Rocky Horror Picture Show - players suck, game over

[Ms Columbo]

Hi, all! It's been a while since I played a game.

I have played games with Almost50, Lifthrasil, Gamma Emerald and Creature.

[Ms Columbo]

wouldn't a single wagon give us better odds on either getting a potential double recruit or scaring the cults away from recruiting that player in the first place? like, if there's one wagon then a cult will only choose to recruit there if they think that the other cult hasn't already done so, but if there's two then from the perspective of one cult there's always the chance that the other cult recruited the other wagon, making recruiting on-wagon a safer decision.

It seems to me like a better strategy for getting immunizations on non-recruited players is to build a wagon on one person to l-1 and then somehow (either one person or we as a group) come to a decision that we either hammer that person or we switch to someone else on a flashwagon.

I agree with this. I woke up with a cold this morning so my head is fogged, but I think it would be riskier for a CL to try to recruit from a single wagon. Anyone have the background to verify this?

Having two cult leaders seems to be the key that prevents a CL from always recruiting the likely 'immunized' player before the hammer.

[Ms Columbo]

I'm in favor of voting for someone who is considered a strong player. The CL's are forced to decide if it's worth the gamble this early in the game to attempt to recruit said player.

[Ms Columbo]

There's a light....over at the Frankenstein place.
...
There's a light, light in the darkness of everybody's life.

(That song has been going through my head since I started reading the thread)

[Ms Columbo]

My cold took me out of commission the past 36 hours. Starting to feel human again...

I can get behind an Almost vote:
VOTE: Almost50

[Ms Columbo]

Anyone still up?

[Ms Columbo]

Anyone still up?

Yeah, hey christi

So what do you think, should we have one wagon, multiple wagons, does it matter?

[Ms Columbo]

I think my mutant may make for a good wagon, maybe! That is unless there's strong opposition to him in particular.

You have a mutant, cool!

Can we hug him and pet him and call him George?

[Ms Columbo]

More seriously, I wish I had something useful to offer. Hopefully, we'll have more to go on once Play resumes.

[Ms Columbo]

VOTE: Vecna

Was this intended as a traditional 'lynch him' vote or was it a the game specified vote to make him immune?

[Ms Columbo]

VOTE: Vecna

Was this intended as a traditional 'lynch him' vote or was it a the game specified vote to make him immune?

This is all you have to contribute?

Where have you been this whole time?

Nope, that's not all, it's just were I started. I typically cannot play until late evenings.

If we trust Cerebus, it make sense to vote for the person he jails. I can buy what he has presented so far, but I've never played with him (or most of you) before.

Do you think Cerebus is neutral/town or do you think he is part of the cult?

[Ms Columbo]

I honestly don't know at this point. I'd like to believe he's neutral though.

That's risky then. I'm not sure at all. My guess is town/town (between all the Almost/Cerebus/Jay stuff)...but ehhh....

Given Inferno's D1 (Play1) play, I would be surprised if he was a CL. He could have been recruited, that's the only risky part I see to his current wagon. I'm okay voting him:


VOTE: Inferno390

[Ms Columbo]

I don't know why any of you chumps are assuming any level of normalcy with this game.

Yeah, 'cus when I think 'drealmerz game', I really think 'totally normal mechanics, straight from the wiki!'

This bears repeating...

[Ms Columbo]

Let's see where this goes...

VOTE: Porkens

[Ms Columbo]

I'm a madman, doing the Time Warp!

hmmm...that's not quite the next line....has the cult gotten to you, Lift?

Drinking those moments when...

[Ms Columbo]

@Gamma: Well, I know Virgin = Vanilla = no abilities (Remember: Vanilla could also be goon/ww in other games, so it's a basic role with no abilities and could be on any alignment).

What I thought was only virgins can be recruited (as per the first announcement). Now I'm no longer sure because NSG managed to plant the seeds of doubt in my mind about the identity of the announcer, and thus the motive behind their announcements.

First of all, we KNOW that virgins are not the only recruitables.

The sample PM's clearly lay out that the transylvanians can be recruited, and the mod later clarified that BOTH those pm's are used in this game.

The only possible exception is if virgin is being used to refer to the transylvanians as well.

My guess is that Virgin is a role (which are all recruitable) but also a state of a role (little v) that determines whether that role is recruitable.
Somewhere it was stated that ITT's are recruitable, I that to mean they are all virgins.

