Mini Normal 2005: Fun With Decimals(game over)

[Ruby Red]

fast nights

VOTE: kokichi oma

[Ruby Red]

VOTE: kokichi

good vote

Damn, now that Maria has made it an actual wagon, I'm too scared to switch my vote for I fear people will think I'm aligned with Kokichi..

wolfy?

VOTE: UnaBombaH

bad vote

I'll show all how town I am for I'm brave!

VOTE: Ruby Red for no read or at least no understand what read if really read and not just quick see what say in terms of words..

pardon me?

It's been a while since I last played, and I feel like there's a joke here that I don't get.

towny

[Ruby Red]

this is me not moving my vote

[Ruby Red]

n-not like I know una's town or anything like that but I t-tr him b-b-baka

what

I wonder if a Miller Cop would produce a guilty on a Miller?

I wonder if a regular Cop would produce a guilty on unabombah?

towny

If you think I'm going down that easily...

VOTE: Mumble

you got another thing coming.

what are you doing?

[Ruby Red]

VOTE: kokichi

good vote

Damn, now that Maria has made it an actual wagon, I'm too scared to switch my vote for I fear people will think I'm aligned with Kokichi..

wolfy?

VOTE: UnaBombaH

bad vote

I'll show all how town I am for I'm brave!

VOTE: Ruby Red for no read or at least no understand what read if really read and not just quick see what say in terms of words..

pardon me?

It's been a while since I last played, and I feel like there's a joke here that I don't get.

towny

Slightly suspicious at this post
The way they respond to everything with one line early on reminds me of scum posts

VOTE: Ruby Red

it "reminds you of scum posts"? you're gonna have to back this up with something, because it sounds like a load of bull

[Ruby Red]

36 is a good post by dunn.

VOTE: ruby

i don't believe that anyone can actually think this

like, people actually thought he wasn't being serious the reasoning was so bad

And how is post 7 "wolfy?" but then the vote in post 8 a bad vote?

i think something smart is talking about ausuka

wagons are pro-town, there was already one starting on the one person, what would the point be in starting another?

[Ruby Red]

I mean... RVS is usually giving a vote and a reason too, the difference is that the reason is silly or arbitrary.
Dunn's reason didn't strike me as serious, but in retrospect I suppose it could have been.

Pedit: no I am talking about you Dunn.

You can normally tell when a RVS vote is serious or not imo. Regardless why did you make that post in the first place? It seemed not needed

def agree with the last part

If I never made posts that did not feel necessary I'd never post anything.

My philosophy is more, "why not?"

wolfy

Yes. Which is why I said a good post.

what is this in response to?

[Ruby Red]

dunnstral, kokichi, maybe somethingsmart all good votes imo

VOTE: dunnstral

[Ruby Red]

what the fuck does any of that mean?

[Ruby Red]

-fos on kokichi cause bad reasoning of dunn
- &mariar

in what sense is suspecting kokichi for agreeing with dunnstral a bad thing?

what is that second line supposed to mean?

ahaha just got this. well played and I approve of your music choice

Also, Ruby... what is the strength of those scumreads?

i have no basis for answering that question. it's just what i think looking at the thread.

[Ruby Red]

you going to be doing this the whole game, lapsa?

[Ruby Red]

you going to be doing this the whole game, lapsa?

Hope not.

i have no basis for answering that question. it's just what i think looking at the thread.

Well, how confident are you in what you think?

wolfy first line

i have no idea dude. obviously i'm saying what makes the most sense to me. so, reasonably confident?

[Ruby Red]

Well, what I'm getting at is, it's a bad idea to be confident in early game reads, especially ones THIS early.

Not sure if you are a new player or an alt, and I know how awkward it is as an alt to be asked if you are an alt, so I won't ask you, but I will say that if you are new, you should try to maintain an open mind as much as you can, and that will significantly lower your chance of going down in flames. (I know because I used to do that all the time before I figured this out.)

lol

thanks for the advice, fam

what's your read on me rn

[Ruby Red]

-fos on kokichi cause bad reasoning of dunn
- &mariar

in what sense is suspecting kokichi for agreeing with dunnstral a bad thing?

you argue that dunn is faking his fos on you for one liner post style

36 is a good post by dunn.

VOTE: ruby

i don't believe that anyone can actually think this

like, people actually thought he wasn't being serious the reasoning was so bad

yet raise fos on kokichi for agreeing with dunnstral

I believe arguing dunn is faking it should force you to tunnel vision dunn

that's one explanation

you have the word "yet" there as if it's some kind of logical inconsistency

it's not.

dunnstral's reasoning seems fake af. someone agreeing with that is equally as suspicious, if not more maybe. i have no clue where your problem lies with that.

[Ruby Red]

@ruby do me a favor and vote for something smart

nah, not yet

[Ruby Red]

Una are you a double voter?

wolfiest pop-in i've seen in a while

this can happen over dunn

VOTE: kokichi

wagons are pro-town, there was already one starting on the one person, what would the point be in starting another?

Well, that's your opinion, I don't see the value in a wagon that isn't based off of anything vs voting a lead

Why are you being ultra defensive of what I said? For one, if you judge the strength of what I was pushing, I had just came into the thread and pointed out somethign that seemed off to me, you reacted to this by voting me and saying there was 'no way' I could believe that, while also shading Kokichi for voting you.

What you should be doing is answering how 7 was a wolfy post, but then 8 was a bad vote, from your point of view?

yeah, it is my opinion, and hence the reason why i called someone wolfy but then said a vote on them was bad. isn't that what you were pushing me for in the first place? what's your point?

lol, "defensive".

i literally just answered those things.

[Ruby Red]

wagons are pro-town, there was already one starting on the one person, what would the point be in starting another?

Well, that's your opinion, I don't see the value in a wagon that isn't based off of anything vs voting a lead

Why are you being ultra defensive of what I said? For one, if you judge the strength of what I was pushing, I had just came into the thread and pointed out somethign that seemed off to me, you reacted to this by voting me and saying there was 'no way' I could believe that, while also shading Kokichi for voting you.

What you should be doing is answering how 7 was a wolfy post, but then 8 was a bad vote, from your point of view?

link me a towngame and a scumgame?

[Ruby Red]

am i honestly the only one who cares about kokichi popping in to just comment on the vote count and ask about a role at the same time

and not doing anything else

[Ruby Red]

I don't think meta should be what you try to read anyone on (I assume that's why you're asking for it) I should be able to read Dunn and help in that regard. What do you think about Smart Ruby?
VOTE: Smart

you first, what are you wolfreading him for?

[Ruby Red]

ftr i asked for the games because of mumble's read, was guessing it's meta based and not based off of just this game

[Ruby Red]

I don't think meta should be what you try to read anyone on (I assume that's why you're asking for it) I should be able to read Dunn and help in that regard. What do you think about Smart Ruby?
VOTE: Smart

you first, what are you wolfreading him for?

Why did you feel the need to ask this? The tone feels rather harsh like I would've answered regardless LOL. I think smarts question was rather useless and when I questioned him on it he felt very stiff and the discredit of early scumreads is...telling. I can see him being scum here

Also don't tr Dunnstral yet fuck that noise

didn't mean to come off as aggro at all

i ask because i've got a light tr on you but i think you could pretty easily be deepwolfing, want to avoid getting pocketed

the timing is another part of that, you didn't vote him after calling him out initially for the question but now that i'm getting wagoned you are. if you're a wolf it'd be a pretty good WK i think.

anyways, smart's definitely a contender for wolf. waiting for him to answer my question.

