Maria's Anime Binge Game over!

[Taly]

I am Sailor Taly!

VOTE: Creature

In the name of the town, I'll vote you!

[Taly]

But real talk:

1)

Double lynch option sounds good only if there's some form of near-conf that we have caught scum.

2)

I like the idea of learning more about the setup, since this is role madness.

3)

If I'm reading this correctly; I'd love to see Mafia shit themselves.

I'm undecided, but I'm liking 3 off initial first impressions.

[Taly]

I was questioning on whether

Beeboy

or

Creature

becomes the object of my early hard-defense.

But I think my choice is close to being made.

[Taly]

Ugh god I don't even know where to start.

It's 6 AM, I'm on VLA, and I won't be on my computer until the 26th.

So I'm breaking my thoughts into MULTIPLE game posts.

But if there was ever a time I wanted to paint a page with my wallposts, now would be it.

Half of D1 was literally scum taking a shit all over the gamethread narrative.

If you voted to lynch Screen, voted for option 1, DID NOT vote to lynch Toranga - you have 2 options:
1) Tell me why I shouldn't tunnel you.
2) Retire from Mafia.

[Taly]

I admit

I misplayed by using my D1 ability WAY TOO early.

But I don't regret kidnapping beeboy.

1) I think he was town, and even more likely to be town now.
2) By past experience as a Town Miller, I was not going to let Beeboy get shit-PLed.... I think town more likely claims this type of stuff upfront. But that's not a.fact I don't think, I just have 0 gamesense.
3) His wagon, even if RVS was stupid AF especially after claim.

I do have more valid reasons behind my action, but at the moment, I don't know if saying them will help towns game perception more than giving scum a map to fuck with me and town.

Going to give reads very soon.

They are better reasoned than they look. I'm just phoneposting so I really don't have the tools for elaborate wallposts.

[Taly]

Also I think my reads are much more worthwhile because I wasn't thrown into the shitfest that was D1, versus my reads if I had not disappeared.

So I got a less a biased look of the game.

I'm still flavor claiming Sailor Moon for the entirety of this game.

[Taly]

I didn't think so either but *sheugs*

At first glance, he was a townread and I acted on it.

[Taly]

Town

Taly
GiF
KidAmn
Beeboy

((If any of the above gets mislynched, I'm going first.))

Creature
Wisdom
Nosferatsu
Northsidegal
Nicorobin

((The above can be town for now))

Kokichi

((^^What the fuck?))

Keychain
Misaka
Wheme
Acryon

((Confident there is +1 scum in here... looking at you Misaka for that vote history.))

Purroceat

((Probably scum but not very confident as i haven't formulated very strong reasons to suggest so yet.))

Katsuki

((^^Death tunneling this shit, most likely.))

VOTE: Katsuki

1) Sxumclaimed and I honestly believe it
2) literally useless.
3) Voted Screen, didn't vote Toranga, nd wanted 2 lynches.
4) Upon not gaining the "correct" information, they didn't want a 2nd lynch AFTER VOTING FOR IT. Backtracking and giving wxcuses for poor decisions is not a Town mindset.

YOU GUYS HAVE NO RIGHT TO XOMPLAIN ABOUT THE 2 LYNCH OPTION WHEN YOU COULD HAVE DIRECTLY HURT THE SCUMTEAM BY CHOOSING OPTION 3.

Katsuki Is my best guess for Toranga partner.

I thought and wrote down some more reasons why I think Katsuki is scum but my attention is now divided.

I'll just throw another vote each time I remember or find a reason to kill this.

[Taly]

Oh I see now...

Hard to see spoilers on Mobile for me XD

ISOing purr. Some of my read is gut so I don't know how valid that is D2

[Taly]

Actually nevermind Purr can be town for now

Most of my grievances there were their opening posts and directly being the opposite of my thoughts st the time.

They also avoided that stupid ass Screen mislynch like the plague it was. So go Purr

[Taly]

Who the hell lynches a D1 claim in a role madness?

[Taly]

True

Why is Wheme and Acryon more likely scumbuddies in your eyes versus Katsuki, Misaka, nd Kokichi?

Also, my WTF read on Kokichi is not exactly a scumread.

To me, he's either scum or town playing against his ring in. Given his disposition in the game and how towns on MS self destruct, I don't feel strongly aboiut him at the moment.

[Taly]

Holy shit auto correct

Town playing against his wincon*

[Taly]

Ok yeah Wheme

Why did you try to squeeze a mislynch out of the girl with a post restriction?

Also Wheme, Tora was terrible with that shithammer and if it wasn't for him doing that, I would've completely forgot he was even in this game.

If you wanted to cast transparent suspicion on a sensisble wagon, why don't you call anyone's vote out?

[Taly]

Reasons for Acryon? If they differ from Wheme?

I was unsure about Creature but then he started posting more things that didn't give me a headache unlike several other members of this playerlist. So he's town to me right now

I don't think it's far fetched for scum to defend a Town lynch but venturing with that thought process right now gives way to WID
FOM

So I see your point

[Taly]

WIFOM*

Omfg this is why I never phonepost guys

[Taly]

Ewww wtf

If there's any bussing going on its 1061

Acryon, you went from "i want a claim" like a decent player to "let's end the day hurrhurrrhurrrrr"

1003 is the most important post of this game. Keychains pre NK reads.

Oh look Wisdom, most of who we suspect mirrors the reads here.

Since everyone is scared of role info. in this game, scum probably NKed Keychain off the merit of him scumread them.

Namely, if there are more than 1 scum in {Acryon, Wheme, Kokichi, Katsuki, Misaka}

Then Creature and Purr were not only designated wagons or mislynches, but are very likely town here.

Same can be said for Nick on a smaller degree.

[Taly]

I've stopped giving a fuck about correcting myself

Ask questions if you want me to clarify something

[Taly]

I would switch to Acryon to get in sync eith you

But Katsukis ISO and game approach is really, really bad. And I don't want him to last to lylo. If he's not lynched now I don't know if people will lynch later

So Wisdom.
What do you think we learn IF Acryon flips town?
What do you think we learn IF Acryon flips scum?

What do you think we learn IF Katsuki flips town?
What do you think we learn IF Katsuki flips scum?

^^These questions are for anyone who cares about gamesolving and town cohesion

[Taly]

Yeah Nosferatsu has an approach to this game that can come easily from either alignment. If you and I suck with our reads I don't be surprised eith scum here.

But with that said, I have too many scumread and I need to narrow it

[Taly]

Ehhh... Katsuki wanted a NO LYNCH during the "let's kill Creature because lolol" so I think he's less likely scumbuddy with Tiranga than Acryon

Plus I tunnel town too much when I have accurate scumreads otherwise.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: acryon

[Taly]

I still want rope thrown at Katsuki.

I'm just acknowledging an Acryon flip is probably more likely in dispelling or confirming an associative.

[Taly]

Acryon, you lost me when you boiled my vote down to a Wisdom sheep.

1) I'm pretty sure you were replaceable with that hammer.
2) If you cared about claiming, why didn't you try to slow down the votes?
3) Why is Purr so bad? You're not giving a valid assessment here.
4) I get you're trying to narrow options here, but you're not looking at the full "who voted for what" with the dayphase powers... So I don't know what all connections you're making to support your idea for people being scum, when it's possible they are just wrong town.
5) I stated my case for Katsuki. Do you have a reply to that?
6) Thoughts on Misaka?

[Taly]

Acryon, you lost me when you boiled my vote down to a Wisdom sheep.

1) I'm pretty sure you were replaceable with that hammer.
2) If you cared about claiming, why didn't you try to slow down the votes?
3) Why is Purr so bad? You're not giving a valid assessment here.
4) I get you're trying to narrow options here, but you're not looking at the full "who voted for what" with the dayphase powers... So I don't know what all connections you're making to support your idea for people being scum, when it's possible they are just wrong town.
5) I stated my case for Katsuki. Do you have a reply to that?
6) Thoughts on Misaka?

1) Maybe

Why maybe? Did you think people were magically going to unvote Toranga at L-2?

And if you DID think Tiranga was in no danger of an actual lynch, why want a claim in the first place?

Your reasons and actions do not line up.

2) Because it seemed unlikely he would show up anyway.

....Your post asking for a claim was 7 posts away from your hammer.

The only thing that changed in the game between those posts was KidAmn voting Toranga.

