Dance of the Title Fairy: Accepting Applications

[Centipede Syndrome]

these ginngie titles are bad

[Ellibereth]

and I'm sure they would agree

[Firebringer]

Fite me irl elli

[Ellibereth]

never fight someone when you can hire someone else to do it

[Firebringer]

How much you paying me to beat myself up?

[Ellibereth]

no need to pay for things that happen for free

[Aristophanes]

That’s rare

I just, for fun, went to Ginngie's Ego and checked 5 random game threads. All games I have never looked at.

In each and every one they yelled at someone, used allcaps, or otherwise was riled up.

Nice try

[vonflare]

Very cool and collected personality

Have you ever seen him get riled up in a game?

idk i only know gin from sitechat and the discussion side since i dont play mafia

[Aristophanes]

Very cool and collected personality

Have you ever seen him get riled up in a game?

idk i only know gin from sitechat and the discussion side since i dont play mafia

Ah!

That would do it

[PJ.]

Tbh, I like the amount of work that goes into MathDino's suggestions

Eh, I'm put off by it. He seems more interested in the battle than the result.

I think he just likes typing and it's obnoxious. He's the Internet equivalent of the guy who likes to hear himself talk.

@mathdino, think before you type and we're fine. You just seem full of really awful shit to say and have incredibly misplaced self confidence. Good examples can be found on the relationship thread. Alternative to thinking, just go away.

[PJ.]

Here's a contest:

There are 2 doors. Door A and Door B.

Behind one of the doors is an unknown nobody who disagrees with you on something meaningless. If you confront them, you can change their mind with a logical argument.
Behind the other door is guaranteed agonizing death.
You are under no obligation to choose either door.

Which door do you choose?

i keep going for agonizing death but I keep missing.

[Killthestory]

hey you guys remember jamal

[Psyche]

I get paranoid every time someone anti-noms something that Psyche is gonna put it on the table for another 3 months while he continues working on his title bot tbh. It's more about convincing Psyche (and other users who don't have the context of playing mafia).

I think your approach here might deserve a little re-calibration, as I've pivoted a lot from my thread philosophy in recent months. Let me be clear again about this. I've made calls about title quality substantially less Title Fairy-centered and much more community-centered. Therefore, when you make a case for a title or debate the quality of a title with another user, the thing I'm looking as a Fairy (it might impact me as a community member who can nth and anti-nth titles) at isn't so much whether your argument is personally convincing to me, but how the community takes it as a whole. I think this sort of disengagement is healthier for the institution as a whole. To compensate for this scaling down of Fairy-driven title filtering, though, I've increased the role of community dissidence as a filter for title nominations. It can seem that a single antinom counts for a more than a single nth because titles are expressly

supposed

to have broad and mostly noncontroversial appeal. But the way to get a title moved forward when antinoms arise isn't to try to win my personal backing for the nom, but rather to outweigh dissidence with more backing from the community.

A lot of what I'm doing in this thread can look like disengagement/apathy, but I've tried to make it clear that it's driven by my specific philosophy about how titling should be handled. I think the call about whether a title is "good" should not center around my own or any specific Title Fairy's own tastes, so that (and not apathy or distraction) motivates me to take a back seat on points of disagreement I might otherwise strongly engage in when they don't concern basic standards for titles or other institutional policies. At the same time, I don't think mere majority support is alone good enough evidence of broad appeal to make a nomination a title, either, so that (and not apathy or distraction) motivates me to table titles that are clearly controversial.

I think these changes overall place the institution under sounder footing principle-wise while making it easier to get titles pushed forward, not harder. And that's reflected by the higher quantity of titles that ultimately get approved when they find support. We aren't in a situation where a tiny minority of naysayers (including often myself) is so reliably knocking down strong noms that titles never get through; in fact, I feel we're much closer to an opposite situation, where a plurality of highly agreeable regulars approve titles so readily that quality standards don't matter so much anymore. This is something I hope to ameliorate by normalizing the idea that my input as a community member about the quality of a title shouldn't crowd out differing opinions; we aren't there yet I think, so I hang back. I think it would also be useful to maintain institutional memory about dissidence that arose earlier in the thread to specific nominations. Also, something more specific I'm trying to say is that you shouldn't hand-wring so much about titles that don't get through because there was substantial dissidence surrounding them: there are plenty of fish in the sea. You can come up with new ideas for titles that get much more support than opposition. It's important to not get so attached to specific ideas that this thread becomes a point of paranoia for you, and maybe just appreciate the role of the community in distinguishing between one's good and one's great proposals, or at least between proposals with specific and with broad appeal. Something has to be that filter, and frankly you should be glad in recent cases that it hasn't been me.

