Mini 1998: Super Smash Mafia for Nintendo Switch! [GAME OVER

[Alisae]

i read the game and the scum pt, i dont see any of them mentionning planning to no-nk for town cred

wasn't Pine solowolfing at the time?

[Alisae]

Also no killing for town cred and no killing and giving town a mislynch is 2 different things

But you still did it!

[Alisae]

It was a large normal modded by Cephir.

[Alisae]

Thats the one!

[Alisae]

Yeah I was a newbie back then
Now I'm

• a Rising Star
  
• Potentially a Don Corleone
  
• And a Modfather most likely

[Alisae]

Also Claire is likely to win the SK award!
YAY CLAIRE!

[Alisae]

Can't sleep

oh....
Sorry...

[Alisae]

Because I want YOUR lynch first.
I said this before after you flip scum protective that guilties acryon
And if you flip like RB or goon then we still had work to do.

[Alisae]

Kokichi's plan today was to claim doc to get the towncred because he "stopped the kill"
He could have claimed commuter or bp and it would have had the same effect
he was going to plant himself as the "reason" there was no kill to get cred that will help him secure a win for F5 and F3.
It was a play to raise the chances of him winning the game.

[Alisae]

Because I want YOUR lynch first.
I said this before after you flip scum protective that guilties acryon
And if you flip like RB or goon then we still had work to do.

But, you still think I cant be scum with anyone else. So why does that matter

Mechanicly Confimed wolves > Wolfreads
You know this

[Alisae]

It worked and your ass bought it because you lynched Gamma

[Alisae]

He dies tomorrow

[Alisae]

Okay well I'm going to sleep hopefully there'll be a flip in the morning!

[Alisae]

Remember to ask for the accelerated night!

[Alisae]

Back. Going to do a read-through today.

dude the day already ended

[Alisae]

Like honestly the best thing you need to do right now is to shh if you're town
Wolves already have enough reads from practically everyone on the table except Dunn
They don't need more

[Alisae]

Back. Going to do a read-through today.

dude the day already ended

Are you serious?

Are you kidding me with this number of pages?

Yeah I'm serious

[Alisae]

Also put ppp=200 in the url, preferibly before the ? And after the F=23
It increases the posts per page to 200 so you won't have to read as many pages
You're welcome

[Alisae]

Also if anyone is wondering I couldn't sleep and i am still up.
Poorme

[Alisae]

Oh wait its after the ? And before the f=23
I'm not very smart when I've stayed up all night huh

[Alisae]

VOTE: Kokichi

[Alisae]

No. I was roleswapping.

Murder this

[Alisae]

Also If alisae is scum and threatened to replace out if I wasnt lynches I have 0 respect for her and never playing with her again.

Great I don't want to play with you either after this game and for reasons I'll go into post game!

[Alisae]

Like I am doing my job as a member of the town by lynching you because you are a wolf.
You "roleswapping" is bullshit and one of my favorite ways to justify claiming other PRs as a wolf because its reasoning that I can always get away with too.
So if you're going to lose respect for me because of how much I absolutely need to for people to see that you are a wolf, then thats fine because of certain actions you performed this game.

Like your play yesterday was so uneedlessly anti-town if that is actually the case because you could have just claimed doctor and get it over with. Instead you did whatever the fuck you did yesterday and flailed around.

[Alisae]

No I was a wolf.
Sorry I went to the extent I did to try to lynch you because you were dropping trust tells left and right.

[Alisae]

And that's after figuring out your main too.

[Alisae]

I don't care.
The respect I had for you was burned as soon as trust tells started being dropped.

Pedit: yeah

[Alisae]

Acryon you did fine.
Village lost tbh as soon as me and Kiana randed wolf.
Joey voting only town certainly doesn't help that

Pedit: ok hold on

[Alisae]

[qoute="MS wiki on Trust Tells]A Trust Tell is a specialized behavior a player may use to "prove" their alignment in any arbitrary game via a personal meta argument. For instance, a player may promise that they are Town if and only if they actually are Town in a game, and will use that self-imposed rule when they draw Town as an argument to confirm their alignment whenever they see fit.

