Gunner Mafia [Endgame]

[AP]

Hello there, ladies! *Smoochie smoochie smooch*

As for all you gens, keep the pants on and BEHAVE!

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JUST WHAT THIS GAME NEEDED

Did you miss me?

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): feels bad man

I know! It's hard to keep them pants on all the time, but this is not Disney and you're not Donald Duck.

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Obviosuly, I can't get down to business without some feedback though. You don't expect me to do 158 pages all at one go, do you? Even if I wanted to I don't think I have that much mojo, so get squealing already.

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heck

Step #1: Get her drunk. (Check)

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1) are you scum?

Who? Me?? NEVER! I'm too sexy for the lynch, too sexy for the lynch, lynch is gonna bypass me.

But I suspect some people here would want me to also play the game, so yeah.. I'm not scum. For real.

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VOTE: Cheeky

Eww. I LOVE women wrestling

[AP]

First question: Has there been any sign of this being MB or should I assume it's single ball and move on?

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you have multiple balls.

I know. You know, my pants aren't exactly the best thing you could ever see, but they're close enough.

Now about the game, do we have one team for sure, or did Dr Evil split his minions in groups?

P-edit: The "other win cons may or may not exists" + the part in the wolves win con that says "and eliminate all threats" made me think there might be at least a 3P killer. Wolves cannot take out the Town Gunner by any means if I understand the mechanics correct, and I don't expect the town to have another killer aside from the Gunner. (Did you really have to pick that name though? I hate Arsenal FC)

[AP]

OK, assuming this is indeed multi-ball, I think the last scum is between Beeboy and TW. One of them is scum.

Now the reason I say "last" scum is somewhere in Maria's ISO.. hold on a sec.

Here it is:

Ausuka Bins Cheeky (most likely) and last idk in the people I'm not tring

She named 3 suspects (that makes Bins/Cheeky town in my book, btw) and then added "and last", hinting the team is of 4 members.

Earlier though she said

Aus/Bins/Gork

are the 3 I feel like lynching others are null or tr's

So Gork is town too.

Later on she had a list of TR that didn't include srceen

3. Beeboy
10. Gorkington
11. GreyICE
15. Spiffeh
17. Tchill13
19. Centipede Syndrome (Ellibereth+Chara)
21. Nero Cain

^people I TR

so I presume there's a chance one scum is here (the last one). It is not me, and it's not Gorky, and -judging by communication and wagon compositions- I think I can safely rule out CS too. Beeboy is the most likely of them to flip scum, followed by Spiffeh/Nero/Grey, but I think I've seen something or another in srceen/Ausuka's ISO's that suggest these 3 are not scum with hem either.

The TW SR comes from assuming Maria actually didn't list a scum buddy in her list of TRs, so looking outside of that group I thought TW might be the one, especially with his vote idle for most of the time. Pano comes next but there's a considerable gap between that slot and TW. The Pano Scum lean is due to vote count analysis (also skimmed quickly to form a general read).

Finally, Creaure's vote patterns qualifies him to be in my suspects pool, but he seems more active which someone said is a towntell, so I dunno.

Lynch TW/Beeboy and if they flip town lynch the other. Only if the game doesn't end will I look Pano's way and Creature will be my last resort. I thin everyone else is town.

P-edit: Wait! So Gork actually died and got resurrected? WHY WON'T ANYONE TELL ME THAT WAS A CONFIRMED SLOT??

[AP]

Any other revealed alignments/roles I should know about?

[AP]

Oh okay, AP is scum.

You wish. Unless you think Chill would bus both his scummates like that. He was SRing both Aus & Maria. In fact, out of his last list of 3 here 3043 you're the only one I didn't include in my immediate lynch pool. Think I made a mistake there?

[AP]

So, there are more than one scum left, and Grey is one?? I don't get his peeve with me. Somebody help ...

[AP]

Oh I'm still alive. *does townie stuff*

Who is AP replacing?

Come closer and find out for yourself, baby!

