Gunner Mafia [Endgame]

[Toranaga]

Ill be here later

hi

[Toranaga]

VOTE: Gorkington

like this vote

[Toranaga]

VOTE: CheekyTeeky

dislike this vote

dislike creature up to this point

[Toranaga]

just assume Chara is posting, by the way. :>

Don't look at me, I'm lurking

that hurts my feelings.
/replace



/s

that hurts my feelings.
/replace



/s

i used to be so good about slipping.

Don't look at me, I'm lurking

Woops, alt slip.

VOTE: Centipede Syndrome

Something about this doesn't feel right.

~The Observer

agree but I'd look at creature first

[Toranaga]

awww I was hoping my vote would redirect to a player.

Why would you think this would happen?

very wolfy

[Toranaga]

What's this C-initialphobia though?

For some reason I thought the hydra was Creature/Chara, whoops.
It's still weird that you claimed an altslip that didn't happen :<

~The Observer

Still think Centypede is a good vote?

lowkey villagery

[Toranaga]

Tor I caught a wolf
help

tell me about it

also you're probably a villager

[Toranaga]

awww I was hoping my vote would redirect to a player.

Why would you think this would happen?

scumpost

VOTE: brian

ye

[Toranaga]

I think Ausuka's Brian push comes from town.

Come vote scum with me please.

I like this read

[Toranaga]

Ill be here later

hi

We can't be friends anymore if you've rolled scum

ok?

[Toranaga]

early reads are that creature is town, brian probably is too.

Agree with this. Ausuka can be an early town read.

wolfy

[Toranaga]

early reads are that creature is town, brian probably is too.

I think I'm being buddied.

Aw you drop back to null :/

Hi Cheeky

Hi Creature, how's life?

but how did you have brian as town early?

[Toranaga]

You don't townread me on meta already?

at the time of this post i would say no, i don't.
but that isn't true now, because based on your posts now i'd like to townread you for exactly that. but i won't because that would be dumb. :>
~Chara

pedit: please skim a little more, Quick.

towny

yes I'm just pointing at things for now

[Toranaga]

my one solid read is beeboy town

creature probably meta'd as town?

[Toranaga]

early reads are that creature is town, brian probably is too.

I think I'm being buddied.

Aw you drop back to null :/

Hi Cheeky

Hi Creature, how's life?

but how did you have brian as town early?

His observation on the vote count seemed townie. Why are you questionning my early gut reads and taking reaction test jokes seriously?

I wanna parse out how genuine they are as gut reads of course. I like that you flopped on it on a post brian made that I agree was wolfy.

[Toranaga]

quick's ISO is fine and he is likely a villager

[Toranaga]

quick's ISO is fine and he is likely a villager

Biggest scum reads?

a little early to say but some things brian wrote and some things you wrote have pinged me

[Toranaga]

most players are just bad so they look scummy b/c they are s bad.

what is this in reference to?

[Toranaga]

I mean I am going to take a break.
I just don't think voting mafia gunner like that occurs if someone puts any amount of thought into the game.

Also his argument he read none of the game and doesn't know what voting someone using part of there name looks like is kinda shit.
Him complaining about no content while not reading the game or trying to produce content is also shit.

And that he only chose to say he didn't read the start of the game after I brought up quotes is also shit.


But whatever I am wasting too much time here.

thoughts his reactions to your push were very genuine beeboy

find your frustration genuine as well so probably early TvT stuff

we have time to find scum yo

[Toranaga]

Ok let's try VOTE: Brigand Vvulf

why?

[Toranaga]

this is just a general statement about how I feel about MS play. In this game it could maybe fit for Creature and Quick.

and most of the Quick wagoners

that wagon is so bad I'm almost sure there's a couple of scum at least in it

[Toranaga]

this is just a general statement about how I feel about MS play. In this game it could maybe fit for Creature and Quick.

and most of the Quick wagoners

that wagon is so bad I'm almost sure there's a couple of scum at least in it

like Srceenplay?

or cheeky, yes

[Toranaga]

Ok let's try VOTE: Brigand Vvulf

why?

Why not? Is this going to be one of those games where you're going to question everything I do instead of letting me do my thing and assessing later?

I never did that to you dear. but sure, I'm letting you do your thing and won't push you. I'm your boay and want you to have fun

[Toranaga]

early reads are that creature is town, brian probably is too.

I think I'm being buddied.

Do you have any previous history with Ausuka that would indicate they might buddy you early on as scum?

Because to me this just looks like early reads and jumping to the conclusion that they're buddying you with a not-even-that-hard "Brian is probably town" is kinda weird

it reads as fake paranoia, yes

[Toranaga]

VOTE: screenplay

terrible ISO

[Toranaga]

this is just a general statement about how I feel about MS play. In this game it could maybe fit for Creature and Quick.

and most of the Quick wagoners

that wagon is so bad I'm almost sure there's a couple of scum at least in it

like Srceenplay?

or cheeky, yes

Explain Tor. How is my vote onto the wagon scummy?

I don't like you sheeping a bad read with poor reasoning on someone that's unlikely to be scum to begin with. are you wolfreading quick at all?

[Toranaga]

Sorry for the massive quote...

disagree with quick being over defensive if that was the whole reason for your vote

[Toranaga]

Sorry for the massive quote...

disagree with quick being over defensive if that was the whole reason for your vote

That's fine you can disagree. But I'm trying to point out that you're not being objective. You are pinged by me which seems to happen in every game we're in where we're not in a hydra, and you call out my vote as scummy when you clearly didn't even assess my intent in hopping on Quick. I am trying to sort players, jumping on quick when he felt I was defensive got further info for me and then a number of votes slid on after me with only Beeboy making any sense.

I'm getting frustrated because I want to work with you and I don't think this is how you approach me as scum, so you're probably just being derpy town.

calm down :/ I'm not interested in communicating all that much right now. I think you're town since I re-read your ISO and I think this last post is almost exclusively something you write as town, but there's no reason to be frustrated with me. there are very few elements ITT for me to read people either way confidently. we build as we go yes?

[Toranaga]

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[Toranaga]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7ZM4mjgrFw[/youtube]

[Toranaga]

cheeky you still around?

[Toranaga]

Why not? What you are talking about is sheep mentality. People are usually too stupid with group think to do things themselves.

I don't really think this would apply to you not caring about no one voting conf scum.
But whatever, read mechanics posts or the game if you town next time.

OK, you can be Town.

So far I have TRs on:

Nero
Beeboy
BrainSkys

Oh, right. Creature is Also Town.

hi there. can you expand on your brain townread? I can't see it as of right now

[Toranaga]

I’m not moving.

you feel like an excellent d1 policy lynch

either way I feel your recent posting comes more from arrogant town than scum, so I'm willing to go elsewhere

[Toranaga]

OK, I just read the rules and shit..

