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Post Post #1355 (isolation #200) » Tue Apr 17, 2018 5:52 am

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In post 1354, Gorkington wrote:p-edit: theres a wagon on tchill?
Exactly?
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Post Post #1359 (isolation #201) » Tue Apr 17, 2018 6:00 am

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In post 1356, Gorkington wrote:like, i think it should be clear at this point that actively pushing for a counterwagon when tchill is unsorted is going to derail the momentum of the game.
the best use for my vote is putting it on the main wagon unless im townreading tchill, which im not.
Why?
In post 1356, Gorkington wrote:i dont understand what you think i should be doing right now otherwise?
especially since ive made it clear i dont have much time for actively reading this game this week?
Def not just jumping on the biggest BW with a naked vote like that is magically going to do something

@Thor, Why was Gork Town for that post?
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Post Post #1361 (isolation #202) » Tue Apr 17, 2018 6:01 am

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In post 1357, Gorkington wrote:can you talk about why youre taking stances on the wagon instead of the player?
I'm not taking a stance on the wagon. Whether Chill flips Town or Scum here you look bad both ways. If Chill is Town, it's opportunistic, if he is Scum, it's a buss without reasoning attached.
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Post Post #1362 (isolation #203) » Tue Apr 17, 2018 6:03 am

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In post 1360, GreyICE wrote:
In post 1352, Thor665 wrote:
In post 1349, GreyICE wrote:As they say, NAI. You pissed him off, he got pissed off. That's genuine. It's also not alignment indicative.
You don't think that him getting legit pissed about me mocking the entire concept of his town game as performed here is alignment indicative?
Why would he get legit pissed if he was scum?
1) I wish you'd respond to the entire post, this chopping posts to bits and responding to a small part makes me not want to talk to you
2) Yes, responding angrily to mockery is NAI. It should not be hard to figure out why.
I sorta agree... I actually think where people react angrily to a push on them it makes them more often Town, but given the nature of Thor's push, I would say it's pretty NAI.

Do you know your role yet, or do you want to keep up the charade a bit longer?
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Post Post #1368 (isolation #204) » Tue Apr 17, 2018 6:15 am

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In post 1364, Gorkington wrote:or it could be that tchill is low on content and pressure is a decent way of trying to enforce him following through on delivering that content?

youre acting like voting someone does nothing, but if i voted another player, the momentum on tchill could have staggered and then he would essentially be allowed to continue lurking if hes scum with no repercussions. its not as though its "magically" doing something, but it is reinforcing that i personally want to see content from him and until he delivers im continuing to vote him.

we could get into a big argument over whether votes actually cause pressure on players, but we're literally 8 days from deadline at this point. regardless of whether im town or scum, it shouldnt be hard to piece together that my intention isnt to lynch, but to cause pressure or to fake the intention to cause pressure. i doubt i would ever vote someone with the intent of getting a mislynch as scum at this stage of the game.
I can see that as a possible alternative to why you voted them, but then why didn't you state your reasoning that you have here when you originally voted them? You can see my point has merit right?
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Post Post #1369 (isolation #205) » Tue Apr 17, 2018 6:15 am

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In post 1365, Gorkington wrote:how often do you see someone get lynched 4+ days before deadline?
A lot?
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Post Post #1375 (isolation #206) » Tue Apr 17, 2018 6:18 am

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In post 1372, Gorkington wrote:i said "choo choo". its basically an implication of "this is wagoning for the sake of the wagon". the follow-up question i had for tchill was asking for a timeline on his reads.

p-edit: on d1?
choochoo is hardly a reason to vote someone. You can't be serious here.

Yeah, happens a lot regardless of what day it is. Town is stupid.
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Post Post #1379 (isolation #207) » Tue Apr 17, 2018 6:20 am

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In post 1374, GreyICE wrote:Hell yeah. I've had a game where I voted three people on day 1 and my vote never left scum.

If you think it's impossible to have good reads on day 1 you might just be bad.
Could you please answer the question I directed at you? I'll repeat: do you plan on continuing the charade that you don't know your role or are you going to admit you knew your role all along? And I not even necessarily SRing you for that, so just be honest, kay?
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Post Post #1386 (isolation #208) » Tue Apr 17, 2018 6:23 am

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In post 1381, Gorkington wrote:
In post 1375, Quick wrote:choochoo is hardly a reason to vote someone. You can't be serious here.

Yeah, happens a lot regardless of what day it is. Town is stupid.
choochoo as in "train" as in "all aboard the train".
i literally have a track record of saying it and drawing trains with people that are on wagons with me.
why else would i say it?

and i just dont think its a realistic interpretation to think that scum is always trying to immediately get a lynch. i feel like scum's priorities [especially early on when theres a long game ahead of them] are often a lot more oriented towards survival and protecting teammates?
I could argue this further, but it's pointless honestly. I don't think you throw out that self meta and have it be untrue so it's NAI.
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Post Post #1387 (isolation #209) » Tue Apr 17, 2018 6:24 am

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In post 1382, Srceenplay wrote:VOTE: quick
Seriously, stop, I'm not getting lynched. Pick a viable wagon.
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Post Post #1394 (isolation #210) » Tue Apr 17, 2018 6:26 am

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Grey is completely ignoring me ._.
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Post Post #1399 (isolation #211) » Tue Apr 17, 2018 6:31 am

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VOTE: Grey

Can we get a Grey wagon going?
  1. He refuses to engage with me
  2. Creature said he can't be TSTBS
  3. His behavior is Scummy af
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Post Post #1406 (isolation #212) » Tue Apr 17, 2018 6:34 am

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In post 1403, Hopkirk wrote:Grey is the kind of person I wouldn't lynch d1 (since the lynch gives us nothing) since vigilantes are common and he's the perfect n1 target.
Only problem here is there is no way to assume vig actually shoots them.
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Post Post #1505 (isolation #213) » Tue Apr 17, 2018 10:23 am

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In post 1439, Thor665 wrote:
In post 1362, Quick wrote: given the nature of Thor's push, I would say it's pretty NAI.
Why is that?
The way you are pressuring him it feel like you are actually trying to get a rise out of him. It's in your firm points and not really working with him in the slightest. I know he is a Scum read, but I think anyone who get a case on them that is tunnelesque is probably going to react the way Screen has reacted. Not saying you are actually tunneling because you are not. Just saying you keep hammering on the same point and that can frustrate anyone.
In post 1439, Thor665 wrote:
In post 1359, Quick wrote:@Thor, Why was Gork Town for that post?
Which post?

I'm putting him in town for an ongoing series of posts that feel both honest and town minded.
The post I said was Scummy for his naked vote and saying "choochooo" which was the only thing he said about chill in that post. Why were the series of posts honest and Town minded?
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Post Post #1516 (isolation #214) » Tue Apr 17, 2018 10:52 am

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In post 1451, Brigand Vvulf wrote:
In post 1438, GreyICE wrote: Look, you're town, so I'm going to let you in on the sad thing about these large games. It takes 11 to lynch. There's probably 5 scum, leaving 16 townies. That means if six townies decide to play The Lone Ranger and go off on their own, we would be unable to lynch anyone the scum didn't want us to lynch. In point of fact,
even if the person you are voting is scum
this is true - with 5 scum, there's enough we could split our vote between scumbags and still not get anywhere.

In short, Lone Ranger votes like these rarely accomplish something, even if they happen to land on scum. So try to sell us, or try to work with us. Nero's posts legit aren't great, but something like this isn't really going to sell us. It's a weak vote, that puts no pressure on Nero (because he needs 10 more to get lynched) and doesn't really even have bullet points for him to address (and potentially make himself look scummy). It's effectively a non-post due to game size.

