Touhou UCanPick 5 - [Game Over]

[Lexa]

sure why not

Vote Gamme Emerald[/v]

Not going to look at this game much until the mini normal day ends

[Lexa]

this game has shorter deadlines than a mini normal so that might not be a good idea

nice to see you lexa, i've heard good things about you though

Already been a Lynch D1 so I'm paying attention to twilight rn

[Lexa]

That's public information? There's a mod acknowledged hammer dunno why saying what the current phase is of a game would be restricted

[Lexa]

fuck off

[Lexa]

Eddie don't be a dick remember I subbed the last time I had two games concurrently I'd like to not do that this time

[Lexa]

Y'all are really boring to skim through

Agree DLE is probably town

[Lexa]

lexa do you have any scumreads?

No I've literally just skimmed at work

[Lexa]

probably

[Lexa]

Tbf Eddie u are kinda a shit communicator

[Lexa]

VOTE: Lexa

Posting hasn't gotten better.

Also can you elaborate more human, that analysis of TG seems... all over the place?

I also apologize for text editor, I was pretty tired when I wrote that post, I just wanted to have some content this game.

What posting exactly

Definition of a low hanging fruit vote

[Lexa]

well don't you all feel lucky, now i get to only have this game to give attention to

[Lexa]

Verify that or wait for a vote count and I'll enable the vig

[Lexa]

VOTE: Brian Skies

[Lexa]

Lexa and HS talk to me about your reads

don't have any i've been johning on doing work for this

guess i actually have to start that now huh

didn't you say your vig was only active on day 1?

[Lexa]

or was it just that you would probably die if you got it off so it was only functionally active d1?

[Lexa]

prolly going to have to wall post this

anyone vehemently opposed to reading walls?

fuckin jalmont pissed me off the last time just refusing to read it :/

tho only dle knows who that is ig

[Lexa]

also eddie's reads are notoriously strong and sheeping him isn't a bad plan at all, good odds he's at least 80% right on his calls

[Lexa]

think i'm going to work through in 4-5 page chunks, hopefully cover the thread by bed


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gonna work through thoughts on katyusha's claim i guess. i think the way they've gone about announcing it is generally pro-town and the justifications for it are strong but i'm concerned their town read is based too much on the claim. it's set up in a way that if katy were to be scum they still have control over directing their kill towards not!scum by virtue of claiming a town read, or as we've seen potentially by a scum self hammer a la brian, while simultaneously removing the option of anyone else with a phase 1 action from using what may also be a strong action. if they're scum this can turn into a pretty easy free 'mislynch' on town. that being said, this is less of an actual concern and more of a contingency to watch out for if any other red flags show up from katy, from a role function perspective this seems as similar to claiming miller/ascetic as anything else


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[quote=Elbirn]"Lets shade the person with a confirmable town ability for some reason"[/quote]
Confirmable, sure. How could you ever know it's a town role?


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suck my lurky dick eddie


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content is bleh tone reads pretty town here from elbirn. easy to slip into the mindset he's in as town with justified indignation at being discredited, this early in the game scum is more likely to defend their stance than push back


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nothing concrete about 83/84 but just blehhhh posts


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brians first post. obviously nothing too damning but some things that i think are reasonable if you give it a bit of leeway
[quote=Brian]Considering I actually have an appropriately themed avatar and my account is older than yours, how about we just oust you instead?[/quote]
brian's second quote is a pushback against sky. oust carries pretty aggressive connotations and pushing back at sky with the implicit suggestion of a lynch in this way seems unlikely to come against scum paladin. hard to see brian's mindset as scum, especially one who's somewhat less experience, where he wants to aggressively distance from a buddy this early. i think this breaks in favour of sky paladin


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find it odd that text generator also caught the "explicitly town role" thing but didn't push on it as a result


dinner now, will come back to this after

[Lexa]

5-8

haven't seen anything specific from gamma to this point but 111 is something of a mindmeld so notable enough to mention. dont agree with his other sorting thing with brian but whatever works for you i guess. his posts have an air of...confidence which i find interesting, if not specifically indicative of anything. could see a situation where gamma feels like he's caught brian and he's in the flow of the game and he's in control.


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this is actually a pretty valid reason to give katy a pass on role alone. conditional on her actually activating her role ofc


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i actually agree with human here, but at the same time i'm wondering if this is a scum waffle. like they want to push gamma for making a bad post but they don't think they can make a case against him without coming under fire cause the post is bad but not scummy, so they hedge their post to shade gamme but protect themselves. not really an impactful post of its own accord, but this is the first conscious thought i'm had about human so i'm noting it


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agree with this. very blatantly. too obvious a defense? not sure if this is a site distinction but on smogon scum partners don't tend to mind shading their partners if they make bad posts vs soft defending them, win in lylo a lot. not sure if the soft defense is reliable here


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this seems worse than human tbh, too much towards the flippant side of the defense, not enough of the confident read side to be a misguided town


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Eddie and probably one of Kiana or Lexa are scum; BS is provisionally town. The composition of the BS wagon, for the record, is actually bad. Gaiden might be scum too.

Katyusha changed her claim and should vig the L-1 wagon

after

an unvote to prove that her role is actually what she just said. If she can vig anyone who has ever been at L-1, I'd agree that that seems unlikely as a scum role.