You didn't really give time for a claim, I would argue

Your position on Torangas lynch seemed to have changed upon him being pushed to L-1

You didn't even really express intent for the lynch.

3) Yeah probably not. It's still primarily gut, which is why I'm not doing anything there.

Gut reads progressively lose validity after D1.

If you're going to cast suspicion on Purr then provide a reason.

4) I'm still not sure what to make of the dayphase powers, so not going to make a decision based on it. Of course it's always possible they are wrong town, but I need to start somewhere today, so this is my way of narrowing down the playerbase for starters.

Here's an easy decision.

SCREWING SCUM OVER IS GOOD. Option 3 nullifies them.

Option 1 should've been best utilized if many people felt someone was confscum. Yes, our 2nd lynch did hit scum, but it's impractical and unhelpful to say "I don't know what's best to do" for Town in every fashion.

You VOTED for a 2nd lynch, but you were a vote on the dumb mislynch of Screen, and I haven't found what made you think Tiranga was scum in the first place.

5) I like it, but I'm wary about pushing on your alternative lynch to me, because it feels like that will just distract from finding the truth. Trying to eliminate the noise.

Didn't you JUST day that Katsuki was on screen wagon and off toranga wagon and stated that we should look their for our lynchpool?

It feels to me that you're hesitant in constructing a well reasoned push.

My case on Katsuki was NOT solely because he is noise.

You're not providing unique content for your thinking. You're minimizing mine because I'm likely correct.

6) Feel better about the slot than Katsuki, although not by much. Neither player has actually done much, but I do like the vote and questioning on Creature, mostly because I felt the same way so I feel like it was genuine.

...Misaka was also in your lynchpool that you gave less than 4 hours ago.

Why is Misaka better? Why aren't you voting or pushing the people you suspect?

What adjustment? The point is that I did

not

make an adjustment. I did a clean cut based on votes.

Wheme is not in my pool because I just made the lists based on votes. I don't have a lot of time to play mafia, so this seemed easier than looking at every player's ISO to see if they should've been specially included/excluded my list.

You can argue I should've made an adjustment, but given my time, I chose to do it simply. Wheme probably should be on, but he's not, which is fine for me right now because I think the two people I got to are very reasonable slots to look into for scum.

What's odd about Wisdom wanting to know your pool? I think non end of wagon votes matter as well.

And what 2 slots do you think are scum? Because apparently you don't think Misaka and Katsuki are worthy pushes???

~~

Yeah, the more I read Acryon, the more inconsistencies I find with them and think theres a strong associative argument with him and my other scumreads

Why are people shitposting instead of voting?

[Taly]

Vote me most popular hurry up. And we lynch nico today

QUIT BEING SHIT TOWN

[Taly]

Hi Katsuki, I exist.

Also beeboy, Toranga is dead.

Talk to me about living reads. <3

[Taly]

I'm waiting for more Acryon votes.

[Taly]

Also Acryon if you townread me and

think

I'm sheeping Wisdom

Then why aren't you trying to convince me your reads? Do you have scumreads?

[Taly]

1189
@Acryon

1) I've just ISOed you and considering you have almost NO read progression on Toranga at all, I don't think I buy the "guess he's not coming back like you guys said so let's just kill him LOLOL"

Almost every point you've made so far contradicts the reason and motive you would have for either having him claim, or hammering him.

You're also not drawing many, if any, conclusions from hammering scum... which tells me it's disingenuous.

2) I mean, I guess you could say that's intent. But why not try and hear potential role info. that could influence your thinking?

3) You have so many gutreads apparently... shouldn't that motivate you to actually discern which is more truthful than not?

4) I'm not punishing people for choosing option 1. I'm punishing people who chose Option 1 for suboptimal and poorly thought reasons.

5) You keep making this completely false assumption that someone joining a push means sheeping BUT ITS NOT.

If you genuinely believed Katsuki could be scum, you can ask questions WHILE pushing for your own thinking.

But it's good to know you're more focused on not drawing attention or potential conflict onto you...

6) "most scum are likely within the lurkers"

Yeah. I MIGHT agree with this if the "ROPE SCREEN" saga wasn't so painful to watch.

