Just Play the Hits uPick - Video Killed the Radio Star

[Kublai Khan]

Kublai Khan confirming. I will try to read the game by the end of tonight, but I'm finishing up some work stuff as I go so no promises.

@Mod - I'm sure it probably won't matter, but is my post count reset?

[Kublai Khan]

@kublai

you are in the lynch lead. what is your hot take on the pple on your wagon and the reasons why they are on your wagon?

gimme something juicy

I'm here. I've finished reading. Though it's been a long stressful day with a low amount of sleep the night before. So I want to sleep on my thoughts a bit if that makes sense.

I just finished playing a large social game, so I have the time to commit now.

I do have some early reads, both town and scum.

I'll give you a little juice though. One person on voting me/Godel is a strong scumread.

Goodnight for now.

[Kublai Khan]

People I'd vote to lynch at this point
- Assemblerotws (active lurking (2-3 days between posts to prod dodge), self-beneficial posting)
- Mathdino (shit early play, like really bad, and then got worse somehow)
- Napoleon III (Needs to do something besides to show off how little he cares)

Meh:
- Espeonage (Not a big fan of their early stuff, but am a big fan of most of the stuff post-"Math why are you playing like shit?")
- Hebichan (Mini-issues)
- Napoleon III (Needs to do something besides to show off how little he cares)
- pirate mollie (I have a really hard time reading her, but more town than scum, atm)
- Varsoon (Didn't totally like early push, but his posts seem genuine, so he's barely in this list)

Not going to day 1 lynch:
- CooLDoG
- DeathNote
- Gamma Emerald (plays like a mastina clone, but not as bad)
- Sir Elton Hercules John (Hate the alt, just be Untrod Tripod)
- SleepyKrew (Not sure why he's voting Espeonage though)
- Vaxkiller
- Venmar

[Kublai Khan]

Huh. I guess when I moved Napoleon III to the top category, I remove him from Meh.

And SleepyKrew hasn't been indifferent at all. He's bored.

[Kublai Khan]

Are those... not the same thing? Like there is nothing we can do to make mafia more entertaining then it is. I'm just saying that SK is a hard neutral for me right now just because he doesn't really give content and until flips happen I won't know much about him.

Really? I'll grant that SleepyKrew has made some fluff posts, but he has posted reads and made some good observations.

Is your suspicion of him just OMGUS or is there more to it?

[Kublai Khan]

Did the definition of OMGUS change? He isn't voting me nor do I feel threatened by him voting me. I'm not even suspicious of him, I am just saying that he is a hard null read because he gives bored one liners and clever little quips.

SK is just a more active napoleon or Assemble.

I'm just trying to suss your motives. Out of all my reads, the SleepyKrew-town one bothered you enough to mention it. Looking through your history, you only acknowledge and criticize SleepyKrew after he says he could go for a vote on you.

It's not totally a thing, but it's not nothing either.

Go iso SleepyKrew versus Napoleon III and Assemblerotws and tell me they are on the same level...

[Kublai Khan]

I don't really care to debate anymore between which of us has a stronger connection to SK. I'm just pointing out that you gave a town read to someone I feel hasn't given much content and I wanted to know why.

Scum generally are happy when people townread them out of the blue. They don't stop to repeatedly question it and then vote the person townreading them in the middle of a target-rich environment. I mean, it's possible, but very unlikely.

And FWIW, it's not a full town-read. It's a "town enough that it doesn't make sense for us to put time and energy into questioning them".

[Kublai Khan]

The best I can say here not having seen his scum meta is that I'm guessing this is town just because he wouldn't make 192

This is the second sentence of your analysis and it makes no goddamn sense at all.

[Kublai Khan]

and 154 isn't a completely brain dead thought.

And that post actually was a totally brain dead thought.

[Kublai Khan]

.......

Okay.

VOTE: MathDino

[Kublai Khan]

Mathdino, full claim please so we have the time to decide on what to do.

What about the setup of this game made you think that this is a worthwhile question to ask?

and 154 isn't a completely brain dead thought.

And that post actually was a totally brain dead thought.

He's dumb, so I'ma gonna vote him for it.

.......

Okay.

VOTE: MathDino

next post is literal brain dead from kk.

Were you even following what was happening?

Post 154 is a post from Assemblerotws where he says that both Varsoon and Venmar are both scum and they are arguing in order to lure Mathdino in a trap. Mathdino says it "isn't a completely brain dead thought". I call him out on it and he argues that he's never played with scum-Assemblerotws, but he imagined what scum-Assemblerotws would be like and he's not playing like that, therefore he's town.

If all that sounds like legit logic to you, then by all means call my vote braindead again.

[Kublai Khan]

Well, page 4 was useless.
Through 1/3 of the game and this is all useless. Why am I reading this?

Why did you sign up to play if this is going to be your attitude?

I read the whole game in 2 evenings and I felt guilty it took that long.

[Kublai Khan]

I love that pirate mollie chastises me for not reading then votes for someone that got replaced already.

