Mini Normal 2005: Fun With Decimals(game over)

[Dunnstral]

why is he lying (which I pointed out)

what did I lie about?

Your reason for commenting on my playstyle in this game

[Lapsa]

why is he lying (which I pointed out)

what did I lie about?

Your

reason

for commenting on my playstyle in this game

pretty sure I never revealed that

that's a serious accusation and I'm gonna ask you repeatedly

@dunnstral

what did I lie about?

[Dunnstral]

Where did your notion of what I should be playing like come from?

we have played before

Okay, so you're saying we've played together before, and that's why you said this:

Also I'm a bit worried about Dunn right now. From what I've seen as town hes never this active.

+1

he's too active and too precise

So I ran a quick search to see what games we actually both played in, we've played in two to my knowledge but both are from around a year and a half (and I was in a hydra for one of them)
So incredibly old meta

Here's the clincher though: I didn't lurk in either of those games, far from it

Here are the games I found:

viewtopic.php?f=55&t=67016 - a large normal
viewtopic.php?f=56&t=67827 - a very large mess of a theme game (in the hydra VA-11 Hall-A)

This is, to my knowledge, the only two games we have played in prior to this one
I posted 918 times in the large normal, and my hydra posted 375 times in the large theme

So... to me it looks like you're just making things up, or even receiving information on my meta from other players. It's weird to me that you jumped on my meta like that when you shouldn't have known.

[Dunnstral]

You lied in 384, you couldn't have gained the notion that I was a lurker from playing in games with me, because I never lurked in games I played with you.

[Lapsa]

You lied in 384, you couldn't have gained the notion that I was a lurker from playing in games with me, because I never lurked in games I played with you.

no. it is YOU that couldn't have gained such notion if you were me. I did

it is not my fault that your playstyle has seemingly progressed from nonsensical and paranoid into xXx_TEh_TUNNEL_V1SION_30O0_xXx

@dunnstral

what did I lie about?

[Lapsa]

and wording is incorrect. never called you a lurker

[Dunnstral]

and wording is incorrect. never called you a lurker

But you said I was too active in this game, which is saying the same thing

You lied in 384, you couldn't have gained the notion that I was a lurker from playing in games with me, because I never lurked in games I played with you.

no. it is YOU that couldn't have gained such notion if you were me. I did

it is not my fault that your playstyle has seemingly progressed from nonsensical and paranoid into xXx_TEh_TUNNEL_V1SION_30O0_xXx

@dunnstral

what did I lie about?

Trying to bring teh conversation to my playstyle is skirting what I am talking about

If you come in here claiming you honestly used past game experiences to determine me as a lurker when I hyper posted in both of those games, then yes you're lying, it doesn't matter how often you join games, or what my playstyle is like, you are making the claim that you got the notion that I was posting too much in this game from those past games I linked, and anybody who takes a few minutes to look into it will realize it's a lie

[Dunnstral]

Arc I wanna call town for having me as a strong tr but I need posts

I said this half asleep I was basically saying
"Arc has me as town so my first inpulse is to ask why they tr me and tr them for it"
But I'll just wait for arc to post more stuff

This isn't a good read

Speaking of which, I'm interested in hearing more about where your Lapsa read came from, ArcAngel

[Dunnstral]

it is not my fault that your playstyle has seemingly progressed from nonsensical and paranoid into xXx_TEh_TUNNEL_V1SION_30O0_xXx

When you try to weasel out of answering questions by twisting semantics and throwing shade it tends to take up more in-game time
Doubling down on it doesn't help either

[Lapsa]

But you said I was too active in this game, which is saying the same thing

I disagree. you can fluff and be pretty much inactive

Trying to bring teh conversation to my playstyle is skirting what I am talking about

it's pretty much in the center of your argument and accusations

If you come in here claiming you honestly used past game experiences to determine me as a lurker when I hyper posted in both of those games, then yes you're lying, it doesn't matter how often you join games, or what my playstyle is like, you are making the claim that you got the notion that I was posting too much in this game from those past games I linked, and anybody who takes a few minutes to look into it will realize it's a lie

you aren't even trying to read

NEVER CALLED YOU A LURKER

that hyper posting in previous games was full of shit

nowhere close in quality to e.g. your accusation in 47

and since you are so stubborn, I'm raising a suspicion:

it is scum indicative to pick up subtle issues and blow them out of proportions all day long

especially if target is potentially the weakest chain link

(ruby)

- a newcomer to the game

speaking of which...

Second of all, I think your stance around Ruby Red has been weird. Like, you joined the wagon early on (I think you literally pasted random words in and people mistook it as a thoughtful post) and then you don't really acknowledge it past then, I'm not sure 257 is supposed to imply you still scumread him, but either way it's weird for you to be slinking off the wagon

I do townread ruby

the way he thinks seems faulty yet consistent and genuine

Arc I wanna call town for having me as a strong tr but I need posts

wolfy

^ lately - this bit hits the spot

not so much early on hence vote in 65

ruby
-1liner style
!todo test persevarance
+dream machine gun
+58 what are you doing?
* 1liner touche
-fos on kokichi cause bad reasoning of dunn
- &mariar
?wolfy

1. you accused him about 1liner posting style yourself. interactions regarding that sucked indeed
2. he has passed test - still 1lining wolfy's around
3. symbolically it means - page 3, ruby posted at the speed of thought. scum usually play more carefully
4. had similar reaction to mumble/maria 32-33 posts
5. his response to your accusation could mean anything and it's worth paying attention to the progression of it
6. pretty much that. post 60
7. signs of working too closely w/ mariar I'm too lazy to look up right now
8. seems to suggest ruby has been playing werewolves IRL, is fairly new to mafiascum forum mafia or perhaps trying to fake that too aggressively

P.s. suck my hairy balls

[Lapsa]

VOTE: Dunnstral

[Dunnstral]

You lied in 384, you couldn't have gained the notion that I was a lurker from playing in games with me, because I never lurked in games I played with you.

no. it is YOU that couldn't have gained such notion if you were me.