And since you DO think scum can be in the lurkerlist, WHO are the lurkers?

~~~~~~~

Acryon, you can minimize and demean the push on you by saying this is tunnel minded mob mentality, but this is honestly the most cased and reasoned wagon of the game so far in my eyes... and the more you downplay the suspicion the more I scumread you.

Your claim was also borderline unnecessary at least for this moment, so I can't tell if you DID that primarily to protect yourself instead of understanding your wagon.

[Taly]

I was massively busy and will continue to be busy until Friday or so.

I have some things to claim to help town scumhunt:

I motivated Katsuki last day.

I gained 1-shot track at the start of night last night.

I tracked Katsuki to myself and Katsuki.

Start of day 2, I have become loved and it takes one more vote to lynch me than usual.

I'm guessing Katsuki's power was lover maker and he picked me and him for his targets.

~~

Vote: acryon

HEAL: kokichi

1) Why Katsuki?
2) Didn't you need to know the name of the anime role character in order to do this motivation thing? Or did I misread?
3) Why vote for Kokichi, the current potential downfall of town?

Hi Katsuki, I exist.

?

What do you want me to say to you outside of that all your points regarding me were a hot steaming pile of shit?

"Oh fuck!!! Someone finally called me out on my BULLSHIT, so I'm going to treat THAT valid argument like they IT IS BULLSHIT."

i gave u dat


also is there a reason taly is town
also can we lynch acryon already
also can we lynch purrcocet already

;-; sorry @the ghost of keychain

;-; also is there a reason u r not doing anything

In the meantime the leading wagon is trying to push for me being scum lol.

VOTE: ACRYON

"Yeah! I'm going to completely ignore the points against me and write the OTHER leading wagon off as a case against ME because WITH my vote, it'll deflect attention off of me."

Actually don't answer that question. You've made up your mind and are clearly going to just be useless for today.

Wow, does town, even when scumreading someone, make these posts?

Ok yeah Wheme

Why did you try to squeeze a mislynch out of the girl with a post restriction?

Also Wheme, Tora was terrible with that shithammer and if it wasn't for him doing that, I would've completely forgot he was even in this game.

If you wanted to cast transparent suspicion on a sensisble wagon, why don't you call anyone's vote out?

I think the post restriction is fake

Shit hammer is NAI imo

Both wagons were for the same reason aka 2 useless slots so it’s weird how toras suddenly took off when nicos wagon was already leading

You said me flavor claiming Sailor Moon was fake not long after my first posts in this game.

Which was deadass wrong.

So how credible are you in saying someone was taking something?

Right now, I don't believe Nico was lying because she spoke during N1 normally... and the point of you saying these "role/flavor" notes are fake is a glaring discredit.

And yeah shithammers come from scum and iffy playing town, but given the many inconsistencies I've outlined surrounding Acryons hammer...

...im thinking it was a scumhammer.

I could vote acryon now

And what's stopping you?

[Taly]

Honestly.

I might as well just become a four-slot hydra KidAmn, Beeboy, and Wisdom right now.

HEAL: beeboy

If the popularity contest implies a good thing, I want someone in this pool to have it:
{Taly, Beeboy, GiF, KidAmn, Wisdom, Creature}

Wouldn't oppose Nico getting this either.

Who's FakeGod?

[Taly]

Oh wait a part of Misaka.

No wonder I couldn't acquire a solid read with its posting

[Taly]

Also.

Since this is brought in a lot of my games.

Unless I'm doing all caps, I'm not the least bit frustrated or feel dislike for the playerlist.

I'm just saying this preemptively because people like telling me
"Taly is so angry"
"God why are you so upset"
"It looks like it's a part of Talys personality to go from 0 to 100"

[Taly]

kokichi claimed yesterday that he becomes IC if voted for popularity
i want to know if this extends to

whoever

is voted for popularity
because if so we should use it on someone hard to read and good to know they're town

If this is true,then Kokichi doesn't sound like a bad idea either way.

He's either mislynch bait or scum from what I've read.

My thing is, what if scum was voted to be most popular?

Would that OUT them? This isn't a bastard game, is it? I don't think it is, and if it isn't, then we would be getting truthful results from something happening.

2) Didn't you need to know the name of the anime role character in order to do this motivation thing? Or did I misread?

That was something I said.

Which reminds me, IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE SOMETHING NICE FROM ME PLEASE POST THE NAME OF A CHARACTER OF YOURS (and preferably with the anime but I don't think that's necessary?)

Oh thanks for clarifying.

My character is Usagi Tsukino. Sailor Moon from Sailor Moon, basically.

[Taly]

I hope I didn't just fuck myself over but w/e.

I spewed my thoughts about most everything in this game this far.

[Taly]

So clear a few things up for me Kokichi

1) Did you choosing this role, initiate this vote count for popularity?
2) Why did you choose today to become an IC?
3) Did you initiate the VC for the 3 options D1?

I can't protect you tonight if you become an IC.

[Taly]

Omg I'm a mess

[Taly]

Mmm...
This isn't multiball, so I don't think there's any drawback to Kokichi being declared IC if he's already conftown to scum.

HEAL: Kokichi Oma

[Taly]

Yeah, I read D1...

[Taly]

With 8 votes to heal, Kokichi is now the numerical majority.

VOTE: Acryon

This is L-2, with 6 votes

Acryon: {Wisdom, Taly, Misaka, Katsuki, KidAmn, Wheme}

[Taly]

GiF/Creature do you have any input on the Acryon wagon or Acryon himself?

[Taly]

We already have a claim on Acryon.

Right now I'd rather Beeboy catches up.

Also, if I survive to D3, I'm probably kidnapping another person.

Going to make MY reads in the event that Acryon flips scum or town

[Taly]

UNVOTE: Acryon

Still in firm support of this wagon, but I'd rather we didn't have another lol hammer without proper discussion.

I love you.

[Taly]

Major downside to kidnapping is that I don't get to say "fuck you" to a scum narrative

So I'm still wondering.

[Taly]

@Acryon

1) I don't consider this a speedlynch. But a lynch with half the town firmly believing it flips scum, and some random votes of people who most likely KNOW your alignment.

2) My reason for scumreading you is not solely your change in wanting to claim and then hammering. Your posts don't draw to well-held conclusions, I think just about everyone wagon you've been on I've townread to some degree. And you seem associated with others in my scumpool.

3) If you're confused by why and how I think your view could be scum, then you could try more to explain how it isn't coming from a scum perspective.

VOTE: wheme

I'm in support of this wagon, because I scumread half the people on Acryon, and Whemes only strengthened my scumread on him.

But what's your reason for voting here?

[Taly]

I want {Nico, Purr, north} to post substance before we end the day.

[Taly]

I want {Nico, Purr, north} to post substance before we end the day.

The fear here is, when will that happen?

[Taly]

D: I need to do less posting and more reading.

[Taly]

every fucking game when i get back to prodge there's a vote on me

like why do i have just the shittiest timing

Are you admitting to replying WHEN you're suspected?

Because if this is ALL you gotta say since your last post then I should evaluate if we need 3 wagons now or not.

[Taly]

Wheme, are you going to actually respond to my prompts and Qs to you instead of doing what town-you is expected to be like?

[Taly]

Still don't get the threads kink of suspecting Nico.

And that Wheme wagon looks better with each of posts.

I'm slightly losing the point in going back and forth with Acryon atm. They say they suspect people and they get heat, but the two people they suspect D1 had wagons on then

And if he's saying that he's "genuinely" suspecting and scumhunting in Misaka and Katsuki right now then I'm laughing.

[Taly]

Acryon, if you suspect Misaka/Katsuki as scum, why are you voting the second other popular wagon?

Ugh. I know town does this sometimes but that's a real great way to misled people post flip.

[Taly]

Also can I not get so readily townread by people I suspect l?

That just makes me think people are trying to diffuse me or some shit.

And Wheme, can you tell me why 1284 doesn't warrant a vote? While you're at it, what's the reason for your scumread on Acryon?

[Taly]

Acryon, could you spend less time reiterating your stances and push them?

Purr is mostly town for me based on associative and my scumreads being correct. But if you disagree with me why do you think I'm right?

Wheme probably knows Kid/Me/Wisdom are town LOL

Also Wheme, ISO my posts directed to you and reply to the question marks or what's quoted to you.

Ehhh... Nico is more town to me based on interactions and sincerity but that's not a strong read. I just think several other people need the rope.

[Taly]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: WhemeStar

I'm feeling this more than Acryon right now, the.

Acryon, who do you plan to role check and have you already done it?

[Taly]

Acryon, could you spend less time reiterating your stances and push them?

Purr is mostly town for me based on associative and my scumreads being correct. But if you disagree with me why do you think I'm right?

Wheme probably knows Kid/Me/Wisdom are town LOL

Also Wheme, ISO my posts directed to you and reply to the question marks or what's quoted to you.

Ehhh... Nico is more town to me based on interactions and sincerity but that's not a strong read. I just think several other people need the rope.

Taking advantage of pagetop

[Taly]

Ugh can we lynch one of these two already

[Taly]

I guess?

It just feels like you two are hardbussing

[Taly]

I don't think that's a slip

It just feels like you two are hardbussing

[Taly]

Also Acryon you answered the wrong thin

I was asking why you thought I was right on Purr being town when you disagreed with my change in read from scum to town.

What makes you think Misaka/Katsukis role interaction is scum-scum?

[Taly]

If town loses I'm absolving myself from the mistakes I'll likely make in this game.

[Taly]

If you guys read the thread then this game is pretty easy.

[Taly]

im not completely confident acryon is flipping scum but wheme is

Same honestly

Can we get less bullshit prodges and votes instead?

[Taly]

WHEME IS DYING

[Taly]

VOTE: WhemeStar

Nos is openly and blatantly anti town.

I'm going to reevaluate Gif. Alongside Misaka and Kastsuki separately.

Acryon is a very likely partner to Wheme that literally scumclaimed so hard that he just doesn't give a shit anymore

[Taly]

Wheme is getting lynched and I'll ride the deadline fighting for this unless some miracle better option for town comes along

Right now I don't know if it's best to autolynch. Imma do some readin

[Taly]

Well all I'm saying is, I'm probably going back to my D1 role tomorrow and kidnapping someone AFTER I give an update of my reads based on flips, provided I survive through the night.

[Taly]

Actually I don't know.

Literally there is only 3 or 4 other people in this game that I think could lead town and I'm not sure if there's any other nonapathetic or nondumb town that would listen to them.

[Taly]

Beeboy coach me

[Taly]

GiF I'm not sure just yet.

I can definitely see Nos/Acryon as partners. What do you think of Acryon/Wheme, Wisdom?

Would we have a 4 or 5 person scumteam with 18 players?

[Taly]

WE CAUGHT SCUM

CREATURE

<3

[Taly]

and people have stopped harassing and bullying you with bad pushes </3

#SaveCreatureFromOppression

[Taly]

Townbloc

Wisdom
Kidamn
Taly
Beebuddy
Creature
Purrcocet

PoE scum is in:

{Katsuki, Misaka, Nosferatsu, GiF, acryon, YT}

But there's probably 4 townies in here, and 2 scum. So I'm working to narrow this list.

VOTE: Nosferatsu

Gotta see where this goes.

Still not fond of

acryon

but I'll need to read a bit. Today was a little shitty, despite a great vacation. My brother's leaving tomorrow to go to South Korea... so I'm a little sad and not in the best mindset for mafia.

Iffy on

GiF

too, and I still need to look at

Katsuki

and

Misaka

Have no clue who

YT

is so hi

[Taly]

Nico

literally having no substantial reads but gets NKed tells me that she was potentially pushed by scum, or by town that's getting shaded. Probably both. Going to check the difference in that.

This also tells me that town itself is likely accurate with other scumreads.

>Used

Keychain's

reads as a means to lynch scum
>

Nico

can no longer be a source of scumhunting through this method

[Taly]

I'm relieved but scared at the same time that I, nor any of my major townreads, got NKed.

[Taly]

I haven't seen enough to think

YT's

scum.

I try not to read people based off predecessors unless it's painfully obvscum.

What makes you think

Katsuki

,

Misaka

, and

acryon

are town,

Wisdom

?

Why am I even on the list when it is 100% impossible for me to be scum :V

What have you done in this game again?

[Taly]

I'm just iffy on using meta to solely read people. ((Probably because of my lack of gamesense.))

Unless it's

Creature

, because I've literally played in multiple games with him so far and his meta IS recognized sitewide.

I can see how that slot is scum given the information you've provided through,

Wisdom

, but I do want to sort some people... just waiting for them to post.

[Taly]

Is

acryon

town due to meta?

[Taly]

I'll work toward town cohesion tomorrow. I'm about to go to bed and I'm not thinking very clearly.

And I agree, let's have everyone post before a lynch is made.



also

beeboy

is still IC level to me, and that probably won't change unless we mislynch consistently

[Taly]

Yeah I don't know why

Nos

isn't lynched yet.

Katsuki

and

Misaka

can be town for now.

What's with the

beeboy

suspicion again?

I don't understand the

Nico

kill the more I think of it... My role requires accuracy to be successful.

I'd rather see

YT

catch-up before I move my vote.

Is it 6 to lynch, or 7?

[Taly]

Oh yeah, and apparently I can't kidnap today.

Everyone has to cycle through their roles before they can do one again

Yeah I don't know why Nos isn't lynched yet.

because we've been lynching his buddies

I'll ISO

GiF, Nos, and YT

12 alive, 7 to lynch

So we're at L-4 for

YT

then

[Taly]

My role is a night action; only.

[Taly]

Ugh.

GiF

your D1 reads are a garbage fire of shit.

[Taly]

lmao

i'm lynching gif if u green tho

If you are town, lynching me is literally gamethrowing.
Like
huge gamethrowing

And it has nothing to do with my towniness.

Could you elaborate on this?

VOTE: Tora

Oh dayvig happened.

VOTE: Whemestar

These are your only scumvotes this game, and you didn't really push them, and you also voted when their wagon became popular.

