Gunner Mafia [Endgame]

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: CheekyTeeky

sheep me

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[Nero Cain]

VOTE: Nero Cain
Wolf in SHEEP clothing.

LAL!

VOTE: SRCEENPLAY

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[Nero Cain]

UNVOTE:

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[Nero Cain]

@ Bee

Why are you attempting to vote ppl not in the game?

[Nero Cain]

this game is annoying. I'm just going to lurk until all the trolls are dead.

[Nero Cain]

I think Quik is town unless this is MB

[Nero Cain]

Why does it matter?

[Nero Cain]

Why does it matter?

Interested in
-whether I'm there
-how you read me

you're scum yeah.

[Nero Cain]

I didn't really like your jokey 27. Seems uncharacteristic for you.

Can you list those trolls? Serious question.

this seems like a useless filler question and I don't see town asking this.

Quick Quick, give me three people you townread.
Also still interested in how you read the game like you said you did.

this felt like the kind of "throw gas on a fire" post that scum makes to fuel a wagon.

[Nero Cain]

most players are just bad so they look scummy b/c they are s bad.

[Nero Cain]

this is just a general statement about how I feel about MS play. In this game it could maybe fit for Creature and Quick.

[Nero Cain]

and most of the Quick wagoners

true

[Nero Cain]

and most of the Quick wagoners

true

at the same time

Quick(7) ~ Beeboy(47), Centipede Syndrome(38), CheekyTeeky(13), Ausuka(14), Hopkirk(31), Panopticon(11), Srceenplay(5)

I could see Centipede and Hop as scum. The rest of the bad votes are NAI as they'll vote bad regardless of alignment. Could be scum votes but I wouldn't be able to tell.

[Nero Cain]

feels like he's placating Nero

yeah, I agree.

[Nero Cain]

from now on can we all vote incorrectly so Mulch has to edit votes so they get picked up?

[Nero Cain]

I'm getting frustrated because I want to work with you and I don't think this is how you approach me as scum, so you're probably just being derpy town.

Have you played with Toranaga b4?

[Nero Cain]

I'm getting frustrated because I want to work with you and I don't think this is how you approach me as scum, so you're probably just being derpy town.

Have you played with Toranaga b4?

Um yes? Lol how would that make any sense if I hadn't?

just making sure.

[Nero Cain]

There's also this

I didn't really like your jokey 27.

Seems uncharacteristic for you.

Based on the one game I played with him, that's the impression I thought he had od me

Part of me feels like yeah if he thought I thought he was a troll then I could see where he thinks me not liking a shit joke is a thing.

But at the same time, I called his "joke" uncharacteristic as in I didn't have him pegged as a troll. So it seems surprising that he's not calling bullshit on me.

I mean, I did look at the game we played and he did open with a joke but I'm not going to townread him based on a joke.

[Nero Cain]

why on all?

[Nero Cain]

Well, I did think about Grey v. Hop being a SvS gambit.

[Nero Cain]

Right, I'm going to go do something useful with my time. Later losers.

[Nero Cain]

We can lynch Quick, you have my blessing.

[Nero Cain]

nero can absolutely be scum yes

y?

[Nero Cain]

though TBF Cheeky town reading me after death tunneling me in our last game kinda freaks me out. Would they really learn to read me in one game?

[Nero Cain]

no you did not you were scum reading me d1 too.

[Nero Cain]

@ town gunner

pls shoot Toranaga

[Nero Cain]

I think I like the Skies lynch.

[Nero Cain]

all these fuckers saying the scumread me but don't have the balls to stand up to me and say why are getting death tunneled and lynched.

[Nero Cain]

throwing nero in a town pile after ISOing him

most wolves probably didn't post enough to make themselves obvious etc

No, you don't get to placate me you little scumfuckle

[Nero Cain]

Town Gunner

(0)

, Mafia Gunner

(0)

So what do people make of this?

the numbers by our names are the post count, he can't list the post count of the gunners b/c it outs them.

[Nero Cain]

no, I'm just calling bullshit on your "scumread" on me. And then when you realized that you couldn't make a case you scampered away with your tail between your legs.

[Nero Cain]

maybe after SG

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: Brian skies

i lied i can buy the entry

Give me a reason that I should be voting Brian over Quick.

~The Observer

Is anyone else bothered by the fact mafia are flavored as wolves this game, but it's a mafia gunner and not a wolf gunner?

