This feels like you are trying too hard.In post 10, Quick wrote:I have some feels on some of the players who have posted so far, but keeping those gut reads to myself for the time being.
VOTE: Fast
This feels like you are trying too hard.In post 10, Quick wrote:I have some feels on some of the players who have posted so far, but keeping those gut reads to myself for the time being.
I disagree with this reasoning. Personally, I'd argue that your first few months of playing mafia is when your meta changes the most (other than times when you actively set out to change it).In post 67, Quick wrote:I have my reasons. Actually, it's pretty simple. Your first game on site you played a "reasonable" game. Here, you are all over the map and don't have a care in the world. I don't think you can change your Scum meta that quickly, hence, you are Town.In post 66, Korina wrote:WutIn post 57, Quick wrote:Korina is Town, just thought I would share that with you all.
Your game was the only one I played :3In post 89, the worst wrote:Nice to see you devle, did you enjoy marathon weekend?
In post 94, Oxy wrote:@mutantdevle Where did Quick claim scum?
I think RVS jokes are neither anti-town nor unhelpful, they are just some fun at the start of the game. However, scum claim jokes ARE scummy and unhelpful.In post 102, ceejayvinoya wrote:I don't think RVS jokes are antitown. Just incredibly unhelpful.In post 98, Oxy wrote:e.g., The newb!town in your game attempts slayer's gambit. Yes, he is playing in an anti-town fashion. That doesn't change his alignment from newb!town to newb!scum.
I disagree. There was definitely some serious posts before then so don't be too quick to discard them.In post 109, Korina wrote:RVS ended at Post 88.
Care to elaborate on this?In post 114, the worst wrote:Can we all take a moment to talk about how great Sando is?! First townrea
Is this serious? I'm not sure if I'm blatantly missing your theory here but I ISO'd you and this is the best I could find:In post 117, Fumuki wrote:I need to ask again why no one is voting ceejayvinoya based on my theory....
Like...it would be the best lynching option...
I'm assuming this is you still joking because trying to suggest that someone is scum because of a username they chose before they got their role card is just ridiculous.In post 42, Fumuki wrote:Username specifically made to no one vote him.
Game solved guys, proceed to lynching.
VOTE: ceejayvinoya
In a side note, Happy Birthday Alonzo.
I personally do not like this abbreviation. Especially when I'm in games withIn post 125, Mathdino wrote:MD = mutantdevle
This is what I'm kinda thinking, but on the other hand, I feel like scum are going to try and push them for an easy lynch. I guess it's up to the tracker-vig to decide whether they want the responsibility of handling policy kills. If there is only 1 kill tonight, then I guess it's our job to handle Fumuki tomorrow. If we are going to policy lynch him, it should be day 2. If we let him live after that, then we have to accept that he'll be a LYLO liability. So for now, I don't care for sorting him (unless he actually starts game solving rather than joking with every post).In post 126, Oxy wrote:There is probably a limit on how anti-town a member of town can play before it's simply +ev to lynch them and end the distractions.
What makes you think I'm scum?In post 131, the worst wrote:In other news....devle why did you roll scum?! I like you! So unfair.
In post 120, mutantdevle wrote:Care to elaborate on this?In post 114, the worst wrote:Can we all take a moment to talk about how great Sando is?! First townrea
Nice miss repping here.In post 136, Fumuki wrote:So imagine that you're scum, and there's people talking about policy lynch because everyone loves to talk about policy lynching scum claims just as I like shitposting.
If you play scum trying to be neutral/get in the crowd, you probably would not be bold to vote them, however, would try to imply that maybe it's not such a bad thing to lynch them. Then afterwards Iconeum gives me the third vote he suddenly starts casting a little shade around those that joked with scumclaims and even puts a list with people that "scumclaimed", saying that although don't want to policy lynch me now, a policy lynch tomorrow seems like a good option...
Not only that, all his other posts are talking about how that's scummy and even tries to reply a obvious shitpost with a serious analyze...
Caught scum. Proceed to lynching/annihilation.
Ahh fair enough. That definitely makes more sense for the way that you're playing.In post 138, Quick wrote:That was not a Scum claim by me. That was a reaction test where I wanted to see how Fumuki would react because I actually felt like they very well could have been posting that in the wrong chat and that it wasn't just a joke. I wanted to see how Fumuki would take my comment because as seen in this game, it could have been taken two different ways, and this is intended. Fumiki took it in the way that I was NOT joking. This to me tells me they are riddled with a guilty conscience because they didn't just brush it off.
