avoiided answering me. I wanna know if I can trust you in this game.

So bascially oppotunistic off-voting point plus pushing the guy with documented issues (no offense to CooLDoG)? seems fair

going to go ahead and veto all of that overly-explained noise, sorry

Naaaaah this feels like scum
but I'll wait to push this way, have read Venmar wrong before

lol i was sleep deprived when i read that

i understand now

okkkk so i think my negative ability is debilitating to the point of my entire role working significantly better as a scum role

like ability could actually ruin lategame

so bye bye abilities tbh

This feels kinda like a scumpost, like "I'll describe my role as kinda scummy to sliiiiide it in there as a thing that could be town"

Yeah, no one should claim if they've used their negative ability or plan on using it, if we can avoid that, as I feel it gives scum far too much info to mess with. I mean, if you absolutely have to claim it, do so, but yeah. Also, think about if your 'good' abilities should even be used early on enough to warrant your negative ability hitting game early. Balance that out in your head and don't just pop off on D1/N1, please.

Not a fan of Venmar's engagement with, or lack thereof, my vote/rationale on him.
Also not crazy about the whole "My serious vote was reaction-bait for someone to nitpick" angle he's playing.
Gonna stay parked right where it is.
Get got.

Yeah this is true if you're never using your neg you can never use your other abilities so mafia rb wouldn't need to block you (feel like with at least 3 different likely unique roles there's a high chance of maf rb shot)

i'll just spell out that if you think that I, or any scum of non-newbie caliber for that matter, would feel the need to hop OFF of a wagon this early in rvs to avoid a "turbo-lynch" on a buddy OR green, thinking it would actually happen, is simply idiotic

The fact that you're cognizant of this and that you're willing to levy it as a defense of yourself means that you're meta-critical enough to make the play as scum. So, no, it doesn't make me some big dummy for thinking you're not above first-level play, though I do get you taking offense at me considering you first-level, especially if you're third-level scum as would have to be the case here.

you: if you're third-level scum, you would do it and therefore you're scum
also you: if you're first-level scum, you would it anyways as a meta-critical move, and therefore you are scum anyways

oh ok i love these arguments, shows why i don't care enough to engage with them in the first place?

will also point out that slapping varsoon with the above "this move is idiotic" argument wasn't even my go-to response.

Ooh I like this response, nice and spicy
Also makes me look at Varsoon for that "damned if you do damned if you don't" vibe

@Venmar: You've got it wrong (1st level scum would just do the scummy thing and stay on the wagon, 2nd would intentionally avoid that scumplay for towncred, 3rd would make the play and use meta as reason for why scum wouldn't do something so stupid) and are really caught up in presenting me in a negative way rather than grappling me and I don't like that.

@Deathnote: Oh, no, I very much want a lynch on Venmar. I just think I get way better info/interactions pushing him than my other scum candidates.

@Mathdino: I think my scumplay is mostly to flounder around and hope I make it to endgame, more realistically. That and BIG GAMBITS.

Meh I guess that's fair
I was gonna vote Venmar before I saw the post I liked, now I'm kinda townreading him

[Gamma Emerald]

@DeathNote the 1st/2nd/3rd stuff (who's on first lol) is basically a discussion of wifom play.

[Gamma Emerald]

HOT TAKE: The wallposts ARE the garbage (except mollie's, which is post restricted). Varsoon/Venmar's posts these past 3 pages have added nothing to the game for me.

Hard townreading mollie. Goodpost. That said, I don't think Varsoon lying about his scumgame is AI; everyone likes to downplay their scumgame as either alignment. I, for example, suck at scum.

Gamma saying "THIS COULD BE SCUM YO" at all 3 of the most active players is annoying af. Seems like it's more indicative of his emotional state (suspicious) than actual reads, lol.
Gamma why u still voting UT boyo?
Godel's Vax vote was just bad, that's mainly it.

@DeathNote: My understanding is that the roles were created and then the alignments were randomised. Like, my neg ability is so potentially ruinous for town (at least IMO) that I think the benefit scum get out of just using it and claiming their neg ability is something else, far FAR outweighs the potential towncred I could get for getting up on stage and saying HEY GUYS I'M NOT USING MY NEGATIVE ABILITY LOOK AT HOW TOWN I AM. Which I accept is pretty much what I did there.

For the people still not voting and RVS voting, can we get a wagon on Godel going? Shit Vax vote, obviously Vax not knowing if I was a Mathblade alt is not alignment indicative.

I ended up townreading Venmar, pls MD, pay attention. I think I try to be realistic about my scumgame, but I feel like sometimes I oversell my towngame btw.
I was still voting UT cos I didn't see any non-RVS wagons I was interested in (until now). Your Godel reasons seem appealing tho so
VOTE: Godel
PEdit: crispy take; we should just let people post however unless it's just not working or it seems scummy.

[Gamma Emerald]

wowrip the one thing I was likely going to say to DN on that post got ninja'd by mathdino
I guess I'll ask: which vote do you think most likely comes from scum DeathNote?

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@mollie See about what? General game thoughts are maybe MD might be scum but I kinda wanna ride this wagon out for a while.

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Kinda townreading you and Ven
Warsoon no real opinion on but my Ven/Var opinions will likely be independent of MathDino's alignment
Also what's that about MathDino taking issue with rolefishing? If it is what I think it is he's getting voted

[Gamma Emerald]

Wait
actually MD taking issue with rolefishing isn't that much of an issue as I thought it was
Forgot his alignment in a past game where rolefishing came up, now that I remember it the issue I had is gone

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Hi kinda worried Godel is lurking out

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@deathnote

Are you town reading Godel?