Don't know why centipede encouraged me to claim. That's Anti-Town. I shouldn't have claimed and that's on me. This is not really a big deal though because I likely would have been lynched D1 anyways, so consider it a double day. Also, I signed up for this game when I should not have, so it's not going to bother me too much to leave the game early.

this just feels incredibly genuine to me.

btw quick what did you claim? I don't think "villager" is a PR/vt claim and you shouldn't consider it as such.

[Toranaga]

Why not? What you are talking about is sheep mentality. People are usually too stupid with group think to do things themselves.

I don't really think this would apply to you not caring about no one voting conf scum.
But whatever, read mechanics posts or the game if you town next time.

OK, you can be Town.

So far I have TRs on:

Nero
Beeboy
BrainSkys

Oh, right. Creature is Also Town.

hi there. can you expand on your brain townread? I can't see it as of right now

Oh, I meant to retract the Nero and brain TRs. My bad.

meaning you had them as town at some point. can you elaborate on your progression from town to null here? like, what made brian town, and what made you retract it?

[Toranaga]

i am a sheep in wolf clothing

honestly this is just a wolf post like 50% of the time

[Toranaga]

elli please get in here and help chara get it together
(:

what do you mean 'help chara get it together'?

[Toranaga]

For some reason I thought the hydra was Creature/Chara, whoops.
It's still weird that you claimed an altslip that didn't happen :<

oh, that does make more sense.

pedit: Gork, you can be town only after i scumread you first.

what exactly changed?

[Toranaga]

@Ausuka: why town Creature?

engaged Creature is town Creature, always.

this is extremely early to tell and feels like TMI to me

[Toranaga]

cheeky you still around?

What's up?

IDK really

I wanna talk. I just finished work, and it's sunday, and every single second without someone holding me is a second I feel lonely as fuck

why am I like that?

also, IDK, I think you're town because you haven't been trying to appear towny if that makes sense. and I think my wolfread on screenplay is probably wrong now. and I want someone to bounce reads off of. I actually think... brian looks better than asuka in those early interactions. that townread came out of fucking nowhere, and then turning the knife on brian and shading him for thinking he was being buddied feels illogical and awkward.

gimme something.

[Toranaga]

'engaged creature is town creature, always'

that's such a wolf looking into the game tbh. the confidence of it 70 fucking posts into it. and nothing creature wrote was something a wolf couldn't easily write. even wolf creature. I mean he has to learn at some point. how is town so quick to call creature town here? it's suspicious.

[Toranaga]

VOTE: mulch

actually this is boring.
VOTE: brian skies

and now this. I don't like ausuka's progression. calls brian town, brian wonders if he is being pocketed, which is inherently a towny thought to have, and after an interaction in which brian does not appear particularly wolfy ausuka is voting brian? that's something now isn't it. not that I like brian's posts otherwise, but this ausuka progression is wolfy. townreads from nowhere, OMGUSing when convenient. kinda wolfy?

[Toranaga]

'engaged creature is town creature, always'

that's such a wolf looking into the game tbh. the confidence of it 70 fucking posts into it. and nothing creature wrote was something a wolf couldn't easily write. even wolf creature. I mean he has to learn at some point. how is town so quick to call creature town here? it's suspicious.

i don't think its about him learning lol

what?

look, creature is very likely town, everyone agrees with it. I don't think 70 posts into the game where creature said nothing relevant and made, what, 0 reads? is the place to call him town. any idiot can post up a storm, and creature is no idiot. the lack of suspicion bothers me. that was too early.

[Toranaga]

early reads are that creature is town, brian probably is too.

I think I'm being buddied.

Aw you drop back to null :/

Hi Cheeky

Hi Creature, how's life?

I love you cheeky

you're a villager here too <3

let's win together

[Toranaga]

Sorry, didn't read that whole mess. I skimmed enough to find out it was a mess tho.

I'm going here:

VOTE: Mafia Gunner

This is fake.

VOTE: Quick

I adore you this game cause I got to early townread you and I think this is the one time I'm correctly reading you town despite the fact you're tunneling on what I think is also town, but can you drop this? I mean it's not... people don't do fake do this kind of thing to get townread. it just looks kinda weird and not a derp clear, mate. come one beeboy. read his emotions here instead of this irrelevant one post.

[Toranaga]

ive called creature town on page 2 in a game before.

ive also seen scum feign paranoia of being buddied pretty often, its really not exactly an uncommon thing for scum to do.
so.
pretty baffled at anyone townreading brian skies of all players for that when hes not exactly green or bad at scum.

I mean you haven't listed me as a town read yet so you can't be that great

you voted me after i had posts in the game.
ur terrible

p-edit: hi im tora and im scumreading ausuka because i think the buddied comment is town while calling cheeky town for a post saying she doesnt like the buddied comment :V

pp-edit: maria are we allowed to lynch maria?

I'm not townreading brian. you missed my points entirely, which is not surprising given I'm playing on potatoscum.

[Toranaga]

because my point was that you were townreading brian.
certainly warranted the personal attack though.
(:

I'm not and never said I was so there you go. some things are inherently towny while the players doing so are not necessarily town for doing so. all I said was ausuka started a wolfread on brian for not wolfy things that brian did. I found it suspicious. how cheekyteeky plays mafia and the things I'll read her for are completely different from my ausuka read.

[Toranaga]

claimclaimclaimclaimclaimclaimclaimclaim

you're a wolf

VOTE: centipede syndrome

[Toranaga]

claimclaimclaimclaimclaimclaimclaimclaim

you're a wolf

VOTE: centipede syndrome

centipede has spent the entire game going through the motions, doing interactions that are meaningless and pushing pro-scum early claims because elli doesn't care, because elli isn't very likely a villager.

I liked one chara post way back then but that's being override by the many wolfy elli posts.

[Toranaga]

nero could be scum

tor and bee seem town

I agree with everything you posted given the timing you posted it

nero can absolutely be scum yes

[Toranaga]

OK, I just read the rules and shit..

Don't know why centipede encouraged me to claim. That's Anti-Town. I shouldn't have claimed and that's on me. This is not really a big deal though because I likely would have been lynched D1 anyways, so consider it a double day. Also, I signed up for this game when I should not have, so it's not going to bother me too much to leave the game early.

yeah centipede just flat out wolfsided cause that stuff isn't punished on potatoscum.

[Toranaga]

gorkington is likely town

so is beeboy and quick

cheeky can be town

I'm townreading screenplay but I'm absolutely lynching screenplay if everyone else wants to. every post is cringe.

