Touhou UCanPick 5 - [Game Over]

[Katyusha]

wait

TG explain fully how your role works. Like, what you have to declare for it to work

[Katyusha]

I mean a massclaim means we can work out the best plan to ensure an autowin, so I don't see the harm

Scum choosing to shoot someone for their PR means that I live another day after all

pedit: OK, that makes a little more sense than how i was interpreting it

[Katyusha]

Why couldn't there be multiple rolecops in this sort of a setup? I strongly disagree that it's a town exclusive role btw but I don't think his assumption is illogical

[Katyusha]

fuck i misread hebi's claim i was about to say that she investigates TG :/

gah ok

[Katyusha]

wait a JK is kind of a shitty thing to rely on to block scum in this setup fuck, scum can just no kill :/

[Katyusha]

true, i guess

but there's no info to be gained from it i guess was my point

[Katyusha]

wait then

why dont we just have hebi cop like gaiden or sky paladin

dunn investigates hebi so then we have 3 conftown if i'm still alive (doubt it but)

and then you can jailkeep

i guess that means we lynch in dle/gaiden/sp depending on the cop choice and then if the game doesnt end after your jk you and then we work out who in the townbloc was scum all along i guess if the game continues after that

[Katyusha]

so let's get gaiden i guess unless his claim also is game changing

[Katyusha]

anyway i got a pathfinder session so i'll catch you guys later

[Katyusha]

so do you think text or hebi is the last mafia

your vote is on hebi but your last posts say text

still in pathfinder just a PbP-hybrid campaign is still slow on the days where we're all here

[Katyusha]

Human Sequencer, who was

Utsuho Reiuji

,

Scorching, Troublesome Divine Flame

,

Stage Six

, and aligned with

Mafia

, has been

killed

in

Day 2

.

^ her

this was like a year ago....... before vaporwave rosa.............

and if scum decide to kill you it's still the same as killing me, town has a conftown alive either way

[Katyusha]

i mean tbf we got a vig on an obvscum slot i feel like that would have been a waste of a cop

i have no qualms with how hebi went about this

jailkeeper doesnt activate until stage 6 btw dunn, at least TG's shot

[Katyusha]

i mean i dont think any of those posts are bad?

lexa is nullreading him though which isnt a good sign i think. eddie died townreading him though

[Katyusha]

Don’t recall who eddie said to kill TG but even if TG is scum the mechanically correct play is to let him live, we get another mislynch regardless of his alignment or he’s forced to confirm a suspect as town

[Katyusha]

genuinely dont know if i support a TG lynch today, again he's going to be forced to mechanically confirm a scummy slot as town or give us an extra mislynch if he's scum

are you sure we should take the risk? i agree his slot has a lot of scum equity but still

[Katyusha]

fdushlj;;;

everyone who's up for a lynch and has claimed has a Mechanically Bad role to lynch though

like does no one else see those juicy cop claims as worth using?

[Katyusha]

no not eventually, tonight

[Katyusha]

and then we cop her....

meaning we can get the last scum if it's hebi or two conftowns in her and her report

[Katyusha]

ok so im completely fine burning gaiden's card, it doesnt seem that useful. if necessary

thinking about vig targets since that gets us back into odds too

Gamma what stage are you?

[Katyusha]

oh fuck im dumb

[Katyusha]

still should use it

[Katyusha]

have the other characters made sense as investigations

do i make sense as a vig

[Katyusha]

wow i didnt know the roles made that much sense but that makes me like this a lot more!

im taking it gaiden also has flavor knowledge? just want to make sure we have two sources at least for flavor

[Katyusha]

holy fuck ok sorry im reading up rn

[Katyusha]

genuinely dont know if i support a TG lynch today, again he's going to be forced to mechanically confirm a scummy slot as town or give us an extra mislynch if he's scum

are you sure we should take the risk? i agree his slot has a lot of scum equity but still

I'd like to go for the perfect win here, thank you. No point letting scum live another day; HS tried to do it but failed. Not sure why you'd let TG go ahead with that as well. Scum will try to fakeclaim roles that grant them longevity, and I'm really not sure where your hesitancy comes from considering this game is extremely cut-and-dry.

it's still punishing the claim in the long run but with all the cop claims maybe it's auto anyway

[Katyusha]

ight lets play

im surprised i only got 2 bingos

[Katyusha]

I'm down for all happy fun time murder plans.
As for my claim.
I'm Ibuki Suika.
Stage 6
spell card: for 1 stage, become unkillable, lose my vote, and make a person L-1.
FG says that if i use this on a person who has a vote on them they insta-lynch.

if game doesnt end on TG lynch investigate this imo hebi, role is pretty pointless

Dunn is an IC so I trust his investigation and would like it on Hebi

i have a tell on purrcs that has come into play so i'd rather not lynch or investigate that

