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Post Post #18 (isolation #0) » Tue May 01, 2018 3:10 pm

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In post 16, Taly wrote:To avoid mindless killing that really does not serve anything but to create WIFOM; I suggest we all vote normally as if we were to lynch people.
Using your shot early means you're no longer a threat that day and thus not going to get shot, given there's no alliances set up yet.

That said, anyone who shoots Taly gets shot by me, so yeah you'd best shoot me first peeps.
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Post Post #22 (isolation #1) » Tue May 01, 2018 3:14 pm

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@Taly, let's make a townbloc mmmk.

You state you'll shoot anyone that shoots me, I've stated I'm shooting your shooter. As people join townbloc we create a circle of protection via mutually assured destruction. People without a shot left can't join, since they can't "protect" anyone else.

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Post Post #25 (isolation #2) » Tue May 01, 2018 3:17 pm

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In post 24, Eddie Cane wrote:why are yall so serious this is a meme game lol
Hardplaying your win condition and playing dumb won't work here!!! We all know wassup with you!
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Post Post #28 (isolation #3) » Tue May 01, 2018 3:21 pm

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Ahhhh, the first-post shoot as a reaction test gambit...it's a bold strategy cotton, let's see how that works out for them.
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Post Post #33 (isolation #4) » Tue May 01, 2018 3:28 pm

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In post 30, Taly wrote:Let me make sure of how this plays out-

We protect each other by shooting who shoots us.
People who don't join the townbloc and wavelength with the protection won't be apart of this.

My biggest worry is, how would we have a strong idea someone is town who assures protection/a shot against a shooter? It's a bit early to form reads.
Townbloc is sort of a misnomer, more a non-shooty-bloc.

Step 1: Person A says they'll shoot anyone who shoots person B. Person B says they'll shoot whoever shoots person A. Thus anyone wanting to shoot A or B gets shot themselves.
Step 2: Person C wants to join. A shoots anyone shooting B, B shoots anyone shooting C, C shoots anyone shooting A. Thus you have circular protection.
Step 3: Keep extending this out as people join.

If we decide that someone in the bloc needs to die, we just nominate someone to shoot them, I'll take that as first responsibility if required.

That said, I think this would work if we just all said "we'll shoot anyone that shoots into the bloc" without the whole circle thing, but I'm just spitballing at this point.
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Post Post #43 (isolation #5) » Tue May 01, 2018 3:36 pm

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In post 35, wingedcatgirl wrote:Because I had been wondering what exactly was stopping us all from just. doing that again.

... It is something stopping us, right?
Scum presumably have their own dayshots, so if we did it we're just guessing that town has more vests/better strongman than scum.
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Post Post #45 (isolation #6) » Tue May 01, 2018 3:38 pm

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In post 39, Taly wrote:Circular protection might be easier to document moreso than votes, but I still want people pushing their town and scumreads as if we were thinking about someone to lynch.
Votes is fine to scumhunt, the protection strategy is just to impose some controls on the randomness, it has nothing to do with scum vs town, other than town preferring order while scum prefer chaos.
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Post Post #51 (isolation #7) » Tue May 01, 2018 3:42 pm

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In post 47, Theta Alpine wrote:
In post 43, Sando wrote:
In post 35, wingedcatgirl wrote:Because I had been wondering what exactly was stopping us all from just. doing that again.

... It is something stopping us, right?
Scum presumably have their own dayshots, so if we did it we're just guessing that town has more vests/better strongman than scum.
oh yeah that too
If we somehow find out they don't...we just mass-claim and direct shots to minimise casualties until we find people that can't shoot, and they're scum.
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Post Post #54 (isolation #8) » Tue May 01, 2018 3:43 pm

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In post 50, Taly wrote:Where would your vote go right now?
Anyone shooting this early is playing against town, so one of them. The longer we go the more egregious the "random" shots are, so basically whoever shot last.
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Post Post #57 (isolation #9) » Tue May 01, 2018 3:47 pm

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In post 56, Srceenplay wrote:Thanks for taking the heat off me with all that shade.
Too many people, I can't really be expected to actually refer to people by name can I?! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post Post #63 (isolation #10) » Tue May 01, 2018 3:56 pm

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Fine Taly, I'll do it:

VOTE: Screenplay
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Post Post #119 (isolation #11) » Tue May 01, 2018 4:33 pm

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In post 115, Lovebird wrote:Fluff?
Is that you offering me something? If so I'm not sure what a fluff is, but yeah sure I'll take free stuff.
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Post Post #123 (isolation #12) » Tue May 01, 2018 4:34 pm

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VOTE: Ankamius

Taly made me do it
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Post Post #157 (isolation #13) » Tue May 01, 2018 6:44 pm

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I've decided that the circular protection scheme is just too much admin at the moment, and I think just group-think is fine for now.