If this was a micro things like this can work, because there's so few people that just putting a vote out there is important, but in a game like this you aren't even 10% of a lynch wagon. So please, lets work together.
I was really hoping we wouldn't resort to cases this game, but

ask and thou shall receive my friend

I just ISO'ed nero again. The issue I see with nero are that A) he's appearing to look active without really contributing anything of value to advance gamestate; B) he likes to dip in discussions that don't produce meaninful results that could then leads to reads; C) instead opting to take a lot of neutral stances then backing away from the discussion. D) There's also the over the top self-awareness, the unnecessary abrasiveness in dismissing scum reads on him, and in general being consioucs and reactive when confronted with the slightest of pressure. (but this could be a playstyle/gimmick so less emphasis on this part)

A.
1. 1105 pre-emptive discrediting while responding accusations
2. responding to ausuka's TR on creature, but offering no original opinion
3. 1258 dismisses the tchill wagon but approaches it from a wierd side angle while responding to grey, offers an unimpressive lurker isn't always scum defense, no opinions on people on the wagon

B.
1. with regard to ausuka's town read on creature
2. with regard to tchill being scum, leaving him a spot to join the wagon later if needed

C.
there are lots of exampes but the one that stood out was in 1090 when he offered an opinion but didn't pursue it any further

D.
1. I was offput by his consious effort to shake off the early SRs on him
2. A major proponent is the back and forth with toranaga with the absurd amount of OMGUS and jumping to the conclusion that tora must be scum, examples of this would be in 1134 where he discredits for seemingly non reason, and in 1248 where he mentions that scum could be sheeping tora with wagons but takes no initiative to spot any names
3. self-awareness re: beeboy 1090
4. responses to cheeky, etc
How do you explain Ausuka's TR on Nero being in their top 5 and Hop calling Nero Town and Nero telling Hop his read on him is baseless unless they in a hood?
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Post Post #1517 (isolation #215) » Tue Apr 17, 2018 10:53 am

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In post 1456, Ausuka wrote:
In post 1344, Quick wrote:OK, so yesterday I was thinking Ausuka, cheeky, Hop, Nero, and beeboy were all in a hood.
Not sure if anyone's already said this, but... no.
OK, NVM my previous post.
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Post Post #1519 (isolation #216) » Tue Apr 17, 2018 11:03 am

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In post 1518, Nero Cain wrote:Do you like the case on me Quick?
I think you are probably Town.
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Post Post #1522 (isolation #217) » Tue Apr 17, 2018 11:22 am

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In post 1521, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 1519, Quick wrote:
In post 1518, Nero Cain wrote:Do you like the case on me Quick?
I think you are probably Town.
thoughts on Brig and Bin pls.
Brig prolly Town. Bins Prolly Scum.

Everything Bins does is horrible and I don't think that kind of atrocity comes from Town. I've played with Scum!Bins once and it's enough to know the more contrary to the rest of the game Bins is the more likely they are Scum.

Brig Town for his case on you even though it's probably wrong.
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Post Post #1523 (isolation #218) » Tue Apr 17, 2018 11:23 am

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In post 1500, Spiffeh wrote:
In post 892, Quick wrote:This is all their posts by page 5....

That is a lot of posts for not being able to keep up.

That is 13 posts in ~3 hours... They make up ~11% of the posts at that point in time...

So they COULD keep up earlier, but now all the sudden they can't

Thread has been open for 26 hours with 885 posts. That averages one post every ~1.7 min. For the first 5 pages the thread was averaging one post every ~1.6 per minute. Pretty much the same as it is now.

Ausuka has made on average a post every 48.75 min... And they are saying they can't keep up.
You need to stop
I have no idea what you mean because you didn't explain what I was doing "wrong"
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Post Post #1552 (isolation #219) » Tue Apr 17, 2018 1:51 pm

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In post 1551, GreyICE wrote:Nero Cain and Tchill are two fine people to be voting.
You're not reading what I say and you post THIS?
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Post Post #1555 (isolation #220) » Tue Apr 17, 2018 2:16 pm

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In post 1554, Nero Cain wrote:I mean maybe he was bussing Tchill and it threw me off but as soon as something else pops up he's all for it while trying to goad me into voting Tchill. No way this is town.
What do you think of Creatures point that Grey doesn't do TSTBS? It sounded like Creature was saying if Grey was Scummy he was Scum.
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Post Post #1557 (isolation #221) » Tue Apr 17, 2018 2:21 pm

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In post 1556, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 1555, Quick wrote:It sounded like Creature was saying if Grey was Scummy he was Scum.
I agree with it, lol
yeah but you agreed with me before when I said Grey was TSTBS. WTF?
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Post Post #1559 (isolation #222) » Tue Apr 17, 2018 2:24 pm

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In post 1558, Nero Cain wrote:I did? oh well, I changed my mind then.
Ya, ya did. How did you manage to fuck that up? I makes your read on Grey pretty ingenuine.
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Post Post #1563 (isolation #223) » Tue Apr 17, 2018 2:41 pm

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In post 1126, Quick wrote:
In post 1123, Hopkirk wrote:I feel at least a bit good about: Toranaga, MariaR, Beeboy, Ausuka, Cheeky, Quick, Brian, Nero, Brigand (a bit), Screen (a bit)

Zone of people I need to interact with: The Worst, Tchill, Panoptican UNVOTE: panoptican, Bins, Spiffeh

Hive of potential scum and villany: Thor665, Gorkington, GreyIce, Centipede
I feel like Grey is TSTBS. He's doing some really REALLY funky stuff and that usually comes from Town.
In post 1129, Nero Cain wrote:Agree with Quick about Grey

Agree with Hop on Thor.
Sorry Nero, I have to at least vote you for this.

VOTE: Nero
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Post Post #1568 (isolation #224) » Tue Apr 17, 2018 2:45 pm

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In post 1567, Nero Cain wrote:I mean fuck, we had scum dead to rights in Quick and I let him go.
That is a really really lazy OMGUS read Nero.
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Post Post #1572 (isolation #225) » Tue Apr 17, 2018 2:54 pm

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@Nero,

I changed my read on Grey after I saw what Creature said about Grey. I have no meta on Grey at all. Do you?
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Post Post #1576 (isolation #226) » Tue Apr 17, 2018 2:59 pm

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In post 1570, Nero Cain wrote:I'm having a hard time seeing a Quick town go "Nero is scummy for agreeing with me on page 46 and then developing a scum read 10 pages later"

If he thinks I'm scum he doesn't apologize for voting me. lol
That's not my case on you.

My case on you is that you are agree with two different PoV that are opposite to each for a read on player and now only SRing people because they find you Sus. And agreeing with people's PoV on someone isn't the same thing as changing your read on someone due to reevaluating them.
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Post Post #1578 (isolation #227) » Tue Apr 17, 2018 3:02 pm

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In post 1577, Nero Cain wrote:you do know that I was scum reading GI b4 he ever voted me right?
Will have to go back and look at that.
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Post Post #1586 (isolation #228) » Tue Apr 17, 2018 3:17 pm

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In post 1497, Nero Cain wrote:I'm also hard scumreading GreyIce (1284)
In post 1284, Nero Cain wrote:or maybe I'm right and the Sith that deals in absolutes (Grey) is sheeping a horrible wagon.
Nero, man, this doesn't look like a hard SR at all. This looks like a "grey could be Scum but not really sure on it" Why because of this:
or maybe
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Post Post #1588 (isolation #229) » Tue Apr 17, 2018 3:18 pm

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In post 1584, Creature wrote:Oh right, just voted Nero because idk why Tchill was a wagon
How strong is your Gork read Creature?
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Post Post #1589 (isolation #230) » Tue Apr 17, 2018 3:19 pm

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In post 1587, Gorkington wrote:like, town nero doesnt give a shit, is a stubborn butt and gets ridiculously overconfident about reads for reasoning that looks ridiculous in a way that he just doesnt as scum.
its literally night and day.
Yeah, That's my Town meta of Nero as well, but I've never seen him as Scum. I might poke around that game you linked.
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Post Post #1597 (isolation #231) » Tue Apr 17, 2018 3:25 pm

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In post 1591, Gorkington wrote:youll probably townbin him if you do.
real folk blues reboot is also a good bit of homework for nero's scumgame:
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Agree. Looked at his ISO from the previous game. If Nero is making good posts and has a IDGAF attitude, he's likely Town.
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Post Post #1598 (isolation #232) » Tue Apr 17, 2018 3:26 pm