~~~

The majority of half-skimming/half-reading your ISO is that you want a lot of lynches quickly but you litter your reasons with town-ignorant indicative ones, or at least ones that want to push the game in a 'forward' manner without much cohesion.

Did you ever get a result on being motivated?

And why did you claim vengeful? What was the end goal here, and what were your reads?

~~~

With the playerlist's gameplay in this thread, there's a FINE line between careless town and obvscum.

And it's difficult to get new reads when half of the playerlist have stomped all over this line.

I'm a bit shocked that there is potentially town in

{Nos, GiF}

[Taly]

I can totes lynch Wheme.

its ya boi

fuck anime

i also don't live in canada

VOTE: Nosferatsu
VOTE: Nosferatsu
VOTE: Nosferatsu
VOTE: Nosferatsu
VOTE: Nosferatsu

[Taly]

lolwhat is that quote from

GiF

?

Oh wait, it's him saying he'd lynch

Wheme

without a vote or reason.

Kind of reminds me of something.

I could vote acryon now

Also,

OMGUS

,

LAMIST

, and some other buzzwords incriminating buzzwords I can't think of right now should burn in a fire.

Anyone who uses them more than once to describe a read, stance, or idea automatically catches my eye.

*glares at GiF*

[Taly]

The thing is, there's probably at least 1 town in

{YT, GiF, Nos}

.

And I still haven't completely ruled

acryon

out yet.

So could you guys tell me, what's a benefit of lynching

YT

instead of

GiF

or

Nos

, assuming they flip scum?

[Taly]

Do you have an idea of who's more likely scum or who's more likely town within

GiF, Nos

?

[Taly]

You could've fooled me.

[Taly]

Do you have ANY commentary on the game that's productive?

[Taly]

I don't recall being in a game with a traitor, so I don't know how to look for that.

It's possible we have a traitor, but I don't think lynching one is more likely than us lynching someone within the team.

Wouldn't think too much about a traitor unless someone in my townbloc magically flips scum.

But setup aside, what are your reads? And if you think a traitor exists, who would you say it is?

[Taly]

You know even if you think NSG is scum. Which she probably was.
Your supposed to let the slot catch up and spew first.

VOTE: acryon

<3 ily

beeboy

I don't recall being in a game with a traitor, so I don't know how to look for that.

It's possible we have a traitor, but I don't think lynching one is more likely than us lynching someone within the team.

Wouldn't think too much about a traitor unless someone in my townbloc magically flips scum.

But setup aside, what are your reads? And if you think a traitor exists, who would you say it is?

I have pretty much no reads. Only a few townreads from the last time I paid attention to this game. {Creature, Wisdom, acryon} as town and that's about it off of gameplay. Off of not being a total dumbass, I'm fairly sure that you and beeboy are town as well.

{kidamn, yt, gif, purr, katsuki, mikasa} are the only ones left from that. I'm sure I can PoE further down than that but you get the idea.

If you had to further narrow it down out of those 6 people, who would you say is town?

Also, how is

Kidamn

potential scum to you? I think this is the first time I've seen a non-townread on him since my return from D1?

[Taly]

YT

, the disappearance of

beeboy

and I was through a day action I did.

I admit

I misplayed by using my D1 ability WAY TOO early.

But I don't regret kidnapping beeboy.

1) I think he was town, and even more likely to be town now.
2) By past experience as a Town Miller, I was not going to let Beeboy get shit-PLed.... I think town more likely claims this type of stuff upfront. But that's not a.fact I don't think, I just have 0 gamesense.
3) His wagon, even if RVS was stupid AF especially after claim.

I do have more valid reasons behind my action, but at the moment, I don't know if saying them will help towns game perception more than giving scum a map to fuck with me and town.

Going to give reads very soon.

They are better reasoned than they look. I'm just phoneposting so I really don't have the tools for elaborate wallposts.

Also I think my reads are much more worthwhile because I wasn't thrown into the shitfest that was D1, versus my reads if I had not disappeared.

So I got a less a biased look of the game.

I'm still flavor claiming Sailor Moon for the entirety of this game.

I didn't think so either but *sheugs*

At first glance, he was a townread and I acted on it.

UNVOTE:

Due to recent IRL events, I've been in a real shitty mood the past 48 hours; to the point that I can't even think about mafia right now.

I'm also going on a day trip somewhere, I'll respond to the game when I return.

[Taly]

Is that L1?

[Taly]

Um yeah.

My gut is telling me NOT to lynch at the moment, and I don't see really any defense for YT so that worries me.

[Taly]

I hate having to listen to my gut.

[Taly]

lol parroting is fun to spot.

>

I have a role that requires accuracy.

>

I have shitty information to help support an accurate use of my role.

More thoughts.

1)

Why does

GiF

disappear the moment he's either suspected, a heavily-discussed subject, or when someone else's ass is on the line?

2)

Still don't understand how and why

acryon

magically gets a pass from the reasons he was suspected D2.

3)

I need

beeboy

to do something so I can prevent my reads from becoming null.

4)

YT's

posts aren't well-reasoned or show a strong focus to look into others' thoughts, but I'm not ready to lynch that.

~~~

Um yeah.

My gut is telling me NOT to lynch at the moment, and I don't see really any defense for YT so that worries me.

any defense for yt is a scumclaim, you wont see any

Do you think anyone's bussing them, then? If so, who?

[Taly]

If

YT

is scum, what if he was actually truthful in that there's possibly 5 scum and it's

Nos

and

GiF

left? LOL XD

[Taly]

since i'm at l-1, idk if i have the time needed to continue my analysis, so i'll put that on hold so long as i'm L-1. i'll elect to be present with the current pages when i get the chance as opposed to analyzing the past rn. i'm not against getting lynched if it helps town out; at least we still have a leg up in this game with 2 scum already lynched.

'
I don't understand the logic here. Nobody is wanting a lynch right now.

((No sensible person))

Instead of withdrawing your thoughts when people SHOULD hear them the most, are you open to claiming AND are you actually going to continue your analysis? Because you're doing the OPPOSITE of helping the town by saying

"it's fine if my lynch helps town, but i'm not gonna say more because the push on me is scum-sided"

Also, I've replied to your reads, do you have a response?

D5 is when everything comes back for a cycle #2 right?

My offer still stands. Motivate me D5 so I can have double vengeful D5.

I'm sorry, but have I gone invisible? I've made multiple commentaries on your reads and have even suggested you were bussing, and I'd also like to know why you claimed vengeful and want a DOUBLE vengeful.

You have no response to

YT

speaking to you either?

Find it sorta hard to town!NSG to flake out here.

I'm a little bothered that there's not a lot of dissecting

YT's

post themselves. Honestly, I can see both instances where it's easiest to a squeeze a mislynch there, AND the possibility he's actually scum and being bussed.