So I'm starting the Players Rightly Impressively Correctly Killing Scum club. Anyone who wants to join the PRICKS club just has to say that yes they want to join the PRICKS club. I'm going to assume Taly is part, and I'm also part. To join you must still have your Day 1 kill.

Rules:
1. You can only kill people who have shot a member of PRICKS, unless...
2. A majority of PRICKS members decide to kill someone (this could be inside or outside of PRICKS), in which case someone can shoot that person or will be nominated to kill them
3. Shooting outside of 1 or 2 will result in removal from PRICKS, although not being shot unless you shot into PRICKS.
4. You retain membership in PRICKS if you shoot within rules 1 or 2

Rule 2 will not come into effect until there are 11+ members of PRICKS or ~48 hours from now.
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Post Post #158 (isolation #14) » Tue May 01, 2018 6:46 pm

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In post 154, Iconeum wrote:This isn't a townbloc. This is purely self-preservation.
Do you honestly think everyone who shot already is scum?
If not, you seem very happy to not include them into your 'town circle'. If it's a townbloc, you'd be letting people in based off of reads and/or gut. Not having a shot left.
Not so much, but they're useless in the circle since they don't have a shot anymore to offer protection to the rest of the circle. Maybe once we get critical mass they can join, otherwise they're on their own till tomorrow.
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Post Post #161 (isolation #15) » Tue May 01, 2018 6:52 pm

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In post 160, the worst wrote:How about Winners At Not Killing EveRy townie Swiftly?
Ummm...that would create the acronym of W*****S, and that's rude!!! So rude I have to censor it! :cop: :cop:
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Post Post #163 (isolation #16) » Tue May 01, 2018 6:53 pm

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Glad you agree!
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Post Post #165 (isolation #17) » Tue May 01, 2018 6:56 pm

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Do you want to join PRICKS?
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Post Post #168 (isolation #18) » Tue May 01, 2018 7:01 pm

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In post 166, hebichan wrote:okay, before I get shot, I just got back.

Where are we plan wise?

I would like to join pricks.
Awwww yiss.

PRICKS isn't really a plan so much as the foundations of other plans. Other than that, Taly is basically advocating we play normal mafia and substitute our shots for lynches.
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Post Post #169 (isolation #19) » Tue May 01, 2018 7:02 pm

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PRICKS (and sometimes WANKERS) members:
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Shooting any of these members will result in getting shot yourself.
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Post Post #171 (isolation #20) » Tue May 01, 2018 7:06 pm

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In post 170, the worst wrote:Can I reserve a spot for TheBrie?

Australian faction of team cyclops 2018 gotta stick together
Eh, we're in a safe spot atm waiting for mod to process a kill, so they've got a chance to /in themselves. Post that if they haven't posted, sure.
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Post Post #178 (isolation #21) » Tue May 01, 2018 7:14 pm

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In post 173, Iconeum wrote:I want to join the PRICKS'n WANKERS club though. It can come to good use, just not for making a town circle like you were advocating
Done, yeah townbloc was a misnomer, I clarified later:
In post 45, Sando wrote:Votes is fine to scumhunt, the protection strategy is just to impose some controls on the randomness, it has nothing to do with scum vs town, other than town preferring order while scum prefer chaos.
PRICKS (and sometimes WANKERS) will allow for townblocks though, and other super cool gambits.

Just a way to cut down on the randomness at least a little bit.
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Post Post #179 (isolation #22) » Tue May 01, 2018 7:14 pm

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In post 174, Varsoon wrote:
Shoot: BBmolla


I realized something.
We're waiting on mod to process bbmolla's shot first anyway, pretty sure this didn't count.
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Post Post #180 (isolation #23) » Tue May 01, 2018 7:15 pm

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Oh shit, Taly's gonna be angry at me:

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Post Post #187 (isolation #24) » Tue May 01, 2018 7:52 pm

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In post 186, Ausuka wrote:we're probably all just echo bay citizens tbh
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Post Post #190 (isolation #25) » Tue May 01, 2018 8:00 pm

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Serious.
VOTE: Ausuka
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Post Post #192 (isolation #26) » Tue May 01, 2018 8:06 pm

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EBCs (my acronyms are better, mod) know that they win once they're the only faction, so if we're all EBCs then the game is over. You not realising this says you're not an ECB.
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Post Post #196 (isolation #27) » Tue May 01, 2018 8:16 pm