[Ruby Red]

I don't think meta should be what you try to read anyone on (I assume that's why you're asking for it) I should be able to read Dunn and help in that regard. What do you think about Smart Ruby?
VOTE: Smart

you first, what are you wolfreading him for?

Why did you feel the need to ask this? The tone feels rather harsh like I would've answered regardless LOL. I think smarts question was rather useless and when I questioned him on it he felt very stiff and the discredit of early scumreads is...telling. I can see him being scum here

Also don't tr Dunnstral yet fuck that noise

didn't mean to come off as aggro at all

i ask because i've got a light tr on you but i think you could pretty easily be deepwolfing, want to avoid getting pocketed

the timing is another part of that, you didn't vote him after calling him out initially for the question but now that i'm getting wagoned you are. if you're a wolf it'd be a pretty good WK i think.

anyways, smart's definitely a contender for wolf. waiting for him to answer my question.

I didn't really think much of it until I sat down for a second and started thinking about it but fair point. I could be scum ye
What about lapsa? I'm going back and forth on it but got a light tr

wolfy first line

anyways, got nothing on lapsa.

[Ruby Red]

so uh, kokichi

thoughts

[Ruby Red]

what's your read on me rn

Slight townlean due to 49.

what

i thought that was referring to dunn's observation there

how does that give you a townread on me?

[Ruby Red]

I don't think meta should be what you try to read anyone on

wrong

[Ruby Red]

Well, what I'm getting at is, it's a bad idea to be confident in early game reads, especially ones THIS early.

Not sure if you are a new player or an alt, and I know how awkward it is as an alt to be asked if you are an alt, so I won't ask you, but I will say that if you are new, you should try to maintain an open mind as much as you can, and that will significantly lower your chance of going down in flames. (I know because I used to do that all the time before I figured this out.)

for the record i asked smart what his read on me was because this post is kind of tmi on me being town

he doesn't seem to consider the chance that fake confidence could come from a wolf

still think kokichi is more likely to flip wolf but either works

VOTE: something smart

[Ruby Red]

how does that give you a townread on me?

It's a really weird thought process for scum to fake.

interesting that you assume that there's some sort of deeper thought process there rather than assuming i'm just making shit up

it's a correct assumption, just think it might come from someone who knows i'm town more often than someone who doesn't. again, the tmi

Who is so blatantly sheeping me?
You don't need to go into meta, just chill for a bit, the reason I haven't talked to you yet is because I already know what I'm doing this game, so I have no reason to ask your opinion in an attempt to gain direction

unbelievably wolfy

[Ruby Red]

kokichi was the one blatantly sheeping you

if you dont need to ask questions for direction, how about asking questions for sorting people as wolves

[Ruby Red]

interesting that you assume that there's some sort of deeper thought process there rather than assuming i'm just making shit up

Wait, but when I pointed it out, you couldn't believe it would be what someone would actually think...?

no, this is what i had a hard time thinking was a real thought

VOTE: kokichi

good vote

Damn, now that Maria has made it an actual wagon, I'm too scared to switch my vote for I fear people will think I'm aligned with Kokichi..

wolfy?

VOTE: UnaBombaH

bad vote

I'll show all how town I am for I'm brave!

VOTE: Ruby Red for no read or at least no understand what read if really read and not just quick see what say in terms of words..

pardon me?

It's been a while since I last played, and I feel like there's a joke here that I don't get.

towny

Slightly suspicious at this post
The way they respond to everything with one line early on reminds me of scum posts

VOTE: Ruby Red

which i might add you've yet to substantiate

[Ruby Red]

kokichi was the one blatantly sheeping you

wagons are pro-town, there was already one starting on the one person, what would the point be in starting another?

lol

villagerpost

but lol

[Ruby Red]

fuck it, dunnstral can be v for now

still want that one town game and scum game but i'll just look myself if you're not going to link them

for the record i asked smart what his read on me was because this post is kind of tmi on me being town

I have learned, also from experience, that there is no reason not to address people assuming they are town-- helps a lot in having useful discussion.

i can get it

still think it's wolfy, though. like, even if you always talk to people like they're town, you didn't even seem to bring up any suspicion. not even an "if you're town" if i recall.

[Ruby Red]

yeah

[Ruby Red]

zoronos confused villager
moisto v

[Ruby Red]

It's also not allowed in normal.

wolfy pop-in

[Ruby Red]

wagons are pro-town, there was already one starting on the one person, what would the point be in starting another?

Well, that's your opinion, I don't see the value in a wagon that isn't based off of anything vs voting a lead

Why are you being ultra defensive of what I said? For one, if you judge the strength of what I was pushing, I had just came into the thread and pointed out somethign that seemed off to me, you reacted to this by voting me and saying there was 'no way' I could believe that, while also shading Kokichi for voting you.

What you should be doing is answering how 7 was a wolfy post, but then 8 was a bad vote, from your point of view?

link me a towngame and a scumgame?

I like how you dodged the question here. Impressive.

lmfao, check one post before what you quoted

glad to see you're reading closely

kokichi was the one blatantly sheeping you

if you dont need to ask questions for direction, how about asking questions for sorting people as wolves

How is one vote blatantly sheeping when I've also given out reasons to scumread you. I think you're bring super defensive when it isnt needed. Which is also why I think you're scum. I also think you're scum because of the contradictions you've posted. You keep saying Dunn is wolfy. But then you only want to vote me or something_smart. You also keep pleading to Dunn who you said was wolfy, which is a contradiction

uh, no, pretty sure you haven't also given out reasons to scumread me. like, you hadn't even said "defensive" before this post.

none of what you're saying is actually correct which should be obvious to anyone actually reading what i'm saying. i don't even need to go into specifics. anyone can literally just read what you're saying, look at my posts and go "oh, that's bullshit".

Guys I claim a compulsive Vig, Death Miller, Commuter.

This could be scum trying to bring it back to RVS

eh, could be true. i read it as more of a cheeky villager than a wolf stressed out. will check the meta there

[Ruby Red]

It's just 1 of the few contradictions I've seen him make. Contradictions come from scum.

kokichi is lock wolf to me, don't understand how people are townreading him. like, this is ---literally--- a classic faked push. let's review the reasons he's given why i'm a wolf:

kokichi was the one blatantly sheeping you

if you dont need to ask questions for direction, how about asking questions for sorting people as wolves

How is one vote blatantly sheeping when I've also given out reasons to scumread you. I think you're bring super defensive when it isnt needed. Which is also why I think you're scum. I also think you're scum because of the contradictions you've posted. You keep saying Dunn is wolfy. But then you only want to vote me or something_smart. You also keep pleading to Dunn who you said was wolfy, which is a contradiction

1. defensive - bullshit accusation and also literally a classic trap (call someone defensive, they say they're not being defensive, "OH LOL LOOK AT HOW DEFENSIVE SHES BEING"), reasoning copied / sheeped straight from dunnstral
2. contradictions - none of the ones he points out are legit. yeah, i've said dunn was wolfy, and that was also when i was voting him. and then i called him a villager and stop voted him. big contradiction there
also ignores the fact that i've also called kokichi and smart wolfy. how the fuck would voting my wolfreads be contradictory?

[Ruby Red]

Ruby, if I linked some town and scumgames, would you check them out?

I think it would be very illuminating.

sure. do you think you're playing to your town meta here? like, it clears you as v or osmehting?

