Gunner Mafia [Endgame]

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VOTE: Nero Cain
Wolf in SHEEP clothing.

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VOTE: dinosaur



Curious

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VOTE: weebe

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Lol. All random votes going on bins.
Now I totally want to try and lynch someone without voting them.

New game guys! Lol

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VOTE: quick

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Not at all. I'm not reading through that shit.

I mean whats the reason for your vote then?
And why are you choosing to just ignore all this games content and just complaining about the lack of it.

You saw me do the exact same thing before when I was Town so I'm really not sure why you have a problem with it???

I voted who I thought was the "leader" of the Scum faction.

This post seals them as scum for me.

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Not at all. I'm not reading through that shit.

I mean whats the reason for your vote then?
And why are you choosing to just ignore all this games content and just complaining about the lack of it.

You saw me do the exact same thing before when I was Town so I'm really not sure why you have a problem with it???

I voted who I thought was the "leader" of the Scum faction.

This post seals them as scum for me.

Why is that? You don't think Beeboy looks bad at all because of that? Is it Scummy of me to defend myself in this manner? Why is it Scummy? I pointed out a fact, not a speculation.

You say when you “was town”. That reads to me that you aren’t this game but ar aware enough to try and make yourself seem that you are. It reads fake.
I don’t get what beeboy is arguing. I just see it as forcing content and to me it looks like it worked.

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VOTE: screenplay

terrible ISO

Happy to lynch you tomorrow

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VOTE: Srceenplay

You can just stop.

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VOTE: screenplay

crazy theory: grey is scum

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OK, I just read the rules and shit..

Don't know why centipede encouraged me to claim. That's Anti-Town. I shouldn't have claimed and that's on me. This is not really a big deal though because I likely would have been lynched D1 anyways, so consider it a double day. Also, I signed up for this game when I should not have, so it's not going to bother me too much to leave the game early.

AtE

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Creature has 52 posts.

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I am not known for AtE. But explain.

The “poor me” I shouldn’t be here. Probably getting lynched anyway. That’s AtE

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So is you posting useless things after I responded to you your way of saying “ oh ya, you got me”

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telling myself i

Is not accurate when you are posting it so others can see.

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You say it’s not AtE. You where just saying it to yourself. If that’s the case it wouldn’t have been posted in the first place.
That shows you had other motives to post it. AtE

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I am not known for AtE. But explain.

The “poor me” I shouldn’t be here. Probably getting lynched anyway. That’s AtE

What makes you see that as scum intentioned considering he did it after the wagon on him was losing steam?

Because when I read it I thought to myself “fuck that. Don’t try to make me feel bad for voting you”. That seems like scum to me.

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I’m not moving.

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Holy shit.
You guys talk so much you are making my voice hurt.
I think I’m 8 pages behind now.

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Ok.
If people are town reading quick, what I’m I doing wrong? What is I don’t see?

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Ok.
If people are town reading quick, what I’m I doing wrong? What is I don’t see?

based off your avatar, there are many common sense things you don't 'see'

That’s not helpful and the avatar is not my choice.

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W/e. Bah.

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Now, I can see you still thinking that's scummy, but...

1. Has he done nothing else worth voting over since?
2. Why aren't you advocating for him if you believe in the vote strong enough to park on it while the rest of the game is clearly ignoring him as an option now (and, indeed, some are starting to town sort him while you sit there silently)
3. You really have no *stronger* scum read on anyone else for any reason? (<--this is the part making me curl my toes at your play slightly)

Is this toward me?


1: Idk. I’m 10-ish pages behind.
2: I did ask for their lynch. It’s not my style to make elaborate cases. I can’t do that. I see weird shit that pings me and I go vote it.
3: Not really. Brian pinged me earlier but I don’t remember why. I would have to iso.

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@thor, you’re full of shit.

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I don't get the Centipede comment

I get it.

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Your rebuttal suggests I'm actually being quite accurate.
So...

Still full of shit.

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Srceenplay - So you ask for a town read explanation on someone.
Get it.
Then just start screaming that the person offering the read is full of Smurf over and over instead of debating the read.
I don't get you.
Are you five or something?
Because then it would make sense.

Otherwise - what was the point exactly?

You used it as a platform to shade me.
Your point about me was bs.

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It's not shade to suggest you being unable to describe a read as not good for town or town play.
It's objective fact.

DO you disagree?
Do you think you're helping town wincon right now?

I gave my read.
You are trying to say I didn’t.
You are trying to call my playstlye anti town. That’s like saying I don’t deserve to be playing this game.
Am I awesome and able to be a town leader. No. And I don’t try because that’s not what I do. Iirc you called it playstyle as well and now you call it scumy.