I think hopkirk is playing a -bit- different from last time I played with wolf!him, but I don't like the excessive attention given to quick voting mafia gunner. feels like a not-actual-scum-hunting-related-reason to push someone.

I have brian/ausuka/centipede on different levels of hmmm but I wanna just lynch centipede. does nothing, scumsides, very typical elli openwolfing if the one game I played with him as a wolf is anything to go by.

so those are reads.

[Toranaga]

hey ufo how do you feel this compares to the raybells game bee and I didn't play

actually have you ever seen me do anything other than shitpost before page 50 or 60

I was a wolf so I didn't care what you posted

I remember you and amrock openwolfing in that game I was hydraing with HEM. this looks like that so far.

[Toranaga]

VOTE: Hopkirk

I'd rather sheep Thor atm.

I can see hopkirk being a wolf here, if anything for the excessive attention to quick's stuff.

[Toranaga]

lets definitely give this a couple of days

[Toranaga]

throwing nero in a town pile after ISOing him

most wolves probably didn't post enough to make themselves obvious etc

[Toranaga]

all these fuckers saying the scumread me but don't have the balls to stand up to me and say why are getting death tunneled and lynched.

oh now I wish I didn't townread you just to see how lame and weak your death tunnels are

[Toranaga]

throwing nero in a town pile after ISOing him

most wolves probably didn't post enough to make themselves obvious etc

No, you don't get to placate me you little scumfuckle

oh look, it's a mafiascummer whose ego is too inflated to deal with being wolfread!

[Toranaga]

ausuka's townread of brian is still kind of terrible and brian had every reason to suspect that fwiw

[Toranaga]

im only okay with lynching quick if we actually lynch quick and dont run him up, get 60 pages of noise because thats what happens when you wagon quick and then decide that we dont want to lynch him.

p-edit: i personally think brian's tone has been pretty uninvested so far in a way that could easily be scum trying to shrug off pressure.
i also think ausuka jumping around as much as they have already is pretty townish.

where was ausuka jumping around? apart from one move from brian town to voting brian, I see nothing.

[Toranaga]

no, I'm just calling bullshit on your "scumread" on me. And then when you realized that you couldn't make a case you scampered away with your tail between your legs.

you don't even know what I saw in you that was wolfy and why I was agreeing with someone else saying you might be a wolf. I was reading you being too conventional, non confrontational and reading into obvious stuff as obvious, like quick = town. if this last turd you posted about me is how you think i'm behaving, then I'm a wolf and it's your job now to case and get me lynched. now chop chop, go do that champ.

[Toranaga]

maybe after SG

I have 0 patience for fragile egos btw

case me bitch

[Toranaga]

Ausuka is a scumlean

I agree with this

I'm kind of null on brian the more I read him

kinda like my vote as it is

off to bed cya fellas

[Toranaga]

@Ausuka: why town Creature?

engaged Creature is town Creature, always.

this is extremely early to tell and feels like TMI to me

as someone who has a perfect record of reading Creature (and it's not like I'm the only one who can read him), you're wrong.

I also have a perfect record of reading creature, but I tend to wait until he starts playing to do so. otherwise it just feels like you're a wolf with TMI, delivering your perfect info townread on someone you know is going to be townread anyway.

[Toranaga]

Ausuka, how is it mean to scumread people? Assuming roles are randomly distributed, surely you have as much chance of drawing scum as I do (although slightly higher chance of knowing if you did). So is it mean to say "you were randomly selected for the scumteam?" Do you think that Mulch assigned scum preferentially to people he disliked? Or is this just an appeal to emotion?

Wtf is even this line of questioning?

indeed

cheeky, what do you think of greyice?

that feels SvS even. the grey/ausuka interaction.

[Toranaga]

Ausuka, how is it mean to scumread people? Assuming roles are randomly distributed, surely you have as much chance of drawing scum as I do (although slightly higher chance of knowing if you did). So is it mean to say "you were randomly selected for the scumteam?" Do you think that Mulch assigned scum preferentially to people he disliked? Or is this just an appeal to emotion?

Wtf is even this line of questioning?

indeed

cheeky, what do you think of greyice?

that feels SvS even. the grey/ausuka interaction.

Why SvS? Let me ISO him real quick.

to give you an example, remember mathdino not knowing how to interact with other wolves when he was playing with our hydra? he was making posts like these to us. the amount of self awareness you're talking with a scumbro was out of this world.

I find the post wolfy regardless, and conditional reads like that normally fail, but it does ping me that way...

[Toranaga]

Yeah that felt like a stretch to me too. Nero goes down Brian goes up.

I swear to god you are an idiot.

speaking of idiots, where's that death tunnel you promised me?

[Toranaga]

look kid, I get that I hurt your feelings but you aren't nearly as important as you think you are. Sorry, not sorry.

how did you hurt my feelings exactly?

so... no death tunnel? awww was looking forward to the cringe. tho you're providing cringe regardless, so maybe I didn't miss much.

[Toranaga]

greyice's ISO is trash but I feel like that first post isn't really something mafia writes?

[Toranaga]

Well his ISO is garbage. Bad entrance but not sure if scummy bad. Ausuka push seems bandwagony seeing as hes contributed eff all and pop's in to interrogate one of the players under heavy suspicion in what feels like a disingenuous way. Contrary to Ausuka though he's not lacking tone.

Also in reading his ISO I think Hopkirk might be town this game. Check it out it's not long.

I saw this and decided to hit enter anyway cause I had the same fucking thoughts on grey's ISO

muh hydra partner :~

we should have hydrad for this if we're going to have the same thoughts anyway

[Toranaga]

greyice's ISO is trash but I feel like that first post isn't really something mafia writes?

I don't see how it makes sense as either alignment tbh.

maybe Ice is just a different type of player. I still think ausuka is fairly wolfy.

I'll go down to grab a bite or something then I'm back to iso hopkirk. we should be able to read him.

[Toranaga]

who is CS?

[Toranaga]

look kid, I get that I hurt your feelings but you aren't nearly as important as you think you are. Sorry, not sorry.

how did you hurt my feelings exactly?

so... no death tunnel? awww was looking forward to the cringe. tho you're providing cringe regardless, so maybe I didn't miss much.

Well, I was being slightly facetious (it's up to you if you believe that or not) but the whole you scum read me>>>I ask you to back it up>>>you can't back it up/you town read me kinda did make me You kinda threw a hissy fit and flailed out at me but I expect that for newer join dates regardless of alignment. You mostly seem useless but your reads are pretty much all over the place and change constantly but that's still null. Nothing really makes me lean one way or the other but I'm leaning teenager.

I explained my read on you and my other reads are consistent and reasonable, not just random insults like you've been doing so far. also, I'm 30. also, I have years and years of mafia experience, and I always giggle when people from potatoscum assume otherwise and think they can walk over me with their inflated, fragile egos like you did.

