Mini 2004 - Birth of the Necromancer - [DERP! - MOD LOSES]

[brassherald]

I'll vote when I get some answers. I'm actually here in the first 10 pages for a change to ask some questions.

[the worst]

brass are we finally town together?

[brassherald]

brass are we finally town together?

I sure hope so.

[Eddie Cane]

eevee zito brass

solved before we hit double digits take that america

[Tywin Lannister]

This game has already become annoying AF. I'll just preface with that. Moving on... a couple things I've noticed:

1. Nancy freaking out over RVS votes is suspect, yet reads both ways as just being new to mafia, especially on MS. New town or new scum, idk yet, but their entire post count has been defensive AtE, all about THEM (their meta, their emotional instability, claiming to want to self hammer, an appeal to the mod, appeals to other players, regret over joining, etc), and with zero constructive content. Now I understand the emotion part, because I too can get pissed off when railroaded early, but I also assume that scrum are on my wagon when it happens. Even if im THAT emotionally compromised, I still scum hunt as best as I can. I attack back to try to secure future scum lynches after I flip, rather than just whining about it. It at least gives some sort of town benefit, assuming I am town when it happens. ND did not do this until basically coached into it by others. It pings of scum. The fact that the wagon disappeared so quickly is also a ping, yet the reasoning is legitimate.

What's the reason? Well...

2.

Tbh i really dislike turbos. But sometimes it could benefit town to prevent multiple PRs being outed D1.
Idk their alignment so I'm not gonna choose a side here yet. They just seem overly defensive.

This post pings me to high heaven. Standing on the fence, while subtly both approving and disapproving of the ND lynch is scummy. Regardless of what ND flips, this post is maybe the scummiest in the game so far imo. I hate fence sitters for multiple reasons, but mostly because its scum play 101.

3. Both wagons on ND and Evee look too easy, but I'd i have to pick, Evee would get my vote. ND screams lynchbait VI if town, and the weakest link if scum. I'm fine with the wagon moving, but Evee gaining traction from nearly everyone worries me too. That said, the players who pushed and/or wanted to keep pushing ND (like papa zito) are ignoring the evee wagon. Why? Even if they don't see any scum tells from them, pushing for a random wagon instead isn't just counterproductive, but also subtly helps take pressure off an unknown player. ND escaped from pressure due to people just randomly deciding to accept the AtE defense as VI play, and players like Papa Zito complained about that, but now Evee gives nothing during their wagon, and Papa Zito's cool with that?

As it stands, the only real town read I have is 'the worst,' mostly due to the IDGAF stance. Papa Zito is my top scum atm, since ND may just be new town, and their lynch gives no info beyond wifom about Evee. Evee gaining so much traction seems justified to me, although a fast wagon on D1 gives me pause. Papa Zito though... Zito has barely gotten attention beyond a few players (ND/kokichi), and partially it's due to his vote on kokichi.

Imo, Papa Zito complaining about ND wagon losing traction (he wants more pressure info?), yet sidestepping the evee wagon in favor of linking kokichi as a partner is scummy.

Ok, I've rambled enough. Typing on a phone sucks.

VOTE: Papa Zito

Question time:

Nancy Drew: Why were you freaking out and giving up so quickly during the rvs stage? Did you assume you'd be quicklynched before half the game has posted? What were you thinking, and also, why weren't you accusing anyone on your wagon as scum? If you were quicklynched, do you think it would be all town doing so?

Evee: Why were you fence sitting on ND, yet subtly pushing for a PL on them? Who do you actually scum read?

Papa Zito: Why are you deflecting from the Evee wagon while complaining about the ND wagon going off the rails? Do you TR Evee? SR ND? You must right, since you've linked kokichi as their partner on D1. What's your evidence?

[Tywin Lannister]

eevee zito brass

solved before we hit double digits take that america

This might be right actually.

[brassherald]

VOTE: Papa Zito

If I'm not going to get answers this is a good vote to have.

[Wisdom]

Is eeved not a good vote to have, brass?

[Wisdom]

eevee*

[Wisdom]

Tywin why vote zito over eevee?

[brassherald]

Is eeved not a good vote to have, brass?

I would not be against lynching her either. Both are pretty scummy, right now, I prefer Papa.

[Beefster]

Official Vote Count 1-2

EeveeLution Army

(5): Eddie Cane, Wisdom, the worst, Kokichi Oma, Nancy Drew 39

(L-2)

Papa Zito

(2): Tywin Lannister, brassherald

Eddie Cane

(1): Srceenplay

Nancy Drew 39

(1): ActionDan

Kokichi Oma

(1): Papa Zito

Not Voting

(3): MechaGoomba, Sugar Cain, EeveeLution Army

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2018-05-02 18:30:00)

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[Tywin Lannister]

Tywin why vote zito over eevee?

