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Post Post #43 (isolation #0) » Fri Mar 30, 2018 12:38 am

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VOTE: flavor leaf
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Post Post #49 (isolation #1) » Fri Mar 30, 2018 3:03 am

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In post 45, RedFlavor wrote:Would mafia claim something like this this early?
Looks like they had a cleaner gambit in mind than what they attempted
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Post Post #106 (isolation #2) » Fri Mar 30, 2018 8:12 am

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In post 58, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 49, Flubbernugget wrote:
In post 45, RedFlavor wrote:Would mafia claim something like this this early?
Looks like they had a cleaner gambit in mind than what they attempted
How is this alignment indicative?
Can we stop normalizing town making shitty fakeclaim gambits please

If you really have to take this angle then you can consider flavor a policy lynch best by either the play or the actual role
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Post Post #107 (isolation #3) » Fri Mar 30, 2018 8:13 am

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Ew, he retracted the claim in a hood too
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Post Post #109 (isolation #4) » Fri Mar 30, 2018 8:14 am

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Darn
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Post Post #111 (isolation #5) » Fri Mar 30, 2018 8:15 am

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Yawn
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Post Post #195 (isolation #6) » Fri Mar 30, 2018 1:31 pm

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In post 133, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:TIAM is probably town :lol:
Not if there's daytalk
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Post Post #196 (isolation #7) » Fri Mar 30, 2018 1:32 pm

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Actually, the context of the game I'm thinking about probabaly isn't applicable here
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Post Post #198 (isolation #8) » Fri Mar 30, 2018 1:34 pm

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In post 147, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Nah I’m not feeling Boon.

I think y’all just annoyed because you can’t trust him until he’s been copped by confirmed town.
?? We can't trust him then either
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Post Post #201 (isolation #9) » Fri Mar 30, 2018 1:37 pm

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Hey sexy come here often
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Post Post #202 (isolation #10) » Fri Mar 30, 2018 1:37 pm

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Happy now?
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Post Post #203 (isolation #11) » Fri Mar 30, 2018 1:38 pm

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Anyway, everyone with the exception of Firebringer and flavor seems town atm.

Maaaaybe Gamma scum too? Didn't actually check is links to see what he's going on about
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Post Post #223 (isolation #12) » Fri Mar 30, 2018 3:47 pm

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In post 210, Pine wrote:@Firebringer: Yeah. Town committee = Pine, Gamma, Fire, Flubber.

Inferno and TIAM are likely Town too, but not up to par.

I feel like I'm forgetting someone though.
Why fire?
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Post Post #238 (isolation #13) » Fri Mar 30, 2018 6:02 pm

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Arch

Reads?
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Post Post #240 (isolation #14) » Fri Mar 30, 2018 6:31 pm

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You're perfectly capable of trolling as either alignment
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Post Post #340 (isolation #15) » Sun Apr 01, 2018 8:39 am

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In post 297, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 203, Flubbernugget wrote:Anyway, everyone with the exception of Firebringer and flavor seems town atm.

Maaaaybe Gamma scum too? Didn't actually check is links to see what he's going on about
No one did :lol:
He's not doing much and has enough experience as scum to be able to do a post by post analysis imo. That's the majority of what he's done. My biggest reservation is that Gamma's always been kinda lynchbait-y
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Post Post #343 (isolation #16) » Sun Apr 01, 2018 8:48 am

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In post 341, Gamma Emerald wrote:I wanted to do links because I didn't want a massive quote wall, but no one pays attention to links it seems. Unfortunately as I said a wall will also make people ignore my thoughts, and multiple individual quotes will come off as spam. So I guess my verdict on the new playstyle is that there is no good way to engage people with my thoughts.
Try summaries
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Post Post #611 (isolation #17) » Mon Apr 02, 2018 4:16 pm

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BAHAHAHAHAHAHA fuck I'm so far behind now
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Post Post #628 (isolation #18) » Tue Apr 03, 2018 9:37 am

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I have like 30 mins to catch up
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Post Post #631 (isolation #19) » Tue Apr 03, 2018 9:53 am

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Read up to page 22

I didn't like fire's push on nsg at first but nsg's reaction to it is wasted breath at best.

