Large Normal 211: Scientific Mafia

[Archwing]

Hypeeeeee.

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lmao. y'all never played with boon yet have you?

wait for his 5th or 6th claim before you jump on his back.

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protip:

iso Assemble in the normal signups. You'll see he confirmed this to be singleball. you're welcome.

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We are not, however, confirmed singleball: Assemble said nothing about third party roles.

Ah fair point. Thanks

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Ah, Archwing ruined the reactions to the number of scum team speculation thing we had going here. I have inferno and theta as town from that.

sorry fam. lock me up.

i wasn't really enjoying the whole setup speccing thing going on there, and I recalled reading that during signups.

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hey guys. i exist. sorry for lurking. Easter and all.

Catching up now.. just got to this post:

Rather than doing her typical probing for an understanding of the players all these posts from nsg is doing is very surface level.
Not Townnsg at all.

Even her “I can go into more if requested” doesn’t sound Town her.
I understand ur doing catchup but you usually have questions for people you scumread.
Where’s the questions for gamma?

which i kinda agree with up to now (still got 10 pages to go smh.)

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hold up.
nah, fire v NSG is TvT i'm pretty sure.

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still catching up, gonna respond to inferno:

yeah so I used to see interactions like that all the time as SvT. And tbh that's kinda how I read it right now. but I've learned that when that happens, 90% of the time it ends up being TvT. :shrug:

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Just to put it out there, don’t know if it’s happening or not, this is what I like to hide behind when i’m Scum because most people think scum are afraid to get in 1v1’s like that.

like, scum!boon would engage in that kind of 1v1 just because he knows people read them as TvT?

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townlean:
profii
flavor leaf
pine
Theta
LUV

null to town:
Egg NSG, Fire, Gamma, Nos, Nictis,

null-can't-read-shit:
PeregrineV, UCV, Luca, Beef,

scumlean:
inferno
red
2iam
flubber

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I'll back off FL amid public pressure but I still think he's scum ftr.

UNVOTE:

Scummy

[Archwing]

THINKING

Archwing I want you to vote in your next post

Or else what?

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yeah thats a pretty weak argument tbh.
especially from a known fake claimer.

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Well shoot looks like Beef took it out of my grasp
I wanted Arch to cast a vote ASAP because he'd talked some game about SRing 2iam and I wanted to see him enacted the plurality shift but Beefster already did it so I can't do that.
And also I think Beef is town

I'd apologize, friend..

Actually nah.
My scumread is what it is.. More of a scumlean tbh.

Just not ready to lay a vote quite yet.
Kinda testing a different play style thing.

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Inferno seems really bad but I think I wanma meta dive and see if he's always this awkward.

Anyone have experience with him?

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Thanks profii that helps. Its on the list for today.

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good luck flubber.

side note, couldn't get access to the site for majority of today... did anyone else notice that? or is that a me issue? cause i could get to every other site. I was chalking it up to a maintenance thing?
as a result I haven't done the reading i was supposed to. I will try to find time in the next day or so.

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I've had issues accessing the site; I thought it was down, but using a proxy I'm now able to get on.

I'll try and catch up today.

I think it was Luca. I had issues all day today.

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Fire, have you never voted to apply pressure?

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Hurrah the slot is playing that’s all I wanted

UNVOTE:

this could be scum with Mulch tho, this seems like the "I'm going to drop pressure now that my buddying has been replaced" type of unvote
PEdit: I may have the most posts but if you keep going I guarantee you that won't last long

i don't like this association tbh. feels forced.

but i think gammas town. just a bad post.

hi mulch.

profii is probably my strongest TR right now.

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I dunno how to read Fire. can someone eli5 how to read him plz?

also mulch's catchup is entirely NAI. it's like boon claiming. so don't give him points for the last 2-3 pages yet.

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PeregrineV has returned. He may keep the slot with one prod against him.

I’m here. I’ll read tonight, maybe some posts tonight, the rest tomorrow.

hey can you post something?

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i dunno if I buy your case on him tbh.

also never played with nos before

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but i want my first vote of this game to mean something! i'm saving it for that special someone.

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i'm a 2-day delayed triple voter anyways, so it won't matter just yet.

gamma it's sorta what I meant? like, you're town... it was just a bad post on your part, FMPOV. a bad association.

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but triple voter would be? smh gamma.

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i have a really hard time seeing triple voter passing tbh

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i wish. it'd be fun.