5. The players named Town Gunner and Mafia Gunner cannot be voted or targetted. They do not count for parity. Town Gunner is a villager, and

Mafia Gunner is a wolf.

willful misdirection?

[Nero Cain]

y in the world would anyone think 162 was fluff?

[Nero Cain]

no, just read this page and tell me what you think.

[Nero Cain]

Who asked you anyways.

[Nero Cain]

Yeah that felt like a stretch to me too. Nero goes down Brian goes up.

I swear to god you are an idiot.

[Nero Cain]

though you being scum isn't impossible either eh.

[Nero Cain]

look kid, I get that I hurt your feelings but you aren't nearly as important as you think you are. Sorry, not sorry.

[Nero Cain]

look kid, I get that I hurt your feelings but you aren't nearly as important as you think you are. Sorry, not sorry.

how did you hurt my feelings exactly?

so... no death tunnel? awww was looking forward to the cringe. tho you're providing cringe regardless, so maybe I didn't miss much.

Well, I was being slightly facetious (it's up to you if you believe that or not) but the whole you scum read me>>>I ask you to back it up>>>you can't back it up/you town read me kinda did make me You kinda threw a hissy fit and flailed out at me but I expect that for newer join dates regardless of alignment. You mostly seem useless but your reads are pretty much all over the place and change constantly but that's still null. Nothing really makes me lean one way or the other but I'm leaning teenager.

[Nero Cain]

age=//=mental age

[Nero Cain]

[Nero Cain]

I was being slightly facetious

like, true, I was interested in why you scum read me but meh. I've not really insulted you until lately so I'm not really sure why you were claiming that I was insulting you earlier when I wasn't. You, however, have been making snide remarks ever since I implying that you didn't have the balls to back up your case on me. These things about me not being able to handle being scum read and what not is just you projecting.

[Nero Cain]

Well, she is! "OMH Nero found something that contradicted the op and it made him @ Brian, but Brian had a good defense thus Nero is scummy." Like sorry, but your girlfriends logic is junk.

[Nero Cain]

y wouldn't she date you?

[Nero Cain]

ah, now things make sense

[Nero Cain]

1. Toranaga (they've said some things i agree with but i can't shake the feeling something isn't right. gut read)

21. Nero Cain (I was townleaning you before, but I'm reading your argument with Toranaga being a lot less productive than it could have been)

This feels like playing both ends against the middle and I hate it.

True, the thing I hate most about Tor is how he was playing a balancing act with his Creature read.

Sure, what are your thoughts on Nero atm?

What made you want to talk about me?

[Nero Cain]

a balancing act? pfft. are you trying to make me scumread you now? what the hell are you talking about?

I can throw up some quotes later but you have alot of "hey guiz wait, its too early to town read creature" while town reading him just enough that he wouldn't OMGUS you.

[Nero Cain]

Are you aware of Creatures meta?

[Nero Cain]

then y was it so strange that ausuka was town reading him. Creature giving reads isn't dependent I think.

[Nero Cain]

I mean it's not like reads are static. I think its safe to early town read Creature based on activity. Now if you Creature goes inactive and ausuka was still town reading her then yeah I can get why she'd be suspicious. If you are town here I think you jumped the gun a little early.

[Nero Cain]

Agree with Quick about Grey

Agree with Hop on Thor.

[Nero Cain]

this convo leads nowhere

I wasn't doing a balancing act, that's all I argued. you think creature farting itt is enough for a townread. f i n e. my lynch target is tchill anyway.

I wasn't trying to cast shade man. Trying to convince you who is Town is all.

Regardless of Tor's alignment...he knows. I'm just willfully antagonizing him on his bad reads. Not all that interested in the tchill or Screenplay scum reads he's pushing either.

[Nero Cain]

Nero what are your thoughts on Thor pushing the Srceenplay read onto Tor?

I'm not really sure what this is so I'll have to do a double ISO of them later and get back to you.

you're antagonizing my read with senseless reasoning. how does that work? how does mischaracterizing what I said so you can punch that strawman really hard make any sense, when you're not even doing it because you think I might be scum? are you making it personal or something? cause honestly I'm posting this to you and I don't even remember your nickname unless I check it,

I just know it's jesus with american flag cause it's a stupid as fuck avatar to have.

so just let it go. you're irrelevant to me, I'm irrelevant to you. go play mafia instead of bugging me with your petty shit please.

bro, if you want to lash out @ me b/c I inadvertently questioned your manhood then fine but leave American Jesus out of this!

jsyk with all my terrible reads, every single top wagon other than quick was basically toranaga build

TBF, that's not always a good thing. Sure, there's always the possibility that you are a town hero that has scum dead to rights and you are the pied piper but its just as possible that you are wrong (and so are others) or scum is sheeping you. # howmafiaworks

That said it would be worth a look to see who (if anyone) keeps joining wagons with you. Could be scum shadowing you.