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Can someone answer why Thor spent so much time pushing Screen even though he is still on his RVS vote?
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Post Post #1601 (isolation #233) » Tue Apr 17, 2018 3:29 pm

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UNVOTE:
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Post Post #1602 (isolation #234) » Tue Apr 17, 2018 3:29 pm

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In post 1600, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 1597, Quick wrote:
In post 1591, Gorkington wrote:youll probably townbin him if you do.
real folk blues reboot is also a good bit of homework for nero's scumgame:
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Agree. Looked at his ISO from the previous game. If Nero is making good posts and has a IDGAF attitude, he's likely Town.
look at this guy talking out of both sides of his mouth.
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Post Post #1604 (isolation #235) » Tue Apr 17, 2018 3:31 pm

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In post 1603, Nero Cain wrote:
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LOL. What are you doing?
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Post Post #1607 (isolation #236) » Tue Apr 17, 2018 3:33 pm

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In post 1605, Spiffeh wrote:
In post 1378, GreyICE wrote:just grab each other's cocks and stroke until the deadline rolls around?
Have you not played mafia before?
Hey, Spiffeh, I still want an answer on what I was doing wrong with my time case on Ausuka.
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Post Post #1609 (isolation #237) » Tue Apr 17, 2018 3:36 pm

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In post 1608, Spiffeh wrote:@Gork I'm almost done my catchup and spoiler alert: I'll be voting for him!

Quick, you're not doing anything wrong. Ausuka is doing something wrong.
I don't get you quoting that case I made and bing like "stop" could you PLEASE explain that?
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Post Post #1613 (isolation #238) » Tue Apr 17, 2018 3:39 pm

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In post 1611, Gorkington wrote:dont worry mulch i can do the flips for you
*clears throat*

Man, and you were the person who made the point about D1's not ending early? This assumes your comment here is serious sarcastic and I think it is.
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Post Post #1614 (isolation #239) » Tue Apr 17, 2018 3:40 pm

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In post 1612, Spiffeh wrote:Oh because that was stupid

People's schedules change, just because Ausuka was able to keep up early on doesn't mean she's lying about being able to keep up 50 pages later
OK, yeah, that makes sense with how people don't like my post count.
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Post Post #1619 (isolation #240) » Tue Apr 17, 2018 3:49 pm

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In post 1616, Gorkington wrote:if tchill is actively lurking out this cycle then i might be okay with wrapping things up earlier?

i wouldnt want a lynch before he gets into prod territory but if he starts feigning posting again with a prod dodge when hes under pressure instead of providing content or replacing out then im not gonna dig my heels just for the sake of running the clock in case something happens.

my mindset has been "use all of the time in a cycle" for forever, but the more i play, the more i kind of feel like its asking for a more dramatic and unpleasant game. i feel like especially with dragging things out with large themes, people get antsy, anxious and annoyed and eventually the fighting gets shittier and shittier until people say garbage that they regret.

i also think forcing people to give a big YES or NO to a wagon is super useful information to go back on, so forcing this kind of decision earlier rather than later when theres a deadline people can use as an excuse is a pretty solid way of focusing the content of the game in a useful/meaningful way.

p-edit: ya i was sad about that too.
Fair. It's was more of an ad hoc as a joke anyways.

Yeah, Tora has game.
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Post Post #1621 (isolation #241) » Tue Apr 17, 2018 3:50 pm

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In post 1618, Gorkington wrote:and i mean frankly, if centipede has a "guilty" and theyre being this inactive i really dont see the point in holding it back.
so, i would probably advocate for that being outted sooner if theyre just sitting on it doing nothing.
The only reason I can see for Cent playing this way is "I can solvez dis game by D2"
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Post Post #1622 (isolation #242) » Tue Apr 17, 2018 3:50 pm

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In post 1620, Gorkington wrote:who will call people potatoes now?
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Post Post #1625 (isolation #243) » Tue Apr 17, 2018 3:51 pm

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In post 1623, Nero Cain wrote:Who r tchill buddies then?
IDK but if he is Scum, he's probably getting bussed.
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Post Post #1628 (isolation #244) » Tue Apr 17, 2018 3:53 pm

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In post 1624, Centipede Syndrome wrote:
In post 1618, Gorkington wrote:and i mean frankly, if centipede has a "guilty" and theyre being this inactive i really dont see the point in holding it back.
so, i would probably advocate for that being outted sooner if theyre just sitting on it doing nothing.
i have exams, sorry.

it's Maria. she's scum. go nuts.
I don't believe you have a guilty :(
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Post Post #1645 (isolation #245) » Tue Apr 17, 2018 4:19 pm

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In post 1267, Panopticon wrote:
In post 1218, Tchill13 wrote:I can assure you I'll never be scum caught off of 3 posts lol
I mean, I wanna lynch it just for this kinda thing lol
anyone who ends a post with lol is scum in my book lol

VOTE: Tchill13 lol

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This is bad
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In post 977, Hopkirk wrote:Ausuka HI. Why am I town.
your tone is very towny, and you're playing like you did in floral.

pedit: ok I like that!
VOTE: tchill13
This is bad.
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Post Post #1646 (isolation #246) » Tue Apr 17, 2018 4:22 pm

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In post 1635, northsidegal wrote:
Votecount 1.33

Tchill13(8)
~ (175), (69), (66), (78), (67), (100), (60), (54)

Nero Cain(3)
~ (36), (75), (113)
Quick(2)
~ (38), (102)
Centipede Syndrome(2)
~ (19), (33)
Hopkirk(1)
~ (39)
Ausuka(1)
~ (29)


Not Voting (6): Town Gunner(0), Mafia Gunner(0), (93), (245), The Worst(4), (93)

With 21 alive it takes 11 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2018-04-25 12:53:00)
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Post Post #1669 (isolation #247) » Tue Apr 17, 2018 4:50 pm

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In post 1663, Spiffeh wrote:Ok I read over the last 10 pages more carefully and have come to the conclusion that Nero Cain is obviously town, especially comparing it to the scum games Gorkington linked.
In post 1664, Centipede Syndrome wrote:i don't have access to the program. i don't even think Elli used it here. i can ask him but i don't think he did.

as for things not being 100% possible... i mean. obviously. Elli's accuracy is high enough that if he says someone is 100% scum as opposed to "maybe scum" i know he's sure.

pedit: oh right, Nero's also town. thanks for reminding me.
What do you both think of this post:
In post 324, Hopkirk wrote:
In post 308, Nero Cain wrote:I didn't really like your jokey . Seems uncharacteristic for you.
In post 180, Hopkirk wrote:Can you list those trolls? Serious question.
this seems like a useless filler question and I don't see town asking this.
In post 247, Hopkirk wrote:Quick Quick, give me three people you townread.
Also still interested in how you read the game like you said you did.
this felt like the kind of "throw gas on a fire" post that scum makes to fuel a wagon.
Nero can be town.
I was assuming I was in his 'trolling/joking' group and wondered why he didn't mention anything. Based on the one game I played with him, that's the impression I thought he had od me, even if it's not accurate. Not liking the joke explains well.

Should be easy to find town me opening with bad jokes.

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Post Post #1671 (isolation #248) » Tue Apr 17, 2018 4:52 pm

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In post 1670, Centipede Syndrome wrote:i have very few feelings re: that post. what's interesting to you?
How early the TR on nero came in before his meta way brought up at all.
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Post Post #1675 (isolation #249) » Tue Apr 17, 2018 5:02 pm

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In post 1672, Nero Cain wrote:You KNEW my meta and you STILL scum read me. How is this any diffrent than what you were supposedly scum reading me for?
If this is in response to me...