Gamma yaking with tiam is wasted breath at best

I know that flavor leaf on his main can fill a thread as scum. The inattentiveness here is nai at best.

Everyone citing single games for meta is making garbage reads.
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Post Post #633 (isolation #20) » Tue Apr 03, 2018 10:31 am

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Post Post #675 (isolation #21) » Wed Apr 04, 2018 3:17 pm

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That's a really strange post considering you have a very high volume of trolling right now.

I think pine's initial town read on you came when you were solely trolling, too.
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Post Post #842 (isolation #22) » Thu Apr 05, 2018 11:40 am

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Woah, did we just ignore someone fakelclaim
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Post Post #843 (isolation #23) » Thu Apr 05, 2018 11:45 am

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In post 730, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Quickly skimmed the playerlists of all of the games you’ve played on site. This is your first time playing with UCV..
In post 731, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:You’re full of shit :lol

VOTE: profii
Nah, it was this

Errrr, Uzi, where did this come from?
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Post Post #862 (isolation #24) » Thu Apr 05, 2018 3:44 pm

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Hmmm,

Nsg/Mulch buddies?
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Post Post #863 (isolation #25) » Thu Apr 05, 2018 3:45 pm

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I don't like this whole "I can read Mulch pretty well and think they're scum but they're pocketing me" ordeal
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Post Post #864 (isolation #26) » Thu Apr 05, 2018 3:48 pm

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In post 845, Pine wrote:
In post 842, Flubbernugget wrote:Woah, did we just ignore someone fakelclaim
It was sarcastic, implausible, and immediately retracted. Don't get hung up on dumb stuff.
So, interestingly enough, this was a thing that happened, but I was misrembering LUV's callout.

I still don't understand what facilitated profii slot being scum based on their experience with UCV
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Post Post #890 (isolation #27) » Fri Apr 06, 2018 1:35 am

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In post 868, Pine wrote:
In post 864, Flubbernugget wrote:
In post 845, Pine wrote:
In post 842, Flubbernugget wrote:Woah, did we just ignore someone fakelclaim
It was sarcastic, implausible, and immediately retracted. Don't get hung up on dumb stuff.
So, interestingly enough, this was a thing that happened, but I was misrembering LUV's callout.

I still don't understand what facilitated profii slot being scum based on their experience with UCV
Profii was scummy before the UCV vote, for reasons already stated. A vanity vote on UCV was a lazy excuse to look active and productive.
This doesn't really answer my question. Though yes, profii is worth lynching
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Post Post #891 (isolation #28) » Fri Apr 06, 2018 1:36 am

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VOTE: profiii
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Post Post #892 (isolation #29) » Fri Apr 06, 2018 1:37 am

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In post 887, Flavor Leaf wrote:I was very pro everything Mulch, as I always am proMulch, but I don’t like his ScumFire talk.
What do you think of nsg's interactions with Mulch?
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Post Post #893 (isolation #30) » Fri Apr 06, 2018 1:38 am

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Are we saying the whole ascetic Miller thing was a troll claim now?
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Post Post #1044 (isolation #31) » Sat Apr 07, 2018 1:46 am

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Profiii is a good wagon. It has one lurker on it. I'm not normalizing posting several times over the course of a day, and a lot of players have activity drops over the weekend.

The only scum thing going for tiam is that profiii was a cw, but the wagons in this game as a whole seem to be really messy.

Tiam tends to lurk more as scum in my experience. I wouldn't expect him to 1v1 well as scum either, though I'm open to counterexamples here.
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Post Post #1045 (isolation #32) » Sat Apr 07, 2018 1:46 am

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In post 1043, Archwing wrote:
In post 1042, Quick wrote:And I am caught up.