[Nero Cain]

probably not and I'll explain why in a bit. Everyone I've met from MU is terrible and I appreciate that you haven't changed my opinion.

[Nero Cain]

Also why me doesn't equal fry me or else nobody would say why me.

Of course it does. Always has, always will.

This "tell" has been around since we first started here. It was never that accurate to being with and is likely even less accurate now. Not really liking the strongarm.

I sorta feel like Tchill would try to be more visible as scum as opposed to lurking 30 pages. Sure, there's the possibility that he was busy IRL and rolled a scum pm but I don't feel like the case on him is strong.

[Nero Cain]

go read the pages, find scum

y r talking to him as if he's town?

[Nero Cain]

I guess I could be wrong and this is SCFTWR but I still feel like the reasons for said wagon were kinda lame but I agree that his reactions aren't great though.

[Nero Cain]

or maybe I'm right and the Sith that deals in absolutes (Grey) is sheeping a horrible wagon.

[Nero Cain]

hopefully nothing, I don't think you'd make a very good looking cheerleader.

[Nero Cain]

poor MUer

[Nero Cain]

oh boi

[Nero Cain]

yes, I agree that tchill is comparatively more scummy than nero, and the ISOs will faithfully reflect this, but the reason I'm less inclined to lynch tchill is largely due to the fact that it is a low information lynch because few people have had real interactions with him, namely toranaga and you. We can always lynch tchill later on if this doesn't not change but he is a small fish in a large pond

I think this is all kinds of bad. Its very much lining up lynches/saving Tchill and/or a manipulative post to get ME to vote tchill.

[Nero Cain]

So Nero, tell me. Did Mastermind Brigand Vvulf intend to:

- Line up a lynch of Tchill into you or you into Tchill?

- Save his scumbuddy Tchill from death?
- Convince you to vote poor innocent townie Tchill in a fit of blatant survivalism?

Inquiring minds wish to know.

[Nero Cain]

Nero, if that's the case, why not vote Tchill? It's not like he's done a damn thing to give anyone in the game a reason NOT to vote him.

not voting him. I really really did not like Tor's reasoning for the wagon or you or Pan's or Gorks votes on said wagon. True, his reactions are very poor and if I'm wrong I'm wrong but I'm not going to manipulated into a "vote tchill or we vote you!" by you and brig. Brig finding Tchill scummier than me but wanting a not Tchill lynch really irks me.

[Nero Cain]

your sith mind powers won't work on me Grey.

[Nero Cain]

i will eat my shorts if this is scumNero.

What do you think of brig finding Tchill scummy but keeps voting not Tchill?

[Nero Cain]

your sith mind powers won't work on me Grey.

You'll take the peace-loving road of the no lynch even if it kills you.

for someone worried about a no lynch that not Tchill vote sure is helping to accomplish that.

[Nero Cain]

parroting what gork just said, I don't think in this situation the immediate response for a townie would be questioning whether my motive is lining up lynches

like what

i'm town.

tell me what I should have thought.

[Nero Cain]

not really but if it makes you feel better put yourself in my shoes. You know you are town and the wants to lynch you over the leading wagon. What do you think here?

[Nero Cain]

that's not the question though.

[Nero Cain]

A) he's appearing to look active without really contributing anything of value to advance gamestate

this is really subjective. Ask Cheeky how this worked out for her?

he likes to dip in discussions that don't produce meaninful results that could then leads to reads

???? I've given plenty of reads this game

1105 pre-emptive discrediting while responding accusations

???? Why is arguing that I did not like Tor's stance scummy? Is this a wrong post number?

2. responding to ausuka's TR on creature, but offering no original opinion

I'm not even sure what this is. Mostly b/c there's no post # and secondly b/c just what even is this? I'm not scum reading either ausuka or creature.

