In post 1848, Oxy wrote:I understood you, Pin. I think you were pretty clear, and I agree. It's not a townie thought process to immediately jump to "I wouldn't be in charge of the lynch!"
I mean, that's just a fact based on my submissive personality but alright.
I scumread you because of meta ---> the worst dies ---> in 714 you tended to suggest we should kill the ones with good reads instead of people difficult to mislynch or someone we suspected it could be a PR ---> the worst was mislynchable, so I think he could had good early reads (note to the word EARLY please) ---> I'm a good PR hunter (and OF COURSE you want to PR hunt when town so you don't push too hard a PR to avoid a claim) and I didn't catch the worst' crumbs (I still think his crumbing was not even intended) ---> conclusion: the worst was killed because of his reads, and he was scumreading mutant almost all the day (even if he suspected you less at the end, Iconeum's flip could turn that again).
So, added to MY OWN SCUMREAD on you, the worst's dead could mean you are effectively scum, BUT THIS CASE IS NOT ONLY BASED ON FUCKING NIGHT KILL ANALYSIS.
The point is not that you dictated the kill, but that the worst was dangerous for scum for a different reason of being a PR, period.
Also, you said "your reason here is close to what I was thinking, but not quite right" and then said that "the reason is the one I dismissed", inconsistency. If I dismissed it, then my reason wasn't close at all.
Mutant this post is clear as water, if you don't agree, no problem, I could be wrong and I assume that, but please don't ask as if there's no logic behind it and start asking 10 questions at the same time
Assume Pintu is town, because I'm pretty confident in that read.
How does that change your reads?
The only read I see that changing is restored confidence in my town read on you. Other than that, it wouldn't mean anything.
On the other hand, if Pintu was town and not tunneling me, then maybe I could spend this day doing what I want to do with it, eg. pushing ceejay, instead of having to put so much time and effort into responding to him and you.
Theory: Pintu wouldn't even be scum reading me if I never stated that I was gut scum reading him.
If I recall correctly, I don't think we interacted much at all until that. His whole position on me feels like backlash on me for simply stating a read (which I wasn't even pushing).
Nvm, just checked and he did mention meta scum leans on me but never elaborated. I still think he wouldn't be pushing this hard though.
In post 1858, Oxy wrote:This is sort of weird. We're voting on town bloc boys ;P
Ok let's go
VOTE: Ceejay
(I never gave Ceejay a song, actually)
(and I think Ceejay is mutant's partner and he's trying to distance so if he gets lynched (he will), ceejay will be less suspicious. ceejay voted for mutant on D1 when there were 5 votes on him and the other 4 votes were coming from imo, so that could be distancing too, but don't tell mutant my plan!!)
I'm here, though not for long. Going to log back into Eddie and answer some more of my GTKAS ( viewtopic.php?f=61&t=76053 self plug ). Feel free to address whatever, I'm caught up and I'll respond to whatever after I'm done. Only bothering to post this because Alonzo beetlejuiced me.
In post 1852, pinturicchio wrote:I scumread you because of meta ---> the worst dies ---> in 714 you tended to suggest we should kill the ones with good reads instead of people difficult to mislynch or someone we suspected it could be a PR ---> the worst was mislynchable, so I think he could had good early reads (note to the word EARLY please) ---> I'm a good PR hunter (and OF COURSE you want to PR hunt when town so you don't push too hard a PR to avoid a claim) and I didn't catch the worst' crumbs (I still think his crumbing was not even intended) ---> conclusion: the worst was killed because of his reads, and he was scumreading mutant almost all the day (even if he suspected you less at the end, Iconeum's flip could turn that again).
So, added to MY OWN SCUMREAD on you, the worst's dead could mean you are effectively scum, BUT THIS CASE IS NOT ONLY BASED ON FUCKING NIGHT KILL ANALYSIS.
The point is not that you dictated the kill, but that the worst was dangerous for scum for a different reason of being a PR, period.
Also, you said "your reason here is close to what I was thinking, but not quite right" and then said that "the reason is the one I dismissed", inconsistency. If I dismissed it, then my reason wasn't close at all.
I don't recall you ever stating your meta reason for scum leaning* me besides the meta surrounding the worst.
In 714 A50's reads wasn't the central reason I wanted him dead, that only added to it. As I've said, A50 is a strong reliable player who many people in that game trusted. Furthermore, he is very difficult to mislynch. That's why it was such an achievement that you managed to do it.
I never suggested we kill the people with good reads. I just said we shouldn't kill the people with bad ones because they are less likely to catch us. I was prioritising PR hunting, hence my suggestions of Jay and NSG.
I also opposed killing people who were mislynchable. I don't get why you're saying the worst was mislynchable like that was a reason I'd want him dead.