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In post 194, Ausuka wrote:2) if we're all town this is a bastard game anyway and the wincons can lie. like, does the game normally end when it begins if the game is all town? probably not.
It's not a bastard game, mod said so in their creation post in the Large Theme Game Queue.
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Post Post #198 (isolation #28) » Tue May 01, 2018 8:31 pm

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In post 195, Ausuka wrote:
In post 193, Iconeum wrote:Lol, ausuka suggesting that hipfire/random killing is pro-town?
yeah, probably. if everyone else agrees with you and taly and sando and some others that shooting is bad and we should just play this game normally i'll just replace out though. i can't handle a game this big.
There's a big difference between "normal" and completely random killing. You just finished a game with me, it should be clear that I'm not exactly playing like "normal".

But hey, if you want to just randomly kill people, there's only 4-5 people atm that if you do it to there'd be any consequences at all, so go for your life, you do you.
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Post Post #202 (isolation #29) » Tue May 01, 2018 8:56 pm

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In post 201, the worst wrote:I dont like to defend Ausuka (when I do she turns into scum) but that was defs trolling
You take the fun out of life.

Put it back in.
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Post Post #204 (isolation #30) » Tue May 01, 2018 9:01 pm

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In post 203, Iconeum wrote:Is that a threat?
Not even a promise.
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Post Post #236 (isolation #31) » Wed May 02, 2018 1:24 am

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In post 235, Srceenplay wrote:Everyone is an echo bay cit.
it’s the apocalypse and it’s the last man standing wins.
Game broke you are welcome. Continue with your killing.
You poor, poor soul.
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Post Post #237 (isolation #32) » Wed May 02, 2018 1:25 am

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Shit, sorry Taly!

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Post Post #239 (isolation #33) » Wed May 02, 2018 1:28 am

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PRICKS (and sometimes WANKERS) members:
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TheBrie

Shooting any of these members will result in getting shot yourself.
In post 209, TheBrie wrote:Happy to join PRICKS. Conditional on that being pricks as is pinpricks.
Yeah sure...why not.
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Post Post #241 (isolation #34) » Wed May 02, 2018 1:30 am

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So we've not only not hit scum, we've also failed to hit a bulletproof person, or we've happened to strongman through it. My guess is strongman peeps are gonna be more careful with their shots due to the power of it.
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Post Post #255 (isolation #35) » Wed May 02, 2018 1:56 am

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In post 250, Taly wrote:I've given more thought to this, and seeing Sando make an example here gives me a better idea of how it'll work. This is a valid strategy to not only figure out people's interactions, but see their reads.
Just giving peeps space to work, plus I find random kills particularly boring, so hopefully it'll sort itself out in the next few days into something interesting.

Pretty sure we're gonna build a block, it'll get shot at once or twice and that person will die, then the people outside the block will decide to either join or kill each other with their super funtimes "random" shots.

Then the fun starts.
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Post Post #258 (isolation #36) » Wed May 02, 2018 2:00 am

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Taly, what I'm saying is chill, nothing happening now is going to result in decent reads, unless you want to pull something like StefanB is right now, then this game isn't going to get interesting till the herd is at least thinned to a controllable point. Create the block, sit in it, protect it, and we'll get an interesting game in a few IRL days as the world burns around us.

PS. I feel like I'm playing to the lore, creating a block of people watching the world burn around them :lol: :lol: You're welcome mod.
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Post Post #263 (isolation #37) » Wed May 02, 2018 2:08 am

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In post 259, Taly wrote:I see your point. X_x Showing frustration is not going to help here.

I'll keep adding to the VC and townbloc while providing my assessments of the players and engaging with questions/thoughts.
<3

One thing I've been considering, at some point the mod's activity levels is gonna play a part of this game since kills need to get resolved before moving onto the next one. I'm assuming any scum have daychat so have the advantage in terms of coordination. Probably a decent idea for us to have a good handle on the xyzzy's activity habits before scum start exploiting it against us. Admittedly I dunno how they do that without painting a massive target on themselves...but still, worth considering.
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Post Post #266 (isolation #38) » Wed May 02, 2018 2:11 am

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On the subject of mod activity, I think we implement a town-rule. Anyone submitting a kill within say 1 hour (at this player level this seems safe) of the mod resolving a kill should be the target of any towns kill.

ie, if you're on and you see someone shoot within an hour of a previous kill being resolved by mod, shoot the person that sent that kill and break any scum cycle that's happening.
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Post Post #272 (isolation #39) » Wed May 02, 2018 2:19 am

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In post 270, Taly wrote:266 > Would this rule conflict with the "you must have a shot to be in the townbloc?" I do think timing of kills may be AI given the nature of this game.
We need a few more members, say up to 10 or so, but then yes, I think it takes priority over that, we'd have enough shots elsewhere to ensure the kill.
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Post Post #276 (isolation #40) » Wed May 02, 2018 2:24 am

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In post 270, Taly wrote:I will say xyzzy was pretty active my time last night. (Central time, 8 to 9 PM) but I don't know if that's usual.
Stated as Virginia, so it's just after 9am there for them.

