Gunner Mafia [Endgame]

[northsidegal]

Votecount 1.23

Tchill13(4)

~ Toranaga(125), Ausuka(58), Quick(195), Beeboy(64)

Srceenplay(2)

~ Brigand Vvulf(21), Brian Skies(47)

Quick(2)

~ Srceenplay(23), GreyICE(24)

Centipede Syndrome(2)

~ Tchill13(3), Bins(28)

Brian Skies(2)

~ Spiffeh(32), Creature(90)

Thor665(1)

~ Hopkirk(78)

Hopkirk(1)

~ Thor665(13)

GreyICE(1)

~ CheekyTeeky(55)

Brigand Vvulf(1)

~ Gorkington(56)

Bins(1)

~ MariaR(25)


Not Voting (6): Town Gunner(0), Mafia Gunner(0), Panopticon(49), The Worst(2), Centipede Syndrome(78), Nero Cain(53)

With 21 alive it takes 11 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2018-04-25 12:53:00)

[Thor665]

Is this toward me?

Not at all, but I'll field your answers too.

1: Idk. I’m 10-ish pages behind.
2: I did ask for their lynch. It’s not my style to make elaborate cases. I can’t do that. I see weird Smurf that pings me and I go vote it.
3: Not really. Brian pinged me earlier but I don’t remember why. I would have to iso.

So you're basically running off a ping you can't even describe when directly asked.

Dude, I am a strong advocate of 1 sentence cases, and even in my world this is weaksauce.
What do you think you're doing to help town wincon?
I'm pretty sure the reality answer is: nothing.
I can easily describe how your play aids scum wincon.
Planning to adjust this, or do you consider your style awesome as is?

Ok.
If people are town reading quick, what I’m I doing wrong? What is I don’t see?

Kind of funny in relation to your other post I'm quoting here

My quick (pun intended) answer would be this - what is he doing that's advancing scum wincon exactly?
The "scum case" on him basically sums up as 'he's posting gak to bog town down" (and a simple playstyle check will tell you this is NAI) and "he's dropping intentional fake town slips" to which my rebuttal is - he's not actually trying to bank on them in any meaningful way, and, frankly, I kinda doubt scum him would bother - can you show me a game where he did that as scum? I bet the answer is no.

That's the case on him.
The case for him being town is he's here, he's active, he's rocking the boat, and, within the context of how he plays, he appears to be trying to gamesolve.
Which is more than I can say for easily six other players.
So EVEN IF you want to call him scum - the real question is why aren't those six other lurksacks opportunistic voters MORE scummy to you?

And that's a decent reason to scumread you, frankly.

have you read or are you aware of inventions mafia

I'll preface this with "I'm shockingly impressed Quick remembered a game from 2016"
But, as far as I'm aware I didn't play in Invention Mafia, and I basically never read a game that I don't play in.
So I would go with "no".

Now that we've wasted time - would you like to just fast forward to the meta point you're about to make? Save me extra time and provide a relevant link to a post/ISO in question when you do. Because that will be my immediate follow up question if you present meta. Thanks!

I think every vote on Quick is because people are tired of him generating almost 8 pages of "content" in a game that's less than two days old. I know between him and Torantaga I'm damn close to replacing out because this Smurf is dreadful to read, and I'm coming close to supporting a policy lynch.

It is blatantly obviously their playstyle.
If this isn't sabre rattling you should replace out now - they're obviously not going to change and the game will take 2-3 game days to start slowing and you know it.
If it's sabre rattling, I don't get the point.

[Creature]

Le me not voting Thor

[Creature]

TSTBS doesn't apply for GreyICE

[Panopticon]

I'mma be real, I'm not even sure who's in this game.
Quick, who are you?

-ObserVed

Designated Town Idiot.

~The Observer

[CheekyTeeky]

It’d be funny if the anti-claiming mech is that Mulch told us there was an anti-claiming mech. The knowledge there’s an anti-claiming mech in of itself makes claiming dangerous.

I don't understand why you're speculating about this?

[CheekyTeeky]

this convo leads nowhere

I wasn't doing a balancing act, that's all I argued. you think creature farting itt is enough for a townread. f i n e. my lynch target is tchill anyway.

I wasn't trying to cast shade man. Trying to convince you who is Town is all.

Regardless of Tor's alignment...he knows. I'm just willfully antagonizing him on his bad reads. Not all that interested in the tchill or Screenplay scum reads he's pushing either.

Nero what are your thoughts on Thor pushing the Srceenplay read onto Tor?

[Thor665]

Admittedly self centric, but It's painfully obvious there's a potential wagon hanging over me right now and I get the feeling Thor's waiting for it.

I'm waiting for a wagon that had very minor support and that I've been slowly pushing all the while softly gaining it town support by making people notice that you're kinda scummy?
Yeah, that's true.
Pretty sure it's called good wagon building play.

His early townreads (Torn/Quick/BB) don't add anything since they're common.
His defence of Quick was after the quick wagon played its course.
His scum leans on me/Screen don't add anything.

What did you expect/want my reads to add outside of me stating my reads?

-only gives reads on people Torn asked about and adds utterly nothing to any of the reads.

Are you complaining that I answered a question about reads, or complaining that I didn't volunteer more?
The former is silly.
The latter is only slightly less silly, because you could always ask me for reads yourself if you think it's an issue and *then* call me out if I don't give them.

-Slight reasoning given on Screen but doesn't actually move forward to vote screen. Could have potentially moved things forward but hung on me (non wagon that could bloom) instead for unclear reasons.

What do you think the reasons are, since you're implying it's scummy?