VOTE: eddie cane

what the hell is this post

don't even know what to think about this right now red flag need to come back to tg hard

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eh, justifies eddie read a bit, curious where TG ends up at on a brian read/wagon

[Lexa]

man fuck walls

[Lexa]

9-12

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first thing i remember having any thought about on hebi, nothing specifically indicative but gut feels town, just sounds really pure


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ooh good catch, didn't notice that on human. yeah just calling gammas post bad but not scummy while you're voting for him definitely lines up with the scum waffle, first real lead, good place to do this

VOTE: Human Sequencer

I'm easy to talk to, I'll always work with people.

lel


these are some really empty posts i'm going through atm :/ only thing of any note through 259 is katy p much solidifying as town, super strong tone in the last several pages on top of the other points in favour

also reading elbirn is like watching paint dry


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agree that dle's posts have been ones more typically in his town wheelhouse, but they also aren't out of his scum one. null for me atm


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its at this point that i realize someone named gaiden is actually in this game o_o

i thought it was some rando that everyone else had played with a bunch...


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interesting that TG chooses to develop a read on kiana who hasn't really been in the thread at all while ignoring me when he'd had us both in the same category in 185. idk i'm feeling really null on this slot, their pushes and targets seem really off and stretchy and their softing of brian/maybe human looks bad but nothing they're saying actually really bleeds noticeably scummy. might just be town who's off the game atm.


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possible tvs with human/tg?


page 12 got a bit more interesting which i'm grateful for cause 10-11 fucking sucked to get through

[Lexa]

vig into lynch on human+text feels like a good space to aim for rn

[Lexa]

13-15

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TG abandoning brian to his doom on page 13 is a bit of an odd move to make as scum when you've already established a null read on him. reckon this speaks more in favour of town!tg


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purr is reading like how transcend plays when he's trolling as scum


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Kiana's whole series here is a very good look. Brian would have had to become the designated bus for scum at this point for this to be scum!kiana

[Lexa]

just had a thought, human was the counterwagon to brian right? what reasons does brian have to self hammer other than to brick the vig if he's not giving his buddy a shot to live

[Lexa]

definitely thinking we vig human and put the votes on text, text is the next in line but i'm not sold on their alignment and i think they can be sorted with a wagon

[Lexa]

16-now

eod1 is pretty meaningless. brian's case on katy is a little concerning, but if and only if katy lives to lylo


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@katy why is dunnstral here? i haven't seen anything meaningful from them and they're firmly in my poe


this is a bad look for text

elbirn is correct about the vig thing. If anyone can rolecop, I have a 100% never scum role.

in their iso they have the following

I don't buy that Katyusha's role is explicitly town. I'd like a flavor claims as well as a claim of any other effects

For the night action thing, I think it's probably best for people to claim if/when they think their card will be useful.

Reeeeally large disparity between believing that they're role is definitively confirmable as town by its existence alone while denying katy the same opportunity AND then claiming that they have a confirmable role but not adhering to their stated idea of claiming when the card is useful

purr is reading like how transcend plays when he's trolling as scum

theyre not similar players i'll say that much lol

purrcs what do u think of human though

and Text Gen I guess I can agree about Kiana's catchup itself being a possible buddy sort of thing, but I kind of trust in Eddie's read there which is why I townlocked her. Plus I liked some of the more original ideas she contributed. If I'm going to change it it'll be based on what she does today

pedit: 2 votes is a generous counterwagon imo, but that's a plausible theory too. Would scum want town to get a double day if it ended in a mislynch? I still kind of think no but idk

i'm really not liking purr's tone though and i'd have no problem with them dying, you disagree?

[Lexa]

ok i'm caught up

see you in 20 pages

[Lexa]

town: me, katy, probably kiana, probably sky, maybe elbirn, gamma i guess

null: dle, dunnstral, who's hebi again?, also gaiden is apparently a thing

scum: human, maybe text, probably purr

[Lexa]

13-15

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TG abandoning brian to his doom on page 13 is a bit of an odd move to make as scum when you've already established a null read on him. reckon this speaks more in favour of town!tg

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Kiana's whole series here is a very good look. Brian would have had to become the designated bus for scum at this point for this to be scum!kiana

what are your thoughts here now?

it's been 21 minutes since i had those thoughts

elaborate?

[Lexa]

i don't think brian became the designated bus in the span of 8 pages so

[Lexa]

what is wrong with my tone? like i know im dumb as fuck but its a stretch to sr me for that
in the words of kat, your chakras aren't blitzed

super trolly but not in a purposeful way

[Lexa]

also this

text generator is town and human hasn't done anything scummy x_x

[Lexa]

i'm really not liking purr's tone though and i'd have no problem with them dying, you disagree?

yeah i get the read is kind of meta-y soul-y and not something someone from offsite would vibe with but it's what im feeling right now. i havent really pushed it that hard on kiana as a result, eddie i kind of expected to agree with me and he did eventually come around so

i feel the soul reads

they pretty much won't ever leave my poe at this pace but also little reason to push them outside of a guilty

[Lexa]

probably

[Lexa]

just had a thought, human was the counterwagon to brian right? what reasons does brian have to self hammer other than to brick the vig if he's not giving his buddy a shot to live

I think in all situations, telling the vig to go fuck themselves is the correct play as scum

But I could be wrong? Idk. I think given that there were *two* votes on Human we should be looking at where the mood was yesterday, who would have been the second lynch..which uh....was Human.