I've never seen you as Scum.
In post 1673, Centipede Syndrome wrote:Quick: assuming Nero is town, from a scum Hopkirk pov i'd call it an attempt at buddying/getting Nero to ease up on the scumread. but it could also be a genuine opinion from town Hopkirk.
i mean, players are allowed to townread Nero for things besides meta. is it that the read is too early in general?

pedit: hahaha. i don't know why that post is so funny. i should really fill in the gaps of what i've read re: when Quick's read on Nero changed.
Yeah.. that it was so early. That's part of what contributed to me thinking about the hood idea with the people in it that I mentioned earlier with Nero and Hop being in Ausuka's top 5 TRs.
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Post Post #1681 (isolation #250) » Tue Apr 17, 2018 5:10 pm

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In post 1678, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 1675, Quick wrote:I've never seen you as Scum.
I don't think this matters.
I tend to really overestimate a players Scum game who I think have a good Town game if I haven't seen their Scum game before *shrug*
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Post Post #1683 (isolation #251) » Tue Apr 17, 2018 5:13 pm

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In post 1682, Tchill13 wrote:yeah im just hopping in right here. I was scared to post because of how behind i am. I don't care anymore. I'm starting from here. sorry.
In post 1676, Tchill13 wrote:VOTE: ausuka
Where is this vote coming from then?
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Post Post #1694 (isolation #252) » Tue Apr 17, 2018 5:25 pm

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In post 1685, Centipede Syndrome wrote:(by the way, i agree with your signature, though i suspect the original context was sarcastic.)
My sig isn't sarcastic at all. I suck at solving because I am alway seeing things 10 different ways.
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Post Post #1830 (isolation #253) » Wed Apr 18, 2018 7:59 am

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In post 1770, Gorkington wrote:i would be super happy if someone could pull some meta for tchill when hes getting pushed as town and scum.
i know team mafia whiteflag is an easy example of town him getting put into the gallows pretty early on,
so would be pretty interested in seeing anyone else's assessment of whether his performance here looks like an extension of and/or similiar to his play here.
This looks like Town Chill kinda but this is not a hard read. He has a reasonably good Scum game (that I have seen twice). As Scum he tends to push things that are easy to push, not seeing that here. Also, as Scum he makes very convenient stances based on how people are reading him.. If someone is TRing him, he will probably TR them for example and his read change depending on other people's reads when he is Scum.

All that said (and I was in the game he was in in Team Mafia) I don't think his push on Ausuka is very AI but if it is, it's Townie. Plus just before this he misunderstood what Ausuka was saying about him which I cannot see him doing as Scum as often. So I am more inclined to think Chill is Town here.
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Post Post #1924 (isolation #254) » Wed Apr 18, 2018 10:21 am

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I feel very weird about the Chill wagon...

It grew with like zero reasoning and Chill seems sorta in his Town meta... But then he disappeared and it's making me feel weird.
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Post Post #1951 (isolation #255) » Wed Apr 18, 2018 2:00 pm

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The chill wagon feels gross tbqh.

why are you not looking at the horrible reasons for the chill wagon @Thor?
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Post Post #1978 (isolation #256) » Wed Apr 18, 2018 3:14 pm

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In post 1975, CheekyTeeky wrote:
In post 1965, Brian Skies wrote:What are the choices? I'm like 6 pages behind.
The choices are between MariaR and Centipede.

Look, Centipede (Elli) called a guilty on MariaR. Imo this guilty is 100% legitimate because I've seen the results first hand in Team Mafia. I see no reason for scum!CS to do this as it would be suicidal if fake and the wagon on MariaR went through. Today we should be lynching in those two.
It would be suicidal? This sounds like someone who doesn't have much experience with this game or is Scum.
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Post Post #1987 (isolation #257) » Wed Apr 18, 2018 3:19 pm

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In post 1984, CheekyTeeky wrote:
In post 1978, Quick wrote:
In post 1975, CheekyTeeky wrote:
In post 1965, Brian Skies wrote:What are the choices? I'm like 6 pages behind.
The choices are between MariaR and Centipede.

Look, Centipede (Elli) called a guilty on MariaR. Imo this guilty is 100% legitimate because I've seen the results first hand in Team Mafia. I see no reason for scum!CS to do this as it would be suicidal if fake and the wagon on MariaR went through. Today we should be lynching in those two.
It would be suicidal? This sounds like someone who doesn't have much experience with this game or is Scum.
I would get into a debate but we cannot afford to be further distracted by you. If you disagree feel free to vote CS.

Pedit I will not scumread anything except resistance to either of these two wagons.
Scum lynch Townies they are "Sure" are Scum all the time... Why do you not see this?
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Post Post #1991 (isolation #258) » Wed Apr 18, 2018 3:28 pm

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In post 1990, Centipede Syndrome wrote:TOWN
19. Centipede Syndrome (Ellibereth+Chara)
18. Creature
9. Quick
10. Gorkington
3. Beeboy
1. randomidget
8. Hopkirk
5. Bins
21. Nero Cain
7. CheekyTeeky

SCUM
2. MariaR

PEOPLE LEFT
4. Thor665
6. Ausuka
11. GreyICE
12. Panopticon (Varsoon and Tn5421)
13. The Worst
14. Srceenplay
15. Spiffeh
16. Brigand Vvulf
17. Tchill13
20. Brian Skies

we're getting there
I don't believe for a second your algorithm puts creature that high as Town. smh.
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In post 1993, Centipede Syndrome wrote:quick
a 2 year old who can't use a keyboard can read creature
Yup but I don't think an algorithm factors in meta. So no reason why Creature is that high.
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In post 1995, Centipede Syndrome wrote:
In post 1994, Quick wrote:
In post 1993, Centipede Syndrome wrote:quick
a 2 year old who can't use a keyboard can read creature
Yup but I don't think an algorithm factors in meta. So no reason why Creature is that high.
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an algorithm only looks at meta dude
In post 1997, Centipede Syndrome wrote:or any that i can imagine working at all
I don't believe in the algorithm.
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VOTE: Thor

Probably not going to convince anyone to vote here but I feel like he's not really been a big impact this game and it feels like he is pushing stuff that is really easy, iunno.
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Post Post #2023 (isolation #262) » Wed Apr 18, 2018 4:35 pm

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In post 2015, Nero Cain wrote:then why even vote?
Because I am a man of principle.
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Post Post #2037 (isolation #263) » Wed Apr 18, 2018 4:45 pm

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In post 2027, Centipede Syndrome wrote:quick is town.

the worst is posting elsewhere and not here go there next
Can confirm.
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Post Post #2112 (isolation #264) » Thu Apr 19, 2018 5:22 am

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In post 2110, Srceenplay wrote:
In post 1361, Quick wrote:
In post 1357, Gorkington wrote:can you talk about why youre taking stances on the wagon instead of the player?
I'm not taking a stance on the wagon. Whether Chill flips Town or Scum here you look bad both ways. If Chill is Town, it's opportunistic, if he is Scum, it's a buss without reasoning attached.
Shade throwing calling someone. Damned if they do. Damned if they don’t approach.
Yeah, I am Pmuch TRing Gork because of that interaction.. want to try that again?
In post 2110, Srceenplay wrote:
In post 1375, Quick wrote:
In post 1372, Gorkington wrote:i said "choo choo". its basically an implication of "this is wagoning for the sake of the wagon". the follow-up question i had for tchill was asking for a timeline on his reads.

p-edit: on d1?
choochoo is hardly a reason to vote someone. You can't be serious here.

Yeah, happens a lot regardless of what day it is.
Town is stupid.
Town is stupid sounds like they are gloating talking about someone else.
Or, you know, I have played enough games of Mafia to know Town usually does stupid things. Take your pick
In post 2110, Srceenplay wrote:
In post 1379, Quick wrote:
In post 1374, GreyICE wrote:Hell yeah. I've had a game where I voted three people on day 1 and my vote never left scum.

If you think it's impossible to have good reads on day 1 you might just be bad.
Could you please answer the question I directed at you? I'll repeat: do you plan on continuing the charade that you don't know your role or are you going to admit you knew your role all along? And I not even necessarily SRing you for that, so just be honest, kay?
Shading again but not scum reading.
Since when is Scumhunting Shading?
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Post Post #2120 (isolation #265) » Thu Apr 19, 2018 6:18 am

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In post 2119, Bins wrote:im like 66.7% sure ausuka is scum
Oh look you activated my trap card:

People who give BS numbers are usually Scum.
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Post Post #2122 (isolation #266) » Thu Apr 19, 2018 6:19 am

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In post 2121, Bins wrote:u know its a joke right
Yeah, I can see you saying this a Scum.
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Post Post #2133 (isolation #267) » Thu Apr 19, 2018 6:28 am

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In post 2124, Bins wrote:quick is 23.4% capable of understanding a joke
25.8% but close enough.
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Post Post #2137 (isolation #268) » Thu Apr 19, 2018 6:35 am

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In post 2127, Srceenplay wrote:
In post 2112, Quick wrote:Yeah, I am Pmuch TRing Gork because of that interaction.. want to try that again?