Mostly because everyone joined on Evee too quickly, so there's either slight chance its a scum push to counter ND wagon, or it's possible low-hanging fruit that can be easier to justify than a possible PL. There's a chance anyway, and most fast wagons on D1 tend to be on town. Zito being hypocritical about NDs wagon losing steam, but ignoring the evee wagon (calling it a 'shiney' distraction) also pings me.

Honestly, I SR both of them, but Zito might give more answers.

[Tywin Lannister]

Is eeved not a good vote to have, brass?

I would not be against lynching her either. Both are pretty scummy, right now, I prefer Papa.

Why though? Piggybacking off my reasoning? Or do you see something more that I'm overlooking?

[Sugar Cain]

Ego

[Tywin Lannister]

UNVOTE: Papa Zito

for now.



VOTE: Eevee

Why'd you switch to Eevee before getting any answers out of Zito, since you saw something there you didnt like? What's your justification for the Eevee vote, unless its just mindless bandwagining?

You can't demand anwers out of Zito for his vote reasoning, vote him for not giving any, then switch to Eevoo without a reason yourself.

Why are you voting Eevoo?

Why did you switch from Zito?

You both half-assed the entire exchange between you. Nothing productive happened, yet you both pretended to be trying. It almost looks like scum partner distancing, since Zito did it after he knew your wagon was dead, and you solo-voted him for about one hour real-time before switching.

[Kokichi Oma]

Eevee papa and someone else is where I'm at

[Kokichi Oma]

Eddie and tywin I like for town so far

[Nancy Drew 39]

This game has already become annoying AF. I'll just preface with that. Moving on... a couple things I've noticed:

1. Nancy freaking out over RVS votes is suspect, yet reads both ways as just being new to mafia, especially on MS. New town or new scum, idk yet, but their entire post count has been defensive AtE, all about THEM (their meta, their emotional instability, claiming to want to self hammer, an appeal to the mod, appeals to other players, regret over joining, etc), and with zero constructive content. Now I understand the emotion part, because I too can get pissed off when railroaded early, but I also assume that scrum are on my wagon when it happens. Even if im THAT emotionally compromised, I still scum hunt as best as I can. I attack back to try to secure future scum lynches after I flip, rather than just whining about it. It at least gives some sort of town benefit, assuming I am town when it happens. ND did not do this until basically coached into it by others. It pings of scum. The fact that the wagon disappeared so quickly is also a ping, yet the reasoning is legitimate.

What's the reason? Well...

2.

Tbh i really dislike turbos. But sometimes it could benefit town to prevent multiple PRs being outed D1.
Idk their alignment so I'm not gonna choose a side here yet. They just seem overly defensive.

This post pings me to high heaven. Standing on the fence, while subtly both approving and disapproving of the ND lynch is scummy. Regardless of what ND flips, this post is maybe the scummiest in the game so far imo. I hate fence sitters for multiple reasons, but mostly because its scum play 101.

3. Both wagons on ND and Evee look too easy, but I'd i have to pick, Evee would get my vote. ND screams lynchbait VI if town, and the weakest link if scum. I'm fine with the wagon moving, but Evee gaining traction from nearly everyone worries me too. That said, the players who pushed and/or wanted to keep pushing ND (like papa zito) are ignoring the evee wagon. Why? Even if they don't see any scum tells from them, pushing for a random wagon instead isn't just counterproductive, but also subtly helps take pressure off an unknown player. ND escaped from pressure due to people just randomly deciding to accept the AtE defense as VI play, and players like Papa Zito complained about that, but now Evee gives nothing during their wagon, and Papa Zito's cool with that?

As it stands, the only real town read I have is 'the worst,' mostly due to the IDGAF stance. Papa Zito is my top scum atm, since ND may just be new town, and their lynch gives no info beyond wifom about Evee. Evee gaining so much traction seems justified to me, although a fast wagon on D1 gives me pause. Papa Zito though... Zito has barely gotten attention beyond a few players (ND/kokichi), and partially it's due to his vote on kokichi.

Imo, Papa Zito complaining about ND wagon losing traction (he wants more pressure info?), yet sidestepping the evee wagon in favor of linking kokichi as a partner is scummy.

Ok, I've rambled enough. Typing on a phone sucks.

VOTE: Papa Zito

Question time:

Nancy Drew: Why were you freaking out and giving up so quickly during the rvs stage? Did you assume you'd be quicklynched before half the game has posted? What were you thinking, and also, why weren't you accusing anyone on your wagon as scum? If you were quicklynched, do you think it would be all town doing so?

Evee: Why were you fence sitting on ND, yet subtly pushing for a PL on them? Who do you actually scum read?