So nevermind this whole post, basically.

Hey so I don't know why YOU people are scumreading Text cuz I had liked his content but now his joining the brian wagon seemed not-right, someone look at that

*back to work*



Pedit: fuck you all for talking too much I'm not reading any of that

you should read it cause there's stuff referenced about his joining the brian wagon

[Lexa]

and yeah if it wasn't abundantly obvious im putting lexa in my townlock pile

as much as i appreciate i'd rather you spell out why

pocket cramp my style

[Lexa]

i do try and make the scum walls nuanced too bu yeah there probably is a readable difference

[Lexa]

text you're going to have to go more into depth on your reads, you don't have the capital backing you up right now to drop them naked

atm they have no credibility with you sitting number two on the chopping block

[Lexa]

hebi feels "off" but not in a meaningful way atm

[Lexa]

@mod maybe this is just a me problem but I find the vote counts a bit hard to read, might help if people who don't have votes on them are excluded from the list of wagons

[Lexa]

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ooh good catch, didn't notice that on human. yeah just calling gammas post bad but not scummy while you're voting for him definitely lines up with the scum waffle, first real lead, good place to do this

VOTE: Human Sequencer

shit like this is just a fuckin joke
like look at my vote

my only read from the last 4 pages is that Elibirn is a cool dude

vote gamma

voting gamma is always a nice time tho

are you for real
are you actually taking this seriously

You seem very invested in not being scumread for your actions towards gamma

Not so much invested in finding scum

[Lexa]

Finding alternatives to yourself

[Lexa]

Purr talk to me about where your reads are at and why

[Lexa]

Per my walls DLE is null because he's being town read for his quips and tone, things that are generally indicative of townDLE but aren't prohibitive of his scum game. He's fine on the town side but needs to be further evaluated later on

[Lexa]

I don't mind the idea but FGs vote counts are way too infrequent

I'd rather just vig someone like human who can't really be allowed to live to lylo at this point

[Lexa]

Can we vig someone already I want more associatives

[Lexa]

i support this plan

[Lexa]

*narrows eyes at purr shading elbirn for content while not having content of their own*

[Lexa]

*narrows eyes at purr shading elbirn for content while not having content of their own*

ya dont u hate that im getting town pass flr this activity

is there antthing u would like my input on causw i am qaiting for a reply from hs and elborn

purrcs i really hate that im reading you without The Tell this game

honestly i wish i rolled scum so i could obliterate you

ur mans eddie the only 1 im shook of
no flex

ya how bout the fuckin game state

i'd like your troll:content ration to go from 90:10 to at least 60:40

[Lexa]

dle stop lurking and powertown with me pls

[Lexa]

these two hoes are too busy getting busy i need a paramour

[Lexa]

Where is princess kiana

Princess Kiana is busy with royal business. I appreciate the love, but I don't think much of value has been posted so far, and it's been barely 48 hour since day started, so I don't get what's the big deal.

you have no opinion on content that katy or i have posted?

do you have an opinion on human's impending death or text gen's recent towny streak

do you think purr should die

[Lexa]

eod1 is pretty meaningless. brian's case on katy is a little concerning, but if and only if katy lives to lylo

Can you please explain what's so concerning about Brian's "case"?

without remembering exactly the context it was something along the lines of what could be interpreted as a clumsy attempt to distance from a scumbbuddy late, but given brian's position in the game he was probably just throwing shit at the wall, again only worth considering if katy makes lylo

[Lexa]

i want to see two more votes onto HS that sit until the next VC so we can enable the vig

[Lexa]

gaiden have you posted reads at all this game

or pressured anybody

or done anything

[Lexa]

at what point do we dayvig lexa

three cycles after we lynch you

[Lexa]

I keep telling you that we can follow Eddie for now, dles tone is more in his town game. Just is possible from his scum game too

[Lexa]

I've been low key sus of kiana but being a pressure on both of Brian and hS kind of alleviates the concern

[Lexa]

VOTE: Text Gen

[Lexa]

Who wants to turbo

[Lexa]

No like legit let's turbo

I'm not used to catching so many scum so fast

[Lexa]

I have no interest in claiming and see no reason to give the remaining scum an easier job of optimizing their kills

[Lexa]

Hard claim jester

[Lexa]

I have no interest in claiming and see no reason to give the remaining scum an easier job of optimizing their kills

this is my general thought process on most claims but from reading it seems there's enough claims that there's at least benefit in claiming cop vs not-cop

I'm not cop.