So yeah, basically active during my downtime, it's 11pm here. I can't see a way scum abuse the mod being away, unless they have abilities that don't require a mod-resolve, probably not worth us worrying about imo. But yeah, US peeps probs on notice.

That said, shooting US people is probably anti-town at this point. Followed by shooting the EU herd I think.
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Post Post #278 (isolation #41) » Wed May 02, 2018 2:31 am

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In post 267, Chickadee wrote:Wow. A lot of kills while i slept. Can’t say I’m surprised.

Varsoon hasn’t slipped yet right? Varsoon if you around and still alive why would you have rather shot iconium?
Wanna join PRICKS (and sometimes WANKERS)?
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Post Post #280 (isolation #42) » Wed May 02, 2018 2:37 am

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Any joining of PRICKS takes effect from the point it's stated BTW, it requires no acknowledgement from myself or anyone else. As long as you meet the requirements it's agreed, it's not a scumhunting tool, merely a game control tool.
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Post Post #281 (isolation #43) » Wed May 02, 2018 2:38 am

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In post 279, Gammagooey wrote:if i had a 2nd shot i think it'd go to almost50 for seeming a little overly jokey in the beginning

it's obv not a strong read though
I'm now upset that I have the stupidest post ever written, it's too early for the mantle to be passed on.
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Post Post #289 (isolation #44) » Wed May 02, 2018 2:55 am

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PRICKS (and sometimes WANKERS) members:
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Chickadee

Shooting any of these members will result in getting shot yourself.
In post 286, Chickadee wrote:Sure, I'll be a PRICK
Shit yeah, PRICKS 4 life
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Post Post #291 (isolation #45) » Wed May 02, 2018 2:58 am

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In post 288, Iconeum wrote:That's within a minute lol
The irony was not lost on me, nor the "happenstance" that they decided to submit a kill that soon after a mod-resolve, speaks to a decent understanding of the mechanics.

Can't see a scum motivation for it though, yet.

Not really a danger to town...yet.
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Post Post #294 (isolation #46) » Wed May 02, 2018 3:07 am

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In post 293, Gammagooey wrote:Sando's thing sounds a lot more like something for late game than something that matters now
There's potentially no late game, decent chance this is all over today or basically solved today.

I think you're about to realise just how pointless you are right now, and that maintaining your kill is the only thing keeping you relevant to discussion. We no longer care about you, you may make it to day 2 to make another extraordinarily insightful kill, but honestly at this point we couldn't GAF. There was no way this would work with all alive and you've thinned the herd admirably.

You can go now.
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Post Post #296 (isolation #47) » Wed May 02, 2018 3:09 am

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In post 292, Iconeum wrote:I am just noting it for future reference, I probably want to kill him before the day ends.
I'm undecided on kills today, figure we play it by ear and let the block decide. Main thing it's by far the scummiest of the kills so far imo.
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Post Post #298 (isolation #48) » Wed May 02, 2018 3:12 am

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In post 297, StefanB wrote:Really that is somethink that I exspect from most players of the playerlist. You can count on Gamma to get most mechanics, yes.
P.much the first one yet. The number of kills submitted while waiting for mod to resolve another kill is almost as long as the kill list.
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Post Post #300 (isolation #49) » Wed May 02, 2018 3:27 am

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In post 297, StefanB wrote:Austerity (Pro-sellshoots, and thoughts about Sando's idea that I ain't mentioning)
Unless this is self preservation, feel free to shoot holes all you'd like. My entire premise is that open-ness and control helps town more than scum.

That said, I'm off to bed.
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Post Post #369 (isolation #50) » Wed May 02, 2018 10:48 am

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In post 363, Momrangal wrote:I am not very fond of Sando unless he's familiar with Taly. I'm also debating creature.
I am familiar with Taly, yes.