Can all die:
Flavor
tiam
fire
profii
Nos
Beefster
Im curious why profii made this list. Care to explain?
Why is profiii town?
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Post Post #1052 (isolation #33) » Sat Apr 07, 2018 4:36 am

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In post 1049, Egg wrote:Can we stop calling people's reads bad on Day 1 with zero flips?
I'm not sure what pain point you're feeling here
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Post Post #1156 (isolation #34) » Sun Apr 08, 2018 4:28 am

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In post 1104, Nosferatu wrote:you say this like its completely impossible for him to have signed up to replace in, not looked at playerlist, confirmed his role pm, checked the neighborhood, see like 40 flavor posts and then go "aw fuck"

y'all really think he was totally aware that a blacklisted player of his was in a game, he chose to then replace into it, made comments on policy lynching said blacklisted player, and then decided "y'know what, fuck it" and left the game...for what? Because he willingly replaced into a game with someone he obviously has a vehement distaste for?

Are you guys on shrooms or something?
I think this depends on whether or not flavor is lying about what happened in the hood. I think the hood is 3p so he probably isn't.
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Post Post #1159 (isolation #35) » Sun Apr 08, 2018 6:02 am

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Unless I'm misunderstanding something, fl is scum reading quick partly for being aware of his presence in the neighborhood
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Post Post #1193 (isolation #36) » Sun Apr 08, 2018 10:02 am

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In post 1150, RedFlavor wrote:
In post 893, Flubbernugget wrote:Are we saying the whole ascetic Miller thing was a troll claim now?
What is your read on FL?
The claim is still scummy, but I don't think scum makes a push on quick like this
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Post Post #1233 (isolation #37) » Sun Apr 08, 2018 3:37 pm

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In post 1204, Egg wrote:
In post 1202, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1155, Egg wrote:the whole policy thing sounds like something you say to scumbuddies, not neighbors.
talk with me about this, do you have an idea of what he said?
Boon mentioned quick saying something along the lines of "hey guys I'm gonna vote boon on policy" and then making a case on boon being scum. It sounds like his motive was just to get boon lynched and continue with the game once he's gone. As scum, that's a way to get rid of a player you don't want to play with and further your win condition at the same time (unless boon is scum too but...). As town, it's just a pointlessly piss poor attitude. But the whole thing about mentioning it as policy in the neighborhood and then trying to make a real case just doesn't fit as being genuine in any way.
See, what's really weird about this whole thing is that I know Quick posts a lot in the self improvement threads in discussion. No shitposts or victim narratives. I can't see any of the plausible actions up to his replace out fitting that kind of approach to the game.
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Post Post #1234 (isolation #38) » Sun Apr 08, 2018 3:39 pm

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The only thing I'm rock solid on between flavor leaf and quick is that they're not scum together.
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Post Post #1299 (isolation #39) » Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:30 am

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In post 1260, Ausuka wrote:
In post 1048, Quick wrote:Yeah, I'd rather not.

@MOD, I am replacing out


Didn't know you were in this game when I joined.
so people were pushing Quick as scum for this? Really?
I'm glad I saw this quoted. I seem to have been misremembering the wording.
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Post Post #1302 (isolation #40) » Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:37 am

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In post 1296, Ausuka wrote:Right now I don't really need to be sold on quick!scum. I don't believe he replaced out because of wincon things- that mindset makes no sense anyway, because if you replace out, you can't win. The reason I think quick was scum is because when I played with LQ, he had a very distinctive, obvtown way of playing involving lots of self-meta, and it was clear to me and many other people in that game that he was town. He also said his scum game was very bad. Fast forward to this game, and when I ISO him now he's not showing any sign of this behaviour, and a lot of people call him out as scummy, which is consistent with his towngame being obvious town and his scumgame being below average. That's why I would vote quick if it came down to it. However, I don't think I'm anywhere near the time where Quick replaces in on my catchup, so for a good read on him you'll have to wait until then.

pedit: I like both profii and theta for town quite a bit.
With all due respect to him, Quick has had some bad games as town.
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Post Post #1303 (isolation #41) » Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:44 am

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There might be some merit to this inferno wagon
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Post Post #1314 (isolation #42) » Mon Apr 09, 2018 12:29 pm