Irrelevant to my points but no. I would say null right now.

It is tho. Who breaks down and inspects the beginning's of a wagon on a null? I would get it if you were town reading them, but a null?

VOTE: DeathNote

No it isn't. I was analyzing the quick succession of 3 people voting and I was doing that because there was no case on Godel. His first post RVS vote wasn't enough to convince me that all of you voted reasonably. It was just another bandwagon that I felt had a strong chance of having scum on it and I'd rather look into that then figure out if Godel is scum or town from one post.

Godel was Null and I was challenging anyone (You included) for why they were voting him.

I like how you were working things out before cos it seemed you really were trying to solve but it looks like you are sucking up to venny and varsoona in a big big way considering they are the most vocal players rn. :/

Oh Mollie... this is a very very bad post. Sucking up to Venny and Varsoon? Question to the room.

@Everyone here - Did my post #148 look like it was me sucking up to the Double Vs? Let alone in a "big big way"?

Are you just trying to scare me off of following them because they created a case against you even tho no one is voting you yet for said case? Your reaction is far more defensive then anyone else's in the game thus far and not just to me but also to Venmar.



Anyways...

I'm interested in Vax swapping from Godel to me after my post. I would say it's too clever for scum to immediately pop off a shit wagon like that and onto the person calling them out, especially since I honestly believe Vax thinks I was scummy.

That narrows my vote to between Elton and Hebi.

VOTE: Hebichan

What do you think of me + my vote since you missed me being on the wagon initially?

[Gamma Emerald]

DeathNote
How was it not clear?

[Gamma Emerald]

Phone posting so i don't wanna get into this till tonight. Will say I'm in venmars side here as everything he has said this page is from town and makes for a much better case then godel shitty vote.

I don't think this is sucking up btw, plus if the goal was to suck up to people I feel like the "shitty godel" vote part runs a greater risk of rubbing people thew wrong way

[Gamma Emerald]

Assemble pls

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm with Mathdino in waiting for Godel (even though if I'm not going to be voting Godel my next pick would prolly be MD)

[Gamma Emerald]

y espeon tho

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah actually that last line of 213 looks like dismissal of DN's attempts to sort
VOTE: Espeonage

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel like I should weigh in on this because you're all technically chainsaw defending me, but I don't have a read on Espeonage yet, and want more interaction with him before I lock that in.

Interested to hear more thoughts on that front from Gamma/SKrew.

Gamma in particular, because you mentioned said earlier you were ready to go after me once you were done with the Godelwagon. Has anything changed?

Me being less interested in you after time had passed. I also kinda get the feelin you might be town a bit more now? dunno why tho, will check myuself on that

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel like I should weigh in on this because you're all technically chainsaw defending me, but I don't have a read on Espeonage yet, and want more interaction with him before I lock that in.

Interested to hear more thoughts on that front from Gamma/SKrew.

Gamma in particular, because you mentioned said earlier you were ready to go after me once you were done with the Godelwagon. Has anything changed?

Me being less interested in you after time had passed. I also kinda get the feelin you might be town a bit more now? dunno why tho, will check myuself on that

You've been feeling kinda undercommited and unsure this entire time and honestly Gamma has been bothering me since the initial math wagon, in light of godel not being around, gonna do this.

VOTE: gamma

Godel is probably replacing, and I would rather start fredh on that slot if that is the case.

Um what are you metaing me off of? I don't think I've played with you before.

[Gamma Emerald]

Actually how am I "undercommited"? I have the third most posts currently (with this should be tied for second). What are you defining as undercommited?

[Gamma Emerald]

I thought you were using meta cos phrasing
And yeah I guess it's fair to call that push undercommited, but I was hoping to squeeze content out of Godel. Though I guess saying that my heart wasn't in it wouldn't really put the full pressure on either. I'm feeling my current vote though.

[Gamma Emerald]

I have no qualms voting Dino at this point but I'm going to stay on Hebi for now. After going back through the game a bit, I'm pretty torn on how oblivious Hebi tends to be vs Dino actively focusing on smaller cases in comparison to bigger ones. I see it as potential scum faking a case on anything he can find.

Why are you staying on Hebi if you think Mathdino's behavior has a more clear scum motive?

[Gamma Emerald]

is there anything else good we can talk about in the remaining 3 minutes

how about gamma/hebichan

i could jive with the idea that if godel is town, one of gamma/hebi is scum

problem is i can't really tell which one

Why... I honestly think all-in-all her accusation of me is fair. So if you had to lynch one of me/hebi lynch me.

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I agree to the assertation I was being noncomittal to my Mathdino push. I'm actually interested in Espeonage tho
I recall him posting something and I should see if it's in response to the votes on him

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Wait Vax what the fuck happened when you went to quote 214?

[Gamma Emerald]

U'm, there's a quote button that copies the whole post......