Or, you know, I have played enough games of Mafia to know Town usually does stupid things. Take your pick

Since when is Scumhunting Shading?
1) It didn’t look like a town read to me.
2) You said Town. That feels like a separation from you. When I’m think town I think us or we.
3) It doesn’t look like scum hunting. Just fluff. Why say it’s nothibg to scum read for? It looked like an open ended question that you didn’t care for the answer.
It wasn't really a TR but it was Def me reconsidering that they could be Town and not Scum.

If you are resorting to needling someone on word choice to say they are Scum, you should probably rethink your read on that person.

I know Grey knows what role they are. I was trying to get to the bottom of why they were faking that they didn't know they role. I can see it as either Town or Scum motivated. If Town, it can for reactions, if Scum it can be that they are doing it for show. They never answered and they are not going to answer so that's the only reason I am talking about it now and I am not going to press them on it because they have openly admitted they are completely ignoring me which is NAI.
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Post Post #2200 (isolation #269) » Thu Apr 19, 2018 10:18 am

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In post 2167, Bins wrote:I'm really townreading the "I didn't read my PM GO TO THE MOD IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM I'M FINE TO BREAK THE RULES" thing.
Except they actually know what their role is so I have no idea why you are TRing that.
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Post Post #2207 (isolation #270) » Thu Apr 19, 2018 10:22 am

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In post 2182, GreyICE wrote:Like Hopkirk thinks I need gambits to avoid the lynch day 1. If anything I need gambits to avoid the fucking night kill N1, I've been killed a hell of a lot more times N1 than I'll ever be lynched on day 1. Why? Because I'm a good player, and he's not.

I got my role PM in a spoiler. I responded with a joke "I think I'll avoid spoilers". The mod accepted it. There's no more or less to it. He flipped out, because he's a fucking scumfuck and it's something easy to flip out over.

All he's done since then is scumplain. I'm actually sad other people won't lynch him with me, but apparently useless shit from Elli is worth more than my actual reads.
Well, I think playing without knowing your role is unethical. I normally think it takes a pattern of behavior in order to PL but I think this is a special case.

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Post Post #2231 (isolation #271) » Thu Apr 19, 2018 11:20 am

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Spoiler: Panopticon
In post 2225, Panopticon wrote:
In post 2073, Gorkington wrote:
In post 1823, Gorkington wrote:actually i might be dumb, he might just be saying both are scum for different reasons.
context of previous post kind of makes that more likely.

his confidence level does not match his reasoning though.
>.>
Panopticon wrote:Because it's a blatant misrep
:V
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i also think its pretty fucking hot garbage that youre now coming back to respond to the case -
without actually responding to it at all, by just trying to discredit it with a weird roundabout "oh well his one reason is shit and wrong and i never engaged him on it to explain why its wrong so hes null i guess".
literally the worst way you could have responded to me scumreading you.
Panopticon wrote:The reasons for most of my reads are weak because most of my reads are weak.



Petit obviously that was sarcasm as I'm now voting someone else
In post 1489, Panopticon wrote:No. tchill is today's wagon, no deviation allowed, absent a literal scum claim.
:neutral:
youre really walking this back as sarcasm? because it really does not read that way at all.

vote: panopticon

i want this.
i want this in my fucking bones.
theres literally nothing tn is doing thats town.

and i have to be honest, like, i wouldnt be doing my due diligence here if i just flat out trusted elli [and i kind of feel like he should also be seeing panopticon as an obvious buddy option here/it makes me nervous that he doesnt] and if im being even more honest, i was kind of putting a voice in a corner at the back of my mind that was saying that i cant really confidently read her in general.

most of tn's meta sprawls back a few years so theres some level of doubt to be had, but man it just looks so much like this is his scumgame rather than his towngame:
viewtopic.php?f=52&t=65370 [unsigned posts are him]
viewtopic.php?f=50&t=66095

and i think the best reason i can give is that scumtn talks at people when hes scumreading them.
and towntn just tries to get them lynched.

tn is just talking at people in this game.
hes not trying to sort people.
theres nothing genuine about anything hes doing.

theres nothing genuine about doubtcasting someone because theyre scumreading something your hydra partner did because you didnt post it.
theres nothing genuine about anything hes pushed on tchill.
and theres especially nothing genuine about him trying to walk back his read there as not being strong when hes indicated anything but the contrary.

the bonus here is that elli can still be right and pan can still be scum because pan's reaction to elli's program is really really fucking scummy if maria is scum.

theres also some part of me that doesnt like that a maria wagon based entirely on elli's rep and cheeky saying "UR SCUM IF U DONT" basically gives all of these players an excuse to jump on the wagon without actually putting anything behind their vote, which makes the wagon especially hard to hold anyone accountable to that isnt elli on d2 if it flips town.
"i also think its pretty fucking hot garbage that youre now coming back to respond to the case -"

I'm gonna be honest, I lost it in the sea of bullshit spam. Sorry.

"without actually responding to it at all, by just trying to discredit it with a weird roundabout "oh well his one reason is shit and wrong and i never engaged him on it to explain why its wrong so hes null i guess"."
It would be more accurate to say that only one of your points towards my head specifically had any relevance; the rest were aimed at my other head.

"literally the worst way you could have responded to me scumreading you."
And if I were scum, I might give a shit.

":V
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Same.

"youre really walking this back as sarcasm? because it really does not read that way at all."

Sure, I say things I don't mean at all, like literally any words out of my mouth directed to a customer at work.

"theres literally nothing tn is doing thats town."

Ok.

"and i have to be honest, like, i wouldnt be doing my due diligence here if i just flat out trusted elli [and i kind of feel like he should also be seeing panopticon as an obvious buddy option here/it makes me nervous that he doesnt] and if im being even more honest, i was kind of putting a voice in a corner at the back of my mind that was saying that i cant really confidently read her in general.

most of tn's meta sprawls back a few years so theres some level of doubt to be had, but man it just looks so much like this is his scumgame rather than his towngame:
viewtopic.php?f=52&t=65370 [unsigned posts are him]
viewtopic.php?f=50&t=66095

and i think the best reason i can give is that scumtn talks at people when hes scumreading them.
and towntn just tries to get them lynched.

tn is just talking at people in this game.
hes not trying to sort people.
theres nothing genuine about anything hes doing."

This is a fair point and all, but I'm done giving a shit on day fucking one of a huge game. There will be plenty of time later. Like I said earlier, it's what burnt me out of playing mafia for a while. So I'm trying something new.
Also, something you didn't touch on, I rolled scum a very disproportionate amount of times so my town game is actually really weak. I can only think of a handful of times I've actually caught scum without the assistance of power roles.
(further, my wiki has some offsite games linked too, but i haven't updated it in a while)

"theres nothing genuine about doubtcasting someone because theyre scumreading something your hydra partner did because you didnt post it."
There's also nothing genuine about attributing one player's play to another, hydra or not.

"theres nothing genuine about anything hes pushed on tchill."
Really? So I don't push policy lynches day one? And you claim to have ISO'd me?
REALLY?

(policy: lurk; policy: spam; policy: blatant antitown; policy: dumbtelling)


"and theres especially nothing genuine about him trying to walk back his read there as not being strong when hes indicated anything but the contrary."
My gut reads aren't good.

"the bonus here is that elli can still be right and pan can still be scum because pan's reaction to elli's program is really really fucking scummy if maria is scum."
My reaction to that has nothing to do with the game, I'd have attacked it as I had if it were posted in MD.