Now, that's not all I need to say right now, I know that. Give me a sec.

[Gamma Emerald]

Mulch should be Blast Processing

this feels so good
like it encapsulates the idea in a snappy package

nom mulch for/ nth Blast Processing

[Gamma Emerald]

lolbalance is weird to me because I know it's not intended as an insult, but it's exactly how I'd complain about an Alisae setup that I didn't like.

I think people would've said the exact same thing about tarhalindur back then tbh. Not exactly the most popular mod lol.

Notoriety vs Popularity I guess

infamous is a word that exists

[mastina]

these ginngie titles are bad

Don't get me wrong, I'd be the first to want to title Ginngie, but.
'Tis true.

The titles suck.

I don't have any better suggestions, so unfortunately my recommendation would be to let it lie until someone does have a good suggestion, more or less.

[nancy]

this seems fitting

ToppDogg

[Mathdino]

@Psyche: My concern is still in that this forum is dominated by people who no longer play mafia, and don't know about the current generation's gimmicks, memes, playstyles, contributions, personalities.

Titles however long ago were basically given for "those moments" in mafia games that everyone knew about because everyone played mafia. Because people don't, I think there's unfair weight against the current gen and in favour of Speakeasy related things. Things like
- RC's title HAVING to be pushed through (because people don't like him) when it's just as good if not better than Pine's "In Your Head" for being good at scum
- Discussion on Mulch's title fizzing out and immediately pivoting to Ari relationship thread memes followed by yet more ego fights

I'm here because I want more titles under the names of people that I play with. I smile when I'm playing and notice RC's title or Creature's title ingame. I really don't see many tho.

And yeah, I think lack of adherence to rules which should if anything be MORE strict than mafia games is a major element as to why the current gen avoids the non-mafia forums and this thread. This isn't a welcome atmosphere.

2. Shitposts suck. This isn't GD. Your posts in this thread should usually be on-topic - contributing to the process of finding and securing good titles for users on this site. Occasional, especially tasteful off-topic posts are fine. But if a pattern of shitposting becomes evident and annoying, you'll be warned, and after repeated offenses or some egregious offense, you'll be banned from the subforum, etc.
3. Be civil. Even if you feel you have to say something contentious, you'll just have to be even *more* courteous about it.

Re: Ginngie: Yeah the Ginngie titles aren't hitting it yet, I knew mine was bad . Hmu if you can come up with something sheep/hammer related that's complimentary.

[PJ.]

RC's title suggestions were/are expressly against the rules, it has nothing g to do with whether people like him or not. His title is basically "this guy is a pick when he plays mafia and he's been banned for it hahaha we're memeing". But, it's like...mmm you shouldn't act that way in mafia, and he has certainly contributed to no one playing mafia on this site anymore with that attitude and has run members of the "new generation" off the site for being that way.

And hey, I'm glad you want to give all your friends titles as gifts but that's not what the thread is for. It's not the "mathDino and friend's title thread".

[Alisae]

Okay Panzer what IS the thread for.

[Alisae]

Like if this is thread isn't for giving people titles as gifts, then what is it for?

[Mathdino]

And hey, I'm glad you want to give all your friends titles as gifts but that's not what the thread is for. It's not the "mathDino and friend's title thread".

I'm not friends with the majority of the people whose titles I support.

I read through old threads and see some where like half the game is titled.

I just want to see current mafia players recognised.

Put a lid on the constant negativity/assuming.

[Not_Mafia]

Spoiler:

[PJ.]

Like if this is thread isn't for giving people titles as gifts, then what is it for?

It's for the community as a whole. It's not for your personal clique.

[vonflare]

FWIW I think mathdino is a valuable contribution to the thread