Where is that post from? It seems to be quoted from a PT since I don't have access to view it
Wait, so you're voting Quick because he seemed to imply scum have day chat when they don't have day chat? Surely not knowing that scum doesn't have day chat makes him town instead of scum - unless you're suggesting that he was pretending not to know that scum doesn't have day chat (hence the awkward tone)?In post 146, Korina wrote:Few reasons:
1) It seems like you were implying that you knew mafia had daychat, which isn’t true, but it still feels like a really awkward post tome.
2) The bolded part makes no sense in the context of mafia having no daychat, which brings up more questions, (namely the meaning behing the push)
3) The entire post just feels off to me.
So... your OMGUS vote is serious?In post 162, pinturicchio wrote:He's the third vote on me. Statistically, the third vote is always scumIn post 161, ceejayvinoya wrote:Hell yeaaaah. Naked vote + omgus = lots of fun
I mean, y'all both realise that was a semi-serious comment on Quick's serious comment all during RVS right? Hence why I voted 'Fast' instead of 'Quick'.In post 168, the worst wrote:In post 87, Sando wrote:I'm putting scum in these two for now, don't like either side of this equation. This reads as weak an approval seeking from Quick and a bit of an opportunistic pickup from mutant, followed by a vote elsewhere.In post 15, mutantdevle wrote:This feels like you are trying too hard.In post 10, Quick wrote:I have some feels on some of the players who have posted so far, but keeping those gut reads to myself for the time being.
VOTE: Fast
I normally like townhunting, but Quick seems to be doing it on fairly dubious grounds and hasn't backed it up reasonably when questioned. Weak townhunting is an easy place for scum to hide and I dun like it.
Yay end of RVS.
VOTE: Quick
@devleSando and I hiveminded this vibe. D1 is horse poop but this is a good D1 townread for me.
Who are your biggest townreads?
Yeah, but I was only on the plate for a mislynch halfway through day 1 to the end of it. This game has literally been 7 pages and I feel like RVS went on for longer than usual this game. I personally think expecting me to be obv town within my first few posts after witnessing my ability to look incredibly obv town is an unfair way to try and read me.In post 169, the worst wrote:Last time we played you were obvtown as shit to me WHILE being mislynched. Like you took stances and explained yourself well as I recall it, the haters just rebutted beautifully and town were of inconsistent quality
Here it feels like youre trying to avoid taking stances or explain yourself. IIOA vibe from substanceposts. If this is just my hungover self being a mess please show me where I'm wrong.
I can assure you that long wordy walls that may or may not have as much substance to match their length is DEFINITELY not AI for me.In post 178, Quick wrote:This posts strikes me as a kind of post Scum make. It focuses too much on things not really pertaining to the game and is very wordy without really saying much.
Wait, are you agreeing that wordy posts from me are scummy? I know I was only alive for 1 day in the game we played and I wasn't invested in it properly but I could have sworn I posted a few walls, especially back then.In post 179, the worst wrote:pedit: YES QUICK EXACTLY
Correct, I haven't played with Fumuki before. Looking at his join date I wouldn't have thought anyone has (unless you count on going games). It always takes me a while to adjust to troll posters. Eg. I didn't realise Not_Mafia was a shit poster until halfway through the first game I played with him.In post 181, Sando wrote:mutant's reaction is not that of someone who's played with Fumuki before
As someone who tends to get a fair few tone and gut reads (which usually turn out to be more accurate than my normal reads) I can relate to your frustration here. But when you have gut reads from a single post in RVS you surely should be able to understand why people would see that as scummy right? Personally, I don't think it's scummy because I'm capable of it myself but that doesn't make it townie either. I think it would be better for people to treat this kind of thing as NAI.In post 183, Quick wrote:Your reason for voting me is pretty weak. You're trying to say that it's Scummy of me that I didn't want to explain my TRs on people when I said I had some gut TRs on 2/3 of the first posters (Korina being one of them that developed into a stronger read) That I explicitly said I didn't want to explain.In post 180, Sando wrote:Not strong, and it's basically because I think the 100% opposite of what Quick just wrote. That post from mutant struck me as townie as hell, the reason I'm not stronger townreading is due to previous tryhard in RVS stage as mentioned when I voted Quick.In post 179, the worst wrote:How strong is your devle townread?