"theres also some part of me that doesnt like that a maria wagon based entirely on elli's rep and cheeky saying "UR SCUM IF U DONT" basically gives all of these players an excuse to jump on the wagon without actually putting anything behind their vote, which makes the wagon especially hard to hold anyone accountable to that isnt elli on d2 if it flips town."

"That said, with my hands off the game meta wheel, the meta-less stuff you see (and you expect me) to see as scummy, I quite frankly don't because of some perspective on how tn thinks/acts OUTSIDE of games. That's all I really want to say on the matter here but I know there are people in this game who can corrobate with regards to that."

Read: bullheadedly charging into every obstacle available, regardless of placement.
In post 2077, Gorkington wrote:it was admittedly a pretty lazy meta job.
i just really really dont feel like hes town
q.q

zzzzzzzzz
vote: maria
I would complain, but I put the same effort into my reads.
In post 2114, Bins wrote:im actually starting to feel slightly better about pano? i think

idk

i dont have a good enough reason to fight that, but if it's been tn i actually get decent vibes rereading their ISO
wait wut

BINS WUT R U DOIN
BINS STAHHHP

You can't just......
:b:ownread
me like this
In post 2187, Hopkirk wrote:Why aren't you voting Panoptican? He needs more votes.
Because I'm not scum? Believe it or not.
In post 2199, Panopticon wrote:The current case on me is a scum case, as I am town.
It's that easy.

-ObserVed
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VARSOON NO
STOP
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~tn5421


This post is like twice as long as it needs to be and not because they went overboard defending themselves but because they artificially made the post look longer than it really was. That's a soft Scum tell.
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Post Post #2235 (isolation #272) » Thu Apr 19, 2018 11:27 am

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In post 2233, Tchill13 wrote:the fact grey pushed me as soon as i hopped back on and asked who he was voting at the time to vote with him is all you need to know
Man, I didn't see it before, but I can totally see the SRs on you now. :(
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Post Post #2236 (isolation #273) » Thu Apr 19, 2018 11:30 am

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In post 2234, the worst wrote:Ew

Is grey/pineapple viable?
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Post Post #2242 (isolation #274) » Thu Apr 19, 2018 11:39 am

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In post 2240, Creature wrote:Thor665 (might need to recheck)
Highly suggest you do. Thor doesn't have that good of a Scum game, he's just a logic box.
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Post Post #2247 (isolation #275) » Thu Apr 19, 2018 11:54 am

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In post 2245, Panopticon wrote:
In post 2230, the worst wrote:Ty for the scumclaim though [: VOTE: pineappleicon
In post 2243, the worst wrote:That's a fucking good d1 dontlynchpool

I'll analyse on catchup. Also want tchill's response to my question!
In post 2246, Panopticon wrote:
In post 2240, Creature wrote:Quick
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Panopticon

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Thor665 (might need to recheck)
randomidget
That is not at all AI for Duck.
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Post Post #2254 (isolation #276) » Thu Apr 19, 2018 12:05 pm

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In post 2248, Nero Cain wrote:Whats all happening in your scum PT, Quick?
There's no day talk.... LOL.
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Post Post #2257 (isolation #277) » Thu Apr 19, 2018 12:10 pm

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In post 2255, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 2254, Quick wrote:
In post 2248, Nero Cain wrote:Whats all happening in your scum PT, Quick?
There's no day talk.... LOL.
how would you know unless you are scum?
LOL... because I am Scum obviously.
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Post Post #2260 (isolation #278) » Thu Apr 19, 2018 12:11 pm

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In post 2258, GreyICE wrote:
Vote Quick


I'm fine with this my dudes.
In post 2259, Nero Cain wrote:im ok.


vote:Quick
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Post Post #2285 (isolation #279) » Thu Apr 19, 2018 1:28 pm

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In post 2269, Tchill13 wrote:100 page day 1 and we're gonna lynch a "scum slip"

Laughable.
Here is a man who knows my stance on slips.
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Post Post #2289 (isolation #280) » Thu Apr 19, 2018 1:30 pm

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In post 2281, CheekyTeeky wrote:LOL even Quick's jokes make no sense.
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Post Post #2303 (isolation #281) » Thu Apr 19, 2018 1:35 pm

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In post 2291, CheekyTeeky wrote:I feel like Nero should've known it was a joke seeing as he pushed him for a joke "quick what's going on in the scum pt" also didn't like that he abandoned his tunnel for it on the same page.
Naw, Nero's never seen me do that type of thing before. He's still Town.
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Post Post #2369 (isolation #282) » Thu Apr 19, 2018 2:19 pm

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In post 2334, Creature wrote:Uh, sama lamaa duma lamaa
You assuming I'm a human
What I gotta do to get it through to you
I'm superhuman
Innovative and I'm made of rubber
So that anything you saying
Ricocheting off of me
And it'll glue to you
I'm never stating
More than never demonstrating
How to give a motherfuckin' audience
A feeling like it's levitating
Never fading
And I know that the haters are forever waiting
For the day that they can say I fell off
They'd be celebrating
'Cause I know the way to get 'em motivated
I make elevating posting, you make elevator posting
Oh, he's too mainstream
Well, that's what they do
When they get jealous, they confuse it
In post 2335, Creature wrote:VOTE: Srceenplay
These two posts back to back gave me a big belly laugh.
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Post Post #2425 (isolation #283) » Fri Apr 20, 2018 4:32 am

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In post 2424, Spiffeh wrote:hmmm maybe GreyICE isn't town
Say more about this. I will admit that Grey is a very hard read for me atm.
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Post Post #2429 (isolation #284) » Fri Apr 20, 2018 5:06 am

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VOTE: Pan
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Post Post #2432 (isolation #285) » Fri Apr 20, 2018 5:19 am

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In post 2431, Spiffeh wrote:2. The stated anti-claim mechanic from the rules makes it really optimal for scum to soft claim in the manner Maria is because no one can really force her to claim after hinting at being a power role. Town power roles should be holding that shit to their chest as long as they can but she pretty much immediately softs at the slightest bit of pressure earlier on.
That's NAI.. For shame.
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Post Post #2435 (isolation #286) » Fri Apr 20, 2018 5:36 am

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I'm not voting Maria without an actual case on them, I don't think.
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Post Post #2459 (isolation #287) » Fri Apr 20, 2018 5:56 am

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In post 2457, Gorkington wrote:
In post 2439, Gorkington wrote:hello my name is maria and i have a strong power role that can apparently clear people. im going to tell people im using it. instead of just using it.

the entire fiasco of making a big deal of her getting a result is super unnecessary as town and paints a target on herself that i doubt she would actually want to have as town with a role like that when shes insinuated that she needs to make it until d2.
id love for someone to convince me why im wrong on this.
or we can keep doing the "maria is town for some reason" game because thats fun.
I don't think Maria has done anything AI...
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Post Post #2464 (isolation #288) » Fri Apr 20, 2018 6:09 am

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[quote="In post 2461, Gorkingtonp-edit: quick.
im at my limit for people's gutreads.
if you tell me someone is town or scum for basically no reason again im just ignoring you the rest of today.[/quote]

Not my problem if you don't ask.
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In post 2464, Quick wrote:
In post 2461, Gorkington wrote:-edit: quick.
im at my limit for people's gutreads.
if you tell me someone is town or scum for basically no reason again im just ignoring you the rest of today.
Not my problem if you don't ask.
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Post Post #2473 (isolation #290) » Fri Apr 20, 2018 6:31 am

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In post 2471, Spiffeh wrote:and scummy
It's really not...
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Post Post #2492 (isolation #291) » Fri Apr 20, 2018 7:04 am

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In post 2480, Brigand Vvulf wrote:Yeah ok i think this is the lynch today

VOTE: mariar
Feels like a mislynch with shit like this happening.
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Post Post #2494 (isolation #292) » Fri Apr 20, 2018 7:07 am

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In post 2493, Gorkington wrote:is brigand scum?
Not my point at all.
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Post Post #2497 (isolation #293) » Fri Apr 20, 2018 7:09 am