[Toranaga]

who is CS?

Centipede Scum, who we're voting. It might be SC lol.

I'll move from elli when elli starts villaging. I have 0 sympathy for what people are calling 'memeing' on quick and inducing him to claim. that's just pro-scum play.

[Toranaga]

age=//=mental age

you have the mental age of someone who can't possibly be suspected or scumread without insulting the person and threat to death tunnel them, which is hilarious.

[Toranaga]

Voting scum isn't a good way to find scum.
We've already found scum.
The problem is voting them.

Could you self vote and speed things up?

You are 100% confirmed scum to me right now. We need to 1v1. Anyone who votes outside of us from this point on is confirmed wolf. On a scale of one to infinity, you are infinitly scum. You need to flip to death and I will

pillage

your corpse for the towncred that will naturally follow from me being so so right about how terrible a thing you are. That's right, a thing, not a person. You can try and hide it all you want, but everyone with

eyes

can BLATENTLY see exactly what you are doing here. It makes me sick to even be having to case you for being obvious scum here. Anyone who isn't voting for Grey here should take a moment to consider whether they read their role pms wrong, because being scum is literally the only way you couldn't see exactly what kind of

SICK

game Greyice is trying to play here. The scum/wolf stench is so strong I can bearly bear actually voting with him. The association with that much scum in one place makes me feel like scum too. You are the scum

abyss

and even a glance makes me feel worse, let alone a gaze. The scumminess radiating from you in every direction makes me want to lynch you, and the people above and below you in the playerlist. I am shocked and appalled that you haven't been either lynched, or vigged already. It is simply inconcievable that you, scum incarnate, are still here right now.

They'll never suspect this

really is

a mutual hard bus.

thiis is a copypasta right? other than that I think hopkirk has been playing different than his last wolf game with us and I feel he has been fairly towny/noticing things I'm noticing too. not strong either way.

[Toranaga]

How did you read it as 'this slot is confirmed scum' without thinking it was weird that nobody else was voting it/talking about it Quick?
In that scenario, I'd expect you to think other people were voting elsewhere to form reads before they ended the day by voting MG. Actually voting MG there is kind of LAMIST even if you thought it was true.

If a scum-player controls MG like the other game then it's worse.

I hate this though. but... he didn't stretch the read? it feels as if he might be trying to reach out to whatever quick was thinking there.

[Toranaga]

weak townlean from ISO

could really be anything, but feel is town.

I think... ausuka/greyice/centipede are the scummiest, and then 0 posters are probably scumheavy.

so this is game so far. I'm basically townreading everyone that posted anything reasonable outside of these 3. yes, including brian.

[Toranaga]

Yeah that felt like a stretch to me too. Nero goes down Brian goes up.

I swear to god you are an idiot.

^

this is why I'm giving you a hard time right now nero. fucking tone down with insulting people mate.

[Toranaga]

I won't be here for some 10-12 hours

[Toranaga]

Hopkirk-

83, 93, 99, 324 seem towny imo.

283 303 are better in ISO than when I read them in real time.

201 felt like a copy of Beeboy's case.
247 felt awkward.

Apart from Quick I don't understand the other votes there.

Yeah he does seem different in that he seems a bit looser, and has more pushes than just commenting like last game.

Tor why do you TR vvulf?

he pointed at things I thought while I was catching up with the thread. ISOing now... first he voted gork when my feelings were that gork was scummy early on. then called brian out for a scumpost that I thought was scummy too. and then #391 "nero can be scum. bee and tor seem town" reflect a feeling I was having that nero could in fact be scum. I explained why to him couple pages back. he is hard wolfreading brian but I don't think anyone can be crucified for doing so... so my read on vulf is basically for pointing at things I was thinking of. he didn't do anything inherently towny otherwise.

[Toranaga]

Well, she is! "OMH Nero found something that contradicted the op and it made him @ Brian, but Brian had a good defense thus Nero is scummy." Like sorry, but your girlfriends logic is junk.

I'm too flattered that you think I'm dating cheeky to be mean to you now

[Toranaga]

Tora, slow your roll, your going to get NKed and then won't be able to solve late game... L M A O

true story, I'm trying to play my d1s like shit on MU to avoid the n1 NK lol

not the same thing on MS tho. I'm not viewed as strong here and played some bad games.

[Toranaga]

y wouldn't she date you?

we're both married to other people and she lives far

she can be my online girlfriend tho

I have a couple of those already but.

[Toranaga]

also she is out of my league

[Toranaga]

@Tor - I am not getting your town lean on either Screen or Hopkirk.
The Hopkirk one I disagree with, but at least understand where you're coming from.
What's up with the Screen one though?

I found him too... obtuse to be scum? like, not trying to be townread. but tbh the moment you quoted him I remembered his posts and figured I shouldn't put him in a townpile with the rest.

hopkirk is a weak townlean, can go eitehr way etc. would not lynch rn.

do you agree with my wolf reads?

[Toranaga]

awwwwww

[Toranaga]

thor, that post you quoted is awful from screen tbh. as cheeky said though, he is always someone people wolfread, and I think for making posts like these that might be NAI for him.

that goddamn avatar can't help either.

[Toranaga]

love your last post thor

you remind me of montecore from POG. great player as well.

I'm down to lynching screenplay and agree grey can wait.

[Toranaga]

true story, I'm trying to play my d1s like shit on MU to avoid the n1 NK lol

not the same thing on MS tho. I'm not viewed as strong here and played some bad games.

I am finding I have the same exact problem as you in regards to NK N1 on MU and not on here. That is very strange indeed.

who are you?

[Toranaga]

VOTE: screenplay

probably wolfy as fuck even for screenplay

[Toranaga]

VOTE: SCREENPLAY

CheekyTeeky(2) ~ Nero Cain(2)

That typo in the username.

What a flawless defense.

VOTE: CheekyTeeky

awww I was hoping my vote would redirect to a player.

Why would you think this would happen?

early reads are that creature is town, brian probably is too.

I think I'm being buddied.

^^^^ spiffeh

I can totally see brian's point of view in context here. just what exactly could warrant a townread from him? 3 empty as fuck posts and you're townread for it? it's suspicious.

[Toranaga]

jsyk, I initially did think it felt like fake paranoia but reading in context I agree with Brian. ausuka is a wolfread of mine rn.

[Toranaga]

spiffeh: I agree, but right now I'm reading into it as poor phrasing/use of words rather than scummy jumping to conclusions. instead of thinking he is being *buddied*, which I agree is quite ridiculous, he was more precisely reading into it as "I did nothing to warrant a townread and IDK why I'm getting one", which he explained later. people use the term buddying way too broadly and it's not always what they mean. I don't think brian actually thinks scum is trying to buddy him.

quick: yeah we're definitely seeing eye to eye here mate

[Toranaga]

Also,

I'd like to know which of you Mulch invited to play this game for my own ENTERTAINMENT.

eh he asked me a bunch, but just cause he thinks I'm good player. he was very specific that he does not like my face last time we talked lol.