That was my first thought as well but I don't think anyone is going to be able to determine balance based on number of possible cop claims

[Lexa]

Judging by the lack of resistance it's probably fair to say TGs Lynch doesn't end the game, though whether that's because there's four scum or not who knows

[Lexa]

Y'all seem to be really underselling the "one action per cycle" thing

The entire reason there's multiple cops and vigges is because some are guaranteed to die before they can use their power

[Lexa]

There are zero guarantees Katy plays the dayvig as public rather than as sniper

[Lexa]

No dude you're just overestimating the reliability of getting off spell cards in every game state

[Lexa]

Lol are you seriously trying to push this on me

I said "ya there might be four scum we don't know" and you're adamantly defending that there can only ever be three

[Lexa]

How is it insane exactly if we have known vote manipulation mechanics that do not ensure that lylo is reached if the vigges misshoot

[Lexa]

Iirc human claimed vote manip too

[Lexa]

Oh I guess he didn't I was thinking of this

Regardless some setup spec before I get nuked

Seems like the main utility we have in cards is
a. Vote count trickery (we have Kats role as an example and the fact that fg is intentionally distancing votecounts, I doubt that'd be for just one role)
B. The status of whether somebody has or hasn't used their spell card, and also crushing said spellcards
(Dunn can cop cardcrushed players, elbirn can crush a players card, I can cop two players with cards and crush one)

[Lexa]

Chinese fire drill?

[Lexa]

Cursory reminder that we must Lynch before deadline

[Lexa]

I have a policy of lynching people who's only defense is mechanic spec

[Lexa]

Judging by the lack of resistance it's probably fair to say TGs Lynch doesn't end the game, though whether that's because there's four scum or not who knows

?

have you been in an apathetic town before lol we're getting lynches like candy

reading up still btw

What?

[Lexa]

Smogon does tend to have higher quality scum play than town play, though towns always have 3-4 strong players

[Lexa]

Everyone else has claimed abilities that are equally meaningful whenever they are used.

Without going into detail this is not a universal truth

[Lexa]

why are you town again

[Lexa]

{me, katy}
{gamma, kiana}
{elbirn, sky paladin, dle}
{purr, gaiden, hebi}

iDLE is usually town btw

[Lexa]

why am i claiming

im not claiming lol

[Lexa]

my power is already close to useless with how few scum are left, not removing its power completely by claiming

[Lexa]

part of it is a 2 card crush tho, that part is useless claimed or unclaimed

[Lexa]

VOTE: dle

Save you the time

[Lexa]

Also didn't say anything about a vig before subbing

[Lexa]

So how's life y'all?

[Lexa]

OK so;

Day 1:

Brian Skies [8]

- Sky_Paladin, Gamma Emerald,

Eddie Cane

,

Text Generator

, Katyusha, Kiana Kaslana, Lexa,

Brian Skies

[LYNCH]

Not helping:

Human Sequencer

[2] -

Dunnstral

, Purrcocet
Gamma Emerald [1] -

Human Sequencer

Lexa [1] - hebichan

Eddie Cane

[1] - Elbirn
Not Voting [2] - SXTLHGaiden, DaLetterEl

Day 2: Mislynch of Text Gen -

Text Generator [7]

- Sky_Paladin, Lexa, Gamma Emerald, Kiana Kaslana, hebichan, Purrcocet, Katyusha [LYNCH]

Not helping:
hebichan [1] - Elbirn
Not Voting [2] - SXTLHGaiden, DaLetterEl

Fun observations: Sky was first on all final wagons. I'm the doombringer!

Probably suspicious mostly of Elibirn's day 1 vote on Eddie Cane; followed by the vote on Hebichan day 2.
SXTLHGaiden has voted at various parts of the game so the unvote is strategic but I'm not interested in pursuing this slot while we have a psuedo-clear on him. Out of the two AFK'ers, I'd pick DaLetterEl for explosions.

I'm going to look at Lexa/Gamma this phase and see if I can sort them before Kiana gets back.

Lex/gamma before I get into it, want to explain your votes for day 1/day 2?

Check back through my walls and you'll see I came to the conclusion that Brian/Human were probably scum which ended up being similar to the popular opinion at the time.

Text Gen was my next best bet for scum, ended up expecting the green flip by the end but there really wasn't a better alternative at the position to deadline we ended up at and I was of the opinion that he couldn't be allowed to live to LYLO anyway barring a hard clear

[Lexa]

Don't shoot me you fuckstick

[Lexa]

Oh is that considered abusive here?

Soz it's meant good naturedly

[Lexa]

Eddie Cane [2] - Text Generator, Elbirn
Text Generator [1] - hebichan
Brian Skies [2] - Sky_Paladin, Gamma Emerald
DaLetterEl [1] - Purrcocet
Human Sequencer [3] - Dunnstral, Eddie Cane, Katyusha
Gamma Emerald [2] - Human Sequencer, DaLetterEl

Based solely on this VC, I'd look at lynching Elbrin or DaLetterL.

Can you explain why Gaiden is conftown?

I don't necessarily agree but iirc he has a soft clear from hebi's result who herself is not confirmed town

[Lexa]

Also hi Titus no deception this time

[Lexa]

Deadlines in 24h yeah?

Anyone object to clearing DLEs slot out?

