Micro 801: 2 Mafia, 1 Vigilante, 6 Townies (Game Over)

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VOTE: RadiantCowbells

missed u

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Did you hack my inbox again?

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nsg definitely vig playing it low profile

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i mean, if you want some obvtown / lamist early game planning, i think if anyone is going to suggest a "vote on who to vig" thing, it'd be a bad idea.

Actually +1 hugely in this setup

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Doubles chance of running up the vig fmpov

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o/

I am

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@GL I rolled scum twice against RC in newbie games, can grab links if you want.

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VOTE: ceejayvinoya

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nsg definitely vig playing it low profile

Wouldn't you want to keep that to yourself?
Pedit: what I mean is that you could help the scum find the vig, but when I think about it I'm not sure how much posting vigreads helps scum.

ok
VOTE: invisibility

Catchin up

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I like GL and NSG, good vibes from Cheeky
Shaddowez goes either way rn

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These deadlines are so small

Someone gimme something to think about?

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I feel like I've got 2 obvious townreads one gut townlean and Shaddowez I'm kinda intentionally holding off on

Anyone else you wanna know about or would a really cheesy elaboration on NSG/GL help?

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NSG feels obvtown rn, she got engaged quick feels like she's solving the game and is engaging well with other ppl

GL less strong read but similar solving, questioning vibe. I think theres been a couple of posts from him where Ive been like "ya same"

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o_0

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Why are you not townreading me TW

workin on it you're above null

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Let's talk GL rq

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also I disagree with calling it an "empty vote" when it was made immediately after ceejay's posts

like it's unexplained sure but it's not really "empty". you can read into it if you want, or you could have asked him about it.

Basically I liked his opening and feel like his critical responses @ cheeky and shaddowez were solid

Are people seeing a non towny kinda motivation here that I'm missing?

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Why were you asking me about the gut townread?

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you called?

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I think there are two ways to tr rc rn

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Ceejay my man
Comment on something

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Are people seeing a non towny kinda motivation here that I'm missing?

I think GL gets easier to read as time goes on. Why is Shaddowez pinging you? Help me see it.

I would very very very strongly prefer to talk about this after a couple more shaddowez posts. "pinging me" is unfair, I was very literal saying they could go either way.

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Worst GL is a fascinating gamesolve

hmmm?

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I think TW/GL scum makes a lot of sense

and here I thought you thought I was decent

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Why the fuck would scum me read partner GL the way I'm reading partner GL right now

Time better spent looking for people to steal bread from

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I only play my scum meta as TPR

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Jokes aside tho someone wanna talk to me about GL if I'm misreading this badly?

pedit: :3

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Huntress?

Which scum games of mine have you even read? Imo my iconic partner tell is notttttt townreading them for shit reasons (post first scumgame)

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Ducklings have a different bread related wincon

Thats what I'm getting at, scumread me for actual reasons if youre gonna not for poorly applied meta

I'll then omgus vote u tho

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Basically I liked his opening and feel like his critical responses @ cheeky and shaddowez were solid

Are people seeing a non towny kinda motivation here that I'm missing?

^^^ this I wanna talk about, are you seeing nontown GL so far or just think TRing him is unjustified?

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Well I guess that answered my question

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Mostly PoE is fine, can you talk me through the non PoE part?

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Better chance of you misapplying dated meta than intentionally setting me up rn imo

It takes more casing to trigger my deep seated urge to omgus

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Cheeky.. >:

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:c

I'll stay 5eva

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you called?

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Hiraki where are you at with GL? I am thrown a little by the extreme different takes on him

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That's cool. Just in need of a check on my reads.

I think I can see myself on that Shaddowez wagon. Just need a bit more first. Invis feels better rn

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shaddowez is your common ground wanna join that wagon? ^_^

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nsg definitely vig playing it low profile

Wouldn't you want to keep that to yourself?
Pedit: what I mean is that you could help the scum find the vig, but when I think about it I'm not sure how much posting vigreads helps scum.

VOTE: shaddowez

Guys we've only got 4 days plus our 1 shot extensions. Speaking of which is there an optimal way to use our extensions?

Is there any reason not to just use our extensions when we're about to hit deadline?

appreciate v/la but this is their only post

of all the interesting things to have opinions on they have probably picked the two most useless non committal things possible

down to wagon this slot fo sho

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nah home and reading more now I'm on board

VOTE: shaddowez

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fu...muki...welcome...

<3

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are you town?

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this game is pretty fast paced for MS but has short days.. see what you can do.
ya I joined up for the shiny player list too

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best scumgame: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=75184
second best scumgame: viewtopic.php?f=50&t=74985
fairly bad scumgame: viewtopic.php?f=50&t=74644

most recent finished town games (my town game has developed a lot since i started ~6 months ago)

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=75246
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=75571


(stolen from elsewhere, I seem to be asked for this often. :c)

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@Invisibility Uh...okay, why you didn't place at least a vote on RVS Invisibility-san?