The purpose of a trust tell is not to break it at some point in the future and coast on it to win. It's far more effective to keep it up indefinitely, as it will "prove" the player's alignment in game after game.[/quote]You faking you had a guilty in twilight when you didn't and your crazy FN gambit could have been seen as these since they fit the conditions of

• The player insists that they only do this behavior as a certain alignment, and never as any other alignment.
  
• The player, over the course of multiple games, only does this behavior as a certain alignment, and never as any other alignment.

This is actually bannable btw

[Alisae]

[qoute="MS wiki on Trust Tells"]A Trust Tell is a specialized behavior a player may use to "prove" their alignment in any arbitrary game via a personal meta argument. For instance, a player may promise that they are Town if and only if they actually are Town in a game, and will use that self-imposed rule when they draw Town as an argument to confirm their alignment whenever they see fit.

The purpose of a trust tell is not to break it at some point in the future and coast on it to win. It's far more effective to keep it up indefinitely, as it will "prove" the player's alignment in game after game.

You faking you had a guilty in twilight when you didn't and your crazy FN gambit could have been seen as these since they fit the conditions of

• The player insists that they only do this behavior as a certain alignment, and never as any other alignment.
  
• The player, over the course of multiple games, only does this behavior as a certain alignment, and never as any other alignment.

This is actually bannable btw[/quote]

[Alisae]

A Trust Tell is a specialized behavior a player may use to "prove" their alignment in any arbitrary game via a personal meta argument. For instance, a player may promise that they are Town if and only if they actually are Town in a game, and will use that self-imposed rule when they draw Town as an argument to confirm their alignment whenever they see fit.

The purpose of a trust tell is not to break it at some point in the future and coast on it to win. It's far more effective to keep it up indefinitely, as it will "prove" the player's alignment in game after game.

You faking you had a guilty in twilight when you didn't and your crazy FN gambit could have been seen as these since they fit the conditions of

• The player insists that they only do this behavior as a certain alignment, and never as any other alignment.
  
• The player, over the course of multiple games, only does this behavior as a certain alignment, and never as any other alignment.

This is actually bannable btw

Fucking quote tags.
But point aside, I rather lynch you because I don't think people had recognized it yet over getting you modkilled for it, because that's something

actual

scum would do.

[Alisae]

Here's the wikipage on Trust Tells

[Alisae]

FYI you do that crazy FN gambit and faking you have a guilty in twilight when you're town who is bored and wants to get shot or something.

[Alisae]

Like you're not going to be fun to play with until these tells are burnt to the ground, and I certainly didn't have fun pushing you either because of this, and it was kind of why I was extremely angry.
You communicating to trust you could have been because you have laid out the trust tells needed to confirm your alignment.

I'm sorry for the way I pushed you, but it was because I had reason to believe you dropped a trust tell, and luckily I am a wolf. If I was town I probably would have replaced out because it would be for the integrity of the game, plus I probably might not have cared as much if I was actually town?

Pedit: Okay then burn the tell anyways because its bad play that'll get you lynched.

[Alisae]

Garry Oma I have no reason to lie to you now the game is over and I am talking to you in a civilized manor about this because I have enough respect (as little as that may be) to approach you about this instead of getting you modkilled and banned by taking this up to a list mod, because that's a shitty way to win the game.

So please burn the god dam tells to the ground.

[Alisae]

Like its not even that hard either
You just have to stop doing them.

[Alisae]

Another reason why I wanted the W so badly is because we only had a roleblocker and this was townsided as fuck and THEN some after it was confirmed the game was by normal guidelines.

No daytalk too.

[Alisae]

a VT or even argueably anyone BUT rask N1 we would have been in trouble.
Especially if we didn't block Pint successfully.

Like ffs make the cop Macho and give us a JK and maybe this would have been somewhat tolerable.
Or Roleblocker/Rolestopper
Or Rolestoper/Rolecop

Just SOMETHING because this is so follow the cop with 2 extra clears from gamestart too because of the vigs.

[Alisae]

Like Roleblocker felt like a slap in the face and did nothing for us in the event we got vigs.
If the mod thinks vigs are negative utility then LOL I GOT SOME NEWS FOR YOU BUDDY BECAUSE THEY AREN'T.

[Alisae]

Also if someone who is recognized as a pretty god dam good mod is telling you ways in which you could improve your game, please listen to them.