[Gamma Emerald]

People I'd vote to lynch at this point
- Assemblerotws (active lurking (2-3 days between posts to prod dodge), self-beneficial posting)
- Mathdino (shit early play, like really bad, and then got worse somehow)
- Napoleon III (Needs to do something besides to show off how little he cares)

Meh:
- Espeonage (Not a big fan of their early stuff, but am a big fan of most of the stuff post-"Math why are you playing like shit?")
- Hebichan (Mini-issues)
- Napoleon III (Needs to do something besides to show off how little he cares)
- pirate mollie (I have a really hard time reading her, but more town than scum, atm)
- Varsoon (Didn't totally like early push, but his posts seem genuine, so he's barely in this list)

Not going to day 1 lynch:
- CooLDoG
- DeathNote
- Gamma Emerald (plays like a mastina clone, but not as bad)
- Sir Elton Hercules John (Hate the alt, just be Untrod Tripod)
- SleepyKrew (Not sure why he's voting Espeonage though)
- Vaxkiller
- Venmar

Assembler read is meh, I feel like he got read as scum as town for that exact reasoning in mini 1934
I actually agree on Napoleon III and think a vote there would actually be nice
VOTE: Napoleon III
Also how am I a mastina clone I don't wallpost nearly enough (inb4 that's the joke)

[Gamma Emerald]

Vote Napoleon everybody

If he were town he'd be more active and engaged

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^ i honestly think most of the players in this game would be more active and engaged if they were town so it's a very mute point for me at this point.

But he specifically doesn't like playing scum

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Ari's inactivity is null
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Napoleon

how

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma

: I don't feel qualified to get an accurate read here (never played with scum-Gamma). Nothing early on seems to townclear him. Really glad that no one has provided a read on Gamma that I can factcheck /s
109 feels wrong. Useless self-meta line, a token Godel vote justification, and a super LAMISTy "LET'S LET EVERYONE DO WHAT THEY WANT, WHO CAN RELATE?" in response to my sarcasm.
Okay but then 153 really doesn't seem like something scum would make.

@Gamma:

Please elaborate on your read progression on me with regards to rolefishing.
A few seemingly random trajectories through the game seems pretty town to me; I can't really come up with political reasons to justify his switches. Espeonage wagon was bad but believable, and Napoleon is a fine vote.
Null if only because I'm being pulled in a few ways on this. I would trust players who've played with Gamma here.

First off why are you devaluing your meta here? You've played with me a couple of times. I can provide scumgames if you like.
109 I didn't realize it was sarcasm
153, The rolefishing thing, I thought there was an inconsistency between this game and the UPick but it was explained by you being scum, so rather than my point being wrong it was nullified by remembering the circumstances.

[Gamma Emerald]

gamma emerald (some reservations here, could bump this lower since i feel like i'd expect more out of town-gamma based on my experience with him so far)
...

will repeat

- i want varsoon to do something plsssss. also pirate mollie and gamma emerald. will help quite a bit to help sort them.

eh wot m8
Is this based off Valentine's dance or...

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I dunno mathdino, this kinda sounds like your trying to pass off your scum abilities to appear as "crappy" town. I would think instead of being ascetic that works with NK, you would have a BP or something. I'll be on later tonight.

Dino: does it legit say "ascetic also for nks" or does it have a name and you're paraphrasing
I'd call that ability a commute tbh but that's just cos I had it in a past game and that's what I chose to call it

As for the next day janitor I could see it, is it a self-janitor or does it happen for everyone?

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CooLDoG is town btw
PEdit: are you intentionally being dense

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I dunno mathdino, this kinda sounds like your trying to pass off your scum abilities to appear as "crappy" town. I would think instead of being ascetic that works with NK, you would have a BP or something. I'll be on later tonight.

(and why would scum be more likely to get a BP than an ascetic, wat?).

That's just it, they wouldn't. I was arguing that your role SHOULD be BP if you were town, not some weird ass ascetic role. Does anyone else's passive role not make sense like this?

You also ignored gamas 152

do you mean 153, in which case he doesn't have to respond now because I determined there was a fault on my end

Well, page 4 was useless.
Also, Gamma, I keep thinking you're Bins and I don't know how to feel about this.

How? I'm not a skittle so it's very weird.

@DeathNote the 1st/2nd/3rd stuff (who's on first lol) is basically a discussion of wifom play.

Then why waste posts on it? Seems useless.

I kinda agree it was a waste but for them it was an argument about tells essentially.

[Gamma Emerald]

P1) Math Dino is scum or town
P2) IF Mathdino is town, THEN he would not claim scum. *
P3) Mathdino said his claim was a scum claim. By modus tollens,
P4) Mathdino is

NOT

town. By disjunctive syllogism we get,
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C) Mathdino is SCUM

yup you're just dense. Get over your ideology and actually think "Why?". Why would Mathdino claim such a role as scum? There's no benefit to it as we can clearly see, plus he very well could have made something up, and that's if they didn't receive fakeclaims. As such it more likely he's town is just stuck with a weird role.

[Gamma Emerald]

gamma emerald (some reservations here, could bump this lower since i feel like i'd expect more out of town-gamma based on my experience with him so far)
...

will repeat

- i want varsoon to do something plsssss. also pirate mollie and gamma emerald. will help quite a bit to help sort them.

eh wot m8
Is this based off Valentine's dance or...

yes

Eh well for that game I was pretty fired up because I felt strongly about things, here it seems like it took me a while but I'm definitely in that "ready to fight it out" mode now

[Gamma Emerald]

gamma is pretty freaking worrisome considering his bff sheep vote and then suddenly I am like persona non grata. where is the love gamma

You've sorta been off my radar for now. Will say I'm thinking you're town so far

[Gamma Emerald]

Honestly I think Mathdino is right that he's been incredibly pro-town and to lynch him is town destroy the town's primary driving force. If you still want to vote him you should provide contrary evidence.

[Gamma Emerald]

Again look at his play not his claim
...I'm almost certainly going to be draining my reserve today...