3. 1258 dismisses the tchill wagon but approaches it from a wierd side angle while responding to grey, offers an unimpressive lurker isn't always scum defense, no opinions on people on the wagon

you aren't even talking about the Tchill wagon. I don't think its a good wagon. I mean sure, I guess I'll give you that my 1279 could theoretically give me a loophole for voting him later (you are doing the same btw) but why does my read on tchill have to be static? Why can't I have reasons that pull me one way and reasons that pull one in the opposite way?

I'm also hard scumreading GreyIce (1284 ) You didn't even talk about the tchill wagon up until recently so I don't think you really have ground to stand on.

there are lots of exampes but the one that stood out was in 1090 when he offered an opinion but didn't pursue it any further

out of the three I talked about in that post only Tor responded and we each said our piece and moved on. I'm not sure what you feel like I should be doing here. Should I instantly start yelling that Pan is scum?

1. I was offput by his consious effort to shake off the early SRs on him

I mean, sure. Town do the whole naked voting reasonless votes thing but I don't see the problem with me asking you and Tor to back them up.

3. self-awareness re: beeboy 1090

Town can't be self aware?

2. A major proponent is the back and forth with toranaga with the absurd amount of OMGUS and jumping to the conclusion that tora must be scum, examples of this would be in 1134 where he discredits for seemingly non reason, and in 1248 where he mentions that scum could be sheeping tora with wagons but takes no initiative to spot any names

Eh, Tor wasn't very townie but I don't think I ever reached the conclusion that he can't just be bad town. 1134 is just an assholey way of saying I didn't like his reads. I feel like your more just sticking up for a friend than anything b/c why do I have to like his reads? Why does disliking said reads more likely to come from scum than town? Your right that I haven't taken the few minutes to ISO the mod and see the wagons that Tor was leading and who was following him around. Its something I said and its something I think could be possible but I'm not married to it or think that someone keeps voting with him that they HAVE to be scum.

I think your case lacks merit and doesn't hold water. There's alot of hearsay and hypocrisy here (scum projecting?)

[Nero Cain]

that's not the question though.

ok I really don't see where this is going but if you think my read is wrong then by all means we can talk about that

I mean, you are sheeping Gorks thought that I shouldn't think you are possibly scum that's lining up lynches on me and Tchill and I'm asking you what is the simplest solution that I should think. Town that's just wrong? Sure, that's what numbers say but I think its really funky that you rather not lynch the guy that you are scumreading more than me. Could you be scum thats trying to save your scumbuddy? If I'm wrong (and I quite possibly be) then sure. Are you scum that just doesn't want to be a a tchill mislynch wagon? sure Both of those are pretty equally plausible but I lean the later b/c I think at times scum will avoid ML wagons to make themselves look better. So I'm asking you to put yourself in my shoes here. You are confirmed town to yourself and there's a guy that wants to lynch you over the leading wagon that he thinks is scummier. Its not a very hard question and I'm not all that sure why you are struggling with it.

Maybe you are scum, maybe you are just town that's unwilling to admit they are wrong.

[Nero Cain]

I feel in my heart that GreyIce and Bins are town

y?

I really disliked how Bins came in and voiced support for the tchill wagon but didn't commit.

I wasn't a big fan of Grey using the "why me=fry me" thing for Tchill.

[Nero Cain]

So GI was bussing tchill?

[Nero Cain]

the idea that i should stop pushing someone because im scumreading someone who has voted that person at some point is kind of ridiculous.
q.q

feels defensive and an overreaction.

[Nero Cain]

ty

[Nero Cain]

Do you like the case on me Quick?

[Nero Cain]

Do you like the case on me Quick?

I think you are probably Town.

thoughts on Brig and Bin pls.

[Nero Cain]

but what's the point in saying "this is really subjective" here?

b/c it is? Like I'm pushing my reads and commenting on the gamestate as the game unfolds and that's all I or anyone can do at this point. Your "point" that I'm doing nothing (advancing the gamestate) is objectively false. Or I guess I'm not advancing the game state by not voting who you want.

(the ausuka's creature townread should be fairly obvious so what are you even doing poking your nose there?)

I still have no fuck what the clue this is? Yes, Creature town read

WAS

obvious. That's why it was a little that Tor was giving Asuka flak for town reading Creature so early. Like are you just coming to your friend's defense here b/c I don't think you really get it?

but why does me calling you out on it make me scum? why would i even bother as scum when i could have just taken the low hanging fruit? this is something you're simply refusing to consider

It doesn't necessarily make you scum but its very hypocritical.

HYPOCRISY ISN'T A SCUM TELL!