That's cool. Just in need of a check on my reads.

I think I can see myself on that Shaddowez wagon. Just need a bit more first.

Invis feels better rn

D-duckling-san...I'm hoping we're comrades here but...let me see if I got this...:

You have been getting good vibes on GL, right, but are you familiar with scum!GL play? He honestly sounds townish and I don't see how we could sort him with that little he has posted, I want to see much more from him before town leaning he.

However there begins to circulate some doubt about you/GL, and you start going to a Shaddow wagon, and says that Invis "feels better" when he didn't post since 60 (when you voted him).

Was it simply a change of heart when looking back at his posts? Would you say that you're kind of sheeping GL thoughts on Shaddow?

i haven't played with scum!GL no, i don't think i've read any games with him in them actually
also elaborated on my reasons for disliking invis a little later--let me know if you want a link
but yeah when i reviewed that and checked myself and reread shaddowez' entrance i was like ... o yikes

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RC's meta is that he is widely regarded as the best scum player in MS history?

RC's meta is that he is widely regarded as the best scum player in MS history?

O-oh..r-right..

forget that town read...

rc is back
let's paranoia lynch rc

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I don't mind what associations you make d1 RC, I am seriously not a fan of being mislynched so would encourage you to go after whoever you think my partner if you think I'm scum.

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RC please explain how you actually see me as scum so far

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I'm seeing myself as a common factor in quite a few of your theories but not seeing any like actual reasoning?

seeing a lot of conclusions but nearly no trajectory ig, engage with me

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fumuki don't do this cheeky shading stuff
it feels clever but it makes you look scummy af d2+

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fumuki don't do this

cheeky shading stuff

it feels clever but it makes you look scummy af d2+

Cheeky...shading stuff...?

I don't know what you're specifically commenting on but...I'm just asking questions around and pointing out things?

Honestly It seems like this is becoming the norm...I get first town read and afterwards people want to lynch me...

this is an interesting conclusion to jump to, was I trying to lynch you?

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honestly just like

RC town
nsg town
Hiraki should still be town
I trust her townread on CJ

so

TW
Invis
Fumuki
GL
Shaddow

I mean I could vote Shaddowez I guess?

But I wouldn't ever want you to go to endgame with a shaddowez scumflip.

you're trusting hiraki's read on cj? have they even stated one yet?
but not hiraki's read on me?

PoE is cute but you're throwing around a lot of scum!TW team ideas, show me why you're scumreading me

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and Shaddowez's weird treatment of the you/GL dichotomy plus general scumminess makes me think it's them + one of {you/GL}

explain shaddowez' general scumminess for me
also waiting for you to scumcase me

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yup I mixed up the NSG ceej read--my bad

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<3 good, because I'm town

this is an interesting conclusion to jump to, was I trying to lynch you?

When did I say that

you

specifically were trying to get me lynched TW-san...? You said that if I kept doing "cheeky-shading" I would look scummy af, I just wanted to express that later on it seems that I get suspected on the games I played so far. And I honestly don't understand what you're saying for me to stop doing...

I think that TW realizes that me tying them together is extremely not good, that given the strength of my reads trying to sway me to vote neither of them is nearly impossible, that trying to redirect the wagon elsewhere AND survive overnight through my tunnel is basically futile, and that the best way forward is to dissociate themselves by bussing and hope he gets townread because he was an early voter on the wagon.

Weren't you suspicious of GL/TW and GL/Shadow before? I need to check again, but did TW only start wanting to join Shadow wagon

after

you associated them or did he voted him

before

and you linked them afterwards?

@fumuki this is it--your attitude towards me so far feels slightly more like trying to achieve a net scumread on me than organically read me
it's honest feedback assuming you're new to MS / not an alt ;n; sorry if it came across wrong

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Stupid work.

I'm currently pinging on GL - Something about his tone is bothering me here. His comment in 73 has me on edge, and then the soft recommendation to vote on vig kills feels like he's trying to fish. With only 5 posts I'm not confident enough for a vote, though.

I will do this though -
VOTE: the worst

Fluff posts and an empty vote so far. Not cool, not cool

ceejay

- if you said you missed RVS, why vote a slot that "needs pressure", especially when there were others that hadn't even posted yet?

Getting a gut TR on Hiraki and RC.

Anyone I haven't mentioned yet is somewhere in the neutral zone.

Like shaddowez's opener enough I guess

Wait why am I townreading shadowwez am I just being bad right now

talk me from here to shaddowez' "general scumminess"?