[Gamma Emerald]

also like can't we just force mathdino to use his negative and then no-lynch the next day to waste the clean? like the fact we can circumvent it doesn't make it add-up as a negative that reck would design to be negative, i think math might've just found a super scummy ability and claimed it as his negative

PEdit: i have been looking at his play lol. we're in claim territory now too and i felt like saying something about it

Oh my god this is actual genius thnx Venmar for bringing that up
Math or anyone else if you object to this please state your specific objection and I'll get to you on whether I think it's fair or not

[Gamma Emerald]

@Mathdino: is there any way to prove you've used your negative ability?

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w/e I was thinking about something but since Math's role is useless overall I don't think I care to
I still wanna lynch Napoleon but I kinda feel like his posting so far is okay...?

[Gamma Emerald]

w/e I was thinking about something but since Math's role is useless overall I don't think I care to
I still wanna lynch Napoleon but I kinda feel like his posting so far is okay...?

Why would you still want to lynch him? Feels like scum trying to case not voting on a buddy.

Still thinking gamma is scum, just not seeing it getting traction today and I also feel pretty decent about napoleon scum.

Why wouldn't I unvote?

[Gamma Emerald]

idk about this Mathdino!scum idea
Do you not think more would be stepping up to defend him if he were scum?
I think regardless of his claim I want to leave him alive for now

[Gamma Emerald]

I admit I'm unsure if Mathdino is scum. But he is easily the most anti-town person in the game (both in role and posting).

What the fuck
Tell me how his posting is anti-town

mathdino is the most anti-town person posting wise????

hey gamma don't think I don't see you ignoring me/hebi

What do you want? Hebi I think all I'd be doing is going around in circle if I argued with her so I'm not cos geriatric guidelines say not to do that

[Gamma Emerald]

What do you want?

an explanation, preferably one that isn't garbage tia

Of what? stop wasting my posts you dinkbrain

[Gamma Emerald]

After that post I went into your ISO and found this

I still wanna lynch Napoleon but I kinda feel like his posting so far is okay...?

elaborate

I feel like he's in between for me, he hasn't fully caught up and some things I find weird but none of his posting rings that scummy to me

[Gamma Emerald]

Because at this point it's a bit of a stretch to wagon someone else. Why don't you vote me and try to disprove it?

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You guys are going to fuck this all up. Dino is acting like he just wants to live to tonight so he can use his Janitor. Do not lynch Napoleon today. Lynch DIno

Need to mill this over. It may end up being a slip.

Why?

Re: mathdino possibly janitoring tonight, if he's scum do you think he's telling the truth about action distribution? In fact I'm pretty sure someone arguing that point probably already thought of that. Possible scum push?

You announced early on your role was scummy. I want you dead because I believe you to be scum now. Your "ascetic +NK" into "Ascetic" explanation is BS and untrue. And yeah, I get it, when looking at your role you DO try and think how its going to be used, ans sometimes you make bad assumptions, but that ASSUMPTION should not be EXTRA ADDED WORDS.

You either are town and assumed that ascetic meant you were also immune to NK or
Scum and lied and that's why you added the ascetic +NK

The NK was never in your PM according to you, and you "imagined it there" only the problem is. You looked at your PM extensively for this post:

POST 353 PROVES YOU ARE SCUM.

BECAUSE YOU HAD TO LOOK AT YOUR ROLE PM AND YOU DID NOT CORRECT YOUR "ASCETIC +NK" CLAIM THEN

Geez Wake up sheeple

zzzzzzzzzz
I've seen town stupidly not state their full role
I mean Mathdino himself saw me oopsie by claiming one-shot rather than novice in a recently ended game

hey, no. the janitor shouldn't be used, what?
Ari's town. can we lynch Venmar instead? :>

Maybe? I'm more inclined on vax than ven currently but I could be convinced. Still feel like Ari's not done enough to make me townread him tho

I feel like Ven has thought his plan through and it might be advisable tbh
Also Napoleon claim all of it, flavor and abilities

[Gamma Emerald]

WHY THE HELL WOULD I EVER WANT TO JANITOR

A TARGET

HOW DOES THIS HELP YOU IN ANY WAY

wait what

[Gamma Emerald]

What
Can you describe what about your songs fits each role

[Gamma Emerald]

until mylo/lylo

Are both of your things like this (the loved and hated)?

[Gamma Emerald]

what games has Reck modded in the past?

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idk man
I'm kinda skeptical of Napoleon because I have the same negative as him because the mod hates the song picked for the negative slot making it a hated shot, feels strange the mod would have varying logic for roles
Napoleon what did the mod call your negative ability role wise?
Also reads?

[Gamma Emerald]

Mod hates one of my songs so he gave me a really annoying post restriction.

Okay thanks for that
I still really dislike the thought of lynching mathdino right now

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm sorry everyone my internet has been out. I see we're at DUELING WAGONS with 11 hours left. Anyone want to give me a cliff notes version of why I should vote with you

Mathdino's wagon is stupid because he's been one of the more activeand engaged players and yet people are completely ignoring his impact on the game state cos lolscumrole

[Gamma Emerald]

I appreciate that no one had any commentary on venmar actively trying to get me to use the janitor

Thanks for the hammer

I commented on it

[Gamma Emerald]

whoever roleblocked me, i hate you and all you stand for.

Probably a scum ability
I was also blocked

[Gamma Emerald]

Universal roleblock as a negative utility is only a negative utility if from town.

Venmar is pretty much confirmed town right now as far as I'm concerned.

Why wouldn't it block kills though

[Gamma Emerald]

it was a global roleblock that blocked every action that wasn't factional. i thought n1 was the best time to use it since i'd be blocking only negatives from town rather than possible positives. that said i understand i set-back town 1 night since y'all all probably still have your negatives to use. it's an extremely negative ability but i think it was worth using, i don't know, i was super fucking conflicted about it from the time i got my pm

Did you know it wouldn't let negatives be expended?