[Alisae]

But yeah
Dunn should stop playing mafia.
Joey was fucking terrible.
Pint tbh made extremely good shots and ywall extremely overestimate how strong Wis' scumgame is like its on RC's leve at his peak he is just an extremely overpowered wolf and if he was only lynching town I would have suggested to lynch him before LyLo because of his reputation it doesn't really matter how obvtown he is.
I <3 Wis and Claire and Torque except I didn't read any Torque posts sorry.

Lets see is there anyone else I'm missing that's relevant.

[Alisae]

Like the only person I trust to read Wis is Sakura Hana his wolfgame is that good.

[Alisae]

Yes Joey
Yes it was.

[Alisae]

Alisea cannot be mafia, if shes scum i never play this game ever

Have a fun retirement

[Alisae]

VOTE: meat

Voting Town

VOTE: pinnochio

And another Townie

I'm a one shot vigilante. I shot acryon last night and he didn't die

you fucking kidding me lol

I thought I quoted an unvote but I guess not so treat this as the post where you unvoted

VOTE: pin

voting town again

UNVOTE: how can both be town ? im bad at setup spec

unvote

VOTE: pin you deserve to lose the game for your faction for that shot alone, that is freaking ridiculous

voting town

VOTE: gamma

more town votes

UNVOTE: can we not rush this game any further

an unvote

VOTE: gamma

lets go, another 24h twilight

townvote

[Alisae]

Like if you voted a wolf atleast once sure, that could be a valid point.
But fucking lmao dude your voting history is terrible.

[Alisae]

And honestly
the tryharding wasn't even that needed.
the only reason why me and Acryon didn't block Dunn N3 is because we literally forgot about his existence.
So like even without it, I just have to make sure Gamma wasn't lynched and that would allow a wolf win. That's the heart behind everything I did yesterday.
Turned out it played a lot more better then I ever expected it to be.
And even then I could have just agreed on the PoE of {Gamma, Dunn, Kokichi} or something with Acryon mixed in and that's a win.

[Alisae]

Yeah yeah we're still cool I think
just don't be like that Garry Oma fucker and start trust telling.

pedit: I think your error was you underestimate people's abilities. Kiana is extremely good at wolf, so that supposed townslip could easily have been faked.
I'm extremely good at wolf, so my d2 outburst could have easily been faked especially since I have the mod meta to support it.

[Alisae]

i wasnt lynching koki today with his entrance btw, it removed everything that was shady about the slot earlier (the lies)

I would have shown you several instances where I've done the exact samething and even won those games, including Spyro which you were my hydra partner for

[Alisae]

But whatever everyone's misery and pain is over now.
This wasn't really a fun game for anyone so...

pedit: Garry/Kokichi did not you

[Alisae]

Sorry, I can get that way when I'm frustrated towards people.

[Alisae]

you are happy with your win/game (and thats fine)

I think I played well and I earned my win sure. And this might have been my best wolfgame on site maybe?
But I feel disgusted with the win and actually hate myself for it.
But I'm a shitty person so that's okay I guess.
Game was ruined for me when Kokichi decided "hey I am going to drop a trust tell" so either way him blacklisting me is fine. I don't really care about him.

[Alisae]

I mean, you could have used that wording to signal that you trust told here

In the event I have a guilty. Should i claim it now?

and with your FN gambit stupidity that is also a trust tell for you.

Its up to you to burn it, and you should probably burn it anyways because its bad play.

[Alisae]

Like Kokichi
this is sitebannable and modkillable.
You do this shit when you want to attract a kill towards yourself.
Luckily, anyone that is competent will look at that post, see that it was made in twilight, see that you have also posted during the phase, and go "Yeah this guy is just trying to bait a kill."
Just burn it you'll make yourself and everyone else happy for not ruining future games.

[Alisae]

Like this is something that's reportable if you think I am bluffing for whatever reason then your welcome to call it but I feel like this is the best way to approach you about the issue so you can work on burning it without consequence.

[Alisae]

Yes they are and I can dig up evidence for it unless you can show me where both Kokichi AND Gerryoat have done that shit as a wolf.

[Alisae]

I mean yeah and these post cover that

A Trust Tell is a specialized behavior a player may use to "prove" their alignment in any arbitrary game via a personal meta argument. For instance, a player may promise that they are Town if and only if they actually are Town in a game, and will use that self-imposed rule when they draw Town as an argument to confirm their alignment whenever they see fit.