[Ruby Red]

I am absolutely playing to my town meta. Wouldn't say it clears me but it should put things a lot more in perspective.
Town: beep, boop
Scum: beep (I am using the alt iiSq5024), boop

kokichi is lock wolf to me, don't understand how people are townreading him. like, this is ---literally--- a classic faked push.

Unfortunately, he has done this shit before as town. Here.

what i'm getting from an initial skim is that you sound more natural as wolf

weird

anyways, vote kokichi with me? game you linked doesn't seem similar to here at all. lot more of a cheeky villager, lot less confidence in reads at the start.

[Ruby Red]

OK, I don't feel confident atm.
Kokichi is probably town here though.

something to come back to

[Ruby Red]

ftr smart asking me if i want his meta and linking it himself is towny, unless he's deliberately been emulating his town meta since the start or since he first saw me ask someone for meta it probably doesn't come from a wolf

[Ruby Red]

I'm okay with Ruby red now

VOTE: UnaBombah
Feels weird to look at the thread when stuff is actually going on and say you have no reads, then go to townreading Kokichi

Speaking of which I don't really agree with the stance you're taking right now Kokichi

towny

Dunn is likely town.

wolfy

Ausuka, is that a serious vote on UnaBombaH?

Yes. Up to the point I'm writing this post, Unabombah has felt very tonally off. My post 31 was meant to indicate this but I guess it is very unclear so I don't blame anyone who misinterpreted it.
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47 is a good observation and it makes me like Dunnstral for now.
60 is a fair response to it, though. The reason I voted unabombah was because I already had a scumlean on him, so I had no need for any RVS vote.
Lapsa saying people are scum for lurking on page 3 is weird but I don't think it's that likely to come from scum?
I really like 84 from Dunn as well. I also think 112 is towny, so rn I think {Dunn, ruby} is TvT.
133- Zoronos seems obvtown at this point, it seems like he's legitimately motivated to find scum.
135 is scummy. I don't like 147 either; I don't really understand any of his reasons to push Ruby as accurate. I don't see any problem with Ruby's 117, considering all he was saying was that Koki was sheeping at the time, and I don't see why he views defensiveness as scummy at all, either (this is possibly just a difference in mentality but I think he's experienced and unless I'm totally wrong about the way I approach the game, which I don't think I am, defensiveness isn't a scumtell at all. I've been accused of it multiple times when I'm just town responding to points, and I think it's the sort of scumtell you see more often from newbies, which Koki isn't. But this is just a tangent so whatever.) Considering that ruby had said that dunn was towny, I also don't see why it's a contradiction to now talk to Dunn like he's town. Basically this doesn't seem like a real push to me.

I'm also going to do ISO reads because I feel like being tryhard Ausuka this game and I feel like my current thoughts aren't good enough for that.

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Ausuka

is obvious town.

Mumble

is very town; I believe the miller claim, I kinda follow what he's been doing (especially with the early Una vote) and he's not playing at all like he did in Floral mafia.

Ruby Red

is probably town. I follow what he's been doing, and I agree with him about kokichi (and some other things, like Una's scummy opening.)

Dunnstral

is a player I townread. His post 36 is somewhat scummy in that it makes like 0 sense and I understand 100% where Ruby is coming from in scumreading that, but it's basically RVS at this point so I'm not going to hold this read to a high standard. 47 is a good observation, at the very least, and I think it's likely to come from town legitimately trying to find scum. His push on ruby in general just feels real to me; I don't agree with it, but I follow what he's saying.

Lapsa

is a townlean I guess? I don't really understand what he's saying, but it definitely looks like he's making lots of notes about the game, which makes him towny.

Something_Smart

- looking back his thoughts on Ruby are kinda towny and I have way too many SRs if he's scum.

MariaR

- idk why she townreads Unabombah in 27.

Espeonage

is completely null. He hasn't given content, but he has a RL reason for that, so it's NAI.

ArcAngel9

has done nothing at all.

Mr Moisto

basically did nothing but arrive in a jokey way and not do anything despite there being a lot of content. He can be scum.

Kokichi Oma

is a scumread. 39 is meh- I guess I could see it coming from town but I don't really see how you look at that post and think "oh hey, that's a good point." I've already mentioned that I don't like 149 and I see it as a fabricated push. I do like 148 though. 151 is another bad post- RR gave an explanation for this- why is he ignoring it? 155 also feels fake to me.

I don't have time to finish this and tomorrow there will be too many new pages for it to be relevant. Suffice it to say, Zoronos is towny, unabombah isn't.

yeah this is a villager

It seems pretty apparent that it's not a joke to me, I think this is just you

I have a hard time squaring the conclusion in it as anything but a joke.
None of them made any sense, and they didn't even make fake-sense. That is, they were so obviously out of left field that they didn't feel like lies to me - they were transparently nonsense.
Yeah, they contradict eachother, but not in a 'Ha ha this is my master plan to appear towny' fashion, more like 'here is just some random bullshit for the sake of being random bullshit'.

to start off, it wasn't a joke.

let's get something straight - are you saying that what i said doesn't make sense, or are you saying you don't understand it? because most of what i said in that post was that individual things were towny or wolfy. presumably if you're calling what i said nonsensical than you're disagreeing with what conclusions i came to - if not, then it's just that you don't understand how i came to those conclusions.

which is it?

[Ruby Red]

Dunn is likely town.

actually i take this being wolfy back

[Ruby Red]

It seems pretty apparent that it's not a joke to me, I think this is just you

I have a hard time squaring the conclusion in it as anything but a joke.
None of them made any sense, and they didn't even make fake-sense. That is, they were so obviously out of left field that they didn't feel like lies to me - they were transparently nonsense.
Yeah, they contradict eachother, but not in a 'Ha ha this is my master plan to appear towny' fashion, more like 'here is just some random bullshit for the sake of being random bullshit'.

to start off, it wasn't a joke.

let's get something straight - are you saying that what i said doesn't make sense, or are you saying you don't understand it? because most of what i said in that post was that individual things were towny or wolfy. presumably if you're calling what i said nonsensical than you're disagreeing with what conclusions i came to - if not, then it's just that you don't understand how i came to those conclusions.

which is it?

Oh. Well, then I guess I have to retread. And probably owe Dunstral an apology.

I am saying that I don't understand what was in 16, and I don't see how you were coming to any of the conclusions in it that you made.
Here's how I read the things in it: 6 struck me as an RVS vote. 7 struck me as a joke post. I have no idea why you commented on 8. I figured your quote on 11 was a joke response to an RVS vote (similar to post 7), and 14 was mine.
So, yeah, the post struck me as nonsense because I couldn't figure out how you were getting from A to B on the posts you quoted -> the conclusions you made.

Maybe my sense of humour is broken.

rvs votes can be good votes
jokes can be wolfy
i commented on 8 because voting off the wagon was bad
did not understand what 11 wwas saying
why don't you understand me calling your post towny

Zoronos, some of Ruby Red's responses show they didn't consider that a joke post (they explained why responses to 7 and 8 made sense to them) - It's interesting knowing how you saw it though

Yeah, uhh I owe you an apology. Sorry, my bad.

towny?

[Ruby Red]

I want a wagon on kokichi given he seems to be the common link in all this and while I don't really scumread him hard my only 2 big scumreads seem to be connected. And I don't think you guys will wagon dunn so (B

my dreams are coming true

VOTE: kokichi

[Ruby Red]

dunnstral explain why you've already made half as many posts in this game as you did in those villager games you linked me

[Ruby Red]

I am absolutely playing to my town meta. Wouldn't say it clears me but it should put things a lot more in perspective.
Town: beep, boop
Scum: beep (I am using the alt iiSq5024), boop

kokichi is lock wolf to me, don't understand how people are townreading him. like, this is ---literally--- a classic faked push.