[AP]

Grey got out on the wrong side of the bed every time he posted here

It's a personality thing I think after the wagon war d1 but hes not a hard townread

Poor lad. I always make sure it's really a woman not a rock star before I turn off the lights!

Oh, I get it! he must've hated my remark about the Arses.. erm .. I mean the Gunners. He must be a Gooner. (In that case, if it makes you feel better I also dislike Spurs. Not as much as I hate the Gunners though).

[AP]

Oh okay, AP is scum.

You wish. Unless you think Chill would bus both his scummates like that. He was SRing both Aus & Maria. In fact, out of his last list of 3 here 3043 you're the only one I didn't include in my immediate lynch pool. Think I made a mistake there?

This is a weird defense.

Are you caught up in the game? Somehow you're very aware of your own slots play... seems like a scum thing. Like a Amished tell but BETTER.

I ISO'd all 3 flipped scum and I ISO'd my predecessor. I also ISO'd the mods but I was mainly looking at wagon developments, so didn't pay attention to posts with no VCs in them.

[AP]

Sufficiently paranoid lol

what if Gork was incorrectly resurrected and is now evil

Was it promoted as a bastard game though?

[AP]

Sufficiently paranoid lol

what if Gork was incorrectly resurrected and is now evil

That would be considered bastard and this game is confirmed not bastard, or at least to not have this mechanic.

Right. So, no. Gork is mod-confirmed a townie.

[AP]

I could be convinced in lynching anyone who suggests Multiball.

That would be the most stupid reason to be lynched over.

[AP]

@nsg--is this singleball? (if you can confirm)

From the rules post:

The villager win condition is: You win if you eliminate all non- villagers.

The wolf win condition is: You win if you reach parity with the town and eliminate all threats to the wolves, or nothing can stop this from happening.

Other win conditions may or may not exist.

And this was the mod's response. Now can somebody honestly tell me they are 100% it's single ball when the town win con is to eliminate all "non-villagers", the wolf win con is to eliminate all "threats to the wolves", and the mod specifically said that other won cons "may" exist?? Now add the mod declaration that there are definitely no 3P aligned slots and do the math. I mean, it's non-conclusive, but from where I stand that's a 50-50 shot, and especially so when we've had 3 scums flipped out of 3 deaths.

[AP]

So you ISO'd all the scum slots?

I thought I did explicitly say I did ISO all 3 flipped scums.

[AP]

I mean, I did skim alright.. I was looking for who they talked to and what their reads were and that's it. I paid more attention to Maria (I started with that) then just looked for who the other 2 voted and then turned to VCA

[AP]

Sshh Bins I'm hoping he'll slip

I can only slip if the floor is wet and I'm not standing hard enough on my feet.

[AP]

You paid more attention to your predecessors interactions with the scum than I would normally expect, but meh.

?? Did I lose my touch on the opposite sex?

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Seriously though.. I asked to be updates as soon as I replaced in, and nobody gave a used toilet paper, let alone a whole shit! I had to go dig for some info for myself. DEAL!

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Like, PHUCK EVERYONE who says this is single ball. Ausuka's role says "Every night, you can target a player and

learn their alignment.

"

Now why would scum, need to learn of the alignment(s) in a bloody single ball with no SK??

Ausuka's first ability is "you can target someone to learn their rolecard,

including their name

". What name? My role card simply tells me I'm a villager, but I have no name.

This actually got me interested so I went back to read srceen's role, and he seems to both motivate AND roleblock the same person on the same night? This -to me- means someone has a strongman modifier to overcome the RB. Otherwise it's meaningless.

Maria's lie-detector was borderline on it's own. It could apply to single ball as a check on roles, but then it could be used in multi ball to find the other team as well.

So don't you dare assert it must be single ball here. Not unless the game was copied from another site and the rephrasing of the roles was poor and let some traces of the original game slip past proper modification.

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You know what? I don't even keep track of my won/loss ratio. I made this account specifically to troll and not care because the majority of players are stupid enough to throw away games that could have otherwise easily been won.