[Kublai Khan]

I admit I'm unsure if Mathdino is scum. But he is easily the most anti-town person in the game (both in role and posting).

[Kublai Khan]

like i feel like my entire game was just being simultaneously shit on by the entire goddamn town while the scum buddied me until they were FORCED to lynch me to get rid of my reads

i was the single most active player in the game with the most accurate reads

that's not me being an arrogant bitch in general (i have godawful reads in a lot of games)

but that is me saying that you guys had 0 justification for treating my slot the way you did

Um.. For someone throwing a lot of shade at the rest of the game, you could brush up on your ability to effectively communicate. As much as your reads happened to be good, you couldn't lead people out of a burning building. Just a mess of bad logic and angry squelches.

Although yeah, the inactivity was horrible. Town lost more than scum won.

[Kublai Khan]

the "angry squelches" were admittedly a "don't mislynch me" ploy

Well yeah. That's my issue. Maybe I'm just really out of sync with whatever the current meta but "don't lynch me" is a massive red flag. It's why I couldn't ever really read you as town.

And if I can't read you as town, I'm either resisting or ignoring you.

[Kublai Khan]

If you're going to yell at town for not following you, then it kinda is on you to be more followable. Blame goes two ways.

[Kublai Khan]

- i complained about wallposts shitting up the game at the beginning and people got upset at me when i told them i wasn't going to read into them
also i ironically said "wallposts are all garbage" and old playerlists are apparently a 100% joke-free zone

- varsoon wanted someone he could trust (for his role), and i told him he could trust me. this was seen as scummy, so instead he "trusted" scum-pirate-mollie.

- i voteparked a lurker to pressure them into posting (and see who would jump on the wagon). they got replaced, the slot crucified me for it, and town didn't like the resultant reads i had

- espeonage repeatedly said i was playing like shit and assumed i would play better as town

- i stopped defending myself against wallpost cases made against me

- i literally claimed 1-shot janitor as my negative ability (which i'd softed by saying i would never EVER use it), and half the town treated that as me claiming scum in-thread

- my end-of-day reads list was full of psychological profiles on people (like strong townread on assemblerotws) and people assumed i was just making shit up

- 2 people who were scumreading me died N1

- i told everyone that my wagon was 100% town and they took this to mean "okay that means mathdino must be scum"

- i told everyone that the setup HAD to be 1 SK vs 3 scum and wasn't remotely 2:2 multiball and they were like "how the fuck could you possibly know that" and took my logic to be bullshit

Huh. Yeah. All that crappy shit you did. Don't do that next time. Maybe then I wouldn't be distracted with voting you.

[Kublai Khan]

explain exactly what about this post for example was shit

I'm a towntell reliant player.

Scum-Assembler in the situation where he wakes up and decides "hey I think the post I make is going to be one about how cool and pro-town I'm being reducing the effect of my negative ability!"
He doesn't go into the thread, say "Hey I found something" and just fucking leave without placing a vote. He's not a total idiot, and I'm making the assumption that he at least uses his one liner once-per-2-days posts to try to survive as scum.
Scum-Assembler feels like he'd go in and actually elaborate and make it clear that he's totally doing what's best for the town (rather than not explaining at all), and then posts a vote.

So yeah, towntell, he's just genuinely fuckin useless.

because it was 100% right and so far i have a good record of reading assemblerotws after my first game with him

Five posts earlier, you said a totally brain dead post wasn't brain dead which heavily implies that it has merit on it's surface. I ask you about it and you make the above post which is a completely different read/take on the post. You state that Assemblerrotws is useless and therefore town. It's a different take.

From my POV, you didn't explain your stance, you changed it. Sorry for not being able to towntell inconsistency. I'm sure maybe it was consistent in your mind, but it was't in practice. Then I voted you and you launched into a survival-motivated tirade about how nobody should lynch you because you are god's gift to mafia. Then you made one of the worst roleclaims I've ever seen.

So congrats on having better reads than me. No kidding, your reads were fantastic.

[Kublai Khan]

Oh. heh.

Well, having re-read all that, I can see that now.
Kinda unfortunate.

[Kublai Khan]

Yeah. I read your frustration wrong.

I'm pretty rusty and my return game had had very readable players so I guess I felt a bit cocky. I had read your frustration as scum-flailing because I reasoned that if you were town with your claimed role in a role-madness game you'd have a more resigned disposition. Like "eh, town's dumb and my role isn't much use so whatever".

[Kublai Khan]

oh yeah and psyche once did a study on Flailing as a scumtell

Hmm. Kinda interesting, but I'm not sure about the conclusions.

"Flailing" and other "tells" are just educated crapshoots until you get to know the players. I can reason that "player X is new, so they'll probably make X,Y,Z mistakes as scum", but it's way more difficult when facing an experienced player with whom I have no history.

If I had played 5 games with you before this one, I'd have a better idea of your level of stubborness and ego and likely wouldn't have clashed so hard with you.

[Kublai Khan]

Hey CD, what was the reason for targeting me on Night 1?