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Would you be so kind as to remind me of your scum reads, inferno?
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Post Post #1316 (isolation #43) » Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:33 pm

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Yeah I get where egg is coming from now
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Post Post #1317 (isolation #44) » Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:34 pm

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VOTE: inferno
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Post Post #1373 (isolation #45) » Tue Apr 10, 2018 12:29 am

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VOTE: tiam

I prefer this to the quick slot.
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Post Post #1408 (isolation #46) » Tue Apr 10, 2018 11:05 am

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Or that they're scum floundering over how to handle the lynch
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Post Post #1411 (isolation #47) » Tue Apr 10, 2018 11:08 am

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This game would have to be bastard as fuck for that to happen dude
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Post Post #1431 (isolation #48) » Tue Apr 10, 2018 3:54 pm

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In post 1414, Theta Alpine wrote:you are now lock scum in my eyes for this reaction to a little bit of pressure
Being off major wagons is a good way to coast. That's about as rational a reaction as you can get from a mafia post. Talk to me more about how you're seeing it as a scum reaction to pressure?
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Post Post #1528 (isolation #49) » Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:59 pm

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VOTE: mordin
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Post Post #1759 (isolation #50) » Sun Apr 15, 2018 2:55 am

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Prodge
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Post Post #1816 (isolation #51) » Mon Apr 16, 2018 12:49 am

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Hi, I will slowly be catching up today.

Did not suspect quick scum at all. They were at least from my PoV pretty easy to defend, and with the lynch occurring so close to deadline I don't suspect bussing.

Flavor leaf kill is odd. Yes, he got one scum, but he's been low effort/activity otherwise. I think he would have been easy to case and coast on at least till late game. That would originally suggest to me that either scum is newb scum afraid of a player that just got their buddy lynched, or our reads as a town are collectively bad. The latter clearly isn't the case, so I'm thinking there's a lot of new/awkward blood in the scum pool.
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Post Post #1817 (isolation #52) » Mon Apr 16, 2018 12:51 am

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In post 1814, Gamma Emerald wrote:okay so looking at the wagons I feel like we should be looking at (beef/redflavor/flubb/inferno) for scum on 2iam
inferno isn't as strong of a suspicion overall but he's in the middle of all of those so he get's thrown in
I don't know about the other players, but if you a little vca/ISO sleuthing, you'll probably notice I had no drive behind the tiam wagon.
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Post Post #1818 (isolation #53) » Mon Apr 16, 2018 12:53 am

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In post 1583, Firebringer wrote:Northsidegal is Town >.>
This is a strange thing to open the new day with. Can you talk to me about what made you feel this way right after the thread opened?
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Post Post #1821 (isolation #54) » Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:29 am

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In post 1684, Pine wrote:
In post 1682, TwoInAMillion wrote:Then I am not precluding you as a SK.
That's fair, and entirely within your power.

FWIW, there's absolutely no way I soft like this, or claim unprovoked, as a SK. There's zero advantage in it, as it practically guarantees I don't go to LYLO. I'm fine with that.
I haven't seen an sk in a while. Can you refresh me on how this works?
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Post Post #1822 (isolation #55) » Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:30 am

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In post 1819, Archwing wrote:Flubber, fire hardaimed cop
Noted. I assume no Cc's either, then.
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Post Post #1823 (isolation #56) » Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:32 am

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I am caught up to just after the vig claim and the middle of the town bloc being discussed.
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Post Post #1844 (isolation #57) » Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:58 am

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In post 1725, Inferno390 wrote:VOTE: TIAM

Because he said he would actually be good this phase, but as far as I can see, he's providing nothing to town. Again.
Mulch is town.
I'm treating Gamma as confrimed town. By his play the last day, I find scum unlikely. Treat us as masons.
Who else was Leaf scumreading?
Do you know what a counterwagon is?
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Post Post #1845 (isolation #58) » Mon Apr 16, 2018 12:06 pm

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Nictis's iso list is incredibly bizarre
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Post Post #1846 (isolation #59) » Mon Apr 16, 2018 12:22 pm