[Lexa]

This looking like a no Lynch unless people suddenly come online

We have three hours

If people would kindly dogpile DLE (nico Robin) we really aren't getting better than this in the time we have left

[Lexa]

One hour

[Lexa]

I'm in favour of shooting

[Lexa]

VOTE: NicoRobin

You never of these days I'll get around to rereading the thread but in the interim this should have died yesterday

[Lexa]

One of these days wtf auto fill

[Lexa]

Wut

[Lexa]

that seems like a super unfair stance when they've subbed in 3 rl days ago and have 60 pages to catch up on

[Lexa]

Someone remind me who's claimed what

[Lexa]

I'm reminded of a thing, everyone should post full reads

Sky Pally you go first and popcorn it

[Lexa]

Popcorn means you pick the next person, and so on

[Lexa]

same reason as kiana

[Lexa]

No that was gamma

[Lexa]

I'm open to it

[Lexa]

3 votes on them atm

why is gamma not scum, do you have a clear on them?

[Lexa]

VOTE: Elbirn

[Lexa]

also yeah brian/titus(kiana)/dan(katy) are never lynches at this point pending review

in theory the poe wins even with 2 scum left, and obviously with one, though that makes gamma the optimal lynch today due to his hated putting him in lynch range on a mislynch today

[Lexa]

doing some reviews of interactions and such, i'll post if there's anything relevant

it's already all but confirmed, but katy/dan is never scum with brian

[Lexa]

brian's iso suggests an elbirn partnership, several instances of mentioning them off hand or referencing a read without ever really reading them or interacting with them. their other interactions with gamma et al read fairly genuine

brian started pressuring katy well before his massive case and that's the extra confirmation that she's never scum, we don't get paranoid over this one

[Lexa]

human's iso is pretty waste, he has a consistent town read on elbirn and a slight scum push on gamma but nothing specifically indicative of anything. elbirn has an odd counterclaim on human's role, need to check the timing on that

[Lexa]

I am ok with Elbrin Gamma or Robin lynches. Elbrin looks like he is trying to get people to turn against each other.

Please give examples for everyone when you have the time

just by the by this is an awful, terrible reaction to titus's post

[Lexa]

also sky is always town here, i was townreading them to begin with but their attempts to game solve and not lose to inactivity are transparently genuine

me/sky/dan are always town, titus tbd

[Lexa]

current inclination is to make our last two lynches elbirn --> dle

still need to look at gamma but not feeling him as scum atm

[Lexa]

gamma town told

[Lexa]

gamma is generally town read across the playerbase, his posts have a general town tone and mindset, and he made one specific post that has absolutely zero scum equity. gamma gets lock towned

me/brian/dan/gamma - town
titus - to be reviewed, only scum if kiana hard bussed both partners
dle - who knows. when ive seen dle sub in the past its been as town so that's nice
elbirn - next to review, not looking good

[Lexa]

fun fact, elbirn's votes in this game have been purr (where it sat through deadline), hebi (where it sat through deadline), and sky pally (switched back to hebi)

zero votes on the conf scum, three votes on conf town and a vote on sky who is all but, plus wagon inactivity

[Lexa]

holy crap the first like 8 posts of elbirn's iso are the definition of LAMIST

[Lexa]

oh i forgot elbirn also voted eddie in between purr and hebi

[Lexa]

1. We should create a vote count with every player at L-1. This gives the vig the utility to shoot anyone without restriction, and avoids entirely the situation of scum getting to L-1 and then self hammering to gimp the vig. If scum does decide to over react to getting wagoned for utilitarian purposes and self hammers while not even actually being suspected, that's on them; we still killed scum.

Anyone who hammers one of these L-1 wagons is either confirmed scum or lynched by policy because don't fuck with me. I don't care if that player flips scum, the lol hammer might as well be scum going for town cred and should be made ded for being awful.

hahahaahahahahah

[Lexa]

I'm going to have to claim this eventually so my ability is also a card destroyer. Phase 1. I target a player and their card is destroyed, no muss, no fuss. I seem to be a counterclaim of sorts to human, but I'm conflicted because their role is so friggin convoluted and they used the same wording as my card (destroy)

I also bring this up because my role can enable the roles of others that require their target to not have a spellcard, for example Dunnstral. At the cost of screwing someone and doing a two phase combo, we can alignment check people.

People smarter than me can figure out what all of this means, goodnight starshines

this was the funny timing of his claim. this was ~15 posts after human claimed his role and elbirn decides to claim his unprompted. he states his role as a pseudo counter claim to HS but doesn't follow up. why doesnt he push? why doesnt he vote? why bother claiming here at all? possible looking for an excuse to get a claim out there before a scum role flips or to reduce the likelihood of being targetted for a card crush?

[Lexa]

at what point do we dayvig lexa

Lexa is town coalesce with me babe

this is the first time in the game they have mentioned my name

[Lexa]

@host would it be possible for you to show which players still have spell cards that are not used or crushed in the VC?