And yeah, I know I'm being uncertain with my stance here - but I don't think people are voicing alternatives enough, and it's making me question my thoughts.

~~~

If people want to prolong the day they should do better at communicating what they're looking to know.

[Taly]

If people want to prolong the day they should do better at communicating what they're looking to know.

Uh sure

What's your PoE like?

Strong Town

Wisdom - Might as well retire if this is scum. ((Not really but yeah, that explains my thoughts here pretty well.))
KidAmn - ^^^ ""
Taly - I've been bad town this dayphase, but still town.
Creature - This is your town meta Creature, plus the wagon on you made me want to throw up on myself.
Purrcocet - Based off associatives and interactions, this is highly, highly unlikely scum.
Beeboy - I see more town-motivation behind their posts than anything else.

Lower Tier Town

Katsuki - For town cohesion purposes, also based off role interaction, and he seems like he doesn't really care about attracting questionable stances on him.
Misaka - Slightly less certain, but I have similar reasons for thinking this is town as I do Katsuki.

~~~ This is the drop off line between town, and scum/lynchpool ~~~

???

acryon - No content since D2. Read hasn't changed from D2. But I think there's more likely scum elsewhere.
YT - Not a fan of their posting right now, but I don't know what to think of the wagon - even though I townbloc some people on it. Could see that slot being scum based off NSG-meta but it seems really easy...

Scum is in here

Nos - Still has posts that can be very likely town OR scum. Could see an associative to YT if he flips scum.
GiF - Same as Nos, but there's more to content to look for, so that can go either way. Could see an associative to YT if he flips scum. Could see an associative to Wheme, even.

VOTE: GuyInFreezer

I don't like NOT having my vote in play. Let's see where this goes.

I could dig up and link posts if you're not agreeing or understanding a read.

[Taly]

Why the hell would town offer to be lynched

[Taly]

Who can motivate again?

[Taly]

because vengeful

GIF I am pretty sure is town.

D:

OK, after some mindmelding.

And some blood, sweat, and tears being involved. (maybe some piss too)

I've acquired some clarity after some thoughts.

I've come to my necessary conclusions for the gamestate.

UNVOTE:

The thing about THIS game is; normally I'm stream-of-consciousness+strategy+hot-mess.

But with this being Role Madness, the first 2 variables in the equation are often altered frequently or nonexistent in some cases.

So you guys tangibly see the 3rd variable unfiltered almost 100% of the time; I'm a fucking hot mess.

[Taly]

Who can motivate again?

Nevermind, don't answer this.

[Taly]

[Taly]

katsuki

did me telling you I'm Sailor Moon D2 do anything? >:

I can flavor claim harder.

[Taly]

unvote

for now

ok you can be moderate town now.

[Taly]

I already assumed nothing happened to you given your reaction today. Granted, I may have messed up on my action submission which is a pity because I had a nice fun surprise for you.

You don't need to claim any harder unless you want to.

oh darn D:

Is the action able to be used now still? Or do we have to wait for another cycle?

[Taly]

Katsuki

can be apart of the townbloc.

d1/n1, jailkeeper card was used. randomidget used it on wisdom.

d2/n2: nsg interestingly used my conditional role blocker card
which states if i am lynched, i will roleblock the mafia kill no matter what.

This is so weird.

I have reservations about

Wisdom

being JKed N1... like, wtf. I get he was a good protect target but why at the expense of neutralizing the role of a strong townplayer?

But

If you're being truthful about your D2/N2 card, then your mechanically town?

[Taly]

why do you bold like that

Because,

Nosferatsu

, if I mention someone then in my posts, then I OBVIOUSLY want to get their attention.

[Taly]

seems like a pain

[Taly]

OK, I think I've narrowed the lynch/scumpool to

{YT, Nos}

acryon

... I'll have to ISO him again... there's a lot of conflicting sentiments for his alignment. X_X

Reads based off feels and gut are no longer viable.

[Taly]

acryon

, who did you rolecheck? Or have you been able to acquire those results and fulfill the role yet?

[Taly]

Spoiler: Non-game funnies

Taly's Townplayer Quality

Should Be Nommed

Good

D2

????

