The Resistance #1: 7p (GAME OVER)

[Ausuka]

VOTE: the worst, ausuka

[Ausuka]

every nom apart from mine so far has contained Pine. this makes me think Pine is scum.

[Ausuka]

most of the nominations came before Pine had made a single post- I don't see why you think that it has much to do with his towniness. And considering that most people have nommed Pine, I don't think that it makes someone scum to nominate Pine, although I do think scum have nominated pine.

[Ausuka]

yes, not all the people nomming you are scum, but I know at least two are, and that makes me dubious of your alignment.

[Ausuka]

I don't really have a read on tw. If I had a townread I would have nommed them.

[Ausuka]

I had no townreads at that point.

[Ausuka]

VOTE: ausuka, eddisae
I think I like this better now. I want to tr pine but I'm still suspicious that he's in practically every nomination. I don't know why people assume that scum won't sabotage.

[Ausuka]

[Ausuka]

VOTE: ausuka, eddisae
I think I like this better now. I want to tr pine but I'm still suspicious that he's in practically every nomination. I don't know why people assume that scum won't sabotage.

No sab means no info

If aus/eddie sab'd it means
33% aus is scum
33% eddie is scum
33% chance both are scum

It's just too much info to give out imo, mish2 sab is fine

pedit: ausuka gets me. ;n;

well yeah but it also directly advances the scum wincon. even if you're caught by it, it would still advance the scum wincon, so it's a meh thing.

and I was just trying to joke, I'm not trying to call you an actual noob. sorry if that came off the wrong way.

[Ausuka]

VOTE: pine, eddisae, ausuka
pine's won me over.

[Ausuka]

UNVOTE:
though I'm unsure if this is the best info play.

[Ausuka]

VOTE: Pine, Enac, Ausuka
baa

[Ausuka]

no, that is bad.

[Ausuka]

No you're totally wrong and I have no idea why you're kinda just taking someone's word for what actually happened. Like it should be totally obvious from last game alone that scum CAN not sabotage first mission. Any mission with both pine and eddisae is doomed to fail.

[Ausuka]

I'm basing my logic based on camn hammering the 2nd mission not oh "me and pine are conftown because we didn't sabotage the first mission"

Can you explain this to me like I'm dumb? Because I'm dumb and I don't get it. Why does camn's hammer mean anything?

[Ausuka]

Like Ausuka what are your reads on me and camn?

you're probably a scumbutt I guess, pine is town maybe. Camn, I don't know. rn I think scum is keychain, eddisae, and camn OR nancy.

[Ausuka]

because by hammering it she is stating that she is okay with that mission

Well yeah but can't she do that as town or scum with pine or scum with eddisae? And doesn't the same apply for tw?

[Ausuka]

Like Ausuka what are your reads on me and camn?

you're probably a scumbutt I guess, pine is town maybe. Camn, I don't know. rn I think scum is keychain, eddisae, and camn OR nancy.

How can you not know on camn?

Because, unlike you, it's not written into my role PM

[Ausuka]

Like Ausuka what are your reads on me and camn?

you're probably a scumbutt I guess, pine is town maybe. Camn, I don't know. rn I think scum is keychain, eddisae, and camn OR nancy.

How can you not know on camn?

Because, unlike you, it's not written into my role PM

Okay if you proclaim yourself to be town then can you go in more depth about why you don't have a camn read.

Okay so, I believe Keychain is the most scummy player, by play. I know there's scum in {Pine, Eddisae} and I'm inclined to think it's the latter. That only leaves one scumslot, and while I guess camn's opening was moderately scummy, you could say the same for nancy. So I don't really know what alignment she is.

[Ausuka]

VOTE: the worst, nancy, Pine
maybe we try this? idk. I'm just gonna assume I never get nommed until maybe the final round, if it comes to that.

[Ausuka]

If you're trying to suggest we keep Eddisae in the nom, I will never vote for that, ESPECIALLY if pine is also in there, so you're probably wasting your breath talking to me about it.