[Lexa]

Like I don't even know who robin is
Titus replaced DLE who I was townreading his tone but he did fuckall all game but also I think giving up as last scum would be such a douche move that I don't believe it

Who else is even left

implies elbirn/dle are not a team, elbirn would know who subbed for his partner

[Lexa]

so we lynch elbirn first and if the game doesnt end then we lynch dle if elbirn is town and titus if elbirn is scum

ez

[Lexa]

if elbirn does flip town though we'll need to quickhammer dle otherwise a theoretically dle/whomever pair can hammer gamma for a win

[Lexa]

Gamma isn't scum
I intend to vote robin but don't know if they're l-1

lel

[Lexa]

There's no way there's four scum with 15 players, that would mean we have 3 mislynches - 2 for the two vigs

good to think about tho

[Lexa]

Elbirn's role is useless when hebi's exists and your role is only worth 1 IC. (Because vigs aren't that good)

interesting

[Lexa]

In actual fact, I think your catch-ups look like they're constructed to reach a conclusion that you already decided on before you start posting them. Idk about HS and BS, but your posts read more like grandstanding to me than anything.

p-edit: I didn't call the entire player list scum. Here, I'll put a tier list

Kat, Gamma, Lexa
Purrcocet, KK
Gaiden, hebi
Elbirn, dunn
DLE, S

here's the legacy reads i was looking for, the one player who knew they were dying and had the time to make their best push as a now-confirmed town

[Lexa]

so we lynch elbirn first and if the game doesnt end then we lynch dle if elbirn is town and titus if elbirn is scum

ez

happy with this plan

only maybe wrinkle is dle claimed vig

[Lexa]

nico is dle slot fyi

yes

[Lexa]

and the manner in which you asked titus to substantiate their claim was an awful, terrible reaction

faaaaar too conciliatory to someone you supposedly suspect, you present as exceedingly self-conscious about how you look while questioning her

[Lexa]

so we lynch elbirn first and if the game doesnt end then we lynch dle if elbirn is town and titus if elbirn is scum

I am probably down with step 1 although I don't follow how town!Elbirn = scum!Titus. But that's okay, I'm banking on scum!Elbirn.

PoE

i decided that elbirn and DLE are never scum together, and the others are all town cleared fmpov. titus is the only possible remaining partner if there are two scum left. worst case scenario i'm wrong, elbirn is still scum, we mislynch titus and then we get dle in lylo

town!elbirn into scum!DLE should end game too though

[Lexa]

Elbirn is at L-1 with exactly 24 hours to deadline

Dan if you see this hammer is needed to lynch

[Lexa]

If you're town and there's one scum left and it's Nico then your sacrifice will not be in vain

[Lexa]

Yeah but lexa and sky have an inconquerable hateboner for me and I don't think Titus is even paying fucking attention to this game

I'll self hammer over a deadline

Also what? You've been in my "probably town" pile all game and I'm scum reading you now after rereading the game.

Good job on the sensationalist narrative though

[Lexa]

Ok, Lexa can you walk me through your analysis on your chain lynches?

It's in the series of posts/quotes made once I got to elbirn's iso

In summary, elbirn made a post where he stated that you had subbed in for DLE and some other stuff. This directly implies that DLE and elbirn aren't partners because elbirn would know who his partner was. Now, prefacing that I think there's only one scum left, if elbirn does flip scum you are the only option remaining by virtue of my belief in the town clears on the rest of the players. I think you're very unlikely to be scum however, because Kiana would have had to hard bus Brian and HS from day 1, so if elbirn flips town then we kill off the idler scum and be done with it

[Lexa]

Ok, Lexa can you walk me through your analysis on your chain lynches?

It's in the series of posts/quotes made once I got to elbirn's iso

In summary, elbirn made a post where he stated that you had subbed in for DLE and some other stuff. This directly implies that DLE and elbirn aren't partners because elbirn would know who his partner was. Now, prefacing that I think there's only one scum left, if elbirn does flip scum you are the only option remaining by virtue of my belief in the town clears on the rest of the players. I think you're very unlikely to be scum however, because Kiana would have had to hard bus Brian and HS from day 1, so if elbirn flips town then we kill off the idler scum and be done with it

Why Nico slot instead of Gamma though? I'm ok with all three. I just want to "vet" (poor word choice but tired) your thinking to try and get to the same place. Why only one scum remaining?

In reviewing gamma's iso I found their overall post tone and mindset to be towny. They've also been generally in the town side of things throughout a game without most of it's scum, in theory this is a situation where groupthink is effective.

Also they made one post that town told super hard because they had absolutely zero incentive or equity to do so as scum.

Three scum makes more sense to me from a setup spec perspective, vis-a-vis text gens comments that town only gets two mislynches if our vigges go off consistently at four scum

[Lexa]

When I say in the town side of things I mean the playerbase at large has had them in their more towny pools during reads

[Lexa]

What the hell guys reading comprehension is a thing

I never said Nico was cleared

Yes obviously I meant to say "if Elbirn flips town you [titus] are the only option remaining" because

that's what I said

[Lexa]

Erm lexa how was nico cleared

Nico isn't cleared, Nico is never scum partners with elbirn

[Lexa]

Are you retarded?