I was in Assemble's first game, mini 1969. Flavor was there too. He was scum, I was VT.
Fuck that was a wild ride of a game. extremely well designed around a variant role Assemble came up with (IIRC). He knows how to design a great game, which is why I pre-inned this one. I don't like the idea of playing in larges, as I have a hard time keeping up (looking @ you mulch and FB), but i wanted to get in on this.

mulchy baby you gotta earn it. convince me nos is scum!

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mulch when did you see me as scum? i'm garbage lol

[Archwing]

to be fair i'm garbage as town too

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Town lean, fire, but I'm waffling. I can't say why I town lean you and k don't like that. Hence why i asked.

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Archwing can you talk to me about your scum reads on redflavor and Flubber? I don't recall either being called scum so far..

IMO, Flubber is an OG version of Assemble. Lurky playstyle, doesn't post much, doesn't get too involved and throws out (apparently) random reads now and then. I dislike it, and find it hard to read. TBH it kinda lines up with what I was saying about Firebringer.... I'm not 100% sure how to read Flubber, it's kinda more of a gut thing. I've only played with him once (him town, me scum) and I've read a couple games with him in it. I get vibes. Not exactly my first lynch for today.

Redflavor is not being Redflavor. He's quiet, not really scumhunting, not active at all... I don't like it so much. Not the redflavor I'm used to seeing (which isn't much, but I've seen more of Red than I have of flubber).

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Woah, did we just ignore someone fakelclaim

It was sarcastic, implausible, and immediately retracted. Don't get hung up on dumb stuff.

So, interestingly enough, this was a thing that happened, but I was misrembering LUV's callout.

I still don't understand what facilitated profii slot being scum based on their experience with UCV

Profii was scummy before the UCV vote, for reasons already stated. A vanity vote on UCV was a lazy excuse to look active and productive.

This doesn't really answer my question. Though yes, profii is worth lynching

Not a fan of this response. Profii really shouldn't be on the table today. Much more lynch-worthy people.

Are we saying the whole ascetic Miller thing was a troll claim now?

Dude. Read the thread, would ya?

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I still mostly feel like you're an arrogant Townie, but there is a part of me questioning if you are perhaps a lyncher. It matches up with you getting so close to Emerald (That initial vote on Inferno helps) and the entirety of your reasoning for lynching Nos is that you know him better than everyone else. You aren't really offering other people for us to lynch, and you're saying we should take your lynch first before questioning you because of your reputation.

I'm reading you as working for Town benefit, but your actions also suggest Lyncher to me.


How about this, for someone who doesn't know the community here, explain why Nos is scum instead of just demanding everyone sheep you or saying we will know your alignment by how he flips.

- Mulch is a pretty arrogant townie. That's how he is.

-Is lyncher normal? I thought it wasn't IIRC.

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yeh i just checked the wiki, lyncher is explicitly non-normal. sorry friendo!

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i dislike being the bearer of bad news? meta dive me, i've done that shit everywhere.

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hi quick.

can you read firebringer? i need help.

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your vote is/was on Profii. probably worth iso-ing him.. slightly controversial slot. highly townread by some, yet holds the current wagon.

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can y'all stop flooding the thread with garbage?

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I was null on LUV, and since quick took over I'm thinking town lean. I like his analysis thus far.

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or you could respond without quoting a 10+ quote pyramid. just a thought

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hey boon.

i know you're popular and all.

but that was

RED

flavor.

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Oh, it quoted something. I didn’t mean to quote that. Yeah, you’re right Arch. That’s my bad

it's all good! just don't do it again, or I'll probably vig you tonight.

pedit; explain town!2iam please.

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I'm pretty excited to be 50% of your vigs then.

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oshit 2iam might actually be town. 985 & 990 are decent posts.

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lol @ profii wagon, which is full of lurkers / VLAs.

bad wagon is bad.

also.. short d1 deadline? <6 days left.

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And I am caught up.

Can all die:
Flavor
tiam
fire
profii
Nos
Beefster

Im curious why profii made this list. Care to explain?

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Quick said he wasn’t aware when he replaced in, yet in the neighborhood he brought up trying to policy before I even started posting. He then made a case on me.

Can someone else in the hood please confirm/deny this?

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Quick said he wasn’t aware when he replaced in, yet in the neighborhood he brought up trying to policy before I even started posting. He then made a case on me.

Can someone else in the hood please confirm/deny this?

I kinda doubt he'd lie when people can come in and verify like that.

I think you'd be surprised about what people lie about. Also, interpretation matters. Thats why I wanted another opinion.