Papa Zito: Why are you deflecting from the Evee wagon while complaining about the ND wagon going off the rails? Do you TR Evee? SR ND? You must right, since you've linked kokichi as their partner on D1. What's your evidence?

I think it came as a shock to me that I could be maj voted so quickly in such a short period of time on d1. In the games I’ve played, majs aren’ t generally allowed until d2. I was so close to getting majed and it seemed att that few people were concerned about a mislynch; so I felt that nothing I could say, would make any difference.

I didn’t initially accuse anyone initially, because I wanted to carefully read people’s posts, before I formed a read on them. No, I def. do not think it would have been all town quicklynching me. Obv. pushing for a quicklynch is generally something that benefits scum more than town, because town doesn’t like to mislynch. I already discussed my reactions in my post to the worst and there really isn’t anything more I can say on the matter. If your concern is that this sort of thing will be ongoing from me; it won’t.

With regards to the current wagon; I would also lilke to get Zito’s answers to yours and other people’s questions, before we hammer on Eevee. For right now, I ‘m fine with my vote but depending on his reaction to the questions he’s received, esp. about the whole left-field partner shading re: kokichi; I could switch it back to him. I thought it strange that he linked us without any logical reason whatsoever - save that k was his latest scumspect.

[Nancy Drew 39]

UNVOTE: Papa Zito

for now.



VOTE: Eevee

Why'd you switch to Eevee before getting any answers out of Zito, since you saw something there you didnt like? What's your justification for the Eevee vote, unless its just mindless bandwagining?

You can't demand anwers out of Zito for his vote reasoning, vote him for not giving any, then switch to Eevoo without a reason yourself.

Why are you voting Eevoo?

Why did you switch from Zito?

You both half-assed the entire exchange between you. Nothing productive happened, yet you both pretended to be trying. It almost looks like scum partner distancing, since Zito did it after he knew your wagon was dead, and you solo-voted him for about one hour real-time before switching.

As I already explained in my last post; I’m open to swtching back to Zito, depending on his reactions to people’s questions.

I did give a reason, that post re: turbos and PRs was weird. I also want to get Eevee to explain it for us. I’m not “pretending” anything. I’ve been nothing but genuine from the start - too genuine and it almost got me quicklynched.

[EeveeLution Army]

I just don't like the day ending too quickly. But i didn't particularly mind them dying, i hadn't scumread her only a lean based on her overreaction

[Nancy Drew 39]

I just don't like the day ending too quickly. But i didn't particularly mind them dying, i hadn't scumread her only a lean based on her overreaction

You sound like you can’t make up your mind here. This is one of the main reasons for your wagon . If you scumlean someone; you are in fact sr them; even if your read on them is weak. It comes accross as if you are almost contradicting yourself.

Why can’t you just say instead: “I’m not a fan of majs but I’m okay with lynches. I have a mild scumlean on X but it’s not strong enough for me to feel comfortable voting them.” See the difference?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Tbh i really dislike turbos. But sometimes it could benefit town to prevent multiple PRs being outed D1.
Idk their alignment so I'm not gonna choose a side here yet. They just seem overly defensive.

This however is the main post, that people are having difficulty with. What does this post even signify? No villa knows anyone else’s alignment; only scum do; we are all guessing. And what do turbos and PRs have do do with each other. This isn’t a turbo and how did PRs even come into play here? Like I have no clue what you’re even talking about here. As others have already pointed out; not “choosing a side” is fence sitting. Refer to my previous post but I’m not even going to attempt to translate this one.

[Papa Zito]

Why aren’t you answering their question?

Because I don't feel it benefits anyone at this time.

Since you're as green as grass I'll indulge you a bit. In one of my newbie games, my IC Thesp made this post:

I strongly subscribe to a limited information theory of mafia in all directions - that is, there is a significant degree of information that everyone ought to keep secret and/or is trying to keep secret. (I think it's important to assess the motivations for keeping such things undisclosed, but it is not always as important to know for certain what people are keeping secret, aside from their alignments.) To that end, I will not explain my actions all the time, nor do I think I should. I do think I owe the town explanations from time to time, and if I expect to convince anyone, I absolutely ought to give more compelling reasons for people to follow along with me.

It is worth noting that I find this approach to be more useful in finding scum, and simultaneously I tend to draw more people thinking I look scummy when I employ it.

This tenet has become core to my play, particularly early in games. I don't think whatever benefits the town will gain from my being transparent outweigh the information I get.

Okay but Zito is still a very attractive option.

hey bb

Seriously, dude? An attempt at a quickhammer this early?

Oh brass, you sweet summer child.

Papa Zito: Why are you deflecting from the Evee wagon while complaining about the ND wagon going off the rails?

Yes or no: Does the success or failure of the Eevee wagon solely depend on my presence?

[Papa Zito]

Eddie and tywin I like for town so far

What's so town about Eddie?