[Toranaga]

Gorkypie I really don't like the manner in which you chose to engage with Quick

I feel like it's been a common thing to say that Quick has been trolling/being intentionally useless and beyond being a little defensive when being wagoned early on I feel like he's bounced back nicely and been contributing? It may not be up to your standards or maybe not all that readable for you but I think saying that he's been shitposting for 10 pages is pretty disingenuous.

Also, it's pretty obvious from his opening posts that Quick trips over his words a lot so you pointing out logical inconsistencies with his posting isn't all that compelling and I feel like town!you should know that? So 680 and 681 don't really sit well with me.

If you're scum reading Quick which I think you might be can you help me see why?

great post spiffeh

I have a feeling that if both you and thor are town, we're going to win this

[Toranaga]

maybe 10 pages was an overexaggeration but the last 4-5 pages quick was pretty clearly just completely shitposting and i) it was super irritating to read and ii) quick is jokey and useless as scum from my limited knowledge of his scumgame.

if i was trying to vote and push quick and not trying to get him to do things i could understand the complaint, but i feel like you just saw me push him and then ignored literally everything in terms of the actual context of what happened in that conversation.

btw if you wanna catch buddying scum, check how elli treated you earlier

[Toranaga]

I'm back

where's muh cheeky

[Toranaga]

Votecount 1.21

Centipede Syndrome(6)

~ CheekyTeeky(51), Creature(73), Gorkington(45), Quick(157), Tchill13(2), Hopkirk(54)

Srceenplay(2)

~ Brigand Vvulf(18), Toranaga(97)

Hopkirk(2)

~ Thor665(10), Brian Skies(34)

Brian Skies(2)

~ Spiffeh(31), Bins(15)

Tchill13(1)

~ Ausuka(35)

Spiffeh(1)

~ MariaR(5)

Quick(1)

~ Srceenplay(19)

CheekyTeeky(1)

~ GreyICE(21)

Ausuka(1)

~ Panopticon(30)


Not Voting (6): Town Gunner(0), Mafia Gunner(0), Beeboy(56), The Worst(2), Centipede Syndrome(71), Nero Cain(46)

With 21 alive it takes 11 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2018-04-25 12:53:00)

nice main wagon. I think I was the first centipede vote? then I moved to screenplay. I would like to not lynch chara and elli d1 but if they keep doing nothing that's even remotely villagery they can eat a lynch. and by the looks of it, they just randed scum and can't effort enough to get away from the hole they dug themselves in.

[Toranaga]

Even if town, his play makes the game hard to read, which is honestly enough reason on it's own to lynch him.

-_-

I'm joyfully ignoring panop and other people who do nothing but complain that quick exists and how he plays

to me quick is fine. I don't hate myself enough to read all the walls of text he posts, or the spats with other posters, but he seems very town to me.

[Toranaga]

gork im disappointed in you
the rest of the ppl are shitters but you

kind of a wolf post too

rest of the ISO is a dumpster fire

I can lynch screenplay instead? or, maybe, ausuka. but I need to read ausuka in more detail since they seem to be trying to appear villagery finally.

[Toranaga]

I'm joyfully ignoring panop and other people who do nothing but complain that quick exists and how he plays

Last time I saw a player complaining about how others are playing, it was scum (Yeti).

yes and reading yeti gave me ebolaids that game. so I'm just avoiding it. also I think pano is a villager for some early stuff that was bearable enough to be read.

[Toranaga]

oh are you guys gonna make me have to read pano? :/

[Toranaga]

I just opened pano's ISO and no

I'd rather stay out of this wagon and have no real opinion on it. gun to my head it flips town, but you do you.

screenplay/centipede wagons are my favorites rn. maybe tchill? his appearance in the thread was horrible.

[Toranaga]

Nero is clear and so is hopkirk.

What about Beeboy?

VOTE: Pan

Not sure but we can throw in cheeky for sure.

As town?

yeah. Your all clear.

how are all these people clear?

I mean I'm townreading all of them but why are you clearing them?

[Toranaga]

VOTE: tchill

god bless that ISO. the first post was scummy, the centi vote was out of this world scummy, and this last post is incredibly awkward and unbelievable to be thinking of/saying. let's kill tchill.

[Toranaga]

ok tchill/centi/screenplay are wagons I believe in

[Toranaga]

okay

all of you need to think like a crazy person and you'll see what quick's thinking

quick needs to think like a normal person and then he'll realize what he's thinking is wrong

lmao

are you a jester?

[Toranaga]

let's just maj tchill and move on please

one of you is going to hardclaim something unnecessary if we keep going

[Toranaga]

idk about thor.

The Auska one, as described, makes sense, I don't see it as outside Auska townplay, but it also seems a perfectly reasonable idea to lynch her over. I'd help lynch her.

this confuses me, but I wouldn't say it's necessarily from scum? what do you think?

Tchill wagon is glorious.

it's a very thor thing to not particularly care about who gets lynched as long as it's someone he is not particularly townreading. I don't think it's alignment indicative. easy to be noncomittal scum, but also something I see him doing a lot as a villager (we only played once but it was one of -those- games that lasted 2 months and had me making 1k posts and metadiving every single living player at some point).

[Toranaga]

I'm 11 pages behind and sring people with high post counts and are prob tr...yay

I liked you better when you were aggressive and nasty

hate the lowkey approach. miss the old maki...

[Toranaga]

I'm 11 pages behind and sring people with high post counts and are prob tr...yay

I liked you better when you were aggressive and nasty

hate the lowkey approach. miss the old maki...

I'm not rly interested in this game no one to talk too set up feels meh anti claim is annoying
Really only here for the playlist and hoping something goes right
Pedit yeah 1 sec let me get on my computer mobile posting is a bitch

talk to me. how can I annoy you today maria?

[Toranaga]

I think maria is town fwiw

she just feels natural

[Toranaga]

I town read Quick now, ty Tor for asking me to back off.

I think I am leaning towards hopkirk I didnt overly like his vote on Elli

ISO tchill and let's finish the gameday

[Toranaga]

Ok.
If people are town reading quick, what I’m I doing wrong? What is I don’t see?

based off your avatar, there are many common sense things you don't 'see'

[Toranaga]

I town read Quick now, ty Tor for asking me to back off.