You're right, its null b/c it comes from both alignments. Like I said, the possibilities are not limited to if you are scum you have to vote Tchill.

[Nero Cain]

nero can absolutely be scum yes

y?

Sure, what are your thoughts on Nero atm?

What made you want to talk about me?

all these fuckers saying the scumread me but don't have the balls to stand up to me and say why are getting death tunneled and lynched.

As I said, I wasn't being too serious but obv you and Tor are not gonna believe that. Yes, I was interested in the unexplained scumreads on me. I feel like its a fair question to ask.

Yeah that felt like a stretch to me too. Nero goes down Brian goes up.

I swear to god you are an idiot.

This kinda mean, I agree. I'm just frustrated that she constantly misreads me-unless she's scum this game.

[Nero Cain]

Eh....

early reads are that creature is town, brian probably is too.

I think I'm being buddied.

was I wrong, Brian?

is the only thing that kinda pings me.

And meta wise I guess she's not playing like mariomaniac does.

Is there more?

[Nero Cain]

Grey is just scum guy.

[Nero Cain]

I mean maybe he was bussing Tchill and it threw me off but as soon as something else pops up he's all for it while trying to goad me into voting Tchill. No way this is town.

[Nero Cain]

It sounded like Creature was saying if Grey was Scummy he was Scum.

I agree with it, lol

[Nero Cain]

I did? oh well, I changed my mind then.

[Nero Cain]

I mean, I just looked but I honestly don't remember ever town reading him. But lets just say that I agreed with you on page 46, why does my page 62 read have to be the same?

[Nero Cain]

like your voting Grey on page 56. Why can your read change but mine can't?

[Nero Cain]

I mean, I just looked but I honestly don't remember ever town reading him. But lets just say that I agreed with you on page 46, why does my page 62 read have to be the same?

like your voting Grey on page 56. Why can your read change but mine can't?

[Nero Cain]

I mean fuck, we had scum dead to rights in Quick and I let him go.

[Nero Cain]

I'm having a hard time seeing a Quick town go "Nero is scummy for agreeing with me on page 46 and then developing a scum read 10 pages later"

If he thinks I'm scum he doesn't apologize for voting me. lol

[Nero Cain]

I mean fuck, we had scum dead to rights in Quick and I let him go.

That is a really really lazy OMGUS read Nero.

ok sure, why are you avoiding my questions then?

[Nero Cain]

Its been so long since I've played with Grey but I felt like his vote on tchill was scummy and I was hard scum reading him for it. I think your "Nero agreed with me on p46 but changed his read later on" is such trash.

[Nero Cain]

you do know that I was scum reading GI b4 he ever voted me right?

[Nero Cain]

you do know that I was scum reading GI b4 he ever voted me right?

Will have to go back and look at that.

ITT Quick lies about me and Greys interactions.

[Nero Cain]

or maybe I'm right and the Sith that deals in absolutes (Grey) is sheeping a horrible wagon.

THAT on the other hand, is a fucking bullshit response. You think Brigand Vvulf is the master manipulator?

Vote: Nero Cain

I mean if you want to be nitpicky, I called him Sith. Although I did reconfirm my scum read

I'm also hard scumreading GreyIce (1284)

I'm town Creature.

[Nero Cain]

Oh right, just voted Nero because idk why Tchill was a wagon

but you're still voting town. pls fix it.

I'm also hard scumreading GreyIce (1284)

or maybe I'm right and the Sith that deals in absolutes (Grey) is sheeping a horrible wagon.

Nero, man, this doesn't look like a hard SR at all. This looks like a "grey could be Scum but not really sure on it" Why because of this:

or maybe

That's bullshit that you are pushing to fit to your narrative

[Nero Cain]

vote:Greyice

[Nero Cain]

like, town nero doesnt give a shit, is a stubborn butt and gets ridiculously overconfident about reads for reasoning that looks ridiculous in a way that he just doesnt as scum.
its literally night and day.

Yeah, That's my Town meta of Nero as well, but I've never seen him as Scum. I might poke around that game you linked.

like this joker is doing everything he possibly can to not stop voting me

[Nero Cain]

youll probably townbin him if you do.
real folk blues reboot is also a good bit of homework for nero's scumgame:
viewtopic.php?f=56&t=71688

Agree. Looked at his ISO from the previous game. If Nero is making good posts and has a IDGAF attitude, he's likely Town.

look at this guy talking out of both sides of his mouth.

[Nero Cain]

vote:quick

[Nero Cain]

Who r tchill buddies then?