1. You do have a lot of shit posting actually. Your first non shitpost was 113 and your only mostly non shitpost after that was when you first voted for me. Since then, you've definately been more serious about the game, but at that point in time, you were almost entirely shitposting.In post 184, Fumuki wrote:Devil, your post was kinda big so I'll answer paragraph by paragraph instead of quotting it all, what you said will be put inside " ".
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Well...now that I have explained my behavior (believe you or not...) I'll ask for a break of posting so much nonsense...
It was fun at first but after a while it lost the magic...
If you keep posting pictures of your puppy all game then I'm going to policy not lynch you. That puppy is just way too cute.In post 188, Sando wrote:I would say yes (Border Collie):In post 182, the worst wrote:Also omg new puppy<3 what breed? Is it adorable?
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the worst, how can you point to this kind of content from me and say that's what scum me is and then try and say my 149 is scummy?In post 192, the worst wrote:Re mutant bleeding heart viewtopic.php?p=9886200&user_select%5B%5D=30609#p9886200
I dont consider myself good at meta reading but ...... the vibes man. This is a good place to start fmpov
Just because I'm not explicitly stating them doesn't mean I don't have them. If you read into the stuff I've been saying you can see that I've been implying certain reads on people.In post 194, the worst wrote:Mutant..... Isn't having reads.
I'm not ignoring him, I am just yet to engage him. I fully support policy lynching any troll posters that we have this game in the same way I described Fumuki (not so sure that applies to Fumuki anymore but it definitely applies to N_M and Alonso). For Open 711, a little context is required. I had just finished a game with Not_Mafia where we were in LYLO with a SK and he voted me at the very start of the day before I even had a chance to see the day had started causing the SK to hammer the very next post. It was literally as short as a day could get. So, I was very much up for policy lynching someone who is so dangerous at LYLO. Since then, I've played more games with N_M and found him genuinely enjoyable to play with/watch play, I've also seen other troll posters who can make a game more fun even if more frustrating when trying to read them. I still agree with policy lynching any and all troll players, but since we may have a vig, I consider that to be their job. Vigs shouldn't be shooting their own scum reads unless the majority of town also consider them scummy (aka, someone we're probably going to lynch anyway). If no one fits that category, they should be shooting whoever is the least help to the town - most of the time that's troll posters. People were talking about policy lynching and I decided to chip in on when would be the best time to do so. Besides, it was probably never healthy of me to be so trigger happy on policy lynching anyway.In post 195, Sando wrote:@Mutant - You spent all of the linked game, Open 711 scumreading or trying to policy lynch Not_Mafia, and he was in fact scum in that game. Why are you completely ignoring him here AND calling for a separate policy lynch?
Bolded: exactly. I only started talking about it because other people were and my comments were basically "no, don't policy lynch day 1 when there is a chance there is a vig in the game, a role whose purpose is literally to deal with these players".In post 210, Fumuki wrote:I'm not certain but trolls are quite more common now and devilonly said anything to me only after the third vote from Iconeum and a public consensus of discussing a policy lynch.And I don't think he's pissed...he just is trying to defend himself because he recognizes that it was a serious and valid accusation.
Just to answer this directly: no. I didn't intend to come across as so aggressive. I don't really have any frustration with Fumuki, my whole posts about that was mainly to convey when and why we should be policy lynching IF we're going to do it at all.
In response to this, see everything I said about Fukumi except replace "Fukumi" with "Not_Mafia". Either we let the vig deal with him or we policy lynch him tomorrow if we want to use our lynches for policy at all. I think it would be unwise to policy lynch day 1 when there is potentially a vig in the game.In post 219, ceejayvinoya wrote:Well I guess we need to kick him out of the game early then. Regardless of his alignment, since it will probably help us?In post 218, the worst wrote:He's an unashamed troll and he's beautiful.
He is literally unreadable, literally naked lolhammers at will as either alignment, etc., etc. I'm also jealous because I'm not as cool as him so yeah
Ceejay you need to contribute too.
pedit: POT KETTLE BUDDY
I know this question wasn't directed at me but, personally, I think he is.In post 272, Oxy wrote:What do you think about the duckling not really game solving?