VOTE: Beeboy

Suck it. Over and out.

[AP]

AP did you read the game specific rules?

I skimmed them too. I didn't claim anything except that I have no name. So?

[AP]

Oh. OK. SO the rules explicitly state there are no names on the cards. So what was that ability Ausuka had? What does it mean?

[AP]

And are you telling me you don't like AP?

[AP]

@Brian: I'm OK with this assessment. This much friendlier than your earlier call to lynch anyone who promotes the possibility to begin with. I think we can now agree that it's am existing possibility that you do not wish to pursue unless here's further evidence o it being the case. Yes?

[AP]

Can someone tell me why beeboy is scum?

Let's see..

1- for starters, which of the following votes looks townie to you?

Spoiler: B's entire voting record

VOTE: Mafia

Sheep me please.

VOTE: yrsjwnfhhnyjszfrt msfhyztbnuxcm rjcxjsfthynjucb x

VOTE: wolf

Sorry, didn't read that whole mess. I skimmed enough to find out it was a mess tho.

I'm going here:

VOTE: Mafia Gunner

This is fake.

VOTE: Quick

VOTE: Tchill

My post had plenty of content.

VOTE: CheekyTeeky

Then moving on with his ISO..

2- Why post misleading info (post 57) suggesting the Gunners do count for parity when the OP says they do not?

3- According to the roles he posted the Gunners can shoot in the opening 5 minutes of the day. Yet he suggests this:

If the same mechanics hold I think that the town gunner shouldn't ever actually vote, since the Gunner is the most valuable townie.

Also they should probably just shoot leading wagons

.

Who do you think is more likely to pile up on any given player in the opening 5 minutes? (Note that scum had a Role Cop).

A counter argument that he realized his mistake can

not

be made. 57 & 59 were only 2 minutes apart and he even started 59 with "If the same mechanics hold" clearly suggesting he is working under the assumption that 57 is true.

4- Not gonna lie. Town

can

be wrong and indeed are more often than not. However, the following isn't exactly the towniest thing that had ever been said, considering Ausuka's flip.

I think Ausuka's Brian push comes from town.

5- Did you know he never once voted for scum? Of course you did. I've just posted his whole voting record above.

Note: For those fishing for fake slips: I obviously means he never voted any of the 3 flipped scum.

6- Can you spot the contradiction?

The votecounter abusal was funny at first, but now it's just getting silly.

I am voting a scum wolf so I fail to see what I am doing wrong.

@ Bee

Why are you attempting to vote ppl not in the game?

It's fun to see where it gets redirected.

He is random voting "to see where it gets redirected", yet was asserting he was "voting a scum wolf" (his vote then was on Bins)

7- Let's follow up with #6. So Bins was a scum wolf, but she turned to be one of his strongest TRs later on? And for the same reasoning that Ausuka was a TR too?

8- So what was that reason? SCUM!Maria made a "really half assed push" on he two. (post 3064)
Usually I'd say a half assed push from scum happens more often on a scum buddy for distancing, so I don't even get the reasoning here (NOT that I SR Bins, but I have different reasons)

9- He's making a big deal od Quick voting the Mafia Gunner. To me that's

much much more

reasonable than "just mashing buttons on your keyboard to vote at random" (see post 88)

10-

I don't think quick is stupid enough to believe he is the only one who thought we should be voting confirmed scum.

To use his own words, I don't think Beeboy is stupid enough to believe he is the only one who thought we should be random voting to catch scum.

Shall I go on? I got bored myself typing all this. I prefer to read, form reads and just vote. Making cases isn't exactly my long suit.

[AP]

I forgot to add a gimmick to piss off GI Joe there. Never mind. Consider yourself pissed off.

[AP]

It's clearly to trick trackers and

lie-detectors

The lie detectors that

also scum

? OK, got it!

[AP]

But I guess you think that it's more likely that the moderator is literally lying than someone else being more clever than you in setup design?