[Nero Cain]

Quick(2) ~ Srceenplay(38), Nero Cain(102)

joing this one Quick

[Nero Cain]

Can we stop town reading me so scum will think I'm lynchable and not kill me?

[Nero Cain]

You KNEW my meta and you STILL scum read me. How is this any diffrent than what you were supposedly scum reading me for?

[Nero Cain]

vote:tchill

[Nero Cain]

I've never seen you as Scum.

I don't think this matters.

[Nero Cain]

Basically. On page 46 I had supposedly said I agree with Quick that Grey was "too scummy to be scum." I mean its there so I can't really deny it but I don't ever remember ever town reading Grey. I started to hard scum read Grey around the 50's since I felt like Grey's "why me=fry me" is surface lvl and potentially opportunistic. Quick then points out that had agreed with him on page 46 and thus it was a contradiction that I'm now hard scum reading him. His claim is that I'm scummy for this 'cause I can't change how I read someone or some such.

[Nero Cain]

Grey is a Sith master along with Jar Jar Bins and Darth Quick.

[Nero Cain]

and Worst is just a stormtrooper.

[Nero Cain]

reasons

[Nero Cain]

oh look, Grey is arguing that I'm bussing so he can have an actual reason to vote park me tomorrow.

Define "classic scum".

[Nero Cain]

the nero push makes sense

What makes sense about it?

vote:tchill

What triggered you?

the naked Asuka vote and I'm just sick of d1. I feel like if he flips town then scum were pushing him and if he flips town there's scum in the one's that are trying hard to get a not tchill lynch today. (Grey, Quick)

[Nero Cain]

you fight against my lynch then voted with little to no reason.

Was I right to fight against it or wrong?

[Nero Cain]

I understand my mislynch will be my own doing and absolutely no one should be blamed for it. I'm not focusing on that.

This is a little

LAMIST

though. I know everyone plays differently but town that is about to get lynched would be more up in arms and looking for the opportunistic scum on their wagon, IMO.

[Nero Cain]

then you just said scum were everywhere if i flip town lol.

Why don't YOU think scum would be everywhere on a town tchill lynch?

[Nero Cain]

what do you think my ausuka push was???

fair

unvote

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: greyice

[Nero Cain]

There's very little chance that I get lynched today. Your vote is basically worthless.

You tried hard as fuck to goad me into voting tchill earlier. Why would it have been ok to fake then but when I'm frustrated with his play and there was the "oh tchill is actively ignoring this game" that Spiff? brought up that made me hrmmm.....

Let's just say that I was town reading you on page 46. I can change my read by page 52.

[Nero Cain]

TBF, I didn't say it was impossible but there are several ppl here that have played with me and know this is my town game.

Do you think I should be lynched over tchill?

[Nero Cain]

comparing yourself to lhf isnt flattering

the

ate

is strong with this one

[Nero Cain]

nothing? What should it prove?

If you think I should get lynched over you then you should explain why b/c the other two "cases" against me have been fail.

[Nero Cain]

Well, a vote is fairly useless if it's on a wagon that's not going to happen. Like it doesn't really matter much since there are likely enough votes to lynch you without Grey's vote but his vote is sitting on a wagon that's not going to happen (or likely not going to happen or w/e you nitpickers want)

[Nero Cain]

p much but I can understand not ending the day right away.

[Nero Cain]

I'm pretty on the fence about a Tchill lynch. I'm in the same boat as Hop where I wasn't a fan of the votes but I'm not really fond of his play. lynch him or don't lynch him, I don't really care. But for those on the fence about Tchill I offer you a yummy GreyIce wagon.

[Nero Cain]

help me lynch GI and that'll shrink it (and net us a scum)

[Nero Cain]

Can you give me an outside perspective on Thor (Nero preferably)?

I've been skimming him, I'll iso in a bit.

vote Grey with me plox.

[Nero Cain]

i dont even know tora lol i found him pretty transparently towny so that automatically creates bias for me when im reading your back and forth, if that makes sense to you

It does but its pretty surface lvl stuff "u must b scum since you r arguing with my town read."

[Nero Cain]

grey

[Nero Cain]

go all Hannibal Lector and eat him.

[Nero Cain]

tchill gets wagoned>>>>im kinda a counter wagon>>>u show up>>>>now Pan is getting wagoned.

[Nero Cain]

if she kills Grey I'll sheep her this whole game.