[Gamma Emerald]

meh if you weren't so forward I'd probably be turbolynching you, but your honesty at least gives us a name to the ability

[Gamma Emerald]

btw skrew I want you to vote in your next post

[Gamma Emerald]

those who tried to use abilities last night were all informed of that by the mod. that's why i was upset. i don't remember who, but someone besides me already said that.

me and someone else, think it was one of the v's

[Gamma Emerald]

Excuse me what
Mathdino I had a point I was interested in lynching you but I never acted on that desire because I was still pressuring Godel with my vote

[Gamma Emerald]

So why give that up to go wagon Espeonage when Godel had done nothing worthy of unvoting?

Still scumreading hebichan over you but yeah.

I'd given up on Godel at that point

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm not trying to do VCA to convince you guys I'm town, lol. I'm doing it to try to sort people myself. I'm obviously approaching knowing I'm town.

I believe that given my contributions and activity, scum were purposefully avoiding my wagon because of the terrible optics of it. If there IS scum on my wagon, I actually think it's Cooldog, who started it for questionable reasons and kind of just voteparked it the whole day.

In fact, given that literally all major wagons of the day except Espeonage are confirmed town FMPOV (and I'm townreading Espeonage), this points more to inactive scumteam and town implosion. Hence, hebichan.

Hm this makes quite a lot of sense actually (the town implosion bit). I'll definitely be on the lookout for those along for the ride.

[Gamma Emerald]

Also let's note if Venmar is telling the truth about his role it's conf multiball

[Gamma Emerald]

I will make sure to give a real try on analyzing d1 today

[Gamma Emerald]

Kinda townreading you and Ven
Warsoon no real opinion on but my Ven/Var opinions will likely be independent of MathDino's alignment
Also what's that about MathDino taking issue with rolefishing? If it is what I think it is he's getting voted

This is where I suspected Mathdino for all those thinking I wasn't. I got it wrong that the Gödel vote was why I didn't want to shift over.

[Gamma Emerald]

CooLDoG he's asking for your reads if HE'S town.

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CooLDoG he's asking for your reads if HE'S town.

My reads don't change? Like, how hard is that for you to understand?

So you have nothing you'd reconsider if Mathdino flips town at all? That seems quite cocksure imo.

[Gamma Emerald]

Unlike me how?

[Gamma Emerald]

So I'm not done checking yet but I think I know one scum based on MD's town implosion theory: SleepyKrew. Votes a null lurker for quite a while, also calls me his greatest scumread with no effort to push it ever. Most likely scum who wanted an easy wagon and didn't want to shift attention to themselves by changing the wagon state.
VOTE: SleepyKrew

[Gamma Emerald]

this game is truly a pinnacle of activity and scum must be lulzing as they coast

Literally my point all day

Do you have any read on the lack of apparent scum trying save me or hebichan

Cuz I'm inching toward literally lynching every single lurker slot

Don't lynch lurkers, lynch the ones that don't give a shit about changing the gamestate, like Sleepy who has me as his greatest SR yet does not care to push it ever, and decided to votepark on a null lurker.

[Gamma Emerald]

Lol even in rolemadness that tell can be used

[Gamma Emerald]

@Gamma: Not really. It's only natural that I'm bummed as fuck for not getting to use abilities that the setup is literally designed around.
Fuck off with the whole 'MAN ANYONE WHO IS BUMMED THAT THEY CANT BE A MECHANICAL PART OF THE GAME DUE TO ACTION FAILURE IS SCUM"
I am literal proof of that tell being absolute bullshit by sheer virtue of being bummed AND being town.
Furthermore, my apathy/frustration is more directed at the fact all my scumreads are coming up green.

what when did I post that
I haven't looked at this game all day but I swear I haven't said that

[Gamma Emerald]

Not Voting (5): Sir Elton Hercules John(1), SleepyKrew(5), Chara(12), pirate mollie(4), Vaxkiller(4)

should not be a thing when it is 7 to lynch and the biggest wagon is a whopping 2 people.

Scum is trying to kill out motivation, but town on that list better start contributing.

Guess who I'm voting
that's right SleepyKrew, get with me on that

[Gamma Emerald]

Answers to mollie's questions:
would 1v1 Skrew
Strongest townread is prob Venmar

[Gamma Emerald]

Not Voting (5): Sir Elton Hercules John(1), SleepyKrew(5), Chara(12), pirate mollie(4), Vaxkiller(4)

should not be a thing when it is 7 to lynch and the biggest wagon is a whopping 2 people.

Scum is trying to kill out motivation, but town on that list better start contributing.

Guess who I'm voting
that's right SleepyKrew, get with me on that

oh baby, keep pushing.

Seriously though, case it a bit more and maybe I'll actually think you're something other than wish wash scum.

I mean I already cased it as much as I really care to, do you object to my perspective of hunting via Mathdino's town implosion logic or is there something else you don't like?

Also yeah given the second post of reasoning Mathdino gave for this being an SK game I definitely agree with him there. Ali is notorious for hating multiball.

Also SEHJ for another scum? feels like he's picking on the methods Mathdino is using rather than the actual reads cos he doesn't like that Mathdino might be right

[Gamma Emerald]

Well the replacement has made my motivation to vote SK slot even lower.

Not really liking Gamma, Mathdino, or Elton anymore.

Willing to vote on any of them based on their recent posts.

Mhm will note this when titus flips scum. feels like backing off after replacement rather than continuing to press the initial read, which suggests scumbuddies to me

[Gamma Emerald]

That's your negative role?