@profii,

quick was allegedly pushing a policy lynch on Flavor Leaf. before he said, in game thread, that he didn't realize Flavor was in this game?

kinda fucky.

and that, ladies and gents, is enough to warrant my first vote of the game.
VOTE: Quick

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Whatever

If it’s scum we lynch scum

If it’s town it’s not my fault

Win win

mulch come on.

you're really sounding like scum here. stop that.

we'll lynch flubber tomorrow, okay?

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welcome replacements!

guys. TIAM wagon is bad. Please stop.

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Quick looked scummy before the whole policy vote thing, but I find the wagon unsettling. There are probably at least 2 scum on it and FL is probably not one of them. I'm going to stay far away from a wagon that has grown by sheer opportunism.

VOTE: 2iam

Valid counterwagon.

FoS: Mulch
I feel like he's throwing a lot of ideas around but not really scumhunting.

also this post is super insanely fucking self aware holy shit.

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I'm actually having a hard time getting into this game right now. Shit. At least y'all are keeping it tame and only need to read like 4 pages to catch up. I like that shit.

lots of new people too! that's good. Mordin, sorry you replaced into a scum slot.

tbh I'm actually happy keeping my vote where it is.

Inferno is town af.

I'm almost-never-lynching mulch, boon, inferno, profii today.

dunno why y'all are scum reading profii so much.

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mulch i disagree.

often when shit like that comes up, I check. tbh i was happy to see that nos did that work for me. :shrug:

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I'll add nictis to my not lynching today pool. I'd still like the quick slot tbh. I still gotta say I don't like the 2iam wagon.

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1390 from Texcat is pretty fucking solid IMO.
Locktowning that slot right now.

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mulch you're pinging me.

why are you pinging me?

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Plurality has been a thing for a while now.

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@tiam

You still good vote parking on beef with 2 days left to work?

Vote the quick slot with us.

[Archwing]

Its okay we can sort beef tomorrow.

@texcat,
How do you feel about Beefster?

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i do not think redflavor is important enough for a lynch

also fire you said you were a cop
should i assume that north was the person you checked

finally current reads are as follows
should include all of the claims that were not retracted

-town
/flavor leaf [town neighbor]

-probably town
twoinamillion [neighbor]
pine [2-shot ascetic vig]
mulch
ausuka
gamma emerald [neighbor]

-might be town
inferno390
egg
texcat

-null/town
profii

-null

theta alpine

archwing

-null/scum
redflavor
nictis

-might be scum
northsidegal
flubbernugget

-probably scum
firebringer [cop]
beefster

-scum
/nosferatu [scum rolecop]
/mordin [scum neighbor]

You nulled yourself? why?

I'm down for a beef lynch today, but I agree he's probably better sorted out with a vig.

I was looking at texcat/slot overnight, and didn't really see much action there.

I'm interested in Pine's 2shot ascetic claim. Just to be clear, Pine, that two shot is not activated, right? it's a passive thing?

Ausuka is probably town?

inferno is most definitely town.

ehm, basically i'm cool with
{firebringer, Beef, NSG(this one would need work though), redflavor, flubber}

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btw the reason why beef is better as a vig than a lynch is that he is a pretty consensus scumread and it's better to vig those, while you should be lynching in non-consensus scumreads because that helps generate further content

wagon data is good data

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why is texcat stricken

Yeah I'd be curious to know how you got there.

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Inferno and Beef are almost lock scum at this point to me.

Inferno is 82% chance town.

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You’re full of shit :lol

VOTE: profii

Recent vote count says UCV requested replacement..

Why didn’t you unvote, profii?

Profii can't be mafia

i guess im just gonna

not

vote on the asinine wagon

VOTE: 2iam

Its also prob not 2iam (since it was the counter wagon to LUV slot)

Distancing 101.

You're better than that, RF.

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not lynching today:
mulch
gamma
inferno
ausuka
TIAM
pine
profii

I would be happy lynching today:
flubber
firebringer
redflavor

needs a vig shot:
beef

rest are kinda null-ish. i may have a couple controversial slots in my not-lynching group, but I stand by my reads on them at this point.

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Fire, why did you out your result so early? Why did you not wait for pressure on either yourself or NSG?

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Understood. Thanks for That.

Are you just a normal cop?

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I'd like to propose that red flavor gets the lynch today, and beef gets the vig.

Pedit. I'd still really like to hear from NSG about all of this.