[Katyusha]

purrcs vote tg so i can hammer

dont have time to swing the lynch elsewhere and we win no matter what

[Katyusha]

Hebi cops Gaiden or Purrcs (i’d say DLE but no claim so)

Dunn cops Hebi

Lynch DLE I guess? I don’t think without tg we can plan further than this honestly

Town seems to not want to locktown Purrcs so even if I say they’re clear me flipping probably means they become lynchable so idk

[Katyusha]

Hebi is who goes tonight though which is the main takeaway

Lexa KK Dunn Gamma Purrcs are all locktown to me

Elbirn and SP are very town

Everyone else is meh and gets sorted away by actions so we should be fine

[Katyusha]

Dunn can you vote TG?
I’ll hammer like right at DL

[Katyusha]

Hebi is getting copped tomorrow and she’s copping gaiden

[Katyusha]

in case it's not clear, gaiden and not DLE is the cop because Gaiden claimed not cop and not JK/RB. If DLE came in and claimed not cop then he can get copped too, for now though just play it safe

[Katyusha]

Judging by the lack of resistance it's probably fair to say TGs Lynch doesn't end the game, though whether that's because there's four scum or not who knows

?

have you been in an apathetic town before lol we're getting lynches like candy

reading up still btw

[Katyusha]

we cant flash lynch so we'll take the L on a TG!town flip, idk what tg is talking about w gaiden being on the table anyway considering he or DLE is the cop today

pedit: thank u

[Katyusha]

ok, DLE claimed not cop so he's gucci for copping, i'd still rather do Gaiden however since we know his power has low utility

Hebi cops Gaiden, Dunn cops Hebi, that's two conftowns ensured if TG is town and the game goes on or we get scum

dont lynch in the townbloc until there's clearly no options, i'm serious when i say that i have a tell on purrcs that's relatively accurate (i wouldn't say it's 100% in this game but i have seen it be that accurate before)

Lexa is always town, Dunn is always town, gamma is always town, Kiana is always town, Purrcs is almost always town

I don't know Elbirn so he could be scum but he's almost definitely not. I think S_P has been fairly townie but I also don't know him and I don't townread him as much as Elbirn

Hebi had like a couple of bad votes that could conceivably come from town, TG sometimes had townie seeming posts but has terrible associations but I kind of nearly fell for Human's ATE so i'm not positive, DLE got stale after his V/LA so he's not a bad cop, Gaiden has literally done nothing all game

I think I'm fine with how the POE is going and that town can handle the game if this blues. Dunn's cop should take two people out of the pool (so if theyre both clears DLE is probably the lynch BUT you should still give him a fair chance to defend himself) - being the designated lynch means he has the chance to find the fault in the townbloc

Will hammer at the last possible moment for me (like 3 pm est)

pedit: Lex I'm saying that a blocced town where town already strongarmed two scum lynches will usually have little resistance in their wagons, human and brian also had no resistance so if this is a 3 scum game that's why there's no resistance. there could be a power busser if it's 4 i guess though

also if dle is a vig then uhhhhhhh dont cop him, just cop gaiden

[Katyusha]

also gaiden i wanted to do the classic soviet hammer that im apparently known for now

[Katyusha]

he's getting copped so i mean yeah thats probably the case if he's scum - or his real role is wildly different (stupid to do as scum but hey)

pedit: The extension? We're not getting one, unless you mean the plan afterwards

Hebi cops Gaiden
Dunn cops Hebi

DLE claims the restrictions wrt his vig shot and when he can use it and town works around that. if he shoots town he stays in the lynchpool, if not he's town and the game probably ends

{Kiana, Gamma, Dunn, Lexa, SP, Purrcs, Elbirn} is the rest of the town and I don't have a real reason to call any of those slots scum right now while TG, Hebi, Gaiden, and DLE are all possible scum candidates rn

[Katyusha]

even if eddie is the better player scum probably should have shot me tbh....

pedit: who else would he push here as town.......?

[Katyusha]

like if someone has an issue with the plan im proposing please lmk while we have like 3 hours until dl............

[Katyusha]

Purrc read is supported by meta i don't expect you or anyone else to have seeing as though it's entirely based upon a tell

he'd probably be among the people i'd look at if DLE/Hebi/Gaiden/TG nets us 0 scum

[Katyusha]

lol i forgot about gamma's double vig



we're fine, every kill that isnt me is scum choosing to have a 100% conftown in their midst

anyone have an objection to hammering now? i have until 6 PM but i'll be in class 4-9 today

[Katyusha]

yeah we dont have time to maneuver the lynch, sorry if you're town TG but i think the sacrifice is necessary and if dle is a vig then we get to odds that way

[Katyusha]

so is your theory 4 scum?

what should we do about this? i dont think passing the lynch is wise since TG can only give us more lynches if we lynch today OR if we dont use a vig

[Katyusha]

like our options are force an NL or lynch TG so if you have a reason to NL lmk?