Your town read didn’t sit well either.

The case for him being town is he's here, he's

active

, he's

rocking the boat

, and, within the context of how he plays, he

appears to be trying to gamesolve

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Which is more than I can say for easily six other players.
So EVEN IF you want to call him scum - the real question is why aren't those six other lurksacks opportunistic voters MORE scummy to you?

You describe what scum would be trying to do and the describe activity as scumy when it should be nai unless you have meta on someone that says otherwise.

So yes you are full of shit and probably quicks partner.


I found two. You are welcome.

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That's not true - what I said was you couldn't describe it. Which IS true.

I’m saying I think I already did

In post 1244, Srceenplay wrote:
You are trying to call my playstlye anti town. That’s like saying I don’t deserve to be playing this game.
Am I awesome and able to be a town leader. No. And I don’t try because that’s not what I do. Iirc you called it playstyle as well and now you call it scumy.

What I called scummy was your inability to explain how a theoretical six worse players were less scummy than your current top scumspect.
That you didn't take me up on the challenge shows I'm right that you couldn't.
That it offends you suggests I have a point that it's weak play.
I'm sorry that offends you - but since it appears to be true, and all I'm saying is that it's not good for town if you're town (which is also objectively true) why are you busting my balls instead of trying to explain your reads better?

My point was you are using activity as AI. I meant to say lack of activity you are saying is scumy. You describe what scum should be trying to do as AI. You are looking at surface level shit and trying to make something out of it. That’s fake. You find scum from lies or subconscious slips. The later is what I like.

In post 1244, Srceenplay wrote:
Your town read didn’t sit well either.
In post 1151, Thor665 wrote:
The case for him being town is he's here, he's active , he's rocking the boat , and, within the context of how he plays, he appears to be trying to gamesolve .
Which is more than I can say for easily six other players.
So EVEN IF you want to call him scum - the real question is why aren't those six other lurksacks opportunistic voters MORE scummy to you?


You describe what scum would be trying to do and the describe activity as scumy when it should be nai unless you have meta on someone that says otherwise.

I actually describe activity as townish, and suggest that lurking is scummy - the opposite of what you think I'm saying. Go look at my words again.
Does this realization change your attitude towards my read?

I also disagree that scum tend to be active, be rocking the boat, and be trying to gamesolve.
If you think that's what scum do what do you think town do

no it doesn’t change my attitude.
I’m not saying “scum are active”. Scum can be active and inactive. Town can be active and inactive. NAI. Trying to pass it as scum hunting is fake.
I already said what town should do.

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VOTE: Thor

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Not at all. I'm not reading through that shit.

I mean whats the reason for your vote then?
And why are you choosing to just ignore all this games content and just complaining about the lack of it.

You saw me do the exact same thing before when I was Town so I'm really not sure why you have a problem with it???

I voted who I thought was the "leader" of the Scum faction.

This post seals them as scum for me.

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That was easy

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Already answered first 3 questions

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Everything starts with a ping.

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in short, instead of focusing on the intent of that post, screen chose to focus on the semantics

Yes. Because that is what you do. You look behind the intent to get a feel for them.

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VOTE: quick

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Remind me later to bitch about quick again.
If no one still sees what I’m saying, fine I just sheep creature the rest of the day.
Right now I have to work.

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Actually probably sheep GreyICE

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I got busy yesterday.
I can still do it but don’t know if it is relevant atm.

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Idk how Maria could be scum for sure coming from the centi slot. I didn't see anything with a lot of proof or very incriminating from Maria's iso.

I’m going to wait and see what elli says

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i mean im still more down to lynch panoptic atm
if maria doesnt want to fight people pushing her then im not going to force a wagon on her when its going to be difficult when i know for a fact i can make a pan wagon and i feel more confident about it

so there!

Wasn’t the pan push because of the resistance to a Maria wagon?

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Elli is this a 100% read or Maria or is it just you saying they are scum?

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Especially you Creature/Srceenplay O_o

Im waiting.

Elli is this a 100% read or Maria or is it just you saying they are scum?

*on Maria

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What are you waiting for?
You've ducked explaining your deep reads, and now you don't want to weigh in on some sexy wagon competition?
This is the point you yell at me again for suggesting you're not helping town.

Haven’t ducked anything. You just haven’t read.
Tchill13 is probably town.
I don’t have an opinion on Maria.

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@cheeky
You are doing it wrong.

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We’ll see.
I have a different thought.
Then we will see who is right.

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Especially you Creature/Srceenplay O_o

Im waiting.

Elli is this a 100% read or Maria or is it just you saying they are scum?

*on Maria

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Especially you Creature/Srceenplay O_o

Im waiting.