D1

Shit

D3

Below Shit

~~~

Taly's Gif Quality

ROFLMFAO

D3

Taly, You Crazy Bitch! <3

D1

lolwtf

D2

Taly, You Crazy Bitch! -_- </3

RETIRE

Reads based off feels and gut are no longer viable.

Did I say my reads were based exclusively on those? Are there people you are specifically curious about?

I wasn't referring to your reads. I was speaking in general.

I don't quite know how to read you.

People say you're town and you do give towny vibes, but with gameplay and flips; I'm very reluctant to say you are and I don't know if the lack of push onto you is town-indicative or scum-indicative of you.

acryon

, who did you rolecheck? Or have you been able to acquire those results and fulfill the role yet?

I did. I had no idea who to really check, so decided to check Misaka about "loved". The answer was that they did not have that role, but I asked a follow-up and realized that the only answers I would get are for roles where the person originally has it, and wouldn't include situations where someone was "given" the role.

Oh

[Taly]

how obvious has my crumbing been this dayphase

[Taly]

I can vote for

YT

now.

I don't want anyone to quickhammer though, and I feel like the reads in this gamestate have stagnated and that's not changing much. :/

[Taly]

Does anyone want this dayphase to continue for any reason at all?

[Taly]

Giving 3 hours before I hammer.

This timestamp is debatable to go later or earlier.

[Taly]

FUCK YES OMFG!!!!

EITHER SCUM DIDNT KILL AT ALL

OR SOMETHING THAT IM VERY FUCKING HAPPY ABOUT HAPPENING, HAPPENED.

[Taly]

I SAW SAD AF THAT I WASNT ON THAT SCUM WAGON

VOTE: Nosferatsu

BUT I SHALL REDEEM MYSELF.

ADELANTE!!!

[Taly]

I delayed nos
We have no kill
Do the math

VOTE: nos gg

I LOVE YOU

[Taly]

HOLY SHIT YAY!!!!

bro im a double voter what are you even

[Taly]

sigh

VOTE: taly

Are you sad that I protected your NK target from your shot last night?

I'm so sorry.

[Taly]

I didn't target anyone last night so this is kinda unwarranted >.>

Then why is your vote on me at all?

[Taly]

So when the votecount rolls around and you see 2 votes on you it might be a little clearer.

So....

You're voting me to prove a point?

[Taly]

I'm beyond this...

So you think I'm scum?

[Taly]

I figured this was gonna happen, I'm just gonna post my notes from last night? That cool?

lol, I want to hear this.

[Taly]

Ok so I protected nos last night.

Discuss.

OK, so I protected

Wisdom

last night.

Discuss.

[Taly]

Taly:
I don't like how this is starting out.

fluff sentence.

The justification for kidnapping beeboy sucks, he wasn't wagoned at all.

Did you read my reasons? I believed

beeboy

was town off of first impressions, and it wasn't SOLELY to protect him.

1) I think he was town, and even more likely to be town now.
2) By past experience as a Town Miller, I was not going to let Beeboy get shit-PLed.... I think town more likely claims this type of stuff upfront. But that's not a.fact I don't think, I just have 0 gamesense.
3) His wagon, even if RVS was stupid AF especially after claim.

Also I think my reads are much more worthwhile because I wasn't thrown into the shitfest that was D1, versus my reads if I had not disappeared.

So I got a less a biased look of the game.

Since it's later in the game now, I'm going to say another reason why I protected

beeboy

was because of this.

Claim miller.

Yes I opted into that.

My other options i thought did more later in the game.

I sincerely doubt that town would opt for anything to incriminate themselves early in the game. Furthermore,

beeboy

specifically stated that he had other roles, and I felt there was more to gain from him being alive and that he was more likely town.

It's not that deep.

Literally just keychain and gif RVS voted him before he even posted.

Talking about my alignment partially based on RVS stuff is irrelevant at this point in the game.

Katsuki case is super weak.

....So.... the only case against

Katsuki

was weak?

The only BULLETED case against

Katsuki

was weak?

Actually, maybe the only bulleted case in this game, weak?

Care to tell me why?

Katsuki

((^^Death tunneling this shit, most likely.))

VOTE: Katsuki

1) Sxumclaimed and I honestly believe it
2) literally useless.
3) Voted Screen, didn't vote Toranga, nd wanted 2 lynches.
4) Upon not gaining the "correct" information, they didn't want a 2nd lynch AFTER VOTING FOR IT. Backtracking and giving wxcuses for poor decisions is not a Town mindset.

YOU GUYS HAVE NO RIGHT TO XOMPLAIN ABOUT THE 2 LYNCH OPTION WHEN YOU COULD HAVE DIRECTLY HURT THE SCUMTEAM BY CHOOSING OPTION 3.

Katsuki Is my best guess for Toranga partner.

I'm waiting.

The hype over keychain's last reads is a little bit ??? considering that based on those reads, I really doubt that's what he got lynched over.

Have you read the game?

Keychain was NEVER lynched.

Keychain was NKed, and so his reads ARE very valuable, because that's probably the reason you shot him.

I'll assume the stance on this post has changed since then, especially given the flips we've since gotten. 1155 sucks and reads like "YES I CARE ABOUT TOWN COHESION. I CARE ABOUT GAMESOLVING. YES."

Ummm.....

Because town-town working together destroys scum?

I would switch to Acryon to get in sync eith you

But Katsukis ISO and game approach is really, really bad. And I don't want him to last to lylo. If he's not lynched now I don't know if people will lynch later

So Wisdom.
What do you think we learn IF Acryon flips town?
What do you think we learn IF Acryon flips scum?

What do you think we learn IF Katsuki flips town?
What do you think we learn IF Katsuki flips scum?

^^These questions are for anyone who cares about gamesolving and town cohesion

Also, answers to these questions are VERY handy in referencing later for better refined reads. Your argument of me "fake-helping" isn't valid at all because I genuinely worked toward siding with someone I was feeling more likely to be town progressively.

He gets salty about acryon calling his vote a wisdom sheep (moving a vote from a strong scumread to a maybe one is a sheep btw).

Yeah, I was salty that my vote was boiled down to a sheep to

Wisdom

because that was a MISREP.

He makes a big deal over acryon not having a reason for voting tora but it was very obviously a policy lynch.

LOL... You said

Toranga

and policy lynch in the same sentence.

And yeah, I did raise that as a point of me suspecting

acryon

because he was my strongest scumread at that moment

.

Aside from beeboy I like the townpool they've got going on by page ~50.

"Haha! This townpool is GREAT because I KNOW ALL THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN IT, ARE TOWN, AS A FACT!"

The buddying is just off the charts in this ISO. 3/4ths through the ISO and I don't want to read anymore. The fact that this and beeboy are the scummiest slots to me make me feel icky and wrong, so I'm going to have to ~shudder~ talk to scumreads to actually sort them.

You are not allowed to cast transparent suspicion on

beeboy

, that shit's unacceptable.

And well, maybe I am buddying with people, because I'm trying to figure out who's town and who's scum?

Maybe if YOU tried doing that, you wouldn't have only lynched ONE scum this game.

Oh, wait - I meant bussed the PL that was

Toranga

, right?

{wisdom, creature, kidamn, Purrcocet}
{katsuki}
{acryon}
{mikasa, gif, beeboy}
{Taly}

predictions for the night:
kills are in {wisdom, kidamn, katsuki, taly (if I'm wrong)}

Things to ask Taly:
1. Why drop Katsuki scumread over unconfirmed role?
2. Opinion on gif and his role alignments.
3. Associatives based on YT's catch up?
4. Read on acryon?
5. How do you feel about Beeboy

1)

Because

Wisdom

was near conftown to me based off play and him actually thinking like a sensible person. Plus, I figured my push on

Katsuki

wasn't the best in terms of case structure, and I had a gut feeling that I was pushing town.

2)

GiF

... I don't know at this point, honestly.

*shrug*

I'll look at him if your scumflip won't win town the game.

3)

Um... You could be associated to

YT

because you literally said he was town for no reason and you never entertained him being scum? 1508 and 1511

4)

acryon

is probably town due to PoE at this point, but regardless, you're flipping scum and it's happening now.

5)

beeboy

is still one of my strongest townreads, I really can't think of a reality where he is scum at this point.

[Taly]

Ok so I protected nos last night.

Discuss.

I told you to discuss not outing your protect target

Not that it matters

If

Nos

' scumflip doesn't win us the game, this needs to be strung up.

[Taly]

Nos

, the entire composition of your "notes" against me are 100% scum-motivated.

1)

You NEVER mentioned me as a potential scumread to you prior.

2)

I'm an obvious NK target in one of your lists, but since you're too busy wanting to kill off

Wisdom

, I'm easiest to be mislynchbait due to WIFOM.

3)

Your reasons against me are mediocre, at best.

4)

You never voted the other 2 flipped scum,

Wheme/YT

, and you quickly voted on the

Toranga

when it become popular... you have associatives to them. Blatant ones.

5)

Which leads me to the final point, where's associative of ME being scum with

Toranga/Wheme/YT

?

[Taly]

If you tell me I'm scum with

beeboy

I will make ALL my posts have a vote onto you until your lynch has been concealed.

[Taly]

It's late for me right now, and I don't have time to rebuttal weak arguments.

I'll get to this in the morning.

[Taly]

no you being scum with beeboy doesn't make sense. pls dont try to connect dots where there are none, ill tell you when there's an associative.

There's 3 scumflips and you don't have an associative argument for Scum-Me?

[Taly]

I think we lynch GIF cause he is a vengeful claim.

Actually, we would be lynching

GiF

D5, because roles will recycle.

Nevermind, maybe

GiF's

not scum at all, but

*shrug*

If there's 5 scum I don't know what to think.

[Taly]

bye beeboy

what the fuck does that mean

lynch gif and have him shoot nos and taly lmao

re:nos
anything u expected of me is too much my son

my other default option is acryon but that is a little boring

please reread the thread...

I already said

GiF

gets his venge D5 when roles recycle...

Can you do anything beyond saying "lets kill the 1v1 off entirely while i don't provide any other option!"

sure

VOTE: purr

gif tomorrow to make use of vengekills

I'm going to trust you're figuring out the last scum if there's 5 people?

~~~

I'll reply to

Nos

soon when my instinct reaction isn't mostly-all-cap responses.

[Taly]

I've claimed my anime since my first post

[Taly]

how is

nos

town

also

acryon

, its pretty clear who the 2 people that targeted

Wisdom

last night was

or at least 1 of them, because they claimed it...

[Taly]

i suggest a meta rework if

nos

is somehow town

[Taly]

also, if im scum, why the fuck would i NOT NK someone solely to BS a protect-working claim? we still have 10 people FFS

and its not like i was the most townread person OR necessarily scumread either - so i dont understand the connection of anyone saying im scum at this point.

[Taly]

also, if im scum, why the fuck would i NOT NK someone solely to BS a protect-working claim? we still have 10 people FFS

and its not like i was the most townread person OR necessarily scumread either - so i dont understand the connection of anyone saying im scum at this point.

and before the whole WIFOM-inducing, dumb counterargument comes out of

"

Taly's

faking a protect to conftown himself!!"

i hardly give a fuck if people scumread me, just as long as im not mislynched

and im not saying

"im town for protecting someone!"

im saying

Nos

is scum because she probably shot

Wisdom

VOTE: beeboy

explain?

[Taly]

is nos rly claiming railgun lol

VOTE: NOS

also whats a railgun?

[Taly]

[Taly]

:/

I've had a feeling for awhile that I could be wrong on

beeboy

, but it was gut, and my guts a 50/50 chance of being correct because

Taly: Intellect > Wisdom

Plus, I kind of really wanted to be right, because I usually am more accurate in reading town than scum.

though, it was partially gut in the first place that I read

beeboy

as town.

I'm going to reread the last of

Nos'

post, then.

Should I full-claim my D1 role, then?

[Taly]

Actually, I don't need to full-claim.

I assume that you had a PT with beeboy when you kidnapped him based on the fact that you returned with a soulread on him

This is pretty much #TalyExposedParty

[Taly]

Ugh.

I don't like reversals from town to scum, but I'm kind of realizing I could very easily be wrong here.

beeboy's

at L-2, are we ready to instalynch this?

I'm going to reread

Nos

UNVOTE:
VOTE: beeboy

Wisdom used delay on Nos and there was no kill.

Alternatively, GIF protected Nos so maybe he stopped the kill.

I guess the correct move is lynch elsewhere from Nos since he gets cleared if the delayed kill doesn't happen.

So

Nos

COULDN'T have made the kill?

[Taly]

I put

beeboy

at L-1.

[Taly]

Wisdom used delay on Nos and there was no kill.

I'm meaning, with this happening, then

Nos

couldn't have made a kill at all? Unless I misread something?

[Taly]

I bodyguarded you last night and I am still alive.

I don't know how the mods handle BG vs Doc situations though, so shrug.

Yeah, I recommend asking this.