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In post 2496, Gorkington wrote:
In post 2428, Tchill13 wrote:
In post 2413, Hopkirk wrote:VOTE: Panoptican
In post 2414, Hopkirk wrote:Serious vote. We're lynching here today.
VOTE: panoptican
In post 2429, Quick wrote:VOTE: Pan
why are these better than brig's vote?
why did you vote alongside them if you think naked votes like that are troubling?
I talked about Pan being Scum early. Can only speak for myself.
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Post Post #2500 (isolation #294) » Fri Apr 20, 2018 7:23 am

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In post 2499, Gorkington wrote:could poke at what aspects of the reasons brig likes/wants to sheep and then try to pull them apart if you think that maria isnt the best lynch instead of just saying that we shouldnt do it? you get a chance to pull apart brig's mindset here if you do and a chance to derail momentum on maria if its genuinely a bad lynch for right now.

otherwise we're just inflating the postcount with more "this person is a bad lynch!" "this person is a good lynch!" conversation, which is honestly just pretty tedious and pointless.
im not going to unvote maria because you point at votes on maria that you think are bad.
maria's play stands regardless of what other people do with it.
you should be attacking why things with maria are NAI rather than just telling us that they are.
Yeah. I don't like the wagon on maria because reasons for being there are damn near non-existent. When you have a wagon that has this many people on it with as few reasons that have been given as this one, you know it's a shitty wagon and is probably on Town.
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Post Post #2504 (isolation #295) » Fri Apr 20, 2018 7:26 am

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In post 2501, Gorkington wrote:except i gave reasons and you ignored them to just tell me that maria is nai. so. no?
I still feel pretty much everything Maria has done is NAI. We can find a better lynch than that.
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Post Post #2507 (isolation #296) » Fri Apr 20, 2018 7:28 am

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In post 2505, Brigand Vvulf wrote:would've been better to let quick come to that realization himself

but im just sheeping centipede at this point
As is pretty much everyone else on that wagon. Otherwise, the reasons for being there are extremely convenient.
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Post Post #2514 (isolation #297) » Fri Apr 20, 2018 7:36 am

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In post 2508, Gorkington wrote:
In post 2504, Quick wrote:
In post 2501, Gorkington wrote:except i gave reasons and you ignored them to just tell me that maria is nai. so. no?
I still feel pretty much everything Maria has done is NAI. We can find a better lynch than that.
im telling you this one more time. so you have literally no excuse if you ignore it again and i will feel justified in just ignoring what you have to say. if you dont directly address the internal logic and just say that something is NAI. and thats all you say. and you dont explain why people are wrong. then you are not doing anything. i really dont care about what you feel. you arent an authority on lynching people that gets people to listen to you just because you feel something. if you want maria lynch to not happen you have to actually explain why other lynches are better or explain why the reasons that people think she is scummy are wrong and are just nai. every post you make that isnt doing that might as well be literally blank but it is accomplishing the same level of progress within the game.
Repeat your reasons for SRing Maria and I will try and debunk it because I think they are made up just because you want to sheep Elli.
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Post Post #2519 (isolation #298) » Fri Apr 20, 2018 7:42 am

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In post 2517, Gorkington wrote:
In post 2457, Gorkington wrote:
In post 2439, Gorkington wrote:hello my name is maria and i have a strong power role that can apparently clear people. im going to tell people im using it. instead of just using it.

the entire fiasco of making a big deal of her getting a result is super unnecessary as town and paints a target on herself that i doubt she would actually want to have as town with a role like that when shes insinuated that she needs to make it until d2.
i feel like there are other points that spiff has made that youve also been completely ignoring?
like, i dont get why youre very clearly intentionally avoiding actually directly debunking aspects of the case instead of just spamming the game telling people to stop voting her.
are you just annoyed that it feels like people are sheeping elli and this is an ego thing? or what?
That's one fucking reason and it's not a good one considering Maria could actually be a PR here. The PR claim should be read as NAI.
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Post Post #2527 (isolation #299) » Fri Apr 20, 2018 7:47 am

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In post 1537, Spiffeh wrote:
In post 1028, MariaR wrote:Oh we shouldn't lynch Centi I have a 100% read rate on one of the slots and the other can quote on quote "solve the game" after one day. It's better to give them a day but meh I'm not gonna stop ya
I feel like if the first part is true then you should be more passionate about them not getting lynched today?
Spiffeh's other reason for SRing Maria is that he expects Maria to play a certain way and Maria isn't so that means Maria is Scum.
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Post Post #2530 (isolation #300) » Fri Apr 20, 2018 7:49 am

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In post 2520, Gorkington wrote:yeah im scumreading her because she claimed thats the reason those are the words in that post. gj quick. gj reading. man. gj. multiple gjs.
So if you case on Maria doesn't boil down to "she claimed PR" what am I missing?

I am trying to see where you are coming from here and I honestly don't see anything that would actually merit a vote. If Mafia claims PR, then that's self resolving or is it not?
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Post Post #2539 (isolation #301) » Fri Apr 20, 2018 7:57 am

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In post 2506, Spiffeh wrote:You guys need to realize that interacting with Quick is useless
Believe it or not (even though you were defending me earlier) I have not actually shit posted much this game so I am allowing this one.



And guess what? bins ISO is 10X worse than mine.
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Post Post #2643 (isolation #302) » Fri Apr 20, 2018 10:38 am

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I am Villager...

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Post Post #2644 (isolation #303) » Fri Apr 20, 2018 10:40 am

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In post 2599, MariaR wrote:
In post 2596, Hopkirk wrote:I am town.
if I'm living everyone make this statement thank you
LOL. You're not living. It's a 1 for 1. We take that trade every time and it only works with you dead.
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Post Post #2647 (isolation #304) » Fri Apr 20, 2018 10:42 am

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VOTE: MariaR
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Post Post #2657 (isolation #305) » Fri Apr 20, 2018 10:47 am

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In post 2654, Centipede Syndrome wrote:i saw the worst started posting but I didn't read said posts yet

were they thumbs up or thumbs down
Neutral thumb that wants to go up.
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Post Post #2670 (isolation #306) » Fri Apr 20, 2018 11:13 am

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Post Post #2678 (isolation #307) » Fri Apr 20, 2018 11:36 am

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I am concerned I have no read on Chill really...
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Post Post #2682 (isolation #308) » Fri Apr 20, 2018 11:45 am

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In post 2680, the worst wrote:Quick
Tch

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Post Post #2684 (isolation #309) » Fri Apr 20, 2018 11:48 am

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In post 2683, the worst wrote:kinda same but tchill and quick are more leany

would it not be better to wait til tomorrow just in case her claim is legit?
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Post Post #2687 (isolation #310) » Fri Apr 20, 2018 11:49 am

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In post 2685, Bins wrote:especially because there's other wagons

this isn't the only person needing flipping
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Post Post #2691 (isolation #311) » Fri Apr 20, 2018 11:57 am

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In post 2689, Bins wrote:
In post 2553, Bins wrote:actual lynch list in no order:
1. randomidget
2. MariaR
7. CheekyTeeky
8. Hopkirk
9. Quick
17. Tchill13
19. Centipede Syndrome (Ellibereth+Chara)
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Post Post #2696 (isolation #312) » Fri Apr 20, 2018 12:02 pm

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In post 2425, Quick wrote:
In post 2424, Spiffeh wrote:hmmm maybe GreyICE isn't town
Say more about this. I will admit that Grey is a very hard read for me atm.
In post 2432, Quick wrote:
In post 2431, Spiffeh wrote:2. The stated anti-claim mechanic from the rules makes it really optimal for scum to soft claim in the manner Maria is because no one can really force her to claim after hinting at being a power role. Town power roles should be holding that shit to their chest as long as they can but she pretty much immediately softs at the slightest bit of pressure earlier on.
That's NAI.. For shame.
In post 2473, Quick wrote:
In post 2471, Spiffeh wrote:and scummy
It's really not...
Hey, Spiffeh,

I know you are a noble and I am but a humble peasant, but could you maybe answer these things I asked you? I don't think they are out of line.
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Post Post #2736 (isolation #313) » Fri Apr 20, 2018 12:20 pm

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In post 2719, the worst wrote:does everyone agree Gork is probably town?

they radiate it but they don't feel easy to read
You can be Town.
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Post Post #2738 (isolation #314) » Fri Apr 20, 2018 12:38 pm

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Town Reads:

Elli, Creature, Spiffeh,

Let's all make a Town list and see who is most accurate? Need to clear half the game. I'll go first.