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Flubber, fire hardaimed cop

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@beef,

Fire is hardclaimed cop with 1 inno atm.
Mulch is most likely conf!towned due to NKA, unless he was super hard bussing.

I think you should re-evaluate your reads.

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i've only ever seen scum!beef. can anyone speak to his town game?

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gamma and inferno are the remaining hood members.

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I'm still happy with my Fire vote. I don't see anything AI on profii.

Though whoever initially pointed out that Firebringer was a possible traitor didn't vote him and might have been traitor hunting. BOGO!

this is really bad, honestly. seems like semi-distancing, yet non-committal to Profii. Would not be surprised to see Beef & Profii, here... although I think that's too easy.
also... FB was called a traitor? that must have been sarcastic, lol. Beef, please read the thread sometime yeah?

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Quick looked scummy before the whole policy vote thing, but I find the wagon unsettling. There are probably at least 2 scum on it and FL is probably not one of them. I'm going to stay far away from a wagon that has grown by sheer opportunism.

VOTE: 2iam

Valid counterwagon.

FoS: Mulch
I feel like he's throwing a lot of ideas around but not really scumhunting.

also this post is super insanely fucking self aware holy shit.

And this.

pedit; beef is tonight's vig remember?
dunno if i'm cool wagoning profii just yet. I'll hammer if time comes, i guess.

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1153 is almost conf!scumbeef.

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with 2 scum down, we do have the benefit of additional mislynches. i agree getting some controversial slots out of the way is beneficial.

if someone runs up profii to L-1 i'll hammer

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VOTE: profii
fine, happy?

[Archwing]

I'm sensing a... prickly vibe from you.

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I'm with pine on this one.. Nictis is probably Town

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Loool. Please vig beef tonight.

I'll be reading on the last day and the wagon.. gotta look at flubber and redflavor.

Fire, you should cop redflavor.

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VOTE: Texcat

Im down for this.

Pine, you shooting red tonight?

[Archwing]

VOTE: Texcat

Im down for this.

Pine, you shooting red tonight?

Nope

Didnt ask you bud. You got caught.

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hey so i was sitting on this for a bit, 'cause i wanted to wait a couple more day phases to see where we would go, and see what pine was up to (I found this around the time pine claimed 2 shot vig), but in the large normal where MariaR won as SK, and got the best third party scummy, Assemble said:

[quote]Based on this game, I have made changes to my upcoming Large Normal. There will be a Serial Killer, but there will also be variant roles which are as effective against Serial Killers as they are against Mafia.
[/quote

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omfg.

Based on this game, I have made changes to my upcoming Large Normal. There will be a Serial Killer, but there will also be variant roles which are as effective against Serial Killers as they are against Mafia.

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i think it definitely still accounts for something.

like, he has been working on this since mini normal 1969. i know that post was from awhile ago, but i mean really... this quasi-pseudo-confirms a SK presence here.
*shrug*

imo, we wait for assemble, go into the night, and see what happens when we wake up tomorrow. we have so many conf towns at this point and claimed PRs that town SHOULD roll to victory

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red, since you've claimed JK, can you please quote your crumbing, tell me if you're an ungated JK, and why tf you jailed Nosferatu night one, who got nightkilled?

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it's fine. i know it's kind of nitpicky, but i didn't just say it for no reason. i think what assemble said still has relevance given the time frame, so i just wanted to clarify that.

yea i agree with this

[Archwing]

red, since you've claimed JK, can you please quote your crumbing, tell me if you're an ungated JK, and why tf you jailed Nosferatu night one, who got nightkilled?

[Archwing]

any remaining scum lie within:

{
TwoInAMillion
Mulch
Nictis
Ausuka
Pine
RedFlavor
}

I strongly believe TIAM, Mulch, Nictis are town. Pine is proooooobably town, or SK.

Redflavor is obvscum. If there is scum left, it's ausuka. Otherwise, we look at Gamma and Inferno

is there potential that neighborhood is (scum, SK, town, town)?

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unless you can convince me on scum!mulch, nictis, or TIAM, or convince me one of Gamma/Inferno are an SK, i'm looking @ you tomorrow.

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Oh god we need assemble to come back

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Omg stop twilight talking

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Omg stop twilight talking

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Happy cake day mulch

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I have something important to share tomorrow if we are still alive

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GG all.

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Like, town ROLLED this game. But i don't really know if it was a cohesive, rolling town, or if scum caved too quickly.

I think that I hard time reading profii correctly. texcat was only confscum due to egg... otherwise I kinda was TR-ing her.