Unfortunately, he has done this shit before as town. Here.

@ruby. Why did you ignore what Something Smart said when he said I've played this exact way as town in a previous game?

another failure of reading comprehension

[Ruby Red]

or maybe it's deliberate. either way you're a wolf.

[Ruby Red]

mumble still villager if i hadn't mentioned that before.

[Ruby Red]

36 is a good post by dunn.

VOTE: ruby

To my read, post 36 seems thin gruel. The post he's quoting,7, seemed to me to be a complete joke post. Construing that as a serious post, then putting someone on the spot to defend a joke post strikes me as bad reasoning.

Why do you feel post 36 is good?
Or... did I miss a joke again, and this exchange was an extended joke I'm not privy too?

I think you're misunderstanding. I know that Una's post is a joke. Ruby never clarified that his "wolfy?" Post was a joke. Which is what I assumed was the contradiction. Is he saying that's a joke now as well?

why are you asking a question that was answered later on and should be obvious that it would have been answered later on?

this question is rhetorical, i already know the answer.

[Ruby Red]

I am absolutely playing to my town meta. Wouldn't say it clears me but it should put things a lot more in perspective.
Town: beep, boop
Scum: beep (I am using the alt iiSq5024), boop

kokichi is lock wolf to me, don't understand how people are townreading him. like, this is ---literally--- a classic faked push.

Unfortunately, he has done this shit before as town. Here.

what i'm getting from an initial skim is that you sound more natural as wolf

weird

anyways, vote kokichi with me?

game you linked doesn't seem similar to here at all

. lot more of a cheeky villager, lot less confidence in reads at the start.

[Ruby Red]

fuck reading

Mr Moisto could be lurkwolf
Ruby Red v
Mumble lock v
ArcAngel9 could be lurkwolf
Ausuka lock v
UnaBombaH weird
MariaR v with deepwolf potential
Kokichi Oma w
Zoronos v
Dunnstral v
Lapsa probs v
Something_Smart v
Espeonage probs v

[Ruby Red]

maybe bad my only wolves are lurkwolves / deepwolves?

[Ruby Red]

except kokichi that is

[Ruby Red]

zzz

[Ruby Red]

Mumble claimed miller?

ope forgot that too LOL

wolfy

[Ruby Red]

can i get a vc

[Ruby Red]

Ruby why do you still scumread me even though it was a misunderstanding

what are you saying was a misunderstanding?

[Ruby Red]

Something Smart's post there struck me as not-alignment-indicating - a fluffy post of a basic mafia truism; that early reads tend to be low quality. What struck you as scummy about it?

Zoronos read I follow and agree with. Seems to be genuinely solving and analyzing.

zero votes

abundance of townreads

filler questions

meh, i could see zor as going for deepwolf actually

Mumble is prob town and it's not because of the miller claim it's because of the focus on one self imo. Normally that on paper comes from scum but the way he's attacking stuff like my posts feels like scumhunting and not something with an agenda I also don't see why scum mumble fake claims miller in the first place it's normally done by I'd say higher level scum players scum millers also have this thing where they get policy lynched it just feels very wish washy but I was trying to avoid adding stuff like the miller claim into it and sticking to the raw details but this could just be me rambling stupidity

mumble is lockvilla. it shouldn't even be a discussion.

[Ruby Red]

@Maria in 285- I mean I could see that but it feels like the effort was repeated and it seemed like you were actively trying to discredit instead of just asking "why is Ausuka town?" once like I'd expect town to do in that scenario? idk.

I guess it's definitely possible for Zoronos to be scum, but I'm not really seeing it. I was expecting him to do more with the question about my scumreads, though; he kinda just asked me and then ignored my answer. I agree that there's scum in the lurkers, but then again, there's always scum in the lurkers.

330 looks towny at first glance but I'll probably get a better read on unabombah once he posts whatever he's planning to w/ the reread.

There are 1-2 scum in {Espeonage, Mr Moisto, Arcangel9}

Koki wagon is going nowhere, so I want to try this.
VOTE: Mr Moisto

you think a lurker wagon is going somewhere more than the kokichi wagon is?

even ignoring reads kokichi votes are better rn imo

[Ruby Red]

mumble is lockvilla. it shouldn't even be a discussion.

Are you an alt? If you don't want to answer, don't. But, if you are I think I know who you are.

mu

VOTE: Zoronos

I am either a town read or a scum read. For you to have me as null is horrible. Your entire post now reads as fake.

I missed this, but at least you give a solid reason as to why you think this. His "eat rope" and vote him randomly, and then bad explanation stands out to me.

notice how kokichi seems to constantly miss things in his catchup posts

him saying he was busy actually gave me some doubt on my read as that shit has burned me before trying to read people who were playing while distracted. here's the thing: if kokichi were a villager he'd spend the time he spends on his flurry posts reading closer and typing up more meaningful posts.

Then why did Zoro say it was?

Either way, I like Ruby's posts but I don't like how he's tunneling over a page 2 post that is just initial reads.

listen,

nine times out of ten

your initial gut instinct on something will be just as good if not ---far better--- than thinking about it for a month and a half

once the lurkers post or get subbed i'm ready to wrap this day up

[Ruby Red]

notice how kokichi seems to constantly miss things in his catchup posts

him saying he was busy actually gave me some doubt on my read as that shit has burned me before trying to read people who were playing while distracted. here's the thing: if kokichi were a villager he'd spend the time he spends on his flurry posts reading closer and typing up more meaningful posts.

Look at my game that just ended, Asuka was in that game. I was saying I was busy in that game too. And I was town. So? I've just had a busy work schedule. Are you saying only town can pay attention? Scum is incapable of paying attention? Those are the only 2 options?

you're missing my point, i'm inclined to think intentionally

i'm not calling you wolf because you're busy. never said that. what i said was that even when someone's busy there's a difference between the way an irl busy villager interacts with the game vs an irl busy wolf. that game you mentioned is actually a perfect contrast to this one. busy, start the game, admit you don't have reads. villager. nothing like this game.

[Ruby Red]

arc is a villager

[Ruby Red]

Mr Moisto could be lurkwolf
Ruby Red v
Mumble lock v
ArcAngel9 v
Ausuka lock v
UnaBombaH weird
MariaR deepwolf potential
Kokichi Oma w
Zoronos going for deepwolf?
Dunnstral still probs v
Lapsa still probs v
Something_Smart v
Espeonage could be lurkwolf

thinking all scum are in (moisto, una, maria, kokichi, zor, espeon). it'll be an easier sort when people stop lurking.

[Ruby Red]

Why do you think that?

the gamesolving effort is there and real

[Ruby Red]

What is deep wolf

like mobb deep but instead of a sick rap group it's a wolf that bad towns can't lynch

Arc I wanna call town for having me as a strong tr but I need posts

wolfy

Interesting, I never knew there was a term for that.

there is

it's called scum

shitty categories are how bad scum players get ego points from shitty townies pack mentalitying themselves in to stupid fucking lock town reads that are wrong.

yeah ok, gonna come back on another page.

lol

Got overwhelmed yesterday, and I want to make a good long post, so that got delayed..sry for everyone who was anxiously waiting for it.
It will come within this week though. (no refunds on pre-paid tickets..)

zzz

[Ruby Red]

@everyone not voting, how about you put a vote down in your very next post

[Ruby Red]

hilarious

[Ruby Red]

I'm glad.
What do you have against not voting?

easier for wolves to hide

cfds are usually shit, unless i lead them in which case they hit wolves 100% of the time

[Ruby Red]

MrMoisto will be replaced

@mod was this due to inactivity or was it requested

I want to interject into the Dunstrall v Lapsa discussion, because this discussion seems very opaque, but I’m not even sure what question to ask that would clarify things.