Elli is this a 100% read or Maria or is it just you saying they are scum?

*on Maria

Never answered.

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i mean im still more down to lynch panoptic atm
if maria doesnt want to fight people pushing her then im not going to force a wagon on her when its going to be difficult when i know for a fact i can make a pan wagon and i feel more confident about it

so there!

Wasn’t the pan push because of the resistance to a Maria wagon?

Never answered.

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I think you're lying (again) quote it to prove me wrong?

I got busy yesterday.
I can still do it but don’t know if it is relevant atm.

These are the ones that set me off again. No one responded to me about doing it later, so I dropped it. The game moved along from that point and figured it would be a distraction from the current discussion.

can you talk about why youre taking stances on the wagon instead of the player?

I'm not taking a stance on the wagon. Whether Chill flips Town or Scum here you look bad both ways. If Chill is Town, it's opportunistic, if he is Scum, it's a buss without reasoning attached.

Shade throwing calling someone. Damned if they do. Damned if they don’t approach.

i said "choo choo". its basically an implication of "this is wagoning for the sake of the wagon". the follow-up question i had for tchill was asking for a timeline on his reads.

p-edit: on d1?

choochoo is hardly a reason to vote someone. You can't be serious here.

Yeah, happens a lot regardless of what day it is.

Town is stupid.

Town is stupid sounds like they are gloating talking about someone else.

Hell yeah. I've had a game where I voted three people on day 1 and my vote never left scum.

If you think it's impossible to have good reads on day 1 you might just be bad.

Could you please answer the question I directed at you? I'll repeat: do you plan on continuing the charade that you don't know your role or are you going to admit you knew your role all along? And I not even necessarily SRing you for that, so just be honest, kay?

Shading again but not scum reading.

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Tchill13 is probably town.

can i get some words on this?

Early with limited posts I could have been either way.
When he came back his posts was free flowing. I guess that’s how I would describe it. He’s not really caring about D1 and wants to move onto the next day. He’s not trying to force something.

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can you talk about why youre taking stances on the wagon instead of the player?

I'm not taking a stance on the wagon. Whether Chill flips Town or Scum here you look bad both ways. If Chill is Town, it's opportunistic, if he is Scum, it's a buss without reasoning attached.

Shade throwing calling someone. Damned if they do. Damned if they don’t approach.

Yeah, I am Pmuch TRing Gork because of that interaction.. want to try that again?

i said "choo choo". its basically an implication of "this is wagoning for the sake of the wagon". the follow-up question i had for tchill was asking for a timeline on his reads.

p-edit: on d1?

choochoo is hardly a reason to vote someone. You can't be serious here.

Yeah, happens a lot regardless of what day it is.

Town is stupid.

Town is stupid sounds like they are gloating talking about someone else.

Or, you know, I have played enough games of Mafia to know Town usually does stupid things. Take your pick

Hell yeah. I've had a game where I voted three people on day 1 and my vote never left scum.

If you think it's impossible to have good reads on day 1 you might just be bad.

Could you please answer the question I directed at you? I'll repeat: do you plan on continuing the charade that you don't know your role or are you going to admit you knew your role all along? And I not even necessarily SRing you for that, so just be honest, kay?

Shading again but not scum reading.

Since when is Scumhunting Shading?

1) It didn’t look like a town read to me.
2) You said Town. That feels like a separation from you. When I’m think town I think us or we.
3) It doesn’t look like scum hunting. Just fluff. Why say it’s nothibg to scum read for? It looked like an open ended question that you didn’t care for the answer.

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From my original strike list, would probably also strike Quick and Bins.

Still think we should kill all of {MariaR, Srceenplay, the worst}.

I’ve ignored it for awhile but wtf dude.

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You guys piss me off.
Prodgeing the rest of the day.

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Prodge

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Srceenplay, why have you been busy lately?

I took my Grandpa to the hospital this week and been babysitting him on and off.

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Srceenplay, is it normal for the worst to stay most of the day inactive while posting elsewhere and appearing just now?

Idk

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Srceenplay, are you in support on MariaR's lynch?

I’ve asked elli multiple times to talk about it.
I thought they where going somewhere else with it.
My Maria read is null.

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Srceenplay, do you think Centypede is town? Should we trust their reads (Ellibereth's, Chara's or both)?

Not familiar with Chara.
I trust elli but feel like they are ignoring me.
So idk.

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Srceenplay, do you think Panopticon has been doing something other than complaining about activity?

They did something that pinged me a couple days ago. I don’t remember what it was.
I don’t remember anything town from them.
They are around the null scum.


Gork made a comment about them earlier that was weird to me. Asked him to clarify a couple times but never did.