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In post 1824, Inferno390 wrote: 2) While I'm cool with the given plan for today I do want to do some serious associating today and see if it's possible to grab scum through how they interacted with our N1 scumkill (I forget the name and I'm too busy to look it up this second) as well as Quick. I think that Beef and Profii are both reasonable, I just don't want to jump the gun.
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Will be very interested in what comes out of this.
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Post Post #1847 (isolation #60) » Mon Apr 16, 2018 12:24 pm

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VOTE: profiii
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Post Post #1852 (isolation #61) » Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:06 pm

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I have a profii, nictis, inferno scum team.
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Post Post #1853 (isolation #62) » Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:07 pm

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Makes perfect sense with my nka too.

The only thing I haven't accounted for is scum in lurkers.
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Post Post #1898 (isolation #63) » Tue Apr 17, 2018 12:36 am

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In post 1855, Pine wrote:
In post 1852, Flubbernugget wrote:I have a profii, nictis, inferno scum team.
One out of three. Not bad.

/sarcasm
Would you like to talk about your town reads on those two?
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Post Post #1899 (isolation #64) » Tue Apr 17, 2018 12:40 am

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In post 1854, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1852, Flubbernugget wrote:I have a profii, nictis, inferno scum team.
meeeeh explain nictis to me cos I recall townreading him
is what's bothering me. There's no rhyme or reason as to who they ISO'd, and the fact that they can make a read on texcat while not being able to say anything on higher impact players like egg just shows an inability to fake transparency to me. I definitely like my other two scum reads more, but I am still not a fan of nictis's play.
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Post Post #1928 (isolation #65) » Tue Apr 17, 2018 9:22 am

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In post 1906, Pine wrote:
In post 1898, Flubbernugget wrote:
In post 1855, Pine wrote:
In post 1852, Flubbernugget wrote:I have a profii, nictis, inferno scum team.
One out of three. Not bad.

/sarcasm
Would you like to talk about your town reads on those two?
Inferno is cleared due to the neighborhood. The only way Inferno is scum is a TTSS 'hood, which is very low-order probability.

I don't have a TR on Nictis, though I'd call them newb!Town if I had to guess. The problem is your lack of evidence and the existence of people far more likely scum. Like Beefster, who just a few hours ago refused to move his vote off the hardclaimed Cop.
Okay. I forgot about the hood thing.

s/inferno/beefster
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Post Post #1936 (isolation #66) » Tue Apr 17, 2018 12:14 pm

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In post 1930, Nictis wrote:I very clearly said that I was doing an ISO on all the people Pine put in italics.
Fair enough. I've been admittedly skimming to keep up. Do you agree with the rest of pine's reads from his list?
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Post Post #1940 (isolation #67) » Tue Apr 17, 2018 1:09 pm

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the "s" in s/inferno/beefster is shorthand for "substitute"
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Post Post #1942 (isolation #68) » Tue Apr 17, 2018 1:21 pm

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substitute inferno with beefster
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Post Post #1943 (isolation #69) » Tue Apr 17, 2018 1:22 pm

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as in beefster, profii, and nictis(now with some ????s)
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Post Post #1946 (isolation #70) » Tue Apr 17, 2018 1:55 pm

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I misread their ISO post the first time, but even on second reread it bothers me. He's not going in order (Red has partial completion but is at the bottom of the list. Why do you lie about something like this?), and picking your set of nullish stuff as opposed to his own still seems bizarre. They're also splitting hairs on my use of the word "play"
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Post Post #1948 (isolation #71) » Tue Apr 17, 2018 1:58 pm

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It lines up with what he quoted in too.
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Post Post #1949 (isolation #72) » Tue Apr 17, 2018 2:00 pm

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I honestly shouldn't have locked on a scum read as hard as I did with my initial suspicions of the post because being so meticulous over a single post is usually a bad way to form reads.
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Post Post #1958 (isolation #73) » Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:04 am

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... What?
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Post Post #2086 (isolation #74) » Sat Apr 21, 2018 11:53 pm

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VOTE: tex
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