Maybe this: Lapsa, what specifically were you accusing Dunnstral of with regard to his meta?

towny

I could definitely understand a Null read, giving benefit of the doubt, but Town perplexes me.

I have a weird playstyle, apparently. I like to town read everyone until I have a reason not to, so I guess I instinctively town read everyone rather than null read because a lot of people get pushed for NAI things.

Unah’s one of those players for me that I feel i can read pretty well. He was town read nearly universal for me, and I didn’t know why, because I scum read leaned him, and everyone shaded me for it, then he was scum traitor, and I used that to catch multiple other scum. I just kinda see when he get a pushed a little if he’s town or not. He gets rung up more than I think he should.

which is it, do you townrad him or is he default town

[Ruby Red]

Unah’s one of those players for me that I feel i can read pretty well. He was town read nearly universal for me, and I didn’t know why, because I scum read leaned him, and everyone shaded me for it, then he was scum traitor, and I used that to catch multiple other scum.

If I were to be scum, you would be one of the players I REALLY think could sniff it out.

it never makes sense to lynch una over morality.

[Ruby Red]

Lurker slot got replaced unab how do you feel about him so far?

hello???

yeah, yeah. we got it - una is confirmed town. pick up a better topic

Unah is by no means conf town, why do you say this?

is this a real question that you're asking

did you truly not comprehend the meaning of lapsa's post

I mean, I don’t necessarily have any scum reads either, and Unah’s has continued to say that they will eventually make a longer post. If that never happens, then I’ll start to think over it more, but regardless, right now I have no reason to suspect Unah when i know I’ll have a clearer read later. So town.

so it's not that you townread him, it's that you don't suspect him and you'll be able to read him better later. that right?

Ok if this keeps up I'm gonna start lynching people who say other people are confirmed anything.

Because it's lazy af and being lazy af is scummy.

wolfy pop-in

[Ruby Red]

Espeonage doing no scumhunting but popping in to be angry at people is something that generally comes from scum. I'm starting to become very suspicious of unabombah, too.

Gimme a minute jeez.

Ok if this keeps up I'm gonna start lynching people who say other people are confirmed anything.

Because it's lazy af and being lazy af is scummy.

l m a o

[Ruby Red]

someone @ me when kokichi is lynched

[Ruby Red]

Ruby sticking to his page 2 read over an early read is worrying.

you keep saying this as if its going to change my mind or should change anyone else's mind

i saw reasons that you were a wolf. those reasons are still there. nothing has happened to make me doubt those reasons.

i will always trust my initial instincts.


thinking about it a bit more its prolly a discredit on my read

[Ruby Red]

You have not tried to engage me at all, which is what I assume someone with a tunnel on someone would do

describe more of what you expect me to do, specifically. how does this affect your read on me?

[Ruby Red]

Wagon composition I feel Kokichi’s probably town. They’ve been the lead wagon since I came into this game and only now started to pick up serious steam.

That leads me to believe one of Ruby, Espeonage, and Maria are scum based on sitting there for a while. Maria unvoted now, and Espeonage i feel just picked someone and voted, he could do that as scum too, but meh.

Anyone up for a Ruby lynch?

VOTE: Ruby

I’ll iso in a sec.

lazy analysis

not sure if it makes you a wolf, just lazy analysis. yeah, you can look at people suddenly voting kokichi and say "oh no, look how fast it was, must be scum driven", except look at who the people voting there are:

I'm fine with a Kokichi lynch. We have two days left and it's the weekend.

VOTE: Kokichi

VOTE: Kokichi Oma

kokichi has been the "lead" wagon at a grand total of three votes while there were like 7 other different 1 vote wagons

[Ruby Red]

Dunn made a post, and Ruby called it out as a crap post or something similar. I actually understood completely what Dunn was talking about, as I saw the way ruby was responding to things as scummy too.

They then go on to push anyone who was agreeing with Dunn, I’ll likely be OMGUS’d soon as well. Going back into the ISO

describe exactly how you understood what he meant by saying it "reminded him of scum posts".

am i honestly the only one who cares about kokichi popping in to just comment on the vote count and ask about a role at the same time

and not doing anything else

Yes, why is that AI to you?

wolves dont care about sorting people, they care about not dying and killing prs. popping in and seemingly not giving a shit about figuring things out makes you a wolf.

Plus, Kokichi is complying to stuff whereas Ruby is just tunneling, but keeping everyone open.

bullshit

i literally said that all scum were in a group of six people and then took una out of that group as a lynch target before you.

[Ruby Red]

i'm the only one in this fucking game who seems to be making any sort of effort to get a wolfread lynched

look at the fucking wagon stall on kokichi, and then look at the players on the wagon, and then look at the multiple other counterwagon attempts

wolves would have eaten this shit up if kokichi was a mislynch, not let this shit stagnate to 2 days left on deadline

[Ruby Red]

Vote Count 1.10
Kokichi Oma[4]: Espeonage, Ruby Red, Mumble, Asuka[L-3]
Lapsa[2]: Dunnstrul, Kokichi Oma
Zoronos[1]: UnabombaH
Something_Smart[1]: ArcAngel9
UnabombaH[1]: Zoronos
Dunnstral[1]: Lapsa
Ruby Red[1]: Morality
No Lynch[1]: Something_Smart
Not Voting[1]:MariaR

With 13 alive, it requires 7 to lynch
Day ends in (expired on 2018-04-30 23:49:55) or when a lynch occurs

hint: wolves are not on the top, they are among the bottom

except maybe espeonage

[Ruby Red]

kokichi also done nothing except discredit votes against him as tunnel or confbias or whatevver

newsflash dude, you were at three votes this entire time. do you care more about solving the game or do you care more about not getting lynched? because i haven't seen any solving effort or effort to push a wolfread from you, but i have seen a lot of effort in getting me to stop voting you.

it's not even as if i've been caps lock screaming for this shit the entire day. i pop in most times and don't even say shit about kokichi.

[Ruby Red]

Unah’s one of those players for me that I feel i can read pretty well. He was town read nearly universal for me, and I didn’t know why, because I scum read leaned him, and everyone shaded me for it, then he was scum traitor, and I used that to catch multiple other scum.

If I were to be scum, you would be one of the players I REALLY think could sniff it out.

it never makes sense to lynch una over morality.

by the way, let me expound on this because i feel like it got skipped over:

there are four permutations of alignments for morality and una.

morality v una v
morality v una w
morality w una v
morality w una w

if i take it that morality actually can meta read una like he says, that removes the "morality v una w" situation.

it no longer makes sense to lynch una over morality.

if you want to lynch una, morality is always the better lynch. morality is either defending a wolfbuddy, pocketing a villager, or is a v and is correct.

[Ruby Red]

Did it take you that much to say what you had already said earlier? I agree with the sentiment. I just don’t think Unah was even under consideration for lynch right now.