[Katyusha]

Why is kiana town?

I don’t think her play makes sense as a bus

I had a lot of openings to stop a HS lynch and she refused to back down

[Katyusha]

If not Gaiden iirc SP had a disposable role

Pedit: or elbirn I guess yeah

[Katyusha]

If you guys get a Gaiden lynch together in 2 hours I’ll hammer

Otherwise I’m kind of forced to do TG anyway

[Katyusha]

Yeah I feel you, game feels locked in

[Katyusha]

Lol

[Katyusha]

i feel like the fuckton of vigs and cops is the nature of the setup considering not everyone will go

and if there's 4 scum thats your answer. either way TG's slot needs to be resolved and we've kind of locked ourselves into lynching it now rather than later so?

like yes mechanically we lose a lot of if he's town but i think he makes the most sense as a partner

pedit: I think lexa is insinuating that applies to her

[Katyusha]

my eye's on the time.

hammering in like 15 if no one has anything to say

[Katyusha]

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[Katyusha]

VOTE: text generator

if this blues, Hebi is on Gaiden tonight and Dunn is on Hebi tomorrow

Work out the restrictions around DLE and Gamma's vigs, see if Purrcs is worth using, Elbirn is there to make broken spellcards easier to target

{Lexa, Gamma, Dunn}
{Kiana, Purrcs} - Kiana is only in here if TG blues
{Sky, Elbirn}
{Gaiden, TG, Hebi, DLE}

bottom four are getting sorted out today and tomorrow, if the game continues start with DLE and the middle four before going into the top 3

[Katyusha]

Sorry dude

[Katyusha]

remember that either way we have 2 conftowns if gaiden isnt the last scum, scum just made the choice to keep me as conftown over hebi

unsure of implications

[Katyusha]

I would like to see reads from Kiana, hebi, and DLE

[Katyusha]

i want to see how she reevaluates

[Katyusha]

scum!Hebi is locked into shooting dunn
scum!anyone else but gaiden is deciding if {Hebi, Gaiden, Dunn as soft-confirmed} or {Katy, Gaiden} is worse to have around I guess so everyone just shoots dunn here even if they feel threatened by me

[Katyusha]

unless im forgetting someone it was just hebi and dunn

we had more vig claims

[Katyusha]

wait for hebi to out a result on gaiden

[Katyusha]

btw I'd like to request hammersitting privileges today

Sure

[Katyusha]

Good ol’ PerV

[Katyusha]

so tentatively i think gamma shoots two people tonight, and if necessary we set up gamma's shot with elbirn's card today?

or gamma can shoot hebi + someone who has not used a card tonight and DLE can vig today?

[Katyusha]

DLE claimed a vig so i think the plan is to shoot someone who isnt sky/hebi and then gamma shoots sky/hebi

or are we going to discuss if vigs can be scum again

[Katyusha]

I want to know everyone's opinion about whether there are 3 scum or the likelihood of 4 scum. I want to figure out if it is optimal for me to use my spell card today or let others mechanically resolve the game with their own spellcards first.

I personally think there are only 3 scum, but if I'm wrong again that would be catastophic.

I’m still on three scum

I kind of just want to eviscerate everyone outside of you lexa and gamma though if we can honestly

[Katyusha]

Gamma’s been like his town self - quirky nonsense reads and OMGUSy I guess. He’s usually very flippant as town in a way he’s not as scum from experience

Lexa’s walls are all super awesome and Eddie has told me in the past they have a bad scumgame and considering I’ve usually identified her as scum from like 1 or 2 posts in games with her I’ve watched I’m inclined to agree

If there’s four scum I don’t even know where to begin

[Katyusha]

Like I’ve been positive all game/D2 that no one in {Gamma, Lexa, Dunn} flips scum, Kiana is like 90% town but I don’t have meta that backs me up, the tell on Purrcs is kind of shaky as well

[Katyusha]

Yeah no I get you

I probably should relook things over but I’m kind of out of it rn

Pedit: lol I’m a meta reliant player and I’ve heard good things about you as a player so

[Katyusha]

Paging DLE to talk about his vig

[Katyusha]

Are we going to play Mafia soon?

yeah we just need dle to claim so we can figure out if we have a vig today zzzz

[Katyusha]

So we are waiting for Sky_Paladin, Lexa, Purrc and DLE to claim?

yes

i still am leaning on 3 scum though, i dont see the argument for four

like theres just

too many townie slots

[Katyusha]

dle said he had a vig thats all

[Katyusha]

well i depression spiraled and we're waiting on 2 replacements

thats nice

i'll catch up and be useful tomorrow, sorry about that guys

[Katyusha]

sorry for depression flaking everyone

metal sonic played well, didn't see the rest of the game but i'm kind of disappointed that my reads on lexa, elbirn, and purrcs didnt seem to stick. i was pretty confident on all of those

i guess that's what happens when you cant keep yourself in check