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Why did you prodge but then stay to answer questions if we're "pissing you off?"

Because I was being a smartass.

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Ever played with Brian Skies before?

No

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Srceenplay why do you scumread quick? What do you make of reactions to his slip?

I seriously doubt “that” is a slip.
I have showed some of their subconscious slips though.

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You're not going to disappear after I finish my questioning, right?

I never disappear. I just have a lot on my plate.

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i mean im still more down to lynch panoptic atm
if maria doesnt want to fight people pushing her then im not going to force a wagon on her when its going to be difficult when i know for a fact i can make a pan wagon and i feel more confident about it

so there!

Wasn’t the pan push because of the resistance to a Maria wagon?

Gork made a comment about them earlier that was weird to me. Asked him to clarify a couple times but never did.

i meant to reply to it at one point but my attention span sucks.
if by "wasnt this based on this one point?" you meant "wasnt this one part of a multi faceted case you were pushing?",
then,
yes.
it was vaguely related to me thinking pan's resistance to the "guilty" as a concept was a roundabout way of trying to discredit the push on maria without taking a stance on it directly.

Putting together so I can read together later.

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I’m around 20 pages behind.
Can someone just give me an iso homework?

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skimming iso

Anybody that just hopped in that slip is viable.

Anybody that just hopped in that slip is viable.

Anybody that just hopped in that slip is viable.

Anybody that just hopped in that slip is viable.

Anybody that just hopped in that slip is viable.

Anybody that just hopped in that slip is viable.

Anybody that just hopped in that slip is viable.

>admits that it's a scumslip
>still doesn't want to lynch scum
>

I don't like Quick but i can even agree its not a slip.

Okay, it's bad if GreyICE hasn't read his role PM.

why do people still fuss over this like somehow not reading ur role pm makes you more likely to be scum? lol

first of all if he's town he'll play like a vt

secondly if he's scum that's one fewer scum to coordinate so it's a long term liability

lastly who tf cares

It matters because it's prime WIFOM bait.

I played resistance last night.
Didn't really want to play.
but
I said I'm not looking at my card. Everyone blew me off except one person. He made a big deal about it. I called him out as scum. He was scum.


Kind of funny i see it here in this iso.

VOTE: Srceenplay

Srceenplay / tchill / quick / hopkirk are all ok to lynch today

I'll try to relax, but I still think that there's at least 2 scum on my wagon and I'm more sure of my Hopkirk read than any other read I've got this game.

What's the case v Screenplay, though?

-obserVed

Am I reading this right? Says I am an OK lynch then the next day asks whats even the case on me?

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VOTE: Pan

this is partially a self preserving vote with questionable things from iso i don't feel bad for it.

sorry i haven't had time for the site as of late.

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Of course

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Who vig Maria?

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Why did elli ignore me?

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Are you guys sure you won’t vote that slot with me?

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I don’t want to die.
VOTE: grey

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Elli you are acting real dense.
I wonder how Maria died?

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Can I be some invites please.

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Elli is acting weird
The worst I thought obv town me then flipped for some reason.
Pano was a lynch candidate but went away. Not sure what happened there.
Bins.

Just glancing at those on my wagon and who I think should be looked at next.

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I honestly don’t even think it’s grey but am willing to vote them to stay alive.

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We do have bee grey and random off of a main wagon at deadline.
They should probably explain that.

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I’m not confused and nothing is fake.

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I’m not hard claiming anything

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hey screen wanna fullclaim cause you’re likely going bye bye

Nope

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Gl

This game was hard to follow anyway

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"i really dont want to die"
"lol whatever kill me i didnt want to play anyways"

DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DI EDIEIEIEIEDIEI

Two completely different things.

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In post 3303, Brian Skies wrote:
In post 3214, Srceenplay wrote:
Who vig Maria?

Why did you ask this?

It’s pretty fucking apparent.
I kept asking Elli. If they were sure. Is it the 100% read or just a read.
I thought they might have been reaction testing. So I was waiting for their answer/letting it play out.

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rceen, can you respond to these:
In post 3321, Hopkirk wrote:
In post 3210, Srceenplay wrote:
I played resistance last night.
Didn't really want to play.
but
I said I'm not looking at my card. Everyone blew me off except one person. He made a big deal about it. I called him out as scum. He was scum.


There's a pretty central mechanic that impossible if you mean what you sound like you mean. Please explain in your next post how you could play resistance without looking at your card.

Part of the way to win is to make others believe you are town. So it doesn’t matter if what your card says per say. Just play as town. Your team would still be playing to their win con. They would also know who you are by deduction.

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Roflstop

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Awesome game town.

Thanks mulch for the game.
Thanks NSG for stepping in and taking over.