Do you have to "intent to hammer"?

[Kublai Khan]

Naw. Depends on individuals.

It's town to announce your intention to hammer because then the near-lynch knows how close to the edge they are and will co-operate with the will of the town.

But there's always been knuckleheads who act anti-town all the time because they don't mind losing town games so that they win more as scum. Because "lolz" are more important than winning. Avoid games with these people.

[Kublai Khan]

Tom: "Hi guys ima hammer soon okay"
Bob: "OH NO UNVOTE: "
Sam: "Yeah this day needs to last 5 more weeks to be somewhat productive UNVOTE: "
Tom: "zzzzzzzzzzz"

5 weeks later

Mulch has been lynched, he was a

Scum

vs.

Tom: "VOTE: Ali"

Alisae was lynched, they were

Townie

Countering argument with same strength argument.

[Kublai Khan]

My point was that there's nothing inherently bad in the former case, and it's sometimes better if Tom is reasonably sure that said L-1'd person is scum and Tom also suspects that town will potentially be "fooled" off the lynch given more time.

True, but I argue that the fact that Bob and Tom were willing to L-1 someone but not lynch is indicative of being likely bussing scummates. It's a good info boost to consider.

[Kublai Khan]

Yes, maybe. I think there's a rather large set of people who have been brought up on the "extending discussion" and that would dilute things a little but in a concrete game with specific individuals there is a potential info boost there yeah.

I think for most players this is probably a "learn the fundamentals first then break them" type of thing with the intent declaration being the "by the book play" that's correct more often than not. If anything declaring intent a bunch teaches you about the cases where it may have been better not to, while I think the educational value the other way around is comparatively lacking.

Yeah. Absolutely agree. I think people too often try for the thrill of individual heroics where methodical scum-hunting is needed.

There are times where a illogical town play shocks scum and can force scum to expose themselves. But if illogical town play is common, scum will anticipate that and mimic it in a beneficial manner.

Being methodical and fundamentally boring is effective is more effective in the long run. 85% of the time sounds about right.

[Kublai Khan]

If there were any 'have to' aspects of mafia, every game would become more and more formulaic. If someone does or does not intent before hammering, it gives you something to discuss which is only a good thing.

Right. My arguments where that if all town action fall in a range;

Formulaic ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chaotic

Where procedural stuff like announcing to claim falls under formulaic and instinctual stuff like just hammering without discussion falls under Chaotic.

Being formulaic is beneficial most of the time, but not every time. Whereas the more chaotic town behavior is, the less their chance of victory.

[Kublai Khan]

Stating intent to hammer is bad. You want to quickhammer asap and unexpectedly. This prevents the mafia from fakeclaiming cop and A. Avoiding the lynch or B. Getting counterclaims which leads to your cop dying Night 1.

So all you have to pressure people with is a weak "oh no, you're at L-2. Maybe two more people might be willing to lynch...."?

[Kublai Khan]

Lol posting intent

Intent to hammer should always be given

lmao

Ali your triple banner led me to believe you were grounded on good fundamental play even if you did have lolbalance tendencies.

I am disappoint Ali ... you broke my heart ....

I’m trolling

[Kublai Khan]

No, I'm actually annoyed by the trolling. I get that it's a thing in the regular discussion forums, but Mafia Discussion is supposed to be held to a higher standard. People should be able to discuss the game of mafia without having to worry about reading between the lines to figure out someone's true feelings about a topic.

Don't troll, just answer seriously.

[Kublai Khan]

No, I'm actually annoyed

eh you’ll get over it in a few days.

Listen kid...

If people think that you're a really good player, then keep the myth going by not posting bad advice in Mafia Discussion.

Or, actually help people by giving good advice and counsel.