Because it could've resolved as me protecting you.

[Taly]

oh wait nvm, the delay hasn't gone into affect yet.



Carry on

[Taly]

it's gone in effect
whatever nos did last night, if anything, will happen tonight instead

yeah, thats what i meant

[Taly]

Townbloc

KidAmn
Wisdom
Taly
Misaka
Katsuki
Creature

Acryon

and

Purrcocet

are low-tier town.

The difference is,

Acryon

is RISING in townread to me, and

Purrcocet

is STAGNATING, and slightly LOWERING as a potential partner, but I don't know yet.

Nos

and

GiF

can't be scum together, otherwise they're gamethrowing, or playing dangerously.

Assuming we have 5p scumteam, there's 2 scum left, and I'm really thinking

beeboy

could flip scum here.

Part of the reason I kidnapped/hooded him was because I wanted to KNOW about his roles, and at least formulate a town-plan with him. But he never really spoke much with me anyway.

((Because I felt there was a high chance for me to get mislynched D2 or NKed N2... sounds dumb in hindsight, but that's what I thought.

So I used my role D2/N2 that completely destroys ALL daytalk upon my death. Figured I could fuck scum with it, but assuming

Beeboy

is scum, and daytalk doesn't matter anyway with 4 scum lynched, I'm pretty happy with this vote.

Plus, seeing that other town had hooding roles in this game too; I really don't care for this role that much because it could hurt town as well as scum.

*shrug*

))

So here's where I'm at:

beeboy > GIF > Nos > Purr

Do not stop lynching/killing in this order until we hit town.

(

GIF's

either scum or giving town 2 free kills, so assuming he's town; then here are my shot recommendations based off the information in the thread so far.)

~

With 1 lynch happening right now, 2 NKs possibly happening tonight and 1 N5, and with

GiF

getting lynched venging 2 people, that's

SEVEN PEOPLE DEAD

.

There's 11 people left in this game.

I highly doubt the 4 people who survive to D6 and the massacre that's about to ensue on the playerlist will have scum in them.

Right now, we just need to solidify as a town and crowdsource reads/thoughts/associations for the most likely remaining scum.

[Taly]

And yeah, the numbers I used above do not take into account other roles.

But that's the path of the gamestate at this point.

[Taly]

Nos and GiF can't be scum together, otherwise they're gamethrowing, or playing dangerously.

Yeah, because there's likely only one scum left.

Possible. I'm just speaking alternatives.

But he never really spoke much with me anyway.

Ta-da

These posts are what make me very comfortable with you being town,

Creature

[Taly]

Do not stop lynching/killing in this order until we hit town.

lol?

I'm meaning, if there's 2 scum left and we don't win.

[Taly]

[Taly]

Fair point.

And I think it's pretty likely we endgame this dayphase.

[Taly]

also the keychain misread is one of the deepest regrets of my life besides my life

[Taly]

i appreciate the gifs taly

=^•_•^=

As Sailor Taly, I may NOT be the strongest towny in the bloc.

But I AM the most entertaining!

[Taly]

In which they poked at GIF, voted you, and avoided having a strong opinion on YT until the lynch was inevitable, at which point they dabbed on in for the hammer. The act of hammering isn't necessarily scummy, but the way they vacillated around the periphery on YT/NSG until it was time to hammer is questionable at best.

I'd like to note that this type of play is VERY normal for scum.

It's like softdistancing/softbussing until there's no other option.

Also, I will say - partially from experience - scum likes to "wait" for their partners to do stuff that makes them less scummy in the eyes of town, so they reserve judgment.

Personally, I ALWAYS try to reserve some judgment when a replacement comes into the thread; but I don't stop trying to figure out the slot, though.

This is just making me think

beeboy

is scum even more.

[Taly]

;(

beeboy

stole my hammer too

the meanie face

[Taly]

Meh, it was nice getting pocketed by

beeboy

while it lasted.



Or actually, it's more like

I JUMPED INTO his pocket.

((k, got my gif fix for the next few hours.))

[Taly]

[Taly]

MariaR says if bodyguard and doc protects a person getting shot, then bodyguard doesn't die.

So ASSUMING Nos didn't make the kill, and the no NK is based off the protections and not the delay, it went like this.

You bodyguarded Wisdom.
I doctored Wisdom, but since you were his guard, I protected you from a shot.

[Taly]

Nos

, if it means anything going off MY word; the problem you see with me

"buddying" and "helping"

-wise is completely playstyle, and NAI for me.

((Which I don't entirely agree with you using a buzzword to describe this, because my gamestyle is NOT superficial, despite appearances.))

I

"buddy"

and

"work with"

regardless of alignment, but with two very different motives and intentions.

Town-Taly

- "Buddies" people in order to gain information, create discussion, DRAW attention to THEMSELVES, AND for cohesion in a game.

((There's seriously nothing more Pro-Town than to WORK with your townreads in a game, I'd argue, even if they are inaccurate.))

- Reverses on reads a lot when sees evidence that suggest them being wrong.
- Really doesn't give a shit about being wrong, as long is it doesn't lead them to being on mislynch wagons, or missing scum wagons.
- Defends reads when they feel a wagon or narrative is unjust or odd; hard-defenses are as fickle as they are strong in conviction.
- Says and does dumb things in order to preserve activity, gamesolving.
- Actively states what they dislike and like about the gamestate to gear it towards a perceived "pro-town" path.

Conclusion: Town-Taly

does everything in his power to enhance his, and his townreads' perception of the game, really weary of the game narrative, and reads/thoughts can come across as very inconsistent and not well-understood... because as long as he's not getting mislynched, why should Town-Taly concern himself with how he's perceived?

Scum-Taly

- "Buddies" people in order to POSITION self to get towncred, and charisma post-flips.

((Very concerned with accuracy AND consistency, this is in the sole pursuit of being townread.))

- Rarely, if ever, reverses; and if I do, it's done in a very methodical manner and SUBTLE manner.
- Gives a shit about being wrong, creates ARGUMENTS in order to DEFEND self from any discrepancy or mistake they make.
- Hard-defends what they KNOW to be town, and with valid, strong reasoning that makes them APPEAR towny.
- Says and does dumb things in order to AMPLITY AtE.
- Actively states what they dislike and like about the gamestate in order to muddy the waters of said gamestate.

Conclusion: Scum-Taly

deepwolfs like a motherfucker, and plays consistently in a manner that weaves a pro-scum narrative through an accurate, structured game approach... because if Scum-Taly "looks" like an infallible player, why would ANYONE come for him with credible information?

NAI-Taly

- Highly oriented in TEAM play; which can be perceived as pocketing, buddying, or "sheeping", despite having individualistic reasons for any action.
- AtE's with GENUINE emotion; but the scum-motive is manipulative, while the town-motive works to understand.
- Posting activity, walls, and frequency are NAI... it's based on my mood, and care for the game; which can change as either alignment.
- Town-Taly may situationally play like Scum-Taly, or vice versa to either understand the game, or become townread.

I would

never

hood or kidnap

Beeboy

if he were my scumbuddy.

My townread on him would be much more fluid if I were scum and he were truly town, if I even would have a townread on him.

My Mafia Talent: Cohesion.

Usually, I'm as strong of a player as the OTHER people that SHARE my alignment.

[Taly]

Basically,

Scum-Taly and Town-Taly

can look VERY similar, and sometimes, look VERY opposite of the other.

But they have very different drives in the game, if you look deeper.

[Taly]

I would never hood or kidnap Beeboy if he were my scumbuddy.

Yeah I got that. Did you have a PT with beeboy? I thought you did but didn't he do anything that struck you as extraordinarily town aside from the reasons you kidnapped him in the first place?

Yeah, we've been in a gamelong PT since the first 12 hours of the game, where we have both daytalk and nighttalk.

And part of my townread on him, and then very quick-rapid reversal to a scumread on him, is partially based on the CONTENTS within the PT.

[Taly]

Basically.

I have 100+ posts in that PT.

And he has maybe 30.

With ONLY 6-7 pages long.

The OPPOSITE of what I wanted to happen.

[Taly]

No other lynch is acceptable anymore.

[Taly]

Basically.

I have 100+ posts in that PT.

And he has maybe 30.

With ONLY 6-7 pages long.

The OPPOSITE of what I wanted to happen.

I have 111 posts to be precise.

He has 36.

[Taly]

[Taly]

LOL, that's actually 7 votes because

Nos

is double.