The purpose of a trust tell is not to break it at some point in the future and coast on it to win. It's far more effective to keep it up indefinitely, as it will "prove" the player's alignment in game after game.

You faking you had a guilty in twilight when you didn't and your crazy FN gambit could have been seen as these since they fit the conditions of

• The player insists that they only do this behavior as a certain alignment, and never as any other alignment.
  
• The player, over the course of multiple games, only does this behavior as a certain alignment, and never as any other alignment.

This is actually bannable btw

Fucking quote tags.
But point aside, I rather lynch you because I don't think people had recognized it yet over getting you modkilled for it, because that's something

actual

scum would do.

Here's the wikipage on Trust Tells

First off, it can be any alignment not just town. For example a wolf trust tell could be you always selfhammer at L-1, so optimal play would be to run that player up to L-1 to see if they selfhammer.

It has to fit those conditions yes?
The reason why he does those gambits is because he wants to die.
Wolves don't want to die they want to live.
Therefore this is a trust tell that he has developed over multiple games. It fits the conditions.

[Alisae]

PEDIT : Alisae not doing something as mafia doesnt mean its a trust tell if you do it as town, i bet my ass everyone and their moms only do some kind of behaviors as either alignement, its the premise of the game.

Yeah and Ellibereth is probably winning paragon today because he has a database on a lot of people that consists of meta tells.
The difference between those and this is Garry Oma basicly KNOWS that his is a thing he only does as town, so he is abusing it.

[Alisae]

Look Joey I'm sorry for being shitty towards you

but I am completely justified for thinking this is a trust tell that Kokichi needs to burn

[Alisae]

Do you need me to dig up the evidence for you to believe me
because I can do that.

[Alisae]

Did a more extensive search
viewtopic.php?p=9528138#p9528138 - This is where Garry first a similar play on MS that made me think it was a trust tell because I saw him fake guilties more often but I guess he did it less then I thought.
I already linked the FN bullshit
I don't know how much he does this on EM so I would expect you and Claire to know more then I would about this tbh.

[Alisae]

Tbh when you see Garry fake guilties, and thats specific moment in Ari's game blew my mind with how stupid it was, it kind of was burned into my memory and because of that moment and him faking guilties, I thought this was a trait he did a lot more often then I thought he did.

But yeah guess I'm wrong its whatever

[Alisae]

Hi Claire

[Alisae]

Achieve parity.

[Alisae]

Same thing as always blah blah

[Alisae]

I WAS A WOLF CLAIRE

[Alisae]

YES
I AM SERIOUS

[Alisae]

Lolok

[Alisae]

Yeah Joey is just shocked because lolhim

[Alisae]

But yeah Claire what were your powers or whatever if you're actually an sk

[Alisae]

Game's over anyways

[Alisae]

I asked Key for a VT role PM because I wanted to verify the existence of one and if you were I was 100% sure it was you.
But the wincon for the town states that they win when the mafia die not all threats.
Meaning either you win with the town which isn't by normal guidelines, you're twilight trolling, or the game is bastard when there were no signs of it being otherwise.

[Alisae]

You probably don't have an out for a roleblocker anyways

[Alisae]

Yeah so even if this went into night phase you get blocked and I just shoot whoever probably you gg.

[Alisae]

We shot you N3 and N4

[Alisae]

Yeah wolves were supposed to win this how?
Pedit: wait your bp is ungated wtf

[Alisae]

yeah how the fuck were wolves supposed to win this.
Like seriously.

[Alisae]

First you tell the town that there is no SK (unless the town can WIN with the SK but that's against normal guidelines)
then you make it ungated
And the only power you give wolves is a roleblocker.
really?

[Alisae]

What a fucking terrible setup

[Alisae]

So um
I'm blacklisting kbw
Ywall should join me

[Alisae]

ACRYON I WAS TROLLING THAT WAS ON PURPOSE

[Alisae]

Also we technically do outnumber the town with kokichi lynched.

[Alisae]

Alisae thinks claiming a guilty at twilight is a trust tell, what an idiot. Hahaha

is this bait?

[Alisae]

Because if its bait its working.

[Alisae]

I think its bait

[Alisae]

Claire was a genuine wolfread I had and that was before the claim

[Alisae]

You were towny
That’s it