[Ausuka]

It's kinda a mix between the two I think.

[Ausuka]

town can vote yes.

I mean, no, not really?

[Ausuka]

I don't like the way you defended Pine in 27. More specifically, I don't see how town!Keychain forms this view of the game, considering the votes on Pine came in before Pine even voted, and I think this was quite self-evident from the way the game started. 38 reads like you're discrediting me because I basically did the equivalent of RVS voting someone who had posted, which is pretty scummy too. Also, gut.

[Ausuka]

town can vote yes.

I mean, no, not really?

Stop playing your scum game

Maybe you just can't read me

[Ausuka]

hm
VOTE: nancy, camn, Pine

[Ausuka]

I don't like the way you defended Pine in 27. More specifically, I don't see how town!Keychain forms this view of the game, considering the votes on Pine came in before Pine even voted, and I think this was quite self-evident from the way the game started. 38 reads like you're discrediting me because I basically did the equivalent of RVS voting someone who had posted, which is pretty scummy too. Also, gut.

As I said, I messed up the timeline, which is exactly how town!Keychain formed this view of the game.[/quote]
I don't get how you can mess up the timeline like that though.

I wasn't "discrediting" you. I was scumreading you for apparently not having any opinion on the player you voted, which I find is more likely from scum who already know the answer.

Except you voted for a player who literally hadn't posted up to that point, so that's clearly not the real reason? You criticized me at the time because I voted for a player who had posted in the RVS-like phase whereas you voted for a player who hadn't posted. What happened to that?

It seems you're scumreading me for townreading Pine, and then scumreading me for scumreading you.

no.

Also, gut.

Sorry for having a gutread, I guess?

I'm happy not sending Ausuka on any more missions, I think there's a good chance she was the scum who saboed.

I'm pretty sure literally everyone but me thinks this.

[Ausuka]

UNVOTE:
maybe I'm doing the wrong thing.

[Ausuka]

Well shit. I was inclined to believe the nancy/Camn dynamic was scum/Town, but after that hammer with a sabotage, I'm thinking Camn/Ausuka scumteam, probably with the worst as the third.

So here's what we're doing:

VOTE: Pine, Enac, keychain

Lets us sort keychain, who I'm coming around to a Townread on.

so, the plan is to go with keychain instead of me, and then sabotage the mission, then pin the whole thing on Keychain and say we were distancing? because that's what this looks like to me.

[Ausuka]

I ?kinda? like this I guess.
VOTE: camn tw eddisae

[Ausuka]

if you're so convinced on pine/key/tw why does camn/nancy/key apparently lose the game?

hi

[Ausuka]

Idk why that was in my Q+. Idk what to do rn.

[Ausuka]

if you're so convinced on pine/key/tw why does camn/nancy/key apparently lose the game?

hi

Go back to the corner. You already cost us a sab.

That's a lie, and you know it,

Pine

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[Ausuka]

Hey so does anyone remember the last marathon where I successfully read Katyusha and N for how much they were getting nommed for missions early on? Yeah I think pine is katy v2.

[Ausuka]

It's half past five and I go to bed early. I'm fine!

[Ausuka]

I'm talking about how everyone nommed Katy for missions, not the whole Maria incident.

[Ausuka]

This isn't even meta lol.

[Ausuka]

VOTE: eddisae, camn, nancy
I like this I think.

[Ausuka]

I'm pretty close to solving as well I think (hope)

your townblock is wrong :c

I'm pretty sure your role PM solved the game for you

[Ausuka]

UNVOTE:

[Ausuka]

VOTE: camn, eddisae, Keychain
Maybe?

[Ausuka]

Well, I think camn is somewhat towny (especially if my Pine read is correct), and I believe eddisae is town. Pine and the worst are my scumreads as of now which leaves you and nancy. The support for the group, and the way worst has treated it, makes me believe you're more likely town than nancy right now.