Negative is the delayed.

Wait. So your negative modifier doesn't even really affect your ability to use your powers? Eeeeeh why are we all lapping this up feels like something possibly given to scum to reduce the gateway

[Gamma Emerald]

That's your negative role?

Negative is the delayed.

Wait. So your negative modifier doesn't even really affect your ability to use your powers? Eeeeeh why are we all lapping this up feels like something possibly given to scum to reduce the gateway

This is utterly terrible attempt to confuse.

Negative Modifer Delayed (1 shot)
Positive Roleblock (1 shot)

Second why would town have two roleblockers?

why wouldn't it? It's a UPick.

[Gamma Emerald]

Varsoon is lynchable, sticking with my scumread.

Let's be honest though, the more we spread out votes, the more likely I'm the deadline lynch.

So to reiterate reads (based on groupscum, not serial killer):
- My D1 wagon was likely 0 or 1 scum
- Lynch from the Napoleon wagon, multiple players appeared alignment informed
- Lynchpool: {hebichan, Varsoon, UT, Gamma}
- Don't-lynchpool: {Venmar, Vax, Chara, Titus}
- The setup is 11:3:1, and anyone who's ever played an Alisae game should know this.
- Stop thinking role is indicative of alignment kthx.

I believe Titus believes what she's saying about Venmar and that's honestly all that matters.

@Gamma: The roles were chosen before the picks were sent in. The roles were distributed to fit the picks.

Do you not know what the fuck a uPick is
Roles are designed after picks, always, always

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Gamma emerald

Alright then.

Do you have any reason to suspect me yourself or are you just taking CooLDoG's logic as law because lolwillage

[Gamma Emerald]

Honestly if they say they're self resolving I'm inclined to just believe them

Plus both are actually somewhat responsive which is nice

Hebichan, Gamma, UT lynchpool
And where the fuck is Espeonage, did I miss him producing content recently

Why isn't Titus in your lynchpool
Look at Skrew's d1 play and tell me that isn't scum trying to further the town implosion

[Gamma Emerald]

Honestly if they say they're self resolving I'm inclined to just believe them

Plus both are actually somewhat responsive which is nice

Hebichan, Gamma, UT lynchpool
And where the fuck is Espeonage, did I miss him producing content recently

Why isn't Titus in your lynchpool
Look at Skrew's d1 play and tell me that isn't scum trying to further the town implosion

Because she believes what she's saying about Venmar, and what she's doing is basically neg utility for scum when Venmar confs himself as town. If she pushes the logic of "there can't be 2 town roleblockers in this game" guess what's gonna happen once we get Venmar's role PM?

Titus is a policy lynch, nothing more.

Did I say look at Titus? No. I said look at

SleepyKrew

. Get it right.

[Gamma Emerald]

Do people want me to claim because if so I definitely can

[Gamma Emerald]

Feel like I'd be willing to lynch mollie for that vote. She has to know it's not going anywhere.

Plus SK-hunting is a huge mafia-tell.

Not quite. SK hunting

can

be a mafia tell, but it's not 100%. Look at my reasoning for voting mozamis in Large 199 and mozamis' flip (spoiler they were town).

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel kinda bad for this but I kinda wanna lynch Mathdino just so we can resolve his slot because like I don't see any way we

don't

always come back to him, and everyone screaming him down will be a major bother in the future.

[Gamma Emerald]

Fuck it I'm claiming.
My artist is Black Eyed Peas. As you know I have a self-hatedizer for my negative cos the mod hates the song, the song for it is Dirty Bit. My next two roles are weird, neither seems like a passive and only one feels like it's targeted/self. But my first positive is I Got a Feeling, a census taker. I use it and find out the amount of alive scum. I was trying to find a way to convince Mathdino to use his power without outright telling scum I had something to make it less destructive but I couldn't, however I believe there should be crumbs anyway. My last power is Where is the Love, a dead neighborizer.

[Gamma Emerald]

Honestly I don't know a better mass roleblock than day one. Town has no information and scum has all the information, it seems like a largely protown move, if not a bit unconventional.

The fact so many people are protesting it this hard is a little concerning to me, are the scum just trying to shade venmar?

ya know this ain't a half-bad logic. I mean it would honestly suck any day barring really late uses. Also what it means is likely roleblocks don't get rid of shots unless the mod hate his players and wants us to have to be stuck like this for another day but will take our positive if they're blocked
you know what that's a good mod question

@Reck if someone's passive/self or targeted is blocked do they lose it? Also, do all roleblocks have the same mechanics for whether they cause the shot to not be spent?

[Gamma Emerald]

"I don't know of a better way of snubbing town power in a role madness game than using a mass roleblock on day one. Why are people so upset over it?"

Fucking I DONT KNOW HEBI

And what about day 2? Same. Fucking. Problem.
PEdit: awesome we have some certainty in that we know we shouldn't be losing our powers if we get blocked

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Varsoon

Espeonage and Vaxkiller for scum on the wagon.
Hebi and Gamma for scum off of it.

fuck off with that, you quite clearly quickhammered
And btw I used my self-hatedizer so I'm hated today

[Gamma Emerald]

We had 4.5 days left. And the fact that mollie was the l-1 makes me think it was coordinated.

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah, scum with 5 lined up dead town by N2 double down on a hammer pile on, makes plenty of sense.
There's scum in one of you, I'm sure.
But I'm more sure of scum in one of Espeonage, Mollie, Chara.

I want to suspect the use of five here but to not be batshit insane I'll just say I find it a bit peculiar

[Gamma Emerald]

Varsoon, how do you figure?