I don't see how you're debating creature, you haven't said 2 words to him. What's the debate topic anyway?
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Post Post #372 (isolation #51) » Wed May 02, 2018 10:51 am

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In post 356, Momrangal wrote:And sure, as long as someone carries one of my reads afterward ~
Awww yiss, welcome to PRICKS. Whole point of PRICKS is to enable you to do your thing without "lol I'm such an edgelord, look how random I am" impacting you too much.

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Post Post #375 (isolation #52) » Wed May 02, 2018 10:56 am

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In post 373, the worst wrote:Sando why are you so keen to let Mom into PRICKS?--isnt this a breach? how do you know she isnt scum?
Breach?

Oh Shit, sorry, missed the kill, only just woke up, no coffee yet.

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Post Post #385 (isolation #53) » Wed May 02, 2018 11:01 am

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In post 341, the worst wrote:This might be awkward considering the general rule of PRICKS but I like Mom's entrance
Yeah sorry, missed the kill in my pre-coffee haze. I think any kill of someone who's already shot should be considered less scummy than killing someone who hasn't shot. That said, not sure it's townie, just less scummy.
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Post Post #387 (isolation #54) » Wed May 02, 2018 11:02 am

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In post 378, Momrangal wrote:I don't know if I'm fond of being in a town block where I'm not explicitly tw everyone in it yet anyhow
It's not a
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Post Post #412 (isolation #55) » Wed May 02, 2018 11:52 am

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In post 409, SnarkySnowman wrote:I think the PRICKS plan is kinda... not really helpful for alignment judging? Maybe even slightly scum favoring? If I understand it right.
It's not meant to alignment judge, it's meant to be neutral, although my guess is that scum would prefer randomness and PRICKS is anti-random.

But if you've got thoughts on it favouring scum then feel free.
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Post Post #415 (isolation #56) » Wed May 02, 2018 12:12 pm

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In post 414, Kokichi Oma wrote:
shoot: the worst
Sigh, you make me sad.

I'll do the deed on this one PRICKS.
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Post Post #418 (isolation #57) » Wed May 02, 2018 12:23 pm

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Ahhh, did that just resolve? BP? Or did mod mis-post the resolve?
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Post Post #419 (isolation #58) » Wed May 02, 2018 12:26 pm

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In post 416, Gammagooey wrote:I know you probably don't give a shit about what I have to say but you look like the towniest person in that group to me atm and I'd rather literally anyone else in there do it assuming the worst flips town
I'm around, and the worst was another Aussie I could rely on to be around at this time, so I think it's down to me. It's also a plan that lives and dies based on commitment to it, gotta lead from the front yo. Also I like the duckling and engaging in some cathartic revenge suits me just fine.

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Post Post #422 (isolation #59) » Wed May 02, 2018 12:29 pm

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Interesting, so duckling has a BP. Unless we can find scum might be worth "checking" his alignment at some point.
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Post Post #424 (isolation #60) » Wed May 02, 2018 12:33 pm

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In post 423, Momrangal wrote:I don't find it at all surprising for there to be a few town bps thisngame
We've gone through 1/4 of the playerbase and not hit one, unless strongarm'd, seems like long odds, and could potentially mean only scum has them.

Hasn't convinced me, but the deeper we go the more I'm going to be convinced.
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Post Post #448 (isolation #61) » Wed May 02, 2018 1:22 pm

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In post 434, Austerity wrote:Probably time to share what I was thinking. Scum have a LOT more to lose by getting shot than town do. So I think the PRICKS are likely to contain at least a few scum, probably more especially if there are multiple teams.
Can see the point, but also are scum likely to circle up and draw a massive target on their head? Especially with 12(?) townies already dead? Scum don't really have a LOT more to lose from getting shot anymore. Not to mention, I've made clear that it's protection from random shots only, we will be killing within the group. It's only scum dominated if town decide to go it alone, which is quite clearly NOT working.

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Post Post #452 (isolation #62) » Wed May 02, 2018 1:27 pm

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In post 450, Archwing wrote:can someone tldr PRICKS? i don't really wanna read the thread rn
A block that protects itself from "random" shots by shooting anyone that shoots into the wagon. Once time has passed (another 24 hours or so) or it gets big enough (another 2-3 players I reckon) we'll start looking at potentially using the block to do some regular scumhunting, both within the block and outside of it.

It only protects from random shots, it does not protect from being deliberately shot by the block.