[Ausuka]

VOTE: enac, camn, nancy
whatever.

[Ausuka]

Eddisae has scumslipped by not realising town has to respond “not sabotaging“ to every mission.

[Ausuka]

Seeing the sab right away makes me think Pine is town.

[Ausuka]

Eddisae not realising town has to respond “not sabotaging“ to every mission.

[Ausuka]

??? I don't get what you're saying. My point is, if eddisae is town, they know everyone has to respond. But if they're scum, it makes perfect sense, because they think only scum have to choose (because town would never sabotage)

[Ausuka]

Because eddisae doesn't know that.

[Ausuka]

They said pine was town because he didn't have the oppurtunity to sabotage, implying scum are the only ones who get sent PMs to sabotage or not. Ali as town would know this isn't the case.

[Ausuka]

wait am I dumb

[Ausuka]

lol I was about to write this big post about the scumslip and then I realised I was reading eddisae's post wrong. they're probably still scum though.

[Ausuka]

townies change their minds, and I'm not a sir.

[Ausuka]

townies change their minds, and I'm not a sir.

what changed your mind?I'll humor you[/quote]
The way you came into the day insisting I'm scum with camn. I don't see why there being scum in {nancy, camn} makes Pine town and I don't see why you keep pushing that I'm "mech" scum for n2 when that's obviously untrue. You came into d2 doing the same thing, assigning the blame to me. Duckling is also scummy for the way he opened d2 but I'll get to that later I guess.

Also, if you're town we probably lose anyway, so.

[Ausuka]

townies change their minds, and I'm not a sir.

what changed your mind?I'll humor you

The way you came into the day insisting I'm scum with camn. I don't see why there being scum in {nancy, camn} makes Pine town and I don't see why you keep pushing that I'm "mech" scum for n2 when that's obviously untrue. You came into d2 doing the same thing, assigning the blame to me. Duckling is also scummy for the way he opened d2 but I'll get to that later I guess.

Also, if you're town we probably lose anyway, so.

[Ausuka]

No it isn't. I don't see where you townread nancy before today, and your townread on nancy was based on me being scum in the first place, and ~nancy can't bus because m e t a~ so nancy is town. So basically your reasoning from me being scum relies on me being scum.

[Ausuka]

OK, so, I'm going to reread the game. There is at least 1 scum in {eddisae, pine} and {eddisae, camn, nancy} although that isn't really all that helpful.
I'm going to ignore the d1 votes as AI for the most part rn, because scum chose not to sab anyway, so my earlier thoughts on Pine were probably off. I think what we see d2 is probably gonna be more important.
rereading Camn's entrance doesn't read as scummy to me.
camn probably isn't scum with eddisae.
51 from duckling is scummy.
96 from pine is meh, with how he rules out eddisae as scum. definitely 1 max scum in {pine, nancy} though.
104 from keychain is kinda townish.
107 from tw is kinda towny too... although maybe I shouldn't be handing out towncred for this
125 is coming to the conclusion pine is town way too quickly. It's convenient and I get the feeling scum, including Eddisae, have been trying to pin n2 on me the whole time, even though there's no good reason why it couldn't have been somebody else.
126 from tw legitimately makes me want to dayvig him to Mars. 127 makes me want to extend that to Neptune.
137 is kinda ew but I think I should just stop trying to sort eddisae. They're scum, period.
no idea how tw got that I'm playing to a scum meta from 154. also I don't even know what methods he's using for these mysterious metareads he keeps coming up with.
166- I've already mentioned this but the way Pine insists that if there's a sab in {Pine, eddisae, keychain} it has to be Keychain is really scummy to me and makes me think Pine!scum, Keychain!town.
175 makes me think camn is a townie. I think scum are trying to frame me, and I don't think scum!camn sticks her neck out against that.
187- same tbh. Also, 1 scum max in {pine, duckling} if I haven't already said this.
201- I'm unsure why town!duck is this certain on his read on me?
225- team is not pine/enac/tw I guess? which makes me think Pine is a townie. rn I'm leaning towards {Ausuka, camn, pine} as three of the townies. Enac is obviously scum in this case, and I'm leaning towards duck being scum too, which means final townie is between {nancy, keychain}
246-