[Nero Cain]

brig is just bad town if there's scum in Grey/Quick (and there is)

[Nero Cain]

then why even vote?

[Nero Cain]

I mean, she's been fairly useless so eh....

[Nero Cain]

If Maria flips scum I'm still going to want to flip in Grey and/or Quick.

[Nero Cain]

Nero be stealing all the pages tops.

[Nero Cain]

Eh, I called him a stormtrooper to try and goad him into coming in here. I think Worst is just a lurker in general and he's busy so I think that has more to do with his posting than alignment.

[Nero Cain]

I know but I know something you don't know.

[Nero Cain]

She's soft claiming a pr. Would scum do that to save themselves? sure. The ant-claim mechanic is ass.

[Nero Cain]

I don't believe you didn't open it.

I mean, its obvious as fuck that he DID open it b/c its against site rules to not look at it.

IDK what the current VC is but town prob needs a lynch at this point. Any of Maria/GreyIce/Quick/Bins are good lynches I think.

[Nero Cain]

TW would be pure policy ATM. There is actually an association between TW and Tchill. Like I kinda called TW scum to see if he'd get in here and do shit and tchill was all like "y u call him out"? scum buddies/scum light defending TW for town cred?

I guess I'd be fine with Pan too. Like their vote on tchill seemed a little bit opportunistic but I'm not really all that sure on the current case on them.

[Nero Cain]

y does grey get a free pass?

[Nero Cain]

or I'd still be down for tchill

[Nero Cain]

OP makes me want to think singleball play makes me think MB

[Nero Cain]

I'm pretty sure that most ppl can't write checks or much of anything with their mouths.

[Nero Cain]

Once knew a guy that could write with their feet, was pretty leet.

[Nero Cain]

keep up the manipulation.

[Nero Cain]

everyone vote Grey

[Nero Cain]

Whats all happening in your scum PT, Quick?

[Nero Cain]

vote Grey with me

[Nero Cain]

Do you see anyone else on this page?

[Nero Cain]

Whats all happening in your scum PT, Quick?

There's no day talk.... LOL.

how would you know unless you are scum?

[Nero Cain]

im ok.

vote:Quick

[Nero Cain]

cringe

Why didn't you vote Grey earlier after expressing suspicion there?

Is the cringe @ the wagon on Quick or @ Quick's reactions? Do you have a read there?

[Nero Cain]

If you think he slipped we do you not want that dead ASAP?

[Nero Cain]

first of all if he's town he'll play like a vt

how would he know he's town if he never read his pm.

He's still totally kidding though.

How do you read his play?

[Nero Cain]

She was fairly useess this game, soft claimed a PR to get out of a lynch. I'm not sure why thats hard to see as scum?

[Nero Cain]

shhh, quick is just scum. Ignore him Gork.

[Nero Cain]

vote:Greyice

[Nero Cain]

We should all be lynching Grey.

[Nero Cain]

WE. ARE. LYNCHING. GREY

[Nero Cain]

1. randomidget
3. Beeboy
4. Thor665
5. Bins
6. Ausuka
7. CheekyTeeky
8. Hopkirk
9. Quick
12. Panopticon (Varsoon and Tn5421)
13. The Worst
14. Srceenplay
20. Brian Skies
^
still a shit ton of town here but the other 3 scum are in here. I'm leaning Bins and maybe Thor and maybe Quick and maybe Skies.

[Nero Cain]

I have Grey not on that list for a reason....

[Nero Cain]

Like Maria+Grey=2 scum

"hey guiz, there's 3 scum in my list"

2+3=5.

Is this R2R?

[Nero Cain]

Was a vig kill I think. Thought about Cheeky being scum and telling us what thier team did but eh...so many scummy players.

[Nero Cain]

i dont think grey is scum

y not?

guy pushed heavily away from Maria lynch. I'm not sure he even talked about it b4 but I've been in kinda skim mode

[Nero Cain]

there is a thin line between misguided overconfidence and scum agenda and i dont think it's the latter case for GreyIce

there is truth in your words but this is really generalized and I'm not really getting why it makes more sense for him to be overconfident and wrong vs. pushing a scum agenda.

[Nero Cain]

man, you guys are annoying and bad. Someone pm me when you come to your sense and lynch Grey.

[Nero Cain]

Well it's important to me so I can sort their reads. Like it literally makes no sense at this point.

maybe you should explain why it makes no sense to scum read you.