Also if anyone hasnt figured it out yet, Venmar must have been a lightning rod because my negative went through (no PM to the contrary) and Sir Eltons still walking around talking! My negative was remove someone from one cycle of play.

Aha! So that explains the lack of second kill as well. I was thinking that over. And lightning rod seems really fitting, but honestly I was originally thinking mass watcher.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think I know one thing Varsoon intended to show already

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh god is that it
is that the posting restriction
...it's not all bad, I recall alisae did that in a MU turbo

[Gamma Emerald]

Also hebichan being vanillaed is an interesting outlier if all actions supposedly targeted Venmar

[Gamma Emerald]

Just different grouping methods.
I'm pretty sure Espeon is scum out of [Espeon, Mollie, Chara] and but I'm not really sure which between Hebi or Gama would be.
I'm not scumreading all of those slots, just, circumstantially, those people can't be all aligned together, imo.

Also you wanna know what really fucking stupid/funny
Hebi/Gamma
is the exact pairing Mathdino was looking to lynch in early D2
So you're sheeping Mathdino's reads now
call me the brainflator cos I just blew your mind!

[Gamma Emerald]

I was blocked for sure. My negative utility requires that I really trust another player, which is why I wanted to get it out of the way as early as possible when we had the highest number of town alive and more people I could trust.

If it's between Hebi and Gamma, Hebi's the scum, then.

VOTE: Hebi

I was looking at your voting history after a mod ISO for something else made me notice something and, why did you sheep Mathdino when you just voted him?

[Gamma Emerald]

I've had this game on ignore all day and nothing happened
someone tell me to look at someone, and I'll do it when I get the chance

[Gamma Emerald]

Hebi I'd like to hear why you think Espe is scum for pictures, what are you getting from them?

[Gamma Emerald]

Hebi I'd like to hear why you think Espe is scum for pictures, what are you getting from them?

Espeonage is scum for jumping on my varsoon wagon mere minutes after I made it regardless of pictures.

I voted Varsoon too, why woould he not jump on then?

[Gamma Emerald]

Is because star wars a code

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Espeonage
I think it's time to bring this one back. Retro revival! Disco ain't dead!

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Titus

You are better than this.

Pardon?

[Gamma Emerald]

wat

[Gamma Emerald]

Hi
I have no idea if anything happened after my last post (from the most recent one), and I'm kinda disengaged, like the game just feels so boring

[Gamma Emerald]

my vote's already on espeon so

[Gamma Emerald]

Chara, elton and espe are scum. My vote goes on the wagon with the most votes for any of those 3. Sorry for not posting my usual content, my weekend was a shit-show.

I'm with Elton that this is pretty nutty wrt Chara and Elton both being scum, and idk but I remember Espe having an interaction with one of those that disinclines me to think they're scum together

[Gamma Emerald]

How does the person with your vote even cast it Varsoon?

[Gamma Emerald]

Should we be lynching mollie based off this?

[Gamma Emerald]

ok fine

[Gamma Emerald]

I think mollie is worse for trying to scumpaint Varsoon here

[Gamma Emerald]

I think mollie is worse for trying to scumpaint Varsoon here

explain

cos varsoona came after me

which has been pointed out

for something that never happened and he doesn't know for sure is scumpainting him.

he is trying to do it to me.

explain what part do you not understand about this. plz explain this.

then we can move on to why I think he is scummy for it. but you need to explain the basics first cos there seems to be synapse lapse going on here and I am pretty sure it isn't me.

I don't understand why your tone comes off as accusatory when Varsoon's play wrt the vote thing should very much be town to everyone? Like you can get upset but you aren't thinking as I'd expect a townie to.

[Gamma Emerald]

Varsoon(1)

~ pirate mollie(19)

[Gamma Emerald]

I think mollie is worse for trying to scumpaint Varsoon here

explain

cos varsoona came after me

which has been pointed out

for something that never happened and he doesn't know for sure is scumpainting him.

he is trying to do it to me.

explain what part do you not understand about this. plz explain this.

then we can move on to why I think he is scummy for it. but you need to explain the basics first cos there seems to be synapse lapse going on here and I am pretty sure it isn't me.

I don't understand why your tone comes off as accusatory when Varsoon's play wrt the vote thing should very much be town to everyone? Like you can get upset but you aren't thinking as I'd expect a townie to.

sooooooo saying that I received a pm that I never got is somehow townie in your eyes and not getting the phantom pm somehow makes me look worse?

NOT THE POINT
The point is if you were town I'd expect you not to be accusing Varsoon in your posts
Thinking about it I still want to lynch Espeon today though

[Gamma Emerald]

Varsoon(1)

~ pirate mollie(19)

ayup I have 1 vote not 2

but if I can control varsoona's funny I have a way to settle this and while I think it wld be hilarious to

me

, not sure it is best for town. I never had this role and while I understand how it works I am trying to figure it out in the most optimal way on how to use it.

I have given varsoona every single opportunity to come clean on this and he hasn't, he is ignoring my questions and now vax's to him.

explain how this is in any way a town mindset.

while you are at it explain how my reaction is scummy. varsoona is accusing me of something that never happened. <--- how the fuck is that townie and how the fuck does that make me scum?

but you know what? lets test this theory out. I am gonna find out.

varsoona votes gamma emerald

do you know whats great about this? its that I have a confirmable role.