quack

262- what
292- meh
293- I still have no idea why duckling keeps tunneling on me this game for basically 0 reasons.
375- eddisae forcing through a misnom, zzz

that's up to d4 which has basically just been eddisae saying I'm mechanically confirmed scum somehow, so yeah. I'll try and make sense of this tomorrow. This game is hard.

[Ausuka]

Ausuka is scum.

But I'm not though. People keep saying this and I don't get it. Like, even if we say that Pine is somehow cleared of sabbing n2 which I don't get, eddisae is making the claim I'm scum on the assumption they're town and it feels like a lot of people aren't even considering the other option. ENAC has been on both sabs, and they're using me as the scapegoat for n2, and now they're using camn as the scapegoat for n3.

[Ausuka]

rn my scumteam includes you and I don't really want to try and convince you you're scum so...

[Ausuka]

can you explain 126 and 127? because when you automatically sheep eddisae when they just say "I am town so it wasn't me who sabotaged it" that makes me think you're definitely scum here.

like, eddisae just comes in like "I didn't sab, it was ausuka" and you're just like "yeah sure"

[Ausuka]

Fmpov that could have proved or disproved a 3p townblock, whats bad about that?

The solve effort is kinda as important as your solution here. You're currently scum by PoE so talk me through /A/ theory of some kind if youre town

Why do I have to find every mafia while you just kinda go along with what eddisae is saying? I can't just gamesolve and find every mafia on the press of a button. I tried rereading the thread earlier, I hardly got anything out of it. It's not like I've given up, it's just that I can't find the mafia when literally every player is a) better than me and close to unreadable to me, and b) saying I'm scum in a way that makes me doubt they could ever change their minds.
I guess camn is probably town, because everyone is saying she has to be scum too. I think you're scum, and I think eddisae's scum. Out of {Pine, Keychain, nancy} ... I honestly don't really know. Nancy not bussing is consistent with her having a SR on me the entire game and having a TR on eddisae. So if you want a gamesolve, {Eddisae, tw, nancy} is my best bet.

[Ausuka]

Fmpov that could have proved or disproved a 3p townblock, whats bad about that?

Because when it fails we end up in a situation like this. You didn't even seem to consider the alternative to Enac being town and correct, despite you literally saying before the mission that we shouldn't judge my alignment from it.

[Ausuka]

Honestly, the fact that we have convergent conclusions with divergent origins makes it a pretty strong correlation.

But Ausuka Keychain and camn dont seem to be trying at all?

... Yes, I am trying :/

[Ausuka]

Screw it VOTE: tw pine enac nancy

VOTE: ausuka, camn, pine, keychain

[Ausuka]

most of the analysis is relying on me being scum so I can't really engage with anything else. scum's probably already won this regardless of what happens today.

[Ausuka]

ok. how about this.

I HAVE NOT GIVEN UP. I AM HERE. I REPEAT, I HAVE NOT GIVEN UP, EVEN THOUGH IT'S HOPELESS AT THIS TIME, I WANT TO WIN THIS GAME FOR TOWN, AND WHEN EDDISAE SAYS I AM SCUM WHO HAS GIVEN UP, THEY ARE LYING TO YOU.

[Ausuka]

hm
VOTE: nancy, camn, Pine

gg, and well done mafia.

[Ausuka]

If only u were a vig......

we would have lost the game by d2

[Ausuka]

probably not? idk.

Also you do recall we were voting for town, right?

[Ausuka]

Yeah, thanks for hosting this Mathdino. Your moderation was flawless.