I think I am leaning towards hopkirk I didnt overly like his vote on Elli

ISO tchill and let's finish the gameday

Sure, what are your thoughts on Nero atm?

weak townlean

not something I can hard parse out today

[Toranaga]

1. Toranaga (they've said some things i agree with but i can't shake the feeling something isn't right. gut read)

21. Nero Cain (I was townleaning you before, but I'm reading your argument with Toranaga being a lot less productive than it could have been)

This feels like playing both ends against the middle and I hate it.

True, the thing I hate most about Tor is how he was playing a balancing act with his Creature read.

Sure, what are your thoughts on Nero atm?

What made you want to talk about me?

a balancing act? pfft. are you trying to make me scumread you now? what the hell are you talking about?

[Toranaga]

yeah maria can you ISO tchill then join his wagon? it's quite a terrible ISO and it's especially worse in context with the timing he made the posts he made

opengivenup wolf imo

[Toranaga]

VOTE: quick

Trouble finding the thread. I'm here now ladies and gentlemen. Will catch up soon.

Voted because of biggest wagon of course.

VOTE: cent

That's actually scummy.

All I know is these wagons seem to snowball very quickly. Interested to see if the same people are consistently the 2-5th votes.

tchill's entire ISO

[Toranaga]

a balancing act? pfft. are you trying to make me scumread you now? what the hell are you talking about?

I can throw up some quotes later but you have alot of "hey guiz wait, its too early to town read creature" while town reading him just enough that he wouldn't OMGUS you.

I was talking specifically about ausuka townreading creature way too early when I wasn't even liking his posts and thought he was suspicious. your lack of reading skills =/= me doing a 'balancing act'. nice fake read though, almost intelligible.

[Toranaga]

a balancing act? pfft. are you trying to make me scumread you now? what the hell are you talking about?

I can throw up some quotes later but you have alot of "hey guiz wait, its too early to town read creature" while town reading him just enough that he wouldn't OMGUS you.

I was talking specifically about ausuka townreading creature way too early when I wasn't even liking his posts and thought he was suspicious. your lack of reading skills =/= me doing a 'balancing act'. nice fake read though, almost intelligible.

Ausuka's TR on Creature makes sense based on the other game from the post I linked earlier. Ausuka can actually make that read as Town.

creature had made 0 reads when ausuka started townreading him. I felt it was odd. I wasn't doing a 'balancing act' anyway, that was the purpose of my response here.

[Toranaga]

Are you aware of Creatures meta?

yes brother

[Toranaga]

but ffs making 20 non content posts isn't hard

creature has tried before he flaked before

[Toranaga]

worse than townreading creature was townreading brian for reasons only ausuka and whatever god ausuka follows know

[Toranaga]

this convo leads nowhere

I wasn't doing a balancing act, that's all I argued. you think creature farting itt is enough for a townread. f i n e. my lynch target is tchill anyway.

[Toranaga]

here for a bit

kinda drunk

ready to leave for party

[Toranaga]

Thor do you scum read Hopkirk? 1157 feels like you're talking to town.

I'm spending the entire post mocking him and denigrating his case on me.
If that's a town/town conversation to you then it's a town/town conversation - it is what it is and I said what I said.
I do scum read him - I'm voting him don't'cha know.

is there any reason you are not voting tchill right now? check his ISO please

[Toranaga]

this convo leads nowhere

I wasn't doing a balancing act, that's all I argued. you think creature farting itt is enough for a townread. f i n e. my lynch target is tchill anyway.

I wasn't trying to cast shade man. Trying to convince you who is Town is all.

Regardless of Tor's alignment...he knows. I'm just willfully antagonizing him on his bad reads. Not all that interested in the tchill or Screenplay scum reads he's pushing either.

you're antagonizing my read with senseless reasoning. how does that work? how does mischaracterizing what I said so you can punch that strawman really hard make any sense, when you're not even doing it because you think I might be scum? are you making it personal or something? cause honestly I'm posting this to you and I don't even remember your nickname unless I check it, I just know it's jesus with american flag cause it's a stupid as fuck avatar to have. so just let it go. you're irrelevant to me, I'm irrelevant to you. go play mafia instead of bugging me with your petty shit please.

[Toranaga]

Thor do you scum read Hopkirk? 1157 feels like you're talking to town.

I'm spending the entire post mocking him and denigrating his case on me.
If that's a town/town conversation to you then it's a town/town conversation - it is what it is and I said what I said.
I do scum read him - I'm voting him don't'cha know.

Why are you phrasing his actions as silly instead of scummy? Clearly you don't think silly and scummy are the same thing looking at your srceenplay and Quick reads.

ISO tchill please

look this whole gameday is about finding one scum and creating a POE

we have a towncore. let's lynch wolf and move on.

[Toranaga]

jsyk with all my terrible reads, every single top wagon other than quick was basically toranaga build

I'm not toothing my own horn or anything, but if my reads were that bad they wouldn't resonate with other intelligent players

[Toranaga]

Lmfao Tor...he has 3 posts wtf? Why are you pushing this?

3 wolf posts, my dear. his centi vote is absolutely senseless. his 3rd post is the scummiest thing I ever read this game. he cannot possibly be read up enough to have a centipede wolfread, and he still votes taht. probably bussing. his 3rd post is some throwaway comment on wagons, instead of looking into what players are saying. it's bad wolfing and requires death. why wouldn't I push it? I'm more satisfied with that lynch than centipede and screenplay lynches, so that's where I'm at.

[Toranaga]

VOTE: Hopkirk

Thor's never been wrong.

-ObserVed

except he has and he can also be a wolf, so gl with your blind sheeping.

ISO tchill.

[Toranaga]

Lmfao Tor...he has 3 posts wtf? Why are you pushing this?

also if you know me

and if you learned anything from that hydra game

you know lynching lowposters is something I very much enjoy d1 and also has a higher chance of catching wolf than otherwise. I literally couldn't care less that tchill didn't post enough. just strenghtens my wolfread on him.

[Toranaga]

For what reason do you want to convince me differently, Toranaga?

-ObserVed

I want a higher scum equity player getting lynched.

[Toranaga]

sheep me then loltor when I'm wrong. how easy is that? it won't even be your fault.

[Toranaga]

Lmfao Tor...he has 3 posts wtf? Why are you pushing this?

also if you know me

and if you learned anything from that hydra game

you know lynching lowposters is something I very much enjoy d1 and also has a higher chance of catching wolf than otherwise. I literally couldn't care less that tchill didn't post enough. just strenghtens my wolfread on him.

What have you been able to wolf read? Have you played with him before? If this wagon went through then what would we learn from the flip?

I have played with tchill twice. I have metadived tchill. he can be aids stubborn high posting town. he can be lowposting town. he is never highposting scum and he has played low effort and this poorly as scum before.