I agree with what Gamma speculated....Brad and Janet both start the movie as virgins and I expect those roles in this game to start as virgins. That would explain Varsoon's involvement in the threesome reducing the number of virgins. So my guess is that PRs may or may not start the game as virgins and may or may not be recruitable.

Did that make sense?

I'm taking the Voice as useful moderator info (otherwise, we basically have nothing).

[Ms Columbo]

I don’t like the idea of limiting ourselves like that, but I do like the idea of getting down to business.

I can protect someone from being recruited but they won’t be able to do anything if they have an ability. Just FYI.
I’m
Just going to claim the other part of my role since I don’t have to worry about being killed by scum. I’m a pack of wild dogs. I’m addition to big shots, I can also chase someone, which means they cannot use actions and actions cannot be taken against them. That also means that they cannot be immunized while they are being chased. So it’s wise not to vote that person for immunizations. It’s also limited #. I have yet to use any of those but do plan to use one in the next phase and will announce.

You seem familiar with the show, do you have an idea how a pack of wild dogs fits with this theme? Except perhaps metaphorically?

Do you think cult do not have the ability to kill?

[Ms Columbo]

VOTE: SnarkySnowman

I'm wondering if we won't see actions resolved until Play is underway some amount of time. Like the Voice we heard sometime during the last Play phase. <shrug>

[Ms Columbo]

You know what's funny?
It's such an obvious cult gambit to recruit the least active person, then push for a failed immunize vote on 'em
You're all a bunch of chumps for falling for it.

Who do you think is/are the cult pushing it?

[Ms Columbo]

Doesn't matter, does it?

Guess it depends on why you are voting for him as well.

If you're right, of course it does. If not, not so much.

[Ms Columbo]

I don't think he believes his hype, it's just fearmongering. Let's do it.

I'm in favor of almost anything now that might somehow progress the game state.

I still think it's a decent vote.

[Ms Columbo]

Something happened.

Does anyone have thoughts on how to proceed once Play resumes? Or is that better left until then?

[Ms Columbo]

(Jeopardy theme)

[Ms Columbo]

Skillful way....

You beat the other girls to the bride’s bouquet!

The river was deep, but I swam it!

Janet

[Ms Columbo]

Janet gets with everyone in the movie. Idk if I’d see that as virgin for this game.

My guess was that since Brad and Janet both start the movie as virgins and that is one of the plots of the movie, I wouldn't be surprised if they started the game as virgins.

At least that explains the message about Varsoon, if the Voice is believable.

[Ms Columbo]

My guess is that Lift is probably telling the truth. I'd be OK voting him, but Venmar seems more likely to gain traction currently...

VOTE: Venmar

[Ms Columbo]

Why are we voting Venmar though? I thought he was a good cult recruit choice.

I went back and ISO'd Venmar. If he was recruited, compared to early in the game he has basically checked out. I read it as disinterest/frustration. I don't get the sense he would do that as cult. Thoughts?

Happy Birthday, mutant!

[Ms Columbo]

/gets out red lipstick (from my PURSE, okay!?!?) ...

But do you have matching heels?

[Ms Columbo]

if i'm remembering correctly, chickadee submitted her shot before jay submitted the roleblock and thus her shot should have a) gone through and b) would not have appeared to jay as a successful roleblock (if i'm understanding the order of events and the way that works out correctly).

with that in mind, either chickadee was lying, someone else stopped her shot by targeting her, or there was something about the person she shot that would have prevented it.

It was a bit confusing at the time, but this is the way I remember it.

[Ms Columbo]

So, if I'm tracking, there are now 5 cult members.

1 team of 2 and 1 team of 3
or
1 team of 1 and 1 team of 4

[Ms Columbo]

Meanwhile, everything between failed.

Something must have happened with all the deflowering you are doing.

[Ms Columbo]

VOTE: Boonskiies

[Ms Columbo]

I think the key is that only virgins can be recruited. Drealmer stated that somewhere. I still hold to the assumption that whether or not you start the game a virgin, is not based on whether or not you had a role. I suspect that some roles cannot be recruited. It seems to fit with the flavor and would help maintain balance.

[Ms Columbo]

I think the key is that only virgins can be recruited. Drealmer stated that somewhere. I still hold to the assumption that whether or not you start the game a virgin, is not based on whether or not you had a role. I suspect that some roles cannot be recruited. It seems to fit with the flavor and would help maintain balance.

Is making a statement to refute the idea that Chickadee could be a part of a cult whilst not explicitly or directly defending Chickadee. It's like she wants to defend her but doesn't want to form associations.