[Nero Cain]

Can you do a case on Grey please? I can't read them worth shit...

i like how you were scum reading him earlier but now its so hard 4 u.

[Nero Cain]

ikik I am such a wolf.

glad we agree

[Nero Cain]

that's not true at all and you know it

[Nero Cain]

I mean, it wouldn't have really surprised me if I did start to question my town read on you in our last game once I policy voted you and you started attacking me but I don't think that really counts.

[Nero Cain]

that's not true at all and you know it

I do? I didn't know I knew that... Thanks for enlightening me? I guess?/??

bullahit, you knew exactly what happened in our last game. You're feigning ignorance and I don't think that comes from town.

[Nero Cain]

I am but I only voted you to PL you and then you started flailing around and pouting like my nephew when he doesn't get ice cream for dinner.

[Nero Cain]

I think im pretty ok with voting anyone that's not voting Grey.

[Nero Cain]

no

[Nero Cain]

you are voting them.

[Nero Cain]

but real talk, I think they are a red herring and Grey is scum so like why would I vote anyone over Grey?

[Nero Cain]

help me to help you. I'm trying to knock off the achievement for "strongarming a scum lynch"

[Nero Cain]

but real talk, I think they are a red herring and Grey is scum so like why would I vote anyone over Grey?

Real talk. Why would anyone listen to you if you scumread anyone that won't vote Grey with you?

not really what I said...

How is screenplay a red herring?

he looks scummy but he's not. He's LHF. And it's not like we could never lynch him but today there are better lynches I think.

[Nero Cain]

@Brian and Pan

-how do you read Grey?

[Nero Cain]

Pan is a better lynch than Screen but I still think GI is the best of all 3.

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: Spiffeh

What a crappy vote

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: Spiffeh

What a crappy vote

Just because he is ex-paragon? What shit logic.

I wish you were still here so I could ask why you are putting words in my mouth but I'll just lynch Shad instead.

[Nero Cain]

I kinda hope Pan flips town so I can laugh at you guys for letting Grey slip by. I guess if Pan flips scum then you guys get to do the opposite.

[Nero Cain]

I wish you were still here so I could ask why you are putting words in my mouth but I'll just lynch Shad instead.

Sorry your top scum read was a villager

How do you know Grey's allignment?

[Nero Cain]

like, idk. The way I see this game rn is that Grey is scum, Cheekys vote on Spiff was dumb and I really hated Quicks misrep/putting words into my mouth. They can all die as far as I'm concerned.

Still don't really like Bins but I guess the prevailing theory is that scum sat on her so she must be town. I don'y really think its impossible that she sits on a buddy (scum often do do that)

[Nero Cain]

true, its null though. What do you think of Bins content?

[Nero Cain]

Like anyone that bought a day guilty is kinda dumb. They happen but so rare.

[Nero Cain]

Did my slot actually hard claim or is this cat in the fish tank?

[Nero Cain]

If everyone could tell me who to not kill that'd be great for me right now.

FIXED!

[Nero Cain]

Haven't read a role pm yet. Also not reading the abhorrent 129 pages of Day y'all got going on.

Hello.

Ok, have read my role pm.

Still not reading 129 pages though. Whats up?

this also feels funky to me.

[Nero Cain]

@Chick

-I was already suspicious of Quick and Shad coming in and inflating his post count and running away doesn't fill me with good feels. I don't think that ANYONE expected you to read 129 pages but it felt very unneeded that you felt the need to announce that you were posting without reading your pm. Why? Why was that important?

You could have just easily look at the last VC and seen who the wagons are. I'm not sure why you'd not even be willing to lift a finger to do that. It triggers me b/c I think scum will shoot at those that are not likely to be lynched and if everyone gave you a list of who they ARE scum reading then it's like giving scum a road map of who to shoot. I mean yeah, its pretty obvious but I'd still like to force you and or the scum team to dig for info.

[Nero Cain]

wow im glad someone agrees with my grey read, i was starting to lose confidence

I mean it's not like anyone besides maybe Hopkirk was really thinking that Grey was legit telling truth about not reading his role pm. I think his "gambit" is null at best. I'd rather not effort but if I need to put a full case on Grey then I will.

[Nero Cain]

GreyICE (3)- Nero Cain, Creature, Gorkington

so i'm sheeping Gork.

[Nero Cain]

Why do ppl post but ignore the explanations?

[Nero Cain]

np, was just annoying.

[Nero Cain]

off-colored solid water