I did

Isn't this saying the opposite of your big red text above?

[Lapsa]

You lied in 384, you couldn't have gained the notion that I was a lurker from playing in games with me, because I never lurked in games I played with you.

no. it is YOU that couldn't have gained such notion if you were me.

I did

Isn't this saying the opposite of your big red text above?

and wording is incorrect. never called you a lurker

fuck off already, scumbag

[Dunnstral]

When I read that I saw it as a semantics argument ("I never said you were a lurker, I said you were too active")

What is the correct wording?

[Dunnstral]

Why did you say I'm too active and precise in this game?

because you are

Let me get this straight. You have his meta and you find his activeness in the game is bad? Are you scum reading him for this?

Why didn't you refute this? Or is this correct?

[Lapsa]

When I read that I saw it as a semantics argument ("I never said you were a lurker, I said you were too active")

What is the correct wording?

yeah, backpedalling will make you look stupid

Why did you say I'm too active and precise in this game?

because you are

Let me get this straight. You have his meta and you find his activeness in the game is bad? Are you scum reading him for this?

Why didn't you refute this? Or is this correct?

that would interfere our convo and doesn't need refuting

@dunnstral

what did I lie about?

[Morality]

@everyone not voting, how about you put a vote down in your very next post

You can't make me! You're not my dad!

VOTE: UnabombaH

Oh. Oops.

Not a fan of the lack of content across multiple checkins.
Might also vote Arc; I don't see the reasoning for the couple town reads that pronounced in the last page or two and am really curious about the answers to my earlier questions.

Still need to bucket some of the nulls.

I can somewhat understand this, but I want to make sure to everyone -

IF I'M EVER BEING INACTIVE IN A GAME, IT'S ALWAYS, 100% OF THE TIME, IRL-THINGS.

I do not lurk as scum, I do not lurk as a town-PR.
I simply do not lurk.
So whenever I have trouble finding time to make actual long posts with quotes and formatting and such, I mainly do these quick ones with phone.
And these I often make at work, or while eating or whatever.
I'll make a longer post during this week, like I said I would.

This is townUnah. Long time no play, how you doin’, Unah?

[Morality]

Espeonage doing no scumhunting but popping in to be angry at people is something that generally comes from scum. I'm starting to become very suspicious of unabombah, too.

Why does this generally come from scum? I tend to see town pop out and do the same when they don’t have solidified reads when they’re trying to figure things out. I don’t know how to read Espeonage, though. I’m still catching up, so bare with my while I comment prematurely. but Unah stood out to me as townie. I generally never townread Unah when he’s scum.


Side note: killer player list this game.

[Morality]

Up to the point I'm writing this post, Unabombah has felt very tonally off. My post 31 was meant to indicate this but I guess it is very unclear so I don't blame anyone who misinterpreted it.

I have been tonally off from my usual play - town AND scum.
And Ausuka is someone who should be able to tell, even if it has been a while since we last played together.
You'll all notice the difference when it's my day off wednesday.

I actually feel Unah being tonally off leans towards townie rather than scummy. The playful attitude likely comes from TownUnah than ScumUnah based on the “guys, i know, it’s off, but I’m town!”. That’s a townUnah excuse not a scumUnah.

But I think I town read Ausuka anyways for pointing this out. It makes sense to me why TownAusuka would scum read townUnah for being tonally off, if that makes sense. So far I’m entirely using meta to base these reads. My Day 1’s generally go off of meta/analyzing different perspectives here.

Guys, look, I just came in and I already have two town reads. I’m going to POE this game in no time!

[Zoronos]

I want to interject into the Dunstrall v Lapsa discussion, because this discussion seems very opaque, but I’m not even sure what question to ask that would clarify things.

Maybe this: Lapsa, what specifically were you accusing Dunnstral of with regard to his meta?

[Morality]

To be fair, I agree that with Lapsa that Dunnstral is far more active than usual.

That doesn’t make him scum, though. Dunn lurks as scum too. If anything I kind of like active Dunn.

[Zoronos]

This is townUnah. Long time no play, how you doin’, Unah?

You’re really going to have to explain this one to me. I haven’t seen him produce anything all game other than a couple early surface town reads and posts promising he’d eventually play without actually doing so.
How does that scream Town to you?

[Zoronos]

I could definitely understand a Null read, giving benefit of the doubt, but Town perplexes me.

[Morality]

This is townUnah. Long time no play, how you doin’, Unah?

You’re really going to have to explain this one to me. I haven’t seen him produce anything all game other than a couple early surface town reads and posts promising he’d eventually play without actually doing so.
How does that scream Town to you?

How does that scream scum to you? He says he’ll be posting a long post. I trust him to do so. Nothing he has done isn’t something that I couldn’t just see him doing as town. Unah’s a player that i town read unless I have reasons to scum read him.

[Morality]

I could definitely understand a Null read, giving benefit of the doubt, but Town perplexes me.

I have a weird playstyle, apparently. I like to town read everyone until I have a reason not to, so I guess I instinctively town read everyone rather than null read because a lot of people get pushed for NAI things.