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Post Post #25 (ISO) » Wed May 02, 2018 10:15 am

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Oh shit I didn't even notice we had choices to make, gimme a sec

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k, thoughts on choices:
1) Double lynch D1 seems like a trap, if we're confident we can chain 2 scum D1 then by all means let's fuckin go for it but I don't think this is something we necessarily want at this point in time (although it does give us functionally 2 "days" to find scum without them having a chance to act unless their roles have some really weird day-phase interactions, so... ehhhhh? I think this is the sort of thing I want to get 10+ pages into the day and get a feel for the crowd before I reasonably evaluate it)

2) Knowledge is power is a mantra that gets repeated a lot (in more or less or different words) in Mafia, and this is definitely knowledge of a sort. This seems like the conservative pick but depends entirely on what information we actually get, which will probably be limited enough to stop us *air-quote* "breaking the format"

3) The power level of this varies wildly - I'm gonna try and explain this the only way I know how, with Magic The Gathering. There are cards in Magic referred to as "punisher" mechanics wherein they give your opponent 2 choices (in this case much more than 2 choices presumably) that in theory are both really fucking bad for them but in practice they just choose whichever choice does the least damage to them in terms of resources/lifetotal/board state/etc, and that's what this choice feels like - I'm not sure in strict terms of game theory this is actually that good a pick because it basically reads "scum pick the 2 abilities that are least useful and continue to not use them just like they were gonna anyway"

tl;dr right now I think Choice 2 is the safe pick (not
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Post Post #26 (ISO) » Wed May 02, 2018 10:20 am

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I think getting a double lynch on a low information day like D1 is best

Scum probably aren't going to have anything spectacular right now, nor do they know where to point their night actions at, so it's not that good a buff for D1

Setup info is meh
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Post Post #27 (ISO) » Wed May 02, 2018 10:21 am

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Post Post #28 (ISO) » Wed May 02, 2018 10:22 am

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That's a reasonable point on choice 1 that I forgot to include - more info from the double lynch.
Like I said, I think it'll be situational, game is rolemadness so we might get more from D1 than we expect or much less, but it does have the highest ceiling in terms of raw utility for us.
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Post Post #29 (ISO) » Wed May 02, 2018 10:47 am

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Why not 3
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Post Post #30 (ISO) » Wed May 02, 2018 10:48 am

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3 may be bad actually idk
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Post Post #31 (ISO) » Wed May 02, 2018 11:10 am

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In post 25, KidAmn wrote:Oh shit I didn't even notice we had choices to make, gimme a sec

...

k, thoughts on choices:
1) Double lynch D1 seems like a trap, if we're confident we can chain 2 scum D1 then by all means let's fuckin go for it but I don't think this is something we necessarily want at this point in time (although it does give us functionally 2 "days" to find scum without them having a chance to act unless their roles have some really weird day-phase interactions, so... ehhhhh? I think this is the sort of thing I want to get 10+ pages into the day and get a feel for the crowd before I reasonably evaluate it)

2) Knowledge is power is a mantra that gets repeated a lot (in more or less or different words) in Mafia, and this is definitely knowledge of a sort. This seems like the conservative pick but depends entirely on what information we actually get, which will probably be limited enough to stop us *air-quote* "breaking the format"

3) The power level of this varies wildly - I'm gonna try and explain this the only way I know how, with Magic The Gathering. There are cards in Magic referred to as "punisher" mechanics wherein they give your opponent 2 choices (in this case much more than 2 choices presumably) that in theory are both really fucking bad for them but in practice they just choose whichever choice does the least damage to them in terms of resources/lifetotal/board state/etc, and that's what this choice feels like - I'm not sure in strict terms of game theory this is actually that good a pick because it basically reads "scum pick the 2 abilities that are least useful and continue to not use them just like they were gonna anyway"

tl;dr right now I think Choice 2 is the safe pick (not
great
for us, but probably doesn't do anything for the scum either), Choice 3 probably has the lowest ceiling in terms of how much it will hamper scum and is probably not great (IMO), and Choice 1 is something we can't yea or nay until people have started posting in significant numbers (highest ceiling but the lowest floor IMO); and therefore we shouldn't make any calls yet. None of these are going to be as good as the initial read suggests.
i rly agree with the highest ceiling/lowest floor comment on option 1.
@mod how long do we have to make this choice?
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Post Post #32 (ISO) » Wed May 02, 2018 11:13 am

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In post 25, KidAmn wrote:Oh shit I didn't even notice we had choices to make,
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Post Post #33 (ISO) » Wed May 02, 2018 11:16 am

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Another thing about choice 3 is that if scum have day powers they'll have used them by the time we choose
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Post Post #34 (ISO) » Wed May 02, 2018 11:17 am

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I definitely think 2 3 1 in that order.
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Post Post #35 (ISO) » Wed May 02, 2018 11:17 am

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In post 33, Wisdom wrote:Another thing about choice 3 is that if scum have day powers they'll have used them by the time we choose
that's a shout
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Post Post #36 (ISO) » Wed May 02, 2018 11:21 am

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Post Post #37 (ISO) » Wed May 02, 2018 11:22 am

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Post Post #38 (ISO) » Wed May 02, 2018 11:23 am

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In post 28, KidAmn wrote:That's a reasonable point on choice 1 that I forgot to include - more info from the double lynch.
Like I said, I think it'll be situational, game is rolemadness so we might get more from D1 than we expect or much less, but it does have the highest ceiling in terms of raw utility for us.
Not if scum have taken a town leadership role.
As of this moment I think 1 is horrible.
Unless something like “creature scum meta” comes up then it would be ideal.
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Post Post #39 (ISO) » Wed May 02, 2018 11:25 am

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Why is it horrible? More information (2 flips) can lead to better usage of night powers
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Post Post #40 (ISO) » Wed May 02, 2018 11:29 am

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VOTE: 2
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Post Post #41 (ISO) » Wed May 02, 2018 11:31 am

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In post 39, Wisdom wrote:Why is it horrible? More information (2 flips) can lead to better usage of night powers
I just said why.
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Post Post #42 (ISO) » Wed May 02, 2018 11:31 am

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Post Post #43 (ISO) » Wed May 02, 2018 11:31 am

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In post 41, Srceenplay wrote:
In post 39, Wisdom wrote:Why is it horrible? More information (2 flips) can lead to better usage of night powers
I just said why.
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Post Post #44 (ISO) » Wed May 02, 2018 11:32 am

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What do you mean with town leadership role for scum and how is that related to double lynch
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Post Post #45 (ISO) » Wed May 02, 2018 11:35 am

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In post 31, Randomnamechange wrote:@mod how long do we have to make this choice?
When someone is lynched whatever event has the most votes will be the event chosen
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Post Post #46 (ISO) » Wed May 02, 2018 11:36 am

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In post 38, Srceenplay wrote:Not if scum have taken a town leadership role.
Yes I did.
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Post Post #47 (ISO) » Wed May 02, 2018 11:38 am

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In post 38, Srceenplay wrote:As of this moment I think 1 is horrible.
Explain why
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Post Post #48 (ISO) » Wed May 02, 2018 11:40 am

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In post 44, Wisdom wrote:What do you mean with town leadership role for scum and how is that related to double lynch
It’s bad enough if scum are guiding us to a mislynch but two. That’s silly.

Where information is always something scum have more of than town. I don’t see anything negative about that.

3 sounds great as well. Role madness game and nerfing the scums power is great.
Only thing I’m worried about with that would be some unseen negative rebound that could hurt us.
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Post Post #49 (ISO) » Wed May 02, 2018 11:40 am

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I mean if town let scum take the leadership town is generally fucked so
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