Can you explain why you town lean Alonzo despite him posting essentially entirely shitposts? I can hazard a guess at your reasoning but I want to see if that's what you see.In post 267, Oxy wrote:Alonzo - no change
Hmm, could you explain why you'd town read him (Korina)? I currently have him as a slight scum lean but I don't see him any higher than a null tbh.In post 291, Quick wrote:I would put this a lot higher, but you do you.
Bolded: umm... what happened to you saying you didn't think I was pissed off and that I was calm earlier? How do you go from thinking that to suddenly agreeing that what I said about Fumuki? Not sure if I missed anything but I don't see that progression anywhere.In post 313, Quick wrote:I think, in light of seeing Fumuki's trolly nature,Mutantdevle looks bad here because the reaction looks kinda fake. Why does it look fake? Because mutants response is OTT and over dramatized.I barely saw that post by Fumuki the first time around... it must have gone through my brain and been filtered as "not important" so why mutant is doing this "ohr meh gosh, I can'tz believe this!" is kinda silly. So either mutant is the type that misinterprets things frequently or they are just Scum. Should be apparent soon enough.
Whilst I don't scum read it myself I do agree that these votes are bad; ESPECIALLY in a game where we might have a vig.In post 315, Iconeum wrote:For some reason I always end up scumreading these early votes on NM. It's such an easy place to start because in every game NM is considered a 'good' D1 lynch
A little floppy in some areas and slightly confuzzled in others. I do have a few reads I'm confident by my own standards on though.In post 336, the worst wrote:How are your TRs post catchup btw?
Well, I don't understand why anyone wouldn't be town reading him tbh. He is actively game solving, laying out his thought process and generally doing everything a townie needs to do. I find him very agreeable and I can follow his logic in how he's reaching different conclusions. The only complaint I could possibly have about him is that he's a little distant in that he's not getting too involved but still present.In post 352, the worst wrote:I'd like some more detail on this, if you wouldn't mind.
otherwise your reads make sense
Don't judge how long ago this was by how long ago the game ended. I died day 1 which is a fairly long time.In post 362, Sando wrote:Yeah...but the ling of ducks linked me to a very recent game where your third post was calling for a PL on N_M...where he ended up being scum. "I've learnt he's fun to play with" given it was Open 711 I believe, ie not very long ago, doesn't really strike me as a rational position.
To my mind, if I've legit run a PL against someone day 1, and been mislynched myself (I believe this is true?) day one, and then it turned out that yes that guy was scum and won the game...I'm not turning up to the next game with that person all fine and dandy and "I've learnt they're a really fun player".
Is there a game in between that has caused this change of heart? Cause I'm just putting it out there, I don't buy that someone mislynched as town D1 over their PL target, who turned out to be scum AND won the game, is going to rationally come to that change of heart.
I'm inclined to agree. I think scum would be more aware of what their posting and hence avoid posting when drunk. But idk if Alonso is that kind of person hence whey they're still null for me. As far as I'm concerned, at the moment, they are one of the trolls.In post 363, Oxy wrote:It's a light town read based on him getting drunk and memeing and having fun in his game on his birthday. There are no statistics about the correlation between getting drunk, getting older, and having fun in one's mafia game and ones alignment, but I have a hunch it comes from town more often than scum. This is probably my softest read, but I see no reason for it to change over a period of time in which alonzo hasn't posted.
But I have 6000 words to write :(In post 455, the worst wrote:LOL devle get some sleep!
Just course work in general. I have to evaluate all my ideas and test pieces and I've done A LOT of ideas and test pieces so that's A LOT of writing to go with it. I'm expecting at least 6000 words from myself though I'll probably end up writing more.In post 458, the worst wrote:On mafia or like an essay?In post 457, mutantdevle wrote:But I have 6000 words to writeIn post 455, the worst wrote:LOL devle get some sleep!
Care to elaborate these reasons are you considering them self-evident?In post 498, the worst wrote:Anyway the last few pages also point very very strongly towards you being town for a couple of reasons imo
I like this post mainly because I mostly agree with it. I wouldn't say for certain that all 3 scum are amongst the lurkers (due to natural probability) but it's certainly looking as though there is a high concentration there.In post 500, ceejayvinoya wrote:We need to see more of our lurker friends. Everyone here right now strikes me as townie and us sniping at each other is baaad.