That said, PRICKS, I think we implement an addendum, anyone shooting into the block that hits scum we don't shoot back. If someone wants to go super sayan and shoot a PRICKS scum member I don't see why we should shoot back. If they hit a BP though we shoot back still, ala what happened with duckling.
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Post Post #454 (isolation #63) » Wed May 02, 2018 1:29 pm

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In post 451, Austerity wrote:And just because town lolshooting isn't working out... doesn't mean they're going to stop doing it.
So? Have you seen me raging at non-PRICKS shooting each other? I beyond don't care about them shooting each other, if that's their game feel free, I personally find that incredibly dull and pointless. Hence, PRICKS.
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Post Post #469 (isolation #64) » Wed May 02, 2018 3:11 pm

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In post 462, Srceenplay wrote:Can someone shoot the Bp again to make sure they are not a sk and to confirm my theory.
Do you have strongman?
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Post Post #470 (isolation #65) » Wed May 02, 2018 3:27 pm

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In post 459, the worst wrote:PRICKS is basically a cry for order and a free vengekill for those who are anti order. Organisationally it is pro town imo but scum will definitely join in.
Pretty much this.
In post 455, wingedcatgirl wrote:Also I forgot to ask this and probably should have done so earlier: what is the PRANKERS position on people leaving the pacifishbloc?
I think this would depend on how, when and why. If you left it say late in the day to opportunistically kill and hit town...yeah we'd probs kill you. If you said start of D2 with first post "yo guys, not interested in PRICKS today", no hard feelings, play on.

Basically I think it'd be left up to members decisions, but wouldn't incur auto-kill, but would be viewed with intense suspicion depending on circumstances.
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Post Post #472 (isolation #66) » Wed May 02, 2018 4:00 pm

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In post 471, Vaxkiller wrote:
Kill snarky.
This amuses me.
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Post Post #479 (isolation #67) » Wed May 02, 2018 6:03 pm

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Bulletproof at all?
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Post Post #482 (isolation #68) » Wed May 02, 2018 7:02 pm

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We're up to 9 with 8 shots left, I think another 2 people and we can start using those on people we think are scum.
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Post Post #484 (isolation #69) » Wed May 02, 2018 7:44 pm

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In post 483, Iconeum wrote:more often then not, this is an intended town slip
I made the same observation earlier, why is this one in particular bad?
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Post Post #583 (isolation #70) » Thu May 03, 2018 11:01 am

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One more and I think we start taking our votes seriously and acting on them (slowly). Just as a thought, I think I just randomise who uses their shot from our group to lynch-shoot, thoughts?
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Post Post #584 (isolation #71) » Thu May 03, 2018 11:01 am

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In post 580, the worst wrote:But being anti or sceptical of PRICKS
for good ressons
is probs towny
I'm not seeing a lot of this though, mostly just "zomg scum could join".
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Post Post #589 (isolation #72) » Thu May 03, 2018 11:07 am

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In post 585, the worst wrote:NOPE
What then? If we leave it up to whoevers online then the scum in the block are gonna just flake out on using their kills, admittedly a tell but not one I'm really confident on reading. We could vote on the shooter I guess, but admin, urgh. I mean it matters not D1, but I think we should have a process in place for D2 onwards.
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Post Post #592 (isolation #73) » Thu May 03, 2018 11:10 am

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In post 586, the worst wrote:
In post 584, Sando wrote:
In post 580, the worst wrote:But being anti or sceptical of PRICKS
for good ressons
is probs towny
I'm not seeing a lot of this though, mostly just "zomg scum could join".
Do you think this in particular comes from scum more than town?
Good constructive problems being raised are probably more town-leaning, although there's nothing stopping scum from having good thoughts on an open plan. Throwing shade with no or bad reasoning is more likely to come from scum. I think this setup is meant to be a bit of fun, and I don't think any townie who wants to take it even semi seriously throws shade at something that helps them take it semi-seriously, and I think the jokers mostly just ignore it.
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Post Post #607 (isolation #74) » Thu May 03, 2018 11:53 am

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In post 598, the worst wrote:
In post 589, Sando wrote:
In post 585, the worst wrote:NOPE
What then? If we leave it up to whoevers online then the scum in the block are gonna just flake out on using their kills, admittedly a tell but not one I'm really confident on reading. We could vote on the shooter I guess, but admin, urgh. I mean it matters not D1, but I think we should have a process in place for D2 onwards.
Literally anti town and anti WANKERS for me to explain in more detail rn :oops: sorry.
Uhhh, k, but we're gonna need a way to decide who does the killing, unless we can convince a non-PRICKS to do it. Wanna just state how we should do it w/o reasoning?
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Post Post #608 (isolation #75) » Thu May 03, 2018 11:56 am

