In post 1146, CheekyTeeky wrote:If he is so convinced that Ank is scum why does Bu want to lynch Love?
Are you not reading my posts?
I have said multiple times that I am confident Ank is scum IF LOVE FLIPS TOWN.
If love flips scum it actually clears ank because of korina's push on love and ank going out of her way to go against the read of her predecessor.
Yeah I'm reading your posts and analysing them. You keep changing your shit and I'm actually getting tired of calling you out for it. I'm going to wait for others to post because you're both just infuriating me.
Please read 1128 carefully and watch how they change now. I have no idea why you want Buj to be town so much that you ignore all the evidence I've presented.
I would vote ank today but I am less confident that love is scum if ank flips town first than I am that ank is scum if love flips town first. Does that make sense?
No that makes Zero sense. Sounds like you just don't want your plan ruined.
Yeah it is good, I'm just frustrated that the cop claimed because you guys could've had 2 conf town or 1 guilty tomorrow. Now we go into tomorrow with max 1 conf. town.
I mean I had my moment of suspicion with BV, but when I started ISO digging I was so set on Bu that I don't think I would've pushed BV to the point of claiming.
BV I voiced my concerns about you ----> did my homework ----> scum read BuJaber ------> Called you guys a team based on the actions of your partner and the existing framework of town reads for me. When Ico said we should lynch you instead of Bu and I admitted my associations are generally garbage so would rather Lynch Bu, that was before I knew you were the cop and that doesn't make a hell of a lot of sense as me opportunistically trying to lynch you given I'd explained my reason for the association along with my confidence level of the read. It was only when BuJaber spewed his partner that I became confident in a Bu/Ank team.
Me scum reading BV obviously can come from a town PoV given the doc was willing to lynch you over Bu.
Also level of effort is 100% NAI. I've got 4 games going and have to choose where to focus as I don't have all day to play mafia. I focussed here once everyone had caught up/been replaced which I said I would at the start. This is the weakest reason to SR me.
In post 1218, BlackVoid wrote:Obviously, townies can scumread me. That's not my issue though. I don't understand what was unclear about why I townread Iconeum before we heard from everyone. You haven't disputed my logic that if Iconeum was scum, he would not fake-claim doc. He'd either fake-claim cop to out the real one or VT if he wanted to try to survive based on play alone. I keep bringing it up and you keep talking around it. What exactly is your issue with my logic?
From my experience scum have the easiest time accepting a claim they do not wish to CC for reasons that make sense from a scum pov.
I'll be back soon have to drop my girl off at school. Brb.
In post 1160, CheekyTeeky wrote:Please read 1128 carefully and watch how they change now. I have no idea why you want Buj to be town so much that you ignore all the evidence I've presented.
Hi BV I think this is where I came to the conclusion that Love is likely town. If you write down all the teams that Bu keeps spitting out from this point you'll find that a lot of logic makes no sense and he keeps shifting direction. Also when given the opportunity to lynch Ank he gave a completely non-sensical reason for why Love had to be lynched first.
If he were town, from his own reasoning Ank would be the most likely to flip scum as he keeps saying "lynch Ank tomorrow so it's not a autoloss" which implicitly states that Love is town otherwise there's no chance of it being Lylo tomorrow. Furthermore, if he is so sure of Ank and Lylo tomorrow why is he pushing so hard on Love/now me?
No objections but I'd prefer to wait for GL/Love input before we wagon up. Further I would prefer Bu because I know he's wiggling out of the noose tomorrow.
Tell me what the best idea is then? I've said I want Bu and given very solid evidence and yet people are refusing to listen. Bu has clearly implicated you as scum and yet does nothing to push you.
Rather than telling me I have bad ideas, I'd appreciate a way to town read you as you're making little sense also.
Ok in this game we have 7 players. 2 are now conf-town which leaves
GreenLiquid
Lovebird
Ankamius
BuJaber
CheekyTeeky
As potential scum.
GreenLiquid seems to have a universal town read, which is interesting because BuJaber tunneled him pretty hard and just stopped and is now basically treating him as conf. town "GL will have to choose between me and Cheeky (at lylo)"
Lovebird - I don't see Love saying she still thinks Ico is scum after a doc claim from Ico, as scum. I've also just had the same gut feeling like I did with NM that scum are pushing the wagon. This is reinforced by my earlier logic of Love likely being town on a Bu scumflip.
Ankamius was Korina was Christopher - I SR Chris --> was distracted by Rask --> PoEd Chris likely town from ZZZX/Rask scum team (oh lol). D2 Korina came in pushing me hard and with literally no reads that had substance. I think based on the Korina push alone I am not likely buddies with the Ank slot. Ank now looks like they're trying to find an out instead of solving the game.
BuJaber I've given plenty of reasons on and only seems to make sense as scum with Ank.
CheekyTeeky obviously I know I'm town.
From my point of view the only teams that make sense now are:
BuJaber/Ankamius
GL/Lovebird
And GL/Lovebird feels very unlikely. If I'm 100% wrong on BuJaber then that is the team but I know I've effectively thrown the game if that's the case...which I would not do intentionally or take lightly.
In post 1235, Ankamius wrote:I'm trying to find an out by... pushing my scum partner?
You mean the "noone is going to listen to me on a Rask Lynch" after the "why are people scum reading Love she's the towniest person here" to "Maybe we should lynch love"
Lmfao if love is scum and the team is Love/GL since they seem to be avoiding the thread.
BV can you objectively double check GL as conf town? I feel like I'm losing my mind but I think Anks PoV on lynching Love only makes sense if Ank is town - she wouldn't push that line of reasoning as scum would she?
Hmm just reread GL. I can't really fault the guy except his behaviour around NM byt he's ticking all the town boxes otherwise. If GL is scum he deserves the win tbh.
Love/Ank is starting to look like it makes sense if we can see Love voting Korina as distancing after pressure, particularly if you take her saying "Korina is a mislynch" a couple of times eariler in the day in response to Bu thinking one of the two are scum. Occams razor says Bu/Ank makes sense while Love/Ank can make sense too if you reread Love's ISO and notice her lack of real interactions with the Chris/Korina/Ank slot.
Ank is the common scum read so is very likely the optimal lynch for today with highest scum equity.
BuJaber has scum claimed. I've reISOd at least 5 times on you guys and shown actions that don't make sense coming from scum. I've opened my tunnel to consider other possibilities and you morons keep being butt hurt about me suspecting each of you
Like actually deuces. Thanks for the epic waste of time.
GL. There's literally no point. Town has lost whether I'm right or wrong with two conf towns with no brains. My posts say Bu/Ank and I got paranoid you/Love weren't here so looking back at Love I can see possibility of Love/Ank. If you're scum idc I'm actually happy for you as I'm not even considering that possibility today and you've played well. I am not usually this toxic, I'm just extremely frustrated with mafia in general atm. So sorry for being an ass but I don't see how town wins from here even if we lynch right today.
Well I'm calm now. I appreciate the fact I could be wrong and will stop packing a tantrum. Yes he's my scum read but I am not a god and GL will see what I'm writing here and lynch me.
In post 1358, BlackVoid wrote:How are you suddenly 100% on GL being town. Considering one of your townreads flipped town (or at least claims to be town after lynch), I'd expect everyone would drop down in your POE as opposed to being more certain of them being town.
I just refuse to believe someone is that good at scum. Love has to be scum and I've already shared my thoughts about Bu. Like I said if GL is scum I don't mind losing.
Anyway I say this to save you the trouble not to prevent my lynch. No amount of evidence will ever convince you guys I'm town so just stop looking for reasons to scum read me.