It’s kokichi under scrutiny

I also stated that I thought Mumble could be scum, but I can figure out his alignment well later because he’s Mumble. You’re the only one on that list that I can’t read that way because of lack of experience with you.

what are these in response to

I also don’t see this as a wagon stall.

explain what you think wolves are doing when you look at the latest vc

Can y'all talk to me and not about me and maybe I can play my way in.

towny

who do you think wolves are

[Ruby Red]

one day to deadline with one wagon at 4 votes and, count em,

nine people sitting on one vote wagons

[Ruby Red]

Vote Count 1.11
Kokichi Oma[4]: Espeonage, Ruby Red, Mumble, Asuka[L-3]
Lapsa[1]: Dunnstrul
Zoronos[1]: UnabombaH
Something_Smart[1]: ArcAngel9
UnabombaH[1]: Zoronos
Dunnstral[1]: Lapsa
Ruby Red[1]: Morality
Espeonage[1]:Kokichi Oma
No Lynch[1]: Something_Smart
Not Voting[1]:MariaR

With 13 alive, it requires 7 to lynch
Day ends in (expired on 2018-04-30 23:49:55) or when a lynch occurs

that's beautiful right there

wolves, wyd

ArcAngel9 will be replaced for inactivity

villager btw

[Ruby Red]

lol

[Ruby Red]

o/ hi friends

I'll read thread in detail in c. 12 hours--who's scum guys?

check our hood

[Ruby Red]

lmk when you hear back from the mod

[Ruby Red]

the better low-content lynch would is maria imo

[Ruby Red]

low-content vote, i guess

kokichi should still be the lynch

[Ruby Red]

Vote Count 1.11
Kokichi Oma[4]: Espeonage, Ruby Red, Mumble, Asuka[L-3]

like, either Koki's scum or there's scum here. I'm not scum, and I strongly believe neither Ruby or Mumble is scum rn, so there's at least 1 scum in {Espe, koki} and it makes a lot of sense for it to be Espe.

why does it make more sense for it to be espe instead of kokichi

[Ruby Red]

low content wolfbuddies makes sense with wolf kokichi and the lack of a cw but that doesn't mean the lynch should be shifted elsewhere

Vote Count 1.11
Kokichi Oma[4]: Espeonage, Ruby Red, Mumble, Asuka[L-3]

like, either Koki's scum or there's scum here. I'm not scum, and I strongly believe neither Ruby or Mumble is scum rn, so there's at least 1 scum in {Espe, koki} and it makes a lot of sense for it to be Espe.

why does it make more sense for it to be espe instead of kokichi

because of the stuff I mentioned in 687. Also I kinda got townfeels from Koki's later posting.

quote the towny posts and i'll quote espeon's towny posts

[Ruby Red]

Can y'all talk to me and not about me and maybe I can play my way in.

No idea that's the point. Gun to my head you AND kok

Any of you given thought to the fact that Arc is abrasive by nature and regularly incorrectly wagoned?

[Ruby Red]

What do you make of Ruby slipping that they want a different lynch to Espe just now?

[Ruby Red]

i'm out

read the hood when you get a chance there ducky

[Ruby Red]

i'm out

read the hood when you get a chance there ducky

Is there a hood?

nah i was fucking with you

[Ruby Red]

why did it take you reading isos to say that

[Ruby Red]

Should've said masonry.

we're actually masons, i'm just doing some advanced distancing

[Ruby Red]

aids village

[Ruby Red]

VOTE: Espeonage

Worst, Ruby, Espeonage scum team is my guess right now. I don’t expect to be entirely accurate, but I’m bound to have hit one maybe two scum.

you're wolf or bad

[Ruby Red]

step 1 pick a lurker at random, but make sure you don't choose an actually wolfy lurker
step 2 vote said lurker
step 3 call the wolfteam as anyone not voting or townreading that lurker

and voila, an ms town

[Ruby Red]

step 1 pick a lurker at random, but make sure you don't choose an actually wolfy lurker
step 2 vote said lurker
step 3 call the wolfteam as anyone not voting or townreading that lurker

and voila, an ms town

Who is the wolfy lurker here?

maria

The read on kok is based mostly on the same things that happened in our last game when Kok was scum. Basically where they comment on things that aren't the prevailing issue in the thread at the time so on a skim they appear to be active when really they aren't engaged. The prime example early was coming in mid conversation to ask about what was an obvious mod error in the vote count.

Ruby read is however built on that they are throwing shit at every possible surface like some kind of sick experiment to see exactly what consistency and shape of shit is best for interior decorating a mafia game thread. Which is really don't like.

Unvote, Vote: Ruby

Also worst could 100% be white knighting me here. This isn't my usual play and treating it as one of my variations from the games we have had together is bad juju.

lol

[Ruby Red]

We have had a lot of people basically not playing, which makes it hard to get traction anywhere.

I still want to lynch Unabomber, who has basically produced a read on one player all game (a scum lean on the claimed miller), didn't vote them, then fucked off again.
The Worst is at least posting, which is better than I could say from Arcangel who slots he's in.

I still don't really want to vote Kokichi (so I'm not har har).

did you read what i said about lynching una not making sense before morality

[Ruby Red]

My wagon consists of 2 people voting me since pages 1 and 2. And 1 person who says I'm probably town, but just wanted to vote since it's the weekend

discredit my vote more

[Ruby Red]

maria

I don't think Maria is scum. Let's go around this again.
I don't think you or Kokichi are either, so really I'm not happy with the current slate of lynch candidates at all.

why do you tr maria

[Ruby Red]

turning caps lock on

VOTE: Espeonage

Its possible hes just scum vote parking. He hasn't even explained his vote on me. Hes just vote parked since day 1

THIS IS KOKICHIS SINGULAR WOLFREAD FOR THIS ENTIRE FUCKING DAY

READ IT

READ IT AGAIN

THEN TYPE "VOTE: KOKICHI" AND PREPARE YOURSELF FOR THE WOLF FLIP

HE HAS DONE FUCKING NOTHING EXCEPT WHINE ABOUT THE THREE VOTES ON HIM THIS ENTIRE FUCKING DAY AND THEN THIS IS WHAT HE COMES UP WITH FOR THE TOKEN END OF DAY FLASHWAGON ON TOWN

[Ruby Red]

maria

I don't think Maria is scum. Let's go around this again.
I don't think you or Kokichi are either, so really I'm not happy with the current slate of lynch candidates at all.

why do you tr maria

meant to say kokichi

[Ruby Red]

The defensive tone on this page, coupled with the brushing of the vote make me confident.

you're bad

[Ruby Red]

how in the fuck could you say that i'm trying to "see what sticks" when i have been pushing my singular top wolfread this entire game

[Ruby Red]

why dont you elaborate for me on what exactly ive been "throwing at the wall"

[Ruby Red]

quote

[Ruby Red]

what the fuck

if i were a wolf why would i be shading you when youre voting with me

[Ruby Red]

let me prove you wrong with one post

Mr Moisto could be lurkwolf
Ruby Red v
Mumble lock v
ArcAngel9 v
Ausuka lock v
UnaBombaH weird
MariaR deepwolf potential
Kokichi Oma w
Zoronos going for deepwolf?
Dunnstral still probs v
Lapsa still probs v
Something_Smart v
Espeonage could be lurkwolf

thinking all scum are in (moisto, una, maria, kokichi, zor, espeon). it'll be an easier sort when people stop lurking.

[Ruby Red]

now get the fuck out of my face

[Ruby Red]

bonus points: check where i said we always lynch morality before una and check when i called you villagery

[Ruby Red]

That's the fucking most incriminating.

Look at that fucking pool.

what the fuck does this mean??