You know, I'm going to point this out to you once and then refrain from commenting on the subject (for obvious reasons)L You maybe a good mod, but your ego is so inflated you really overestimate yourself as a player. You also have serious self-confidence issues so you like to intimidate those who "you think" are vulnerable to your abuse. In other words (and I don't mean this to be taken literally) you have a "shorty" so you're always trying to remind yourself it's "not the length if the vector that counts" although deep inside you feel lacking in the force all the same.

I suggest you try to earn yourself some respect among your fellow players rather than their sympathy, cuz you don't even get that from me.

P-edit: There you go. "far too small" is what I'm thinking indeed, my friend. But it was you who said it, not I.

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@V: My problem is not with the point(s) you raise. My problem is with the condescending phrasing you use conveying them.

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Gork has died, flipped a townie and has been resurrected. <<< THAT I wasn't told when I asked for what you're asking, so I figured I'd be nice and point it out.

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Pinkie promise you're town?

May I miss every single hole if I'm not! (Hint: I'm in a golf tournament)

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That's hard for me to do while I'm holding the stick, don't you think?

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why are people jumping off the beeboy wagon so quickly? because of the claim?

OMG FLASHBACKS TO YESTERDAY'S SRCEENPLAY WAGON
OMG FLASHBACKS TO BINS DISMANTLING THE CLAIM

MARIAR ARE WE TOWN TOGETHER FOR ONCE

Gun to head Gork and Maria is TvT

OMG SO MANY FLASHBACKS

20/20

[AP]

However, I'll unvote for safety.

UNVOTE:

So here's the deal: If Beeboy is faking, the Town Gunner can shoot him. If he dies, that's fine. If not, we know he's lying anyway and we can lynch him still.

[AP]

However, I'll unvote for safety.

UNVOTE:

So here's the deal: If Beeboy is faking, the Town Gunner can shoot him. If he dies, that's fine. If not, we know he's lying anyway and we can lynch him still.

town gunner already took a shot at cheeky

2 things:

1- They can do it tomorrow
2- We don't know if they can only shoot once per day

Can we draw the line on this discussion here, please? I mean, what's the worst case? The player controlling the Town Gunner dies overnight and they don't get to shoot anyone on D3? Do you think we wouldn't notice that, assuming the flip doesn't tell us they are who they are?

[AP]

kind of feel like beeboy would have claimed the other shot if he were actually the gunner?

Gunner is publicly announced, wasnt Maria a dayvig?

That was a good point, so I went back to ISO the mods again, and found 3531 a bit interesting.
It seems Beeboy's apathy had started

before

Mulch stepped down as a mod. Makes me thing the "I;m apathetic because Mulch isn't modding" is a lie meant to cover for his lurking.

[AP]

I didn't shoot Cheeky?

Then you are

not

the Town Gunner by default, because

the mod

said the Town Gunner shot at Cheeky.

So, you now need to explain in more depth.

[AP]

So, Beeboy claims JOAT. Someone (Centipede?) is calling for a semi-mass claim in a game where there is anti-claiming mechanics.

1) I'm skeptical of Bee's claim still, but because of the anti-claim mechanic I am willing to wait and see what becomes of that
2) I am now sus of Centipede because of the call for claims

What should I do?

[AP]

VOTE: Panopticon

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VOTE: CheekyTeeky

L-1. me thinks

[AP]

So, I pegged scum!Beeboy and helped lynch Scum!CheekyTeeky on the same day, yet I still got shot by the TOWN VIG! It must've been my sex appeal.

P-edit: It was Grey, the town vig.

Also, and

I do

not

blame NSG for this

, but I wasn't told Spiffeh was "not mafia" when I replaced in. I found it funny though because Tchill neighbirized Spiffeh before he knew he was town. I wanted to add Gork to the neighborhood, so if the game had been still ongoing that would've been a masonry and I wouldn't have known it.

[AP]

I think Grey said to vig him.

yes, he did. And he listened to his own request and went on with it too.

[AP]

Was it? Oh.. yeah. Grey was the scum kill target. My bad.

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