I have just explained why he is a wolfread. the centipede wolfread makes no sense unless he read parts of the thread, which by him making 3 posts he clearly didn't. he made no interactions otherwise and then threw a horrible comment on wagons. all of these are wolfy.

what we learn from the flip? we need to remove scum. scum has night actions. lynch, move on to the next day. this is not montainous for us to be info lynching, so we're not doing that. lynch scum to remove their power roles, so nights are more townsided. tchill is scum. (probably).

[Toranaga]

Also did Toranaga try to argue that Tchill is a better scum player than Hopkirk?

Is that actually what he just argued?

Because maybe I'm voting the wrong spam poster, especially if Tchill is town and Hopkirk is scum. And my god, I feel Hopkirk scum in my bones.

no, that's not what I argued, but please vote me. I expect nothing less from potatoscum players than to misread, mischaracterize and then spite vote other players because they're not sharing the same reads with them.

[Toranaga]

That's not what he said at all...@Grey

Ah good, then. Since you have some sort of inside connection that lets you chat with Toranaga and tell me about his reads, what does this mean exactly?

For what reason do you want to convince me differently, Toranaga?

-ObserVed

I want a higher scum equity player getting lynched.

Because I think that's exactly what he said.

I think you're illiterate.

[Toranaga]

'higher scum equity' = more likely to be scum

not better at scum

jesus christ you guys.

[Toranaga]

anyway

off to party

expect thread to be locked with tchill flip when I'm back, no joke.

[Toranaga]

Yeah, Toranaga is a useless sack of dog turds.

spoken like a true potato player

you'd actually love tchill, you guys have so much potatoes in common

[Toranaga]

po
ta
to

[Toranaga]

sheep me then loltor when I'm wrong. how easy is that? it won't even be your fault.

No thanks.
Seems like you're baiting me into a mislynch.

VOTE: Toranga

-V

If tchill is somehow town this post is tmi af

[Toranaga]

Gunner kill: Toranaga

Awwwww

[Toranaga]

I disliked cheeky recent posting cause i think greys potatosy is pretty towny And dunno How she read it otherwise

[Toranaga]

sheep me then loltor

when I'm wrong

. how easy is that? it won't even be your fault.

No thanks.
Seems like you're baiting me into a mislynch.

VOTE: Toranga

-V

If tchill is somehow town this post is tmi af

Nah, I like that post.

Ok?

[Toranaga]

Also since when is disagreeing with you scummy Tor?

it's not... I don't like when you interact with me like that. look, the potato guy just fake shot me, right? so clearly I don't think disagreeing with me = scum. I just see his type of very special behaviour as likely town. I don't have much else to say. I understand you're scumreading the guy independently of that interaction. I'm not, but I think that interaction we had puts him as more likely town than not. IDK. I expect you to catch up on that.

I really want you to be town too... I don't even care about this game if I'm not winning it with you rn. cause then I'm winning with the potato people.

I'm too tired to think lol.

parse out tchill etc. I'm not interacting with him.

[Toranaga]

Why am I being voted?

WHY ME = FRY ME

Vote: Tchill13

[Toranaga]

present day
present time
potato

[Toranaga]

Tora are you still aggravated at me because of that one game and just wagoning/refusing to talk to me because of it?

no I mean I'm not interacting because I'm going to bed lol

I just think you randed scum this time!

[Toranaga]

Also why me doesn't equal fry me or else nobody would say why me.

that's the eloquence I expect from a lannister

[Toranaga]

I just see his type of very special behaviour as likely town. I don't have much else to say. I understand you're scumreading the guy independently of that interaction. I'm not, but I think that interaction we had puts him as more likely town than not. IDK. I expect you to catch up on that.

I really want you to be town too... I don't even care about this game if I'm not winning it with you rn. cause then I'm winning with the potato people.

I don't see it - it looks to me like him trying to distract from his awkward moment by fluff posting. I also don't appreciate the AtE here to strong arm your PoV instead of trying to see mine.

I'm not strong arming anything. you read the game the way you wanna read the game, cheeky. I tried to explain how I was feeling, and I had some beers and I'm passing out and waking up every 20 minutes so I'm not exactly posting anything calculated. I'm not emotionally manipulative person to strongarm my POV instead of trying to see yours, so your read isn't right. if you think I'm appealing to emotion by being too honest with you, then I'm sorry and I'm cutting off from saying these things, so there.

[Toranaga]

Nero what are your thoughts on Thor pushing the Srceenplay read onto Tor?

I'm not really sure what this is so I'll have to do a double ISO of them later and get back to you.

you're antagonizing my read with senseless reasoning. how does that work? how does mischaracterizing what I said so you can punch that strawman really hard make any sense, when you're not even doing it because you think I might be scum? are you making it personal or something? cause honestly I'm posting this to you and I don't even remember your nickname unless I check it,

I just know it's jesus with american flag cause it's a stupid as fuck avatar to have.

so just let it go. you're irrelevant to me, I'm irrelevant to you. go play mafia instead of bugging me with your petty shit please.

bro, if you want to lash out @ me b/c I inadvertently questioned your manhood then fine but leave American Jesus out of this!

jsyk with all my terrible reads, every single top wagon other than quick was basically toranaga build

TBF, that's not always a good thing. Sure, there's always the possibility that you are a town hero that has scum dead to rights and you are the pied piper but its just as possible that you are wrong (and so are others) or scum is sheeping you. # howmafiaworks

That said it would be worth a look to see who (if anyone) keeps joining wagons with you. Could be scum shadowing you.

I had no idea you questioned my manhood! when was that? I missed the cringe. fuck.

[Toranaga]

would american jesus ISO tchill and possibly vote him though?

[Toranaga]

I can't say the same. there are lots of great players on MS, MU and just about every site I play. game recognises game though. potato recognises nothing.

[Toranaga]

That's just flat out childish if you aren't gonna engage me lol.

I'm trying to sleep I promise

just work in the game? go read the pages, find scum, do your thing. you don't need me for anything. if you're town, others will clear you.

[Toranaga]

go read the pages, find scum

y r talking to him as if he's town?

I'm not a stupid tunneler and am always cheritable to other players. I don't -know- tchill is scum, so there's no reason for me to talk to him as if I do.

[Toranaga]

i have someone as 100% scum now.

only one though and I'm too busy to do the rest so I'm leaving that to chara.

stay tuned.

I'll 100% ignore your read unless I actually agree with it on the principle that none of this is any fun as far as mafia games are concerned

also you have pretty high wolf equity yourself and chara isn't helping

tchill wagon still pretty solid. he refused to do any kind of work in the game and didn't approach me in a towny manner. sorry I don't have a software to be sure about it...

[Toranaga]

I'm a professional poker player. I know what equity means.