[Ruby Red]

Thank you for proving my point. You can't vote park and then call everyone in the game scum and call everyone in the game town. It doesn't work like that. You actually have to take a stand and fucking stick with it or actually show why the fuck it has changed.

you don't understand the meaning of the word "wolfy", do you

[Ruby Red]

do you understand that i can call someone "scummy" or even call an individaul post "scummy" but then later go on to believe that a person is town

[Ruby Red]

do you understand that i can call someone "scummy" or even call an individaul post "scummy" but then later go on to believe that a person is town

The disconnect is that you have never elaborated on anything to actually give a thought process on magnitude of reads. It gives us nothing to work with and lets you do whatever the fuck you want at crunch time.

and you believe this is something that i specifically only do as a wolf?

[Ruby Red]

you believe that in my villager games i write paragraphs upon paragraphs of justification, and for wolf games specifically i reduce it to "v"?

certainly you must believe this, yes? otherwise what you're saying would make no sense at all.

[Ruby Red]

it's literally not even fucking true

if i cared about lynching wolves i'd give a sentence more? want me to quote where i explain why kokichi is a wolf?

[Ruby Red]

what?

[Ruby Red]

worst village i've ever had the misfortune of playing with

[Ruby Red]

none of your fucking level 0 reasoning makes sense

why the fuck do i need to "keep my options open" if kokichi is a villager

how could i possible have been "shading you" by calling you town and saying that the wagon on you was shit

how could the way i give reads possibly make me a wolf when it's how i fucking play the game

[Ruby Red]

You also called me scum. Much like you have with EVERYONE IN THE GAME.

NO I FUCKING DIDN'T

I HAVE CALLED SOME OF YOUR POSTS "WOLFY"

THE MOST I HAVE EVER SAID ON YOU BEING A WOLF IS "COULD BE LURKWOLV", THAT LATER GOT CHANGED TO ME THINKING YOU WERE MORE LIKELY VILLAGER

HOLY SHIT

[Ruby Red]

I am glad that I have done for my slot, what no one else has been able to for theirs, and made you actually take a concrete stance.

Now my next question, why are you so sure I am bad town, and not scum, unless you know my alignment?

holy fuck

[Ruby Red]

this guy fucking HAS to be messing with me

there's no way someone can actually be like this



literally like one or two pages ago i quoted posts that made me townread you

those same posts that i quoted and responded to with "towny"

remember those

[Ruby Red]

Mutually triggering playstyles imo

Group hug?

sorry i get triggered by people asking me the most drop-dead idiotic questions i've seen in a long time

[Ruby Red]

tbh, I don't remember. I'm going to go re-read the ISO and see if I can job my memory.
I had her on my town list pretty early and I don't rightly recall specifically why.

Okay, sorry, I went back and read through.
I felt the dialogue I had with Maria back in 184 -> 188 -> 202 was quite productive. We had a discrepency in our scum / town reads but instead of just yelling at eachother about it we talked it over. Fostering unnecessary cooperation is towny, imo.
She also saw a similar problem as I did with the Dunnstral -> Kokichi sequence based on Dunnstal's opinion on Ruby's opening post. If another player sees the same input as me and ends up in the same place as me for similar reasons (without obvious sheeping) that makes me think they're using a similar thought process and so likely have a similar alignment. I don't see scum actively cooperate early to let themselves get 'talked out of' scum reads or work positively with town.

meant to ask you about kokichi, sorry for the waste of however long this took you

[Ruby Red]

I want an explaination on it though. What was it about those posts that made you think that way.

i looked into your soul and figured out your alignment

fuck off

[Ruby Red]

heres an explanation for you

whjats the wolf motivation in voting the one person pushing the only other viable wagon other than your own

[Ruby Red]

The game is more than one day long. Now you.

lmfao

you asked me for more, for an explanation of why i tr you

and i gave you one

so are you arguing that i shouldn't be townreading you or are you just trying to fucking score points and win the "debate"

[Ruby Red]

We could make Lapsa a viable wagon?

how about we vote kokichi

[Ruby Red]

I want an explaination on it though. What was it about those posts that made you think that way.

i looked into your soul and figured out your alignment

fuck off

This is actual bullshit.

You need rope. Badly.

you're ignoring my real reasoning and focusing on the joke

how about you respond to 828

[Ruby Red]

Do either of you actually think the other is flipping red here?

(pun intended! :3)


Probably down to vote Koki

i haven't thought this guy is wolf for a while now

i guess i should stop fucking responding or just close my eyes or something and stop my rapidly rising blood pressure from going any further

[Ruby Red]

meant to ask you about kokichi, sorry for the waste of however long this took you

Oh. WELL.

I initially scum read him for agreeing with Dunnstral's bad evaluation of one of your early posts. From my perspective, Dunn was making a poor evaluation, and Kokichi should have known better than to +1 an obviously bad eval (Dunn dumb, Kokichi scum).
Once it was pointed out that I was the one misunderstanding the context of that early post and not Dunnstral, I backed off and re-evaluated things. I moved him back to neutral from there, and since then his thoughts haven't been massively off-base and he's at least contributing to the thread. He strikes me as frustrated town.

Much more so than say Arc or Una (and Morality).
The difference I'm looking to draw between the lurk-squad is this: Espeonage was just absent whereas Arc and Una were mostly absent but the posts they were making when they were around were scummy. Morality hard-defended a player who had posted nothing, and certainly nothing to justify such a rabid defense.

thoughts on what i've been saying about how his focus this whole day has

just

been the few votes on him and my scumread on him? how much effort he's devoted to discrediting that over actually scumhunting or having genuine conviction in reads?

I wont AtE here, you do you
But
RUDE

Arcangel's posts were kinda bad, tbh.

But everyone should join me on my clearly awesome unabombah wagon, because he made one inspection-post, called Mumble-the-claimed-miller scummy, didn't vote his only read all game, then fucked off again.

arcangel posting was bad but imo strongly showed villa desire to figure shit out

let's not lynch my mason buddy today

[Ruby Red]

oh nvm my mason buddy is the duck not una

still makes sense to lynch morality before una

[Ruby Red]

oh nvm my mason buddy is the duck not una

still makes sense to lynch morality before una

There's the possibility that Moralty is just dumb, but I understand why you'd think that and I am also worried about it.
But at some level if I see a solid scum case for a player, I'm going to vote that player.

Morality pre-judging the flip based on scum-omniscience is possible, and I understand that, but there still exists a town explanation for his behavior.

no, it goes deeper than that

morality apparently has experience with una, enough that he can confidently sort him. if i trust him on this, then this means there's never a world in which una is a wolf while morality is villa. there are only worlds in which they're both villa or morality is wolf with either a una wolfbuddy or hard defending una villa. if you think una is a wolf, it mechanically makes more sense to lynch morality. on morality's villa flip if we trust his read then we can also take it as confirmation that una is villa. if morality flips wolf, then proceed from there.

4 permutations of two people being wolf or villager, remove the "una w morality v" permutation, there are two permutations of morality wolf and one of una wolf, and a morality villa flip can confirm una villa.

[Ruby Red]

thoughts on what i've been saying about how his focus this whole day has just been the few votes on him and my scumread on him? how much effort he's devoted to discrediting that over actually scumhunting or having genuine conviction in reads?

tbh? I think you're too close to the issue and not stepping back to see the larger picture because you're invested in the current circumstances of the wagons.
I think both you and Kokichi are players that when pressured become irrational and 'hot' rather than cool. Both of you seem to get whipped up when you perceive that you are being attacked for reasons you consider poorly thought out or otherwise unjust.