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I don't agree with the advice you're giving Fumuki regardless of your alignments

fair, it's definitely a personality/style thing but compared to last time i played with fumuki it pinged me a tiiiiny bit
still need to give him a decent readthru when I'm not spamming responses to you

let's leave it to postgame

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I hold your reads in pretty high stead, just want to understand your thought process

what parts of it were you townreading?
what pinged you that it wasn't as towny as you thought?
how did shaddowez plummet from just-above-null to #1 SR?

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ok 290 is decent, ignore question #3
I think 290 + question #2 basically cover it

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TW have I given you the talk about how I read the thread and my reads rapidly evolve and I eventually get to like a real point
this is that real point, that was when I had immediately read the thread and my thoughts were jumbled

like my townread there was just an immediate, poorly thought out reaction

note that I also scumread NSG immediately and then with little additional posting locktowned her
note the fluctuation in CheekyTeeky as well

yes we talked about it in my last game with you (briefly)

I am trying to get in ur head

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LET'S DO IT

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@fumuki this is it--your attitude towards me so far feels slightly more like trying to achieve a net scumread on me than organically read me
it's honest feedback assuming you're new to MS / not an alt ;n; sorry if it came across wrong

N-no, the feedback is okay however I'm really only trying to sort some of you actions because I hoped to get a good read on you... (I'm not an alt btw .-.)

I'm starting to think this TW/Shadow think is a lynch bait progressing too fast but...dunno...

RC attitude seems a town confident in his reads however I don't know what to make of him. He just progress things too quickly and in separated posts, I'm not used to it...

Talk to me about it if you're not comfortable? ^~^ shoot me any other questions if you need or I've accidentally ignored them

pedit: NO spit it out

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So we wagon shaddowez then win!!

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nsg definitely vig playing it low profile

Wouldn't you want to keep that to yourself?
Pedit: what I mean is that you could help the scum find the vig, but when I think about it I'm not sure how much posting vigreads helps scum.

VOTE: shaddowez

Guys we've only got 4 days plus our 1 shot extensions. Speaking of which is there an optimal way to use our extensions?

Is there any reason not to just use our extensions when we're about to hit deadline?

appreciate v/la but this is their only post

of all the interesting things to have opinions on they have probably picked the two most useless non committal things possible

down to wagon this slot fo sho

@fu...mu...
this is all that's why I changed my vote

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Does fumuki even try to engage with us this hard as scum tho?
@arcy

Just treat this question as coming from town me, I need someone to bounce ideas off here

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Does fumuki even try to engage with us this hard as scum tho?
@arcy

Just treat this question as coming from town me, I need someone to bounce ideas off here

uh i don't understand this question, what does he do differently as scum?

I wouldnt expect him to expose himsslf this much
Might be reading this in too many dimensions

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Wagonning shaddowez rn is like beyond optimal

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Wait dont shoot it yet

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D1 is basically shit, a certain level of content needs to be achieved but HIGH PRESSURE = GOOD CONTENT
If we get to the deadline and we dont feel satisfied and dont want a lynch we pop an extension within like 12 hrs of EOD. Not pre emptively

D2 is 10 times better than D1, so rinse above and repeat.

Basically fmpov pop extensions when they feel necessary not just to blow it aimlessly

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Wasnt even gonna preview edit....

Fumuki my love for you just lessened a little......

(99.8%)

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Wasnt even gonna preview edit....

Fumuki my love for you just lessened a little......

(99.8%)

L-like, you a-appreciate more...m-me...as s-soft-spoken...?

I thought our love was e-eternal ://

Just for blowing your extension.....still love you, just only 99.8% love you now

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IT'S

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ON

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BITCHES

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I'll settle for 3rd....

Pedit: fucking dead ily rc

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fu.....muki....senpai.......

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Urge to get drunk with fumuki and rc...... Rising........

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Ceasing here is dsfinirely wise yeah

P much waiting on shaddowez to rock up or someone to change my life

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........ hyperventilates

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Invissy you there?

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Tallk to me A little?

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You have 1 townread 2 townleans 2 nullreads and 3 ??scumleans

Just pick a few at random and tell me a bit about how you got there

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Fumuki Hiraky shaddowez and ceejay are fantastic choices

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hai fam

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No we're winning this before D2

Invis isn't a viable shot

I think invisibility's hedging on his reads is a scumtell and that when he enters the thread he's not actually making an effort to sort people. Scum mindset.

True af

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what if greenliquid is scum with GL?

i think this every time i see gl v_v

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I think I'm back here
VOTE: Invisibility

pedit: whaaaaat

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that's L-1 I think, not really unhappy abt it

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sorry will do

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Fuck off

right back @ u rc

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when's your bday nsg?

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Invisibility was just lynched Fumuki.

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when's your bday nsg?

december

happy nearly-half-birthday

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my birthday is Tuesday

happy birthday!!!!