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In post 604, Momrangal wrote:Also why I claimed is pretty obvious? Sando (imo) was about to go about calling the duck scum because she hadn't died and I wasn't happy with it
I mean the only person who has flipped with a BP has been scum...the hypothesis that "only scum has BP" still stands, for me at least, someone without a BP. I'm not pushing for all BPs to be shot, just keeping it in mind for later, although you claiming over it says it's probably not a valid hypothesis and that you're probably town.
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Post Post #615 (isolation #76) » Thu May 03, 2018 12:10 pm

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In post 612, the worst wrote:Yus whoever is on and wants to be WANKERS' executioner should do it
Urgh, fine, for today we do that.
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Post Post #625 (isolation #77) » Thu May 03, 2018 12:58 pm

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In post 623, Almost50 wrote:This is because they do not want to accidentally shoot one of their own.
Wat? Surely they know their own. If there's 2+ scum factions, surely they'd be ok with shooting the other faction too, at least now that the idiocy regarding "we're all townies" is over.
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Post Post #636 (isolation #78) » Thu May 03, 2018 1:28 pm

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In post 626, light_ganski wrote:I get this on the basis of not being able to extract information in these situations, but kills should still eb agreed on by the group if possible
I'll answer both your questions here:

Firstly, I don't think we do anything about the mod activity, merely get a record out there on when they're active vs inactive.

As to the second point about shooting back at opportunistic kills post-resolve, my fear is that in later days scum are going to draw up a kill-list and just run through it to win the game. They can co-ordinate within themselves and know the mod activity, and they can artificially create their own end-game. 5 scum and 7 town left, scum just shoot 5 times in a row and we're left with 5 scum and 2 town, nothing townies can do at that point in time.

To stop this, the only option is to break the cycle, town need to be on top of it and kill the over-eager submitter, without waiting for everyone to get on board with it, since that'll take too long and scumplan comes to fruition.

Not something to be concerned about D1 I don't think, but something town need to keep in mind in later days.
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Post Post #654 (isolation #79) » Thu May 03, 2018 2:28 pm

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In post 650, wingedcatgirl wrote:*headtilt* I swear to god, at some point around game start I read some public text by the mod that said something to the effect of "there could be multiball and traitors". Which I, personally, interpreted as "there is probably multiball and traitors".
Ok people can read into this as deliberately trying to towntell, but go for your life.

So they have traitors, one flipped so that is obvious, so I'll use that as example. My understanding of this is that say there's 4 normal scum and 1 traitor, all 5 know who each other are, they just don't know who the traitor is (except the traitor). If that's the case, why do they have to worry about hitting themselves with shots? They know who is scum with them even if one of them might be a traitor. How can they accidentally hit a scumbuddy?
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Post Post #657 (isolation #80) » Thu May 03, 2018 2:35 pm

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We've lost hebichan, no need to shoot them though PRICKS members.
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Post Post #658 (isolation #81) » Thu May 03, 2018 2:36 pm

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In post 656, Almost50 wrote:Come on, Sando. Do some extra work and actually read!

each non-town faction may have one or more traitors, here used to refer to a player who knows what faction they're a member of
but not who else is a member of their faction.
the non-traitor members of the non-town factions will know how many traitors their faction has.


The traitor does NOT know who the members are, and neither do the members know who the traitor is.
Oh right, that makes sense then.
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Post Post #664 (isolation #82) » Thu May 03, 2018 2:53 pm

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In post 663, wingedcatgirl wrote:... Oh! I see the miscommunication.
Yaya, A50 pointed it out, but he's angry at me from a previous game so he's being passive aggressive about it :lol: :lol: :lol:

I geddit now.
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Post Post #667 (isolation #83) » Thu May 03, 2018 3:18 pm

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In post 666, the worst wrote:Do you like Men At Work Sando?
Down Under for national anthem!
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Post Post #673 (isolation #84) » Thu May 03, 2018 4:01 pm

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Spoiler:
In post 670, Almost50 wrote:The problem is I'm running out of Men At Work references (they only had 3 albums). Can I use other Aussie musician references? Anything form the Bee Gees (who aren't really Australian, but whatever) to INXS, and from Olivia Newton-John to Kylie Minogue..
AC/DC, Powderfinger, and Living End would be some of my favourites to add to the list.
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Post Post #697 (isolation #85) » Thu May 03, 2018 7:11 pm

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In post 695, ooba wrote:Also this is the worst thing about voting and discussing - if you're suspicious of scum and both you+suspect still have a shot - the optimal thing might be to take the first shot.
Hence why PRICKS exists, you can accuse people and discuss that with at least some protection from them just shooting first.