His initial focus was off the votes on him, I think. I don't remember the vote state when he agreed with Dunn's opinion vis-a-vis your opening post.

it goes beyond the initial focus

i'm talking entire day, just focused on votes, not on sorting or pushing a wolfread

one singular wolfread right now at deadline, the weak af one on espeon

[Ruby Red]

I'm calm now.

I'm willing to patiently and perhaps thoroughly explain why I believe Kokichi to be the best lynch today.

[Ruby Red]

When I analyze players to determine their alignment, the main thing I think about is mindset. What is a person's mindset when making a particular post? Is it more likely to come from a villager or from a wolf? Does this person's mindset reveal anything about his or her motivations?

I think a good example of how I apply this practically would be with Arc. A more content-based approach would look at Arc's posts, call them really bad, and say that she's a wolf for them. This mentality falls victim far too easily to lynchbait. In my view, Arc's posts show a very visible villager mindset. She questioned other people's reasons for scumreads. She seemed to have genuine sorting efforts.

Examining Kokichi's mindset is where my wolfread comes from. I've pointed this out whenever it's come up during the day. Here's an example:

am i honestly the only one who cares about kokichi popping in to just comment on the vote count and ask about a role at the same time

and not doing anything else

What people do when they enter the thread tells you a lot about their mindset. Villagers, even when low on time, often make some kind of sorting effort or attempt at engagement with the thread. This is a perfect example from Espeonage, hence my townread on him:

Can y'all talk to me and not about me and maybe I can play my way in.

[Ruby Red]

It's hard exactly to put into words, but I think too see what I'm saying about Kokichi, people should read through his ISO, starting from the beginning. As you scroll through, notice that there's a lot of questioning of other people and things pointed out such as perhaps inconsistencies, but never does Kokichi seem to put any of it together into a visible wolfread. It's questioning for the sake of questioning, talking for the sake of talking.

Another point that I've been making this whole time is Kokichi's emphasis on my vote on him. Tied together with the lack of a clear wolfread or push, Kokichi seems more concerned with defending himself either by discrediting my read or by getting me to change my mind.

Ruby why do you still scumread me even though it was a misunderstanding

except kokichi that is

No idea why you refuse to reevaluate me.

Then why did Zoro say it was?

Either way, I like Ruby's posts but I don't like how he's tunneling over a page 2 post that is just initial reads.

notice how kokichi seems to constantly miss things in his catchup posts

him saying he was busy actually gave me some doubt on my read as that shit has burned me before trying to read people who were playing while distracted. here's the thing: if kokichi were a villager he'd spend the time he spends on his flurry posts reading closer and typing up more meaningful posts.

Look at my game that just ended, Asuka was in that game. I was saying I was busy in that game too. And I was town. So? I've just had a busy work schedule. Are you saying only town can pay attention? Scum is incapable of paying attention? Those are the only 2 options?

listen, nine times out of ten your initial gut instinct on something will be just as good if not ---far better--- than thinking about it for a month and a half

once the lurkers post or get subbed i'm ready to wrap this day up

If lynchers were normal, I'd say you were lyncher on me.

notice how kokichi seems to constantly miss things in his catchup posts

him saying he was busy actually gave me some doubt on my read as that shit has burned me before trying to read people who were playing while distracted. here's the thing: if kokichi were a villager he'd spend the time he spends on his flurry posts reading closer and typing up more meaningful posts.

Look at my game that just ended, Asuka was in that game. I was saying I was busy in that game too. And I was town. So? I've just had a busy work schedule. Are you saying only town can pay attention? Scum is incapable of paying attention? Those are the only 2 options?

you're missing my point, i'm inclined to think intentionally

i'm not calling you wolf because you're busy. never said that. what i said was that even when someone's busy there's a difference between the way an irl busy villager interacts with the game vs an irl busy wolf. that game you mentioned is actually a perfect contrast to this one. busy, start the game, admit you don't have reads. villager. nothing like this game.

That is not true at all

Ruby sticking to his page 2 read over an early read is worrying.

You have not tried to engage me at all, which is what I assume someone with a tunnel on someone would do

Because when I scumread someone, I try to engage them. To see if I'm making a mistake or if they are bad town. But, you havent even tried.

Let's say I'm lynched today and I flip town. Then what? Does that change your reads at all? Or say if I'm suddenly confirmed town right now, what about your reads change?

Ruby has just been tunneling me. Espionage voted me likely out of conf bias from another game [which he stated himself was very likely] and Maria has just parked her vote on me for no reason other than "connections" to other people yet has not even pushed her actual scum reads. If I was actually scummy, I could understand but the votes on me are terrible. I'm just tired of being mislynched EVERY. FUCKING GAME.

This is like my first game here. Which I believe Maria modded. Wisdom tunneled me for no God dam reason, and I was mislynched for no reason even though I believed I was trying hard like I am this game.

Its literally the same shit.

The one game where I've actually made it to end game as town I was 2/3 and lynched last mafia to win. So if I wasnt mislynched every game, maybe town would do better in games I'm town.

I'm certain I missed a few. The point stands. I think there are more posts of this nature than there are of Kokichi expressing a clear read on someone. What kind of mindset does that reveal?

[Ruby Red]

That's a lynch! Flip upcoming.

Vote Count 1.12
Lapsa[7]: Dunnstral, MariaR, Lapsa, Espeonage, Kokichi Oma, Ausuka, Mumble[Lynch!]
Espeonage[2]:Something_Smart, Morality
Kokichi Oma[2]: Ruby Red, the worst
UnabombaH[1]: Zoronos
the worst[1]: UnabombaH

With 13 alive, it requires 7 to lynch
Day ends in 0 days, 10 hours, 30 minutes or when a lynch occurs

Welcome to TwoInAMillion's Mini Normal 2005: Fun With Decimals, Lapsa! You are a

Bulletproof Townie

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It is now night 1. Night ends in (expired on 2018-05-02 13:22:45).

Ausuka has been shot.

Welcome to TwoInAMillion's Mini Normal 2005: Fun With Decimals, Ausuka! You are a

Town One Shot Cop

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Kokichi Oma has been shot

Welcome to TwoInAMillion's Mini Normal 2005: Fun With Decimals, Kokichi Oma! You are a

Mafia Encryptor

. As long as you are alive, your faction has the ability of daytalk. If you die, the faction loses it's daytalk ability. You win with the mafia, and achieve victory when the mafia outnumber the town, or nothing can stop that from happening. Your mafia partners are Player X and Player Y. You have an encryptor, and will have day talk ability until the encryptor is killed. The mafia thread is located here. Please confirm via pm that you have read and understand your role pm. The game thread is here. and will begin when 11/13 players have confirmed.

FUCK YES

we're sheeping empress ruby now you fucks

[Ruby Red]

@The Worst - what made you decide to go from neutral/not liking Kokichi to voting him at the end after Lapsa was going down?

Don't even try this shit
1) reading more (was p transparent about how little I've read)
2) downreading the shit out of Ruby whose read made a lot of sense--like, 5 times more than most people who scumread Kokichi. That's worth.

Anyway 1 shot vig here claiming Koki kill. Yw ppl xxx

you're a legend, mason bud

saved me from having to fake a guilty

[Ruby Red]

THE GAME IS OVER

VOTE: MORALITY

knew his shit was chainsawing ever since he replaced in with his push on me

[Ruby Red]

RUBY I KEEP GETTING THIS URGE TO DOUBLE HIGH FIVE YOU FOR SOME REASON