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shaddowez

(3): Hiraki, the worst, GuiltyLion

Fumuki

(2): ceejayvinoya, Invisibility

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(1): shaddowez

GuiltyLion

(1): RadiantCowbells

Invisibility

(2): northsidegal, Fumuki

Not voting

:

Nobody

hmm they're both good wagons actually

VOTE: Invisibility
I want my vote here because I want shaddowez to respond to this Invisibility wagon

I think I'm back here
VOTE: Invisibility

pedit: whaaaaat

then rc hammer

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yup I'm not loving the death of time on this phase.

was keen for a wagon here but not a lynch (yet, at least).

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my birthday is Tuesday

H-happy b-birthday..!!

Btw, only now I saw that TW and GL switched votes to Invisibility.

Why you guys didn't wait at least for Shaddow to

post

anything close to

relevant

to us sort him out? Same with CJ.

I even used my deadline extension...

I would have liked to run the phase to deadline.

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Good luck to the vig.

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I doubt it's a wagon with 2 scum anyway

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missed u rc

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It's nice to be playing with you again fwiw

you are less scary than I remember

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RC is one of the coolest.
top 5. :3

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actually in a game with one tpr starting to think that hammer has exactly 0 town motivation

but anywayyy

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dat vig doe

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Who was weird af around shaddowez again?

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Finishing the game is a formality at this point imo

My PoE remains right +/- TW

Gotta reevaluate whatever interaction made me decide not SvS

Pinkie promise I'm down dude I think you know this by now

Catching up brb

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-creating a flashwagon on one of my townreads then ducking responsibility for the townflip

HMMMM HOLD THE FUCK ON

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Hiraki was never ever ever getting lynched imo. Kill more likely to come from scum who are under heat and basically just need to spin a couple of mislynches over themselves

Thoughts?

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I would have killed RC as well. The only one who probably wouldnt have by 2d nka is nsg

But so much wifom death trap shit here.

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Yo fumuki do another pic of me with a halo

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Yeah probably considering GL as a possibility here

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rc obvscum

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Balance of all things I don't think you're likely to be scum nah

Obviously consider all angles in LyLo (if I survive the night) but that just is what it is

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Rc nsg and ceej are all pretty confidently town right?

Lynch GL vig fumuki = win?

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Rc

nsg and ceej are all pretty confidently town right?

Hmm..for me nop but anyway...

Day 3 lynch RC and Night 3 vig the lovely duckling I guess...

you break my heart...

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Probably about at

tw
nsg
rc
ceej
fumuki
gl

party time?

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hi rc o/

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isn't it better to lynch fumuki given that we know basically for sure that he's not the vig?

good point, deal

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VOTE: fumuki

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oh?

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Hes probably scum or vig, should always be vigged n2

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VOTE: Fumuki

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you scum? <3

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I'll say more post flip bc I have seen Fumuki troll and I love him too much to assume he's behaving.

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I'm proud of my play here tho.

pedit: fkn hell rc I was waiting for the flip

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Did you intentionally crumb vig @ me?

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Good luck to the vig.

missed u rc

It's nice to be playing with you again fwiw

you are less scary than I remember

actually in a game with one tpr starting to think that hammer has exactly 0 town motivation

but anywayyy

was this of any value or

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ok. I'll stay quiet on the d1 stuff I picked up

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it was a great bday present

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thanks guys.... I'm shooting cfj tonight

Guess we'll see what happens ^_^

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Btw even If I knew who the vig was I would probably not kill depending on the player, since I wanted to play with you guys I didn't want to kill you that early then I came up with a strategy by killing Hiraki

<3333

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Ceejay is only gonna get better but his logic can be on the wrong side of lazy logic sometimes

(me too tho he's like my clone)

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thanks for modding CFJ. loved this game, the shorter phases are fucking awesome.

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They can go up to normal length if required (there are enough extensions out there) but it rarely actually happens.

yeah, the extension phase is so so good. sometimes longer phases are invaluable but a lot of the time it's fantastic getting a bit of momentum going.

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Comes down to the vig, as well.
NSG is one of the best town players out so if there's a good kill to make, she makes it.

Most vigs seem to go st00p1d and play hero like....paranoia shooting RC is a prime example

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his "that hammer has no pro-town equity" post or whatever told me that scum!TW probably would have assumed RC was more likely to be the vig too.

ayyyy GL you get me! : D

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yah I like your style the worst, would definitely like to play with ya again sometime

right back atcha Guilty, sounds like a plan!

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I really really didnt want to lynch you but I got into playing 3d chess with myself like

What if he knows and he knows I know he knows but he's buddying me

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Right....the confusion was real. I loved the RC/me vig wifom but sadly Fumuki ignored it..... I'm impressed he'd pseudo PoE'd it to nsg and hiraki actually..