Just because you consider yourself a good PR hunter doesn't mean you wouldn't miss the worst's soft claim. As you said, you weren't even looking. Scum would be.
If the worst was dangerous to the scum team, then that would mean he scum read other's on the scum team. If you genuinly believe this, why aren't you bringing up anyone that could be my scum partner that the worst also scum read?
Did you even read your own post that I was referring to with your reason being close? It was close in the sense that it was meta to do with my attitude in our scum game. But you dismissed the idea that I would have spotted the soft claim because apparently you are the best PR hunter in the world and if you didn't spot it then no one could. Newsflash: Oxy spotted it.
I think you're problem here Pintu is that you're misinterpreting my actions in 714 and applying them incorrectly as meta against me here.
Spoiler: Let me remind you of some of my stances in 714
Let me just clarify that this wasn't about reads alone. PRs are priority threat.
Again, the reads aren't the threat. It's having the reads and being a PR that's dangerous.
Accurate reads not the threat, A50 is the threat in general due to this way of playing. Him being accuarate is just fuel to the fire of wanting him dead because we never know when he's being accurate or not.
A50 was primarily a threat because he's a strong player with a high win rate. As I've been trying to tell you, his reads just made me want him dead more.
Not saying we should lynch people with strong read, just saying people with shit ones should be let live.
I clearly don't want to be killing good misslynch candidates even when I suspect them as PRs. We investigated NSG that night.
PR hunting is clealry my top priority as scum.
Again, I wanted him alive because his reads were shit and he was lynch bait. It wasn't that I wanted to kill people with good reads. Of course, we shot Creature that night.
Towards the end, I was heavily concerned with NSG and Gamma's reads. But that's not because I want people with good reads dead, it's because they were both PRs.
Conclusion: most of my scum motivation was in treating PRs with good reads as top priority threats. You've been mistaking it as treating good reads as threats. This is why I would have expected you to accuse me of scum catching a PR rather than scum shooting someone with good reads.
In post 1857, pinturicchio wrote:@mutant I already said you don't have to answer me because we are scumreading each other, so go for it, make a case on ceejay. Even better!
I'll do this within the next day or so.
In post 1860, pinturicchio wrote:(and I think Ceejay is mutant's partner and he's trying to distance so if he gets lynched (he will), ceejay will be less suspicious. ceejay voted for mutant on D1 when there were 5 votes on him and the other 4 votes were coming from imo, so that could be distancing too, but don't tell mutant my plan!!)
Just know that I'm perfectly willing to lynch this scum partner
"If the worst was dangerous to the scum team, then that would mean he scum read other's on the scum team. If you genuinly believe this, why aren't you bringing up anyone that could be my scum partner that the worst also scum read?"
This is exactly what I was talking about: I thought it was weird you started pointing out that "why would I direct the kill" instead of asking this if you're already scumreading me. Too late.
"But you dismissed the idea that I would have spotted the soft claim because apparently you are the best PR hunter in the world and if you didn't spot it then no one could."
Mutant used shading. It's not very effective. I said I'm a good PR hunter, what's wrong with being confident on that? And I said that I believe that what Oxy pointed out was not intended as crumb.
Strike three on your awful tone towards me. Goodnight
"If the worst was dangerous to the scum team, then that would mean he scum read other's on the scum team. If you genuinly believe this, why aren't you bringing up anyone that could be my scum partner that the worst also scum read?"
This is exactly what I was talking about: I thought it was weird you started pointing out that "why would I direct the kill" instead of asking this if you're already scumreading me. Too late.
"But you dismissed the idea that I would have spotted the soft claim because apparently you are the best PR hunter in the world and if you didn't spot it then no one could."
Mutant used shading. It's not very effective. I said I'm a good PR hunter, what's wrong with being confident on that? And I said that I believe that what Oxy pointed out was not intended as crumb.
Strike three on your awful tone towards me. Goodnight
It's an obvious question that really didn't need asking because you should have already been stating it... but of course you don't take this opportunity to answer it.
Also, just because it wasn't intended as a crumb but that doesn't mean he wasn't slipping his role and that doesn't mean mafia wouldn't have interpreted it as one. I assure you that I didn't intend on crumbing I was the doctor in Open 701.
Not sure if you're trying to call me out for a scum tone or a hostile one. If you mean a hostile one then you're right. I'm tired. I'm hungry. I want to go to sleep. But I'm stuck doing boring annotations for my course work. Basically, not in a mood to tolerate your BS and I'm getting frustrated easily. I assure you I will be back to my normal passive, only slightly shady, self when I've had some sleep. Which will probably be tommorow rather than later today.
I mostly just lurk now.