We had discussions earlier about what is classified as a 'virgin' in the context of only virgins are able to be recruited, such a statement as this would have been fine back then. But the only reason to say something like this now would be to defend Chickadee. If Ms Columbo had specified that she doesn't think Chickadee would be recruitable because of this statement then I wouldn't have a problem with it. But, she has tried to hide her motive here. She expects us to come to the conclusion on our own that Chickadee isn't recruitable. The only reason she'd have to hide her motive of wanting to defend Chickadee would be because she doesn't want to form associations with her. Sure, this could be overly cautious town, but it's scummy at best and a fellow cult member of Chickadee has perfect motivation to phrase a defence like this.

If there are any more killing roles out there that don't want to risk shooting a town PR, perhaps try Ms Columbo first? If they flip cult, I think that'd be a huge implication that Chickadee is cult too.

Ummm...what I posted had nothing to do with Chickadee, you read that all yourself. It was about Brad and Janet, they both make sense to be virgins. Assuming Janet was recruited (that's how I read the reveal), she had to be a virgin. Brad apparently was deflowered according to the Voice. I assumed Varsoon was no longer recruitable after the Voice message. I assume a role like Magenta is not recruitable, as she is obviously not a virgin. It fits with the flavor and I don't think anything has contradicted that. Non-human roles...not necessarily obvious, but my guess is only humans are virgins.

[Ms Columbo]

shooting a town PR is as good as a guilty

True! An if she does that we tell her that she's been naughty and to go to her room.

It might be more of a punishment to make her eat the supper.

[Ms Columbo]

That true's, I don't think we know for sure what the voice represents, but none the less...

What does it mean to be a 'third' cult leader?

Was 'hound' used figuratively?

Quack? Quack?

Love a duck!

[Ms Columbo]

I'd only ever kissed before...

[Ms Columbo]

Didn't Vecna say he was already immune?

[Ms Columbo]

Not sure what we are suppose to do now. Voting seems to be our only option to progress the game:

VOTE: Venmar

[Ms Columbo]

Lifthrasil, you are as neutral as I am potato.

You're a potato? But there is no potato in RHPS! So 'potato' is unlikely to be your role and you can't be a potato in real life, since potatos can't write. So, your statement is false!

Vecna already claimed to be lips.

You don't say? You mean he DIDN'T want to claim potato with that line? But... but, what else could he POSSIBLY have meant?

He's saying he's not a potato so you're not a neutral
I mean you made the point without getting the thing he was pointing to...

Lift is being sarcastic...he get's it.

Hell, I'm tempted to claim CL (which I'm not) just to see if we can somehow progress the game.

Who has the most votes? I think it's Venmar, so I'm leaving my vote there.

If no one is interesting in voting...how long do we sit here?

I'm not sure what the mod had in mind for this game, but I can't imagine this is it.

[Ms Columbo]

It's just a jump to left...

[Ms Columbo]

I'm in a mixed state of wanting the game to be other or something happening that makes it fun.

[Ms Columbo]

For the record, I don't care who you vote for because I'm convinced that the success or failure of any faction will be decided by chickadees shots, not this vote. This vote is just the way to force the resolution of the shot.

So we should just fucking do it and get this shit over with.

I hope this is right.

VOTE: Nancy Drew

[Ms Columbo]

My guess, this is town (neutral) Lift. My only hesitation, I don't know how town stays interested.

VOTE: Lifthrasil

[Ms Columbo]

I think that's enough to hammer.

If this post is true 6 players have been recruited (if I counted phases right) for a total of 8 cult (1 dead). Which means there are 16 neutrals (5 dead). So there are 11 living neutrals and 7 living cult.

The largest a single cult could be is 7, but that seems highly unlikely. That would mean boon was a cult leader with no recruits when he died. The existing balance is more likely 4/3 or 5/2.

Does that sound right?

I don't know if that helps, I like numbers.

[Ms Columbo]

[Ms Columbo]

So, if there is no more immunization votes possible; what happens now?

I don't think we know that and I'm not sure if we'll ever know.

We are waiting for drealmer to move the game into Pause and resolve actions.

[Ms Columbo]

This is the game that does not end. Yes, it goes on and on my friend... (sing along)

VOTE: Vaxkiller

[Ms Columbo]

My character is Columbia.

Wasn't Nancy Drew already immunized?

Vote Vecna

[Ms Columbo]

VOTE: TGP

[Ms Columbo]

Can someone point me to spectator chat?

[Ms Columbo]

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Thanks!