[Toranaga]

No, he specifically refuted that definition. It apparently only means "has a better chance to be scum" or something.

I don't think anyone is a "professional poker player" at age 13, but he probably watches poker players on Youtube and picked up the word.

I play mafia on puzzles and other games - a subforum to two plus two, which is a poker forum - since 2012. we use the term like that there. we also use the term 'equity' in poker in a much different manner than in whatever you googled for, since we use equity to talk about the chance of picking up the pot at showdown and whatever branches out of that. you could have just asked, and I'd explain, but instead you chose to go the tool route, which is totally expected from potatoscum people.

[Toranaga]

i dont really understand why youd keep escalating this by referring to him as a potato still.
probably better to just let this go and focus on other things?

it is better to let it go and take the high road, sure. easier said than done when the guy keeps insulting me at every opportunity, no? he is a potato player after all. I'm not even lying...

[Toranaga]

Gork can be town now.

Tor and Grey - unless one of you is advancing this debate as a scum read on the other, I personally vote for letting it go.

is potato an alignment?

[Toranaga]

will probably make you feel better if you just decide its not worth it.
mafia is already irritating enough.
dont need to make it worse by arguing over NAI off-topic shit

I mean you're right, mate. what can I say? I just feel like poking people. I'm rude and bad mannered. I'll drop it though, I'm sure it's annoying as fuck to read. grey can have the last word on which one of us is a bigger tool.

[Toranaga]

Ausuka is still scum, Hopkirk is town. also Grey is town but hopefully you all knew that. Hopkirk's town because i say so and also because of the bad read on us. and also because Twin Trap.
if Elli gets us lynched i'm not counting it because hydra. haha.
~Chara

I have a hard time believing town chara ever posts this fwiw

Im home a bit later to read what i missed

[Toranaga]

but is the meta to really just grab each other's cocks and stroke until the deadline rolls around?

ya, would you care to join?

Given the age of Toranaga that's a good way to end up doing 25 to life.

I wont Tell

[Toranaga]

I have a hard time believing town chara ever posts this fwiw

Im home a bit later to read what i missed

i didn't realize you had such a comprehensive meta of me, Toranaga! :>

Grey mentioned what i forgot. Ausuka scum = Hopkirk town.

also i'm treating Elli's scumread as a guilty (because it is) so let's find some buddies.

I don't. just find it incredibly superficial posting when it's unlike you.

[Toranaga]

Grey: not outing it yet, i need to read. waste of a day to just speedlynch Elli's scumread when i could play the game.

pedit: beeboy, take a nap. :<

Wine improves with age. Scum reads are not wine. By the time you get this one out, the entire town is going to be too annoyed with you to ever sheep you. Then even if you are right, the best you're going to get is to whine about how right you were in the postgame (whine doesn't improve with age, unlike its homonym).

I recommend stopping this, because I have some respect for both Elli's reads and Elli's theater, and if I'm getting bored of it then other people... well, they probably are just ignoring you. This is a game of segmenting your attention to use it on the people who matter, and most people seem to have written you off because of this little sideshow.

I am for once agreeing with something grey wrote

[Toranaga]

I'm hungover :/ someone time travel and tell me it's a bad idea. Can't sleep.

Grey, thoughts on Tor?

Pedit Chara why are you ignoring me D:

what is that? you want -greyice- of all people to give thoughts on me? that's interesting.

I think you're wolfing for a while now btw.

[Toranaga]

chara has to give the illusion of centipede seeming town before they drop their guilty on town and have to deal with the aftermath tomorrow.
(;

it feels that way. I'm just bothered with the stupid theatrics and wish I didn't sign up for this at all. elli can either play mafia or get lynched as far as I'm concerned, but I know it won't be a thing this gameday.

[Toranaga]

look, if you're fed up with Elli's theatrics, don't lecture

me

about it.

I'm a non participant. I don't care about any reads until they're in the thread, I don't care about reveals, I'll try to lynch whoever I scumread regardless. elli is trolling and you're kinda wolfy, so I don't mind getting you lynched instead of tchill or whatever.

growing a SR on cheeky the more she posts. the only towny thing she did was literal AtE. she is pretending to be solving so far.

[Toranaga]

-_-' not in the mood Tor.

me neither. I'm not gonna push you.

[Toranaga]

you're scummy though

whatever, I'm out

[Toranaga]

given the nature of Thor's push, I would say it's pretty NAI.

Why is that?

As they say, NAI. You pissed him off, he got pissed off. That's genuine. It's also not alignment indicative.

You don't think that him getting legit pissed about me mocking the entire concept of his town game as performed here is alignment indicative?
Why would he get legit pissed if he was scum?

1) I wish you'd respond to the entire post, this chopping posts to bits and responding to a small part makes me not want to talk to you
2) Yes, responding angrily to mockery is NAI. It should not be hard to figure out why.

1. The rest of your post was you saying you generically scum read the slot (clearly I do also - so...what, was I supposed to just say that?)and then saying what you would do if you had a Vig on the slot (which was really just a way of restating that you generically scum read him). What conversation/feedback were you looking for on those points?

2. You don't think the nature of what is being mocked can effect the honesty of the reply? I know when people say 'Thor you're better than this' when I'm playing scum my internal response is 'yeah, but I'm scum' not 'damn you for questioning my town game!' Now, in public I try to react the same - but that's the point, yeah? One is honest and one is flim flam.

@Thor, Why was Gork Town for that post?

Which post?

I'm putting him in town for an ongoing series of posts that feel both honest and town minded.

@Toranaga - I asked you a question about Srceenplay, would still like you to field it.

@Srceenplay - I asked you to showcase the deep scumhunting you do. Please help me learn your scumhunting skills by explaining what you see on Quick a bit, I'm stuck on the surface.

reading screenplay hurts my senses though :/ IDK what to make of him. but I will read and let you know what I think... in a bit.

[Toranaga]

i dont really understand why youd keep escalating this by referring to him as a potato still.
probably better to just let this go and focus on other things?

it is better to let it go and take the high road, sure. easier said than done when the guy keeps insulting me at every opportunity, no? he is a potato player after all. I'm not even lying...

Two to tango

What do you make of Srceenplay's recent back and forth with me?
He's dancing a beautifully hard to read line between looking like dense town or looking like scum trying to cover his BS with aggro, and I'm having a hard time parsing it.
I'm currently leaning him getting offended as a town tell - do you see the meat there I'm seeing, or do you disagree and think he's bamboozling me?

thor, is this the question? I need to read that interaction before answering anyway.

[Toranaga]

as shocking as it may seem, I actually play mafia to have fun.

anyway something came up so I'm gonna be busy or whatever. tchau

[Toranaga]

hey thanks for the game and sorry for subbing out

gg village