I thought Elton stole your vote though
as for why your reaction is scummy, which is

the initial argument

, it's that you're not trying to find town motivation in what Varsoon did at all.
Also can someone interpret Espeon's posts and tell me if that vote makes sense for him?
PEdit: haha get fucked mollie

[Gamma Emerald]

also

to all the peeps I have played with before: have I ever NOT gone after some1 as town? varsoona is saying I don't. I thought pple disliked playing with me cos Itend to tunnel, have I been wrong all this time and that isn't what I actually do?

This is not the same play I saw in Walking Dead s2e1, but wrt to the question I don't think you tunneled in that game, your only major push was a guilty I feel, pls correct if wrong

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah I'm sorry but unless anyone points out how the espeonage posts point to his read changing on varsoon I'm not buying it

[Gamma Emerald]

I mean, honestly, go ahead and just do it chara. Like, the above post can't be from town.. His negative should have redirected. kill with fire.

Mine didn't redirect, so *shrug*
Like that you're voting espe but that's not a reason

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay I did check that game again and mollie did tunnel Joshz, thought she died night 2 in that game
Doesn't change my read but I will admit my mistake

[Gamma Emerald]

> is waiting on mollie
>mollie posted one the same page
...what?

[Gamma Emerald]

> is waiting on mollie
>mollie posted one the same page
...what?

I asked a follow up question after thier post.

If anyone is worried I will not let the day go without a lynch, but I really want to talk to people first.

Went and found my gamma question on my own.

And btw I used my self-hatedizer so I'm hated today

Gamma do you have conf you are hated?

Yeah I got a PM stating it

[Gamma Emerald]

My case isn't meta you lying scum
Also are you accusing me of lying about my negative?

[Gamma Emerald]

> is waiting on mollie
>mollie posted one the same page
...what?

I asked a follow up question after thier post.

If anyone is worried I will not let the day go without a lynch, but I really want to talk to people first.

Went and found my gamma question on my own.

And btw I used my self-hatedizer so I'm hated today

Gamma do you have conf you are hated?

Yeah I got a PM stating it

Vax pls

[Gamma Emerald]

Excuse me what? Tell me how mollie's reactions to me + Varsoon are remotely town. If you're not going to vote Espeonage at least vote mollie.
Also something about your "if they flip town what does that tell us" kinda rings ironic

[Gamma Emerald]

HOW DOES YOU MISSING MY POST MAKE MLLIE RTTOWNNV
B

[Gamma Emerald]

So why have you not gotten scum lynched?

Oh? It's up to me?

See espionage was town.

HOw is him vote flailing town

[Gamma Emerald]

If it's 3:2:2 we are close to fucked but not quite. a scum lynch is pretty important for today though in that case
also I'm hoping to have some answers to some things soon

[Gamma Emerald]

I mean the clusterfuck that was day 3

[Gamma Emerald]

That's not really an answer, what exactly do you want to figure out about day 3?

Some of the votefuckery
I have my answers now I have to figure out what the mean for the game

[Gamma Emerald]

I'll be back later. Just alive.

I think we should have everyone pick two players they do not want to lynch. Assuming multiball, that ought to give us a unique lay of the land.

I'd say Cooldog and Chara
also can someone tell me why Vax died? That seems like an odd kill

I'll be back later. Just alive.

I think we should have everyone pick two players they do not want to lynch. Assuming multiball, that ought to give us a unique lay of the land.

better yet, everyone should pick two, or even just one player they want to lynch and then vote that person. if we cannot immediately come to a consensus on who that person should be would should have a reasoned discourse about it.

some might call this strategy "a game of mafia"

not in fucking PLYLO

[Gamma Emerald]

I'd say Cooldog and Chara
also can someone tell me why Vax died? That seems like an odd kill

one scumteam was being careful not to overlap kills?
or SK, but i think we're screwed in the case of 3:3:1. :>

also, why am i one of your top TRs?

I feel like your effort level in these times is towny

[Gamma Emerald]

Varsoon(1)

~ pirate mollie(19)

ayup I have 1 vote not 2

but if I can control varsoona's funny I have a way to settle this and while I think it wld be hilarious to

me

, not sure it is best for town. I never had this role and while I understand how it works I am trying to figure it out in the most optimal way on how to use it.

I have given varsoona every single opportunity to come clean on this and he hasn't, he is ignoring my questions and now vax's to him.

explain how this is in any way a town mindset.

while you are at it explain how my reaction is scummy. varsoona is accusing me of something that never happened. <--- how the fuck is that townie and how the fuck does that make me scum?

but you know what? lets test this theory out. I am gonna find out.

varsoona votes gamma emerald

do you know whats great about this? its that I have a confirmable role.

btw you got one post to "prove" your role
I'm probably going to wreck my reserve this game day but like I don't care, scum fucked up by not killing me last night, the further I get into the game the more intense my efforting gets

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh hi this is a thing still
POST. MORE.

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay then. I was not expecting that.
btw mollie I'd still love to hear why the hell you responded to Varsoon's suspicions in the way you did

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: mollie
I'm leaning this way rn, plus venmar thinks it too

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: mollie
I'm leaning this way rn, plus venmar thinks it too

then you are scum with titus. cos there isn't gonna be a scum gladiator in this set up, you dummy.

explain

[Gamma Emerald]

It blocks non-factional kills
so SK should be able to break it

[Gamma Emerald]

currently i actually think they're both scum.

also there's no reason not to have a scum gladiator.
VOTE: Titus

what the fuck
what the hell makes you think gladiator can't be scum
honestly a lot of people shit the bed, maybe including myself for CCing Ari

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm town yeah
I legit targeted you because I figured you were the best one to help me get a handle on the game

lol gamma not picking me

I realized Venmar might be able to help me with decoding the mess of NAs
Plus he also suspected mollie and UT