[Lexa]

Someone hammer before deadline kthxbai

[Lexa]

Nvm I'm retarded

[Lexa]

But do actually hammer before deadline

[Lexa]

i had said that the part of my ability that i can reveal without making it useless is a 2 card crush

[Lexa]

Go fuck yourself

[Lexa]

VOTE: Shattiel

Transparently trying to create leverage for LYLO mislynches

[Lexa]

Defense on elbirn is transparently buddying up to the player under pressure to buy their vote

[Lexa]

Kekek calling me scum after reading 0 of my posts

Unfortunate that the others don't have the virtue of knowing my alignment or what you're trying to do would be as blatantly obvious to them as it is to me

[Lexa]

Keep up the AtE bud

[Lexa]

um lol I'm not hated next day

You did say that you were hated today and tomorrow earlier

[Lexa]

so yeah it's very apparent, I'm double hated, that last this and the next dayphase
I had a small scare wrt what happens if I am at lynch threshold at daystart but I crunched the numbers and that shouldn't happen. We do need to insure ourselves against 2 scum possibly though.

[Lexa]

Mans desperate af to not be scumread

[Lexa]

Funny how the sub in who hasn't read the game is so full of.blustery overconfidence about every assertion they make

[Lexa]

Portraying complete certainty about me, complete certainty there's two scum, complete certainty elbirn is town, repeatedly "town clearing" themselves

I.e. doing everything they can to misdirect attention away from them long enough to survive two lynches

[Lexa]

Case in point

[Lexa]

Hey funny story

DLE claimed vig

[Lexa]

Dan are you able to hammer an elbirn wagon if that has to go through?

[Lexa]

good time to point out that i have no scum incentive to claim anything beyond my 2x card crush

[Lexa]

Shattiel today. Titus later

[Lexa]

Elbirn seems to have checked out of the game?

Lexa tell me about your Shattiel vote. TBH their entry made me angry and I wanted to vote there but then I thought about it and figured well, they are driving activity and advancing the game state. They may not be progressing in a way that I like but they are doing 'something' which is better than nothing.

I have the virtue of knowing their push on me is bullshit, it looks to me like they came in and tried to break the status quo by buying elbirn's vote in order to create chaos knowing that they were on the chopping block. They've been unreasonably confident and aggressive in what they've presented for someone who self identified as not reading the game.

[Lexa]

Elbirn seems to have checked out of the game?

Lexa tell me about your Shattiel vote. TBH their entry made me angry and I wanted to vote there but then I thought about it and figured well, they are driving activity and advancing the game state. They may not be progressing in a way that I like but they are doing 'something' which is better than nothing.

Like sure they're driving the game but everything I see looks like they're advancing the game state of a scum win condition for a single man scum team that needs to get two mislynches

[Lexa]

How convenient for you to just drop your previous read and call me scum just because I voted for you.

Nah dude your vote doesn't matter

Your shitty arguments and blatant buddying of the player on the chopping block are a whole nother matter

[Lexa]

Also psa 24 hours to deadline, going to need people to come on to Shattiel with me else I'll go back to elbirn to avoid the no Lynch

[Lexa]

9-12

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first thing i remember having any thought about on hebi, nothing specifically indicative but gut feels town, just sounds really pure


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ooh good catch, didn't notice that on human. yeah just calling gammas post bad but not scummy while you're voting for him definitely lines up with the scum waffle, first real lead, good place to do this

VOTE: Human Sequencer

I'm easy to talk to, I'll always work with people.

lel


these are some really empty posts i'm going through atm :/ only thing of any note through 259 is katy p much solidifying as town, super strong tone in the last several pages on top of the other points in favour

also reading elbirn is like watching paint dry


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agree that dle's posts have been ones more typically in his town wheelhouse, but they also aren't out of his scum one. null for me atm


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its at this point that i realize someone named gaiden is actually in this game o_o

i thought it was some rando that everyone else had played with a bunch...


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interesting that TG chooses to develop a read on kiana who hasn't really been in the thread at all while ignoring me when he'd had us both in the same category in 185. idk i'm feeling really null on this slot, their pushes and targets seem really off and stretchy and their softing of brian/maybe human looks bad but nothing they're saying actually really bleeds noticeably scummy. might just be town who's off the game atm.


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possible tvs with human/tg?


page 12 got a bit more interesting which i'm grateful for cause 10-11 fucking sucked to get through

Lexa somehow looks good pushing for HS but the reason that made him vote for Human is kek.
HS response sounds triggered though so that's also I'd keep an eye out for lexa

@sky explain to me gamma/elbirn I'll hear you out

You can presume that I've already done this and that my reads are suitably explained through the game/ISO, but for your reference, my reads are:

Most town:
Katy/Dan, Kiana/Titus
Lex, Shattiel (Despite your best efforts)
Gamma
Elbirn

If I had to line them up in order from super best town friends forever through to, uh, not, the order is:
Katy/Dan, Kiana/Titus, Lex, Shattiel, Gamma, Elbirn

If you get to your "I'm all caught up!" post and you still aren't satisfied let me know and I'll go through it again.

like hell I'm gonna caught up I'm not gonna read 1500+ posts I'm just isoing people and skimming it.
I'll just form an opinion of everyone then we'll talk real time.

Wut I already did? I've been giving reads since I came in.
Idk what you want from me.
Sky/Lexa this where I'm at right now.
I'm not gonna read every post in this game lol now talk to me about your reads so mine will improved I'll see where you're coming from and judged it right or wrong after I look through it.

@Gamma

You are saying your hated status carries to the next phase, yes?

I didn't pay attention to this properly.

So if we (hypothetically) mislynch today, and scum kills another towny, the next day phase is 5 players, but you're hated at -2. So if there are two scum any of them can just hammer you and it's GG.