But yeah, this is definitely scum.

[Taly]

acryon

can join townbloc.

[Taly]

Holy shit I forgot to make a 200 character message last night. Hmm

Nobody died?? I'm guessing protections happened. Nos couldn't have made the kill N4 then?

That would require 2 protections on potentially 2 different people last night.

I'm treating beeboy as if he flipped scum, because if he's town, I'm a bit disappointed with his gameplay and salty that he didn't tell us his flip would be fucking ambiguous.

I don't think it's far fetched to have 5 scum.

Intent to vote GiF soon for how the venges go down.

[Taly]

If that's true

Nos couldn't have killed N3 either??

[Taly]

Nos
Wisdom
Misaka
Taly

Mechanical cleared at the moment

I'm on my phone atm. And I'm stream-of-conscious posting atm

So hopefully my logic isn't convoluted

[Taly]

Beeboy is listed as dead.

His flip and roles weren't revealed

[Taly]

He expected his lynch in someway :/

[Taly]

Ugh I'm mad he never told me about this or warned us this

Pretty sure this was one of his roles "better used later"

probably just flipless then

Who saved the kill last night?

I want to hear this too

[Taly]

wouldn't be completely surprised if scum didn't submit a kill

But that would imply that you were the only possible killer to have been blocked N4 via delay N3.

So either
The delay wasn't necessary because you're very likely town and never shot.

Scum didn't shoot N3 and/or N4, which makes little sense in any scenario

Or the protections this game have been on point consistently.

Or multiple of these scenarios overlapping because my brain is about to break trying to figure this out.

I want protector claims. ASAP.

I didn't have a protector role left available even in D4. I basically ha d the ability to write a message but eith the gamestate being WIFOMy to a fucking BS degree I didn't know what to say.

[Taly]

Fortunately, I was smart enough to use coroner on beeboy and get the full flip. You're welcome.

Flavor is

Re:Zero

.

Subaru-Reviver- first time he dies, he goes "back in time" and comes back 2 phases later but is treated dead meanwhile

Emilia-Neighbor- access to skylight neighborhood

Rem-Flavor Trader- request to flavor trade with someone

Puck-Miller- comes up as scum on investigations

My god. Why would scum have a Miller role... but his game isn't very oriented in solving.

I'm guessing beeboy will come back D6. But wtf

[Taly]

I'm frustrated

[Taly]

How Wisdom is cleared again?

Because if scum shot at all N3 he was probably saved

[Taly]

I'm gonna shoot Nos/Purr

This will probably end game unless I fucked up somewhere real hard

Your kill resolves during the night right?

I can use my global watcher role tonight if so.

Having a global watcher role implies you've had it in a previous role cycle

So when did you use that role and what results did you get?

[Taly]

with no kill isnt nos clear? (Barring me being blocked yesterday or him nokilling yesterday)

I prefer purr & acryon for the two kills

An Acryon flip sounds helpful after we fully know beeboy roles.

Beeboy was the only person to push him last dayphase

[Taly]

Should we massclaim?

We might have the game pretty much locked.

[Taly]

Then what 2 kills do you suggest acryon?

[Taly]

Massclaim massclaim

D1: I kidnap someone and create a gamelong PT with them. We are not considered to be in game until next dayphase. During this time, we are BOTH IMMUNE TO being killed in ANY manner.

I kidnapped Beeboy of course.

D2: If I die with this role on, ALL daytalk will end, besides the daytalk in the game thread.

D3: Doctor. Standard doctor.

I doctored Wisdom.

D4: 200 character message appears at the start of the day.... I was dumb and forgot this. In any case, I didn't know what to say here.

[Taly]

Should we claim roles this dayphase too?

[Taly]

I'm gonna shoot Nos/Purr

This will probably end game unless I fucked up somewhere real hard

Your kill resolves during the night right?

I can use my global watcher role tonight if so.

Having a global watcher role implies you've had it in a previous role cycle

So when did you use that role and what results did you get?

the mod forgot to tell me what role I had ~D3 iirc and I forgot to ask.

The results are global in the fact that they're posted in thread. You'll see them regardless of whether I'm alive at the end of the cycle I'm pretty sure.

I don't want Nos shot

I do want them to use their role and hope they're being truthful.

[Taly]

Is Purr really an ideal shot?

Because is this motive behind their kill solely to eliminate a scum POSSIBILITY or do people think this would flip scum?

[Taly]

Finish massclaiming

We all discuss who we think would be best shot and discuss potential clearing

-

Also, I feel a little bad for speed mislynching Beeboy... if he really was Miller I don't know how it would be a scum role unless it's a complete fakeclaim as of role in of itself.

X.x the ONE time my gut is most likely correct in a game and I lynch it.

[Taly]

Misaka got his role pm via coroner so its not a fakeclaim; hes a miller, thus town

I AM SORRY BEEBOY D:

But like you were probably wanting to get lynched given your role

[Taly]

Why is Purr fine for a shot? Are they scum to you, Acryon?

Already claimed my roles before, but for a day breakdown.

D1 - Genos: Universal Backup. I took Srceen's role when he died but since he had used it I just got VT.
D2 - Bang: Role-checker. I checked Katsuki at night for "Loved". Explained this earlier but turns out I screwed this up.
D3 - Tatsumaki: Loved.
D4 - Saitama: Gladiatior. Didn't use this and don't think I ever would.
D5 - Genos: Universal Backup.

I don't get why Screen using his role would make you VT. I'm about to look at his flip again

Also, by Universal Backup st the moment? With GIF being our most likely lynch, are you trying to get a vengeful role?

[Taly]

So Acryon is being truthful because Screens role does become VT after use.

I agree with everyone fullclaiming.

I am notably interested in Katsuki's role.

[Taly]

We can also force someone to flavorclaim...

I don't think anyone knows my anime

[Taly]

[Taly]

I'm sorry I had to.

Next posts will have substance.

[Taly]

[Taly]

Purr, Creature, Katsuki

need to claim.

Fortunately, I was smart enough to use coroner on beeboy and get the full flip. You're welcome.

Flavor is

Re:Zero

.

Subaru-Reviver- first time he dies, he goes "back in time" and comes back 2 phases later but is treated dead meanwhile

Emilia-Neighbor- access to skylight neighborhood

Rem-Flavor Trader- request to flavor trade with someone

Puck-Miller- comes up as scum on investigations

Massclaim massclaim

D1: I kidnap someone and create a gamelong PT with them. We are not considered to be in game until next dayphase. During this time, we are BOTH IMMUNE TO being killed in ANY manner.

I kidnapped Beeboy of course.

D2: If I die with this role on, ALL daytalk will end, besides the daytalk in the game thread.

D3: Doctor. Standard doctor.

I doctored Wisdom.

D4: 200 character message appears at the start of the day.... I was dumb and forgot this. In any case, I didn't know what to say here.

D1 I kept the thread open during N2
D2 I gunsmithed acryon and received no gun
D3 I had global watcher and didn't use it
D4 I was double voter

Already claimed my roles before, but for a day breakdown.

D1 - Genos: Universal Backup. I took Srceen's role when he died but since he had used it I just got VT.
D2 - Bang: Role-checker. I checked Katsuki at night for "Loved". Explained this earlier but turns out I screwed this up.
D3 - Tatsumaki: Loved.
D4 - Saitama: Gladiatior. Didn't use this and don't think I ever would.
D5 - Genos: Universal Backup.

D1 - Motivator: used it on katsuki
N2 - Loyal Hider: used it on nsg
N3 - Bodyguard: used it on Wisdom
N4 - Coroner: used it on beeboy

D1 role cop on Wheme, got Role Copier
D2 mega role cop (all roles, not just their current role) on a target I will leave undisclosed as they have yet to fullclaim
D3 1-shot bodyguard, declined to use it
D4 Deflector, retargeted from Katsuki to Nosferatu

Softed my anime earlier but it is Kill La Kill.

Galaxy Express 999.

D1/N1 - Maetel - Beloved Princess
D2/N2 - Captain Harlock - Vengeful
D3/N3 - Claire - Caretaker / Babysitter, whatever you prefer to call it
D4/N4 - Tetsuro - Treestump
D5 - Guess what

flavor: Steins;Gate

N1 - choose a player, they are immune to daykills on D2. I picked GIF
N2 - choose a player and a type of actions, they are protected from this kind of actions. I protected KidAmn from killing actions
N3 - Delayed Nos
N4 - VT