1080- An iffy reasoning to not vote Brian that doesn't really say anything about

Brian

You're right, it said something about *Thor*.

I'll admit I don't know his town meta, but it feels like he's added nothing and he's waiting for something. I don't really say any original thought/effort/proactiveness there.

I find the idea I haven't advanced original thoughts to be laughable and easily disproved - that said, presuming we accept this as true - why is my brand of lack of originality different and more questionable than other brands?
Because I feel like the legit answer is 'Because Thor is voting me" which is...silly.

[CheekyTeeky]

Thor do you scum read Hopkirk? 1157 feels like you're talking to town.

[Toranaga]

here for a bit

kinda drunk

ready to leave for party

[Thor665]

Thor do you scum read Hopkirk? 1157 feels like you're talking to town.

I'm spending the entire post mocking him and denigrating his case on me.
If that's a town/town conversation to you then it's a town/town conversation - it is what it is and I said what I said.
I do scum read him - I'm voting him don't'cha know.

[Toranaga]

Thor do you scum read Hopkirk? 1157 feels like you're talking to town.

I'm spending the entire post mocking him and denigrating his case on me.
If that's a town/town conversation to you then it's a town/town conversation - it is what it is and I said what I said.
I do scum read him - I'm voting him don't'cha know.

is there any reason you are not voting tchill right now? check his ISO please

[Srceenplay]

@thor, you’re full of shit.

[CheekyTeeky]

Thor do you scum read Hopkirk? 1157 feels like you're talking to town.

I'm spending the entire post mocking him and denigrating his case on me.
If that's a town/town conversation to you then it's a town/town conversation - it is what it is and I said what I said.
I do scum read him - I'm voting him don't'cha know.

Why are you phrasing his actions as silly instead of scummy? Clearly you don't think silly and scummy are the same thing looking at your srceenplay and Quick reads.

[Toranaga]

this convo leads nowhere

I wasn't doing a balancing act, that's all I argued. you think creature farting itt is enough for a townread. f i n e. my lynch target is tchill anyway.

I wasn't trying to cast shade man. Trying to convince you who is Town is all.

Regardless of Tor's alignment...he knows. I'm just willfully antagonizing him on his bad reads. Not all that interested in the tchill or Screenplay scum reads he's pushing either.

you're antagonizing my read with senseless reasoning. how does that work? how does mischaracterizing what I said so you can punch that strawman really hard make any sense, when you're not even doing it because you think I might be scum? are you making it personal or something? cause honestly I'm posting this to you and I don't even remember your nickname unless I check it, I just know it's jesus with american flag cause it's a stupid as fuck avatar to have. so just let it go. you're irrelevant to me, I'm irrelevant to you. go play mafia instead of bugging me with your petty shit please.

[Toranaga]

Thor do you scum read Hopkirk? 1157 feels like you're talking to town.

I'm spending the entire post mocking him and denigrating his case on me.
If that's a town/town conversation to you then it's a town/town conversation - it is what it is and I said what I said.
I do scum read him - I'm voting him don't'cha know.

Why are you phrasing his actions as silly instead of scummy? Clearly you don't think silly and scummy are the same thing looking at your srceenplay and Quick reads.

ISO tchill please

look this whole gameday is about finding one scum and creating a POE

we have a towncore. let's lynch wolf and move on.

[Toranaga]

jsyk with all my terrible reads, every single top wagon other than quick was basically toranaga build

I'm not toothing my own horn or anything, but if my reads were that bad they wouldn't resonate with other intelligent players

[Panopticon]

Thor do you scum read Hopkirk? 1157 feels like you're talking to town.

I'm spending the entire post mocking him and denigrating his case on me.
If that's a town/town conversation to you then it's a town/town conversation - it is what it is and I said what I said.
I do scum read him - I'm voting him don't'cha know.

Why are you phrasing his actions as silly instead of scummy? Clearly you don't think silly and scummy are the same thing looking at your srceenplay and Quick reads.

ISO tchill please

look this whole gameday is about finding one scum and creating a POE

we have a towncore. let's lynch wolf and move on.

Is he still on 3 posts? Will look again shortly

~The Observer

[CheekyTeeky]

Lmfao Tor...he has 3 posts wtf? Why are you pushing this?

[Panopticon]

VOTE: Hopkirk

Thor's never been wrong.

-ObserVed

[Toranaga]

Lmfao Tor...he has 3 posts wtf? Why are you pushing this?

3 wolf posts, my dear. his centi vote is absolutely senseless. his 3rd post is the scummiest thing I ever read this game. he cannot possibly be read up enough to have a centipede wolfread, and he still votes taht. probably bussing. his 3rd post is some throwaway comment on wagons, instead of looking into what players are saying. it's bad wolfing and requires death. why wouldn't I push it? I'm more satisfied with that lynch than centipede and screenplay lynches, so that's where I'm at.

[Toranaga]

VOTE: Hopkirk

Thor's never been wrong.

-ObserVed

except he has and he can also be a wolf, so gl with your blind sheeping.

ISO tchill.

[Panopticon]

For what reason do you want to convince me differently, Toranaga?

-ObserVed

[Toranaga]

Lmfao Tor...he has 3 posts wtf? Why are you pushing this?

also if you know me

and if you learned anything from that hydra game

you know lynching lowposters is something I very much enjoy d1 and also has a higher chance of catching wolf than otherwise. I literally couldn't care less that tchill didn't post enough. just strenghtens my wolfread on him.

[Toranaga]

For what reason do you want to convince me differently, Toranaga?

-ObserVed

I want a higher scum equity player getting lynched.