(Han shot first)
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Post Post #834 (isolation #86) » Fri May 04, 2018 5:53 pm

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In post 831, the worst wrote:I need someone to rage kill

Taly/Sando who am I rageshooting
Iunno, I've spent all day trying to stop people raging and going yolo, it aint working all that well. I honestly expected anyone leaving PRICKS like that to flip scum, but obviously that aint on point, and my scum-reads D1 general suck balls. I'll try again with PRICKS tomorrow, atm town have decided that shooting themselves and being edgelords is the best course of action, not much I can do unfortunately.
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Post Post #879 (isolation #87) » Sat May 05, 2018 11:02 am

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PRICKS (and sometimes WANKERS and PRANKERS) members:
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Shooting any of these members will result in getting shot yourself.
In post 853, Ausuka wrote:1) there's very, very likely scum joining the PRICKS bloc and she seems to be a likely candidate.
Much like the whole "zomg if we shoot random it hurts scum when they get hit lol", evidence is pointing towards this being wrong. Blindly stating this was a reasonable point 20 pages back, now it's just pointless.
In post 855, Ausuka wrote:Yeah, because actually using the mechanics of this game and strying to kill scum is "being (an) edgelord." What have you done to advance the town wincon, anyway? All you've done is protect players who either wouldn't have been shot without severe repurcussions anyway, or are very possible scum. Get off your high horse.
If you actually thought town would gamesolve or actually achieve anything with their shots used in a solo manner...I think I'll stay up here thanks. The idea is to get people who are capable of a gamesolve mindset through to later days. Flat out you don't understand the mechanics, or if you do you're probably scum. Leaving more information in the hands of scum is...anti-town, and allowing town to actually explore the mechanics of the game is...wait for it...pro-town.

The idea in a game with fairly unique mechanics that you can actually advance the town wincon with "normal" scumhunting is sheer lunacy.
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Post Post #880 (isolation #88) » Sat May 05, 2018 11:08 am

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BTW, it may be worth suggesting that we create a list of people for D2 that must forfeit their shot in their first D2 post or get shot themeselves. I dunno if it's a great idea to publicise the list, but getting people to give up their shot somehow seems like a better start than blindly shooting into them.
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Post Post #886 (isolation #89) » Sat May 05, 2018 12:37 pm

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In post 883, the worst wrote:I'd say shoot people who we think are scummy.
Yep, end of day, chat with PRICKS and people you trust and if you get a quorum I think go for it.
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Post Post #906 (isolation #90) » Sat May 05, 2018 4:13 pm

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In post 884, TheBrie wrote:Seems sort of reasonable. But how could the list work if it's not publicized?
No more that potentially having to publicise it makes it not so useful at all? I think it's a good idea but I haven't fully thought through the implications yet and putting it out there for others to think about too.
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Post Post #919 (isolation #91) » Sat May 05, 2018 7:12 pm

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In post 915, TheBrie wrote:I do not understand what you said there. So I'll just repeat my question with more details.
How does anyone know they'll be shot unless they forfeit their shot, if the list isn't public?
Also, unless this is just one person's list, it has to be settled in public.
Urgh, I'm NOT saying that the list should be private. I'm saying that the list should be public and settled on.

I'm ALSO saying that the list being public may create some unintended consequences that I haven't thought of, and that should mean the entire list idea should be scrapped.

I'm not advocating a private list, I'm saying a public list might not work, in which case NO LIST is best.
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Post Post #921 (isolation #92) » Sat May 05, 2018 10:20 pm

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In post 920, Nero Cain wrote:Samdo, y no reaction to my wanting to shoot u?
Cause you aint got the balls.

Plus you obviously didn't see the whole PRICKS thing, which says a lot about your priorities given you want to shoot me... You clearly haven't ISO'd me, yet you want to shoot me, I was somewhat interested to see whether you'd put your money where you mouth is, turns out no.
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Post Post #928 (isolation #93) » Sun May 06, 2018 12:56 am

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In post 923, Nero Cain wrote:ok then, I'll shoot you after the NM shot resolves.
Of you go then big boy, you're signing your own death warrant, shooting a townie, and playing against your win condition, regardless of alignment, but you do you.

You're also an absolute moron, but that's opinion, not a fact, like the previous.
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Post Post #929 (isolation #94) » Sun May 06, 2018 12:57 am

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In post 927, the worst wrote:If this resolves itself shortly I'll shoot Nero.
I'm flat out town and Nero is just the stupidest person put on the planet, enjoy the game boys.
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Post Post #932 (isolation #95) » Sun May 06, 2018 12:59 am

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I'll PM ya when I do :)
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