Is that about the situation?

So we are not truly in LYLO now. I wonder why I have been thinking that for this whole time.

heh so either elbirn is scum or two scums is in him

Okay I'm finally getting a grasp of things.
Gamma should be town his 2 votes on him is a scum claim in lylo if not hammered.

I'm locktown now btw feel free to take it.
I'm only scum here elbirn is scum with me

VoteCount 4.5

Sky_Paladin [0] -
Titus [0] -
ActionDan [0] -
Lexa [0] -
Shattiel [1] - Elbirn
Elbirn [4] - Sky_Paladin, Lexa, Gamma Emerald, Titus
Gamma Emerald [

2

] -

Not Voting [2]

- ActionDan, Shattiel

With 9 alive it takes 5 votes to lynch.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2018-04-26 07:00:00)

okay regardless of elbirn's alignment there should be 1 scum in his wagon right now.
And sky/gamma doesn't sound SvS
So
VOTE: Lexus
You're scum bye

Or we could just lynch Gamma instead and play it safe. His penalty is horse crap in lylo

Kekek calling me scum after reading 0 of my posts

Unfortunate that the others don't have the virtue of knowing my alignment or what you're trying to do would be as blatantly obvious to them as it is to me

You're outed lol just give up.

LEXA IS AN OUTED SCUM AND DAMN THAT OMGUS FEELS GREAT

um lol I'm not hated next day

oh lol well good job you just locktowned me

Portraying complete certainty about me, complete certainty there's two scum, complete certainty elbirn is town, repeatedly "town clearing" themselves

I.e. doing everything they can to

misdirect attention away from them long enough to survive two lynches

look how much I'm misdirecting attention to myself I'm even machinegun posting and using CAPSLOCK TO SAY YOU'RE SCUM

Everyone look at the progression of Shattiel's erstwhile reads and tell me you don't feel the desperation oozing off of them

[Lexa]

Casually walk into the game and suddenly we have a Lynch pool of Lexa/sky/elbirn but also gamma because playing it safe is important. And then somehow Titus has become their target too.

So obviously doing everything they can to create suspicion and doubt and so discord among the town

[Lexa]

Sow*

[Lexa]

>Shattiel says they'll gets reads on everyone and iso them
>Shattiel says they're not reading the whole game
>Shattiel makes one post about Lexa not even via iso
>LEXA IZ LOCK SCUM GUIZ

[Lexa]

Shocker that if you'd read the game you'd notice I had about twenty consecutive posts laying out why he was the most viable option prior to you scumming up the place

[Lexa]

Oh Titus is there any benefit left to not claiming your role?

[Lexa]

Oh Titus is there any benefit left to not claiming your role?

Why should I claim?

You tell me lol, I don't know how claiming would impact your role

[Lexa]

Oh Titus is there any benefit left to not claiming your role?

Why should I claim?

You tell me lol, I don't know how claiming would impact your role

Why randomly ask then? Why me in particular? Claiming should not be done unless it brings about a net positive or the game being broken by mass claim. Sometimes not even then if scum can be trapped.

You in particular because we've already mass claimed and you're the only slot that didn't claim anything (also me, I claimed only partial)

[Lexa]

People need to start talking time is running short.

Elbirn or Shattiel?

[Lexa]

Oh Titus is there any benefit left to not claiming your role?

Why should I claim?

You tell me lol, I don't know how claiming would impact your role

Why randomly ask then? Why me in particular? Claiming should not be done unless it brings about a net positive or the game being broken by mass claim. Sometimes not even then if scum can be trapped.

You in particular because we've already mass claimed and you're the only slot that didn't claim anything (also me, I claimed only partial)

I presume you have a good reason for withholding correct?

Yeah I've said why a few times, the other half is limited in nature and neutered if scum know the details

[Lexa]

I don't expect anyone to trust me based on my claim

I expect them to trust me because I'm town lol

[Lexa]

And why should I feel you're town enough to excuse your blantant rolefish when you fooled me as scum before? You've been cagey and are still in my PoE pool.

blatant rolefish?

man you actually need to read the game people have asked you to claim about 14 times lol

my iso should be enough to convince you i'm town

and i'll remind you that the reason i fooled you as scum is because i played into your perception of me as a newer player and let you see what you wanted to see. hardly the case now i'm sure you'll agree

cagey about what in particular?

[Lexa]

I'm not using my card in the night so

[Lexa]

VOTE: Elbirn

Doesn't look like Shattiel has the support to go through :/

[Lexa]

That's really random. Both Shattiel and Elbirn were on two votes each.

And I was one of the votes on shattiel lol

12 hours to deadline and over est night? The Lynch needs to happen in the next few hours

[Lexa]

VOTE: Shattiel

[Lexa]

Blah kind of need Dan's vote to get Shattiel off

[Lexa]

VOTE: Elbirn

Somebody get the goddamn Lynch off we aren't no lynching

[Lexa]

Slow up that's L-1

[Lexa]

Looking like it's time to hammer

[Lexa]

i'll leave you to it

[Lexa]

Too bad I died in the last night phase, I was going to use my spell card immediately if I lived to this day and quick lynch titus