Town in descending order:

Random
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Post Post #2746 (isolation #315) » Fri Apr 20, 2018 1:12 pm

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In post 982, Ausuka wrote:
In post 977, Hopkirk wrote:Ausuka HI. Why am I town.
your tone is very towny, and you're playing like you did in floral.

pedit: ok I like that!
VOTE: tchill13
In post 1536, MariaR wrote:VOTE: Ausuka
Works for me
In post 2489, Tchill13 wrote:The only independent scum read I have rn us ausuka.
In post 2490, Tchill13 wrote:VOTE: maria
VOTE: Chill
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Post Post #2750 (isolation #316) » Fri Apr 20, 2018 1:24 pm

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In post 2748, Tchill13 wrote:Are you serious? I said Maria was scum because the wagon went from me to Maria back to me lol.
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Post Post #2754 (isolation #317) » Fri Apr 20, 2018 1:28 pm

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VOTE: Pan

Let's see if it sticks (I doubt it will tbqh).
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Post Post #2763 (isolation #318) » Fri Apr 20, 2018 1:34 pm

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VOTE: Chill

I like this better.
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Post Post #2782 (isolation #319) » Fri Apr 20, 2018 2:34 pm

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In post 2739, the worst wrote:why are creature and srceen on there twice and what should their position be?

what's your feel about ausuka and panop?

also out of interest--why is Gork where he is?
The first like is who I am talking to...
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Post Post #2786 (isolation #320) » Fri Apr 20, 2018 2:37 pm

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In post 2767, Spiffeh wrote:
In post 2269, Tchill13 wrote:100 page day 1 and we're gonna lynch a "scum slip"

Laughable.
Here Tchill condemns people for voting Quick because of the "scum slip", and even holds his ground when pushed on it by none other than Panopticon, when Quick was really the only viable counterwagon to Maria at the time (Maria had 5 votes, Quick had 4). To me this makes it unlikely that Tchill is Maria's scum buddy.
I disagree because I think Chill was intentionally buddying me.. Want more evidence?
In post 2686, Tchill13 wrote:
In post 2682, Quick wrote:
In post 2680, the worst wrote:Quick
Tch

is the centipede town
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Post Post #2792 (isolation #321) » Fri Apr 20, 2018 2:42 pm

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In post 2784, the worst wrote:how bout srceen? :P

also curious about ausuka, panop and now centipede
and gork!
Screen has "Town Snark™" a term Mastina coined when they cased me as Town.
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Post Post #2796 (isolation #322) » Fri Apr 20, 2018 2:51 pm

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In post 2793, Nero Cain wrote:1. randomidget
3. Beeboy
4. Thor665
5. Bins
6. Ausuka
7. CheekyTeeky
8. Hopkirk
9. Quick
12. Panopticon (Varsoon and Tn5421)
13. The Worst
14. Srceenplay
20. Brian Skies
^
still a shit ton of town here but the other 3 scum are in here. I'm leaning Bins and maybe Thor and maybe Quick and maybe Skies.
Uhhhh.... There is probably 4 Scum left unless this is multiball/3p game.
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Post Post #2825 (isolation #323) » Fri Apr 20, 2018 3:09 pm

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In post 2816, Brigand Vvulf wrote:
In post 2811, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 2807, Brigand Vvulf wrote:i dont think grey is scum
y not?

guy pushed heavily away from Maria lynch. I'm not sure he even talked about it b4 but I've been in kinda skim mode
there is a thin line between misguided overconfidence and scum agenda and i dont think it's the latter case for GreyIce
Can you do a case on Grey please? I can't read them worth shit...
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Post Post #2829 (isolation #324) » Fri Apr 20, 2018 3:11 pm

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In post 2828, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 2825, Quick wrote:Can you do a case on Grey please? I can't read them worth shit...
i like how you were scum reading him earlier but now its so hard 4 u.
ikik I am such a wolf.
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Post Post #2833 (isolation #325) » Fri Apr 20, 2018 3:17 pm

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In post 2831, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 2829, Quick wrote:ikik I am such a wolf.
glad we agree
We should really do this more often... I think you have SR me in every single game we have played together...
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Post Post #2836 (isolation #326) » Fri Apr 20, 2018 3:21 pm

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In post 2834, Nero Cain wrote:that's not true at all and you know it
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Post Post #2839 (isolation #327) » Fri Apr 20, 2018 3:25 pm

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In post 2838, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 2836, Quick wrote:
In post 2834, Nero Cain wrote:that's not true at all and you know it
I do? I didn't know I knew that... Thanks for enlightening me? I guess?/??
bullahit, you knew exactly what happened in our last game. You're feigning ignorance and I don't think that comes from town.
Yas, you are talking about the large game where to SR/PL me from the very beginning of the game right?
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Post Post #2841 (isolation #328) » Fri Apr 20, 2018 3:29 pm

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In post 2840, Nero Cain wrote:I am but I only voted you to PL you and then you started flailing around and pouting like my nephew when he doesn't get ice cream for dinner.
IDK your nephew so that means nothing to me...

OK...

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Post Post #2844 (isolation #329) » Fri Apr 20, 2018 3:42 pm

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In post 2842, Panopticon wrote:
In post 2841, Quick wrote:
In post 2840, Nero Cain wrote:I am but I only voted you to PL you and then you started flailing around and pouting like my nephew when he doesn't get ice cream for dinner.
IDK your nephew so that means nothing to me...

OK...

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VOTE: Quick
Top kek....
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Post Post #2947 (isolation #330) » Sat Apr 21, 2018 3:05 pm

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VOTE: Pan

IDK how your reads can be so bad unless you are Scum
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Post Post #2948 (isolation #331) » Sat Apr 21, 2018 3:06 pm

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Plus the Pan wagon looks pretty pure IMO.
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Post Post #2950 (isolation #332) » Sat Apr 21, 2018 3:17 pm

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In post 2949, Panopticon wrote:
In post 2948, Quick wrote:Plus the Pan wagon looks pretty pure IMO.
the fact that you're on it, alone, makes it a dogshit wagon.
Ofc because I am a shit player who can't get anything right, how kind of you.
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Post Post #2956 (isolation #333) » Sat Apr 21, 2018 3:42 pm

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In post 2953, Panopticon wrote:Nah, when I flip town,
I don't have to play this game with you baddies anymore
That's kinda the reason I hate playing here sometimes. People always think they are the shit here and they are not joking.
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Post Post #2959 (isolation #334) » Sat Apr 21, 2018 3:52 pm

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Def NOT policy for me. Can't speak for others.
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Post Post #2962 (isolation #335) » Sat Apr 21, 2018 4:27 pm

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In post 2961, the worst wrote:haven't read into probability of being scum with Maria.
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Post Post #2964 (isolation #336) » Sat Apr 21, 2018 4:31 pm

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In post 2963, the worst wrote:You used that much more quickly than expected. :lol:
I telegraphed what I was doing too much... If I would have done it without prodding you it would have been better.
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Post Post #2966 (isolation #337) » Sat Apr 21, 2018 4:39 pm

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In post 2965, the worst wrote:Actually I had no idea what you'd do with it so I'd all but forgotten. It was perfect.
I might call you SSD (Super Saiyan Duck) from now on.
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Post Post #2983 (isolation #338) » Sat Apr 21, 2018 5:23 pm

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In post 2967, the worst wrote:I never expected I'd become a solid state drive but.....I like it. :lol:
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Post Post #2986 (isolation #339) » Sat Apr 21, 2018 5:26 pm

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In post 2984, the worst wrote:warning: quick may induce seizures
That's why I spoilered it.
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Post Post #2999 (isolation #340) » Sun Apr 22, 2018 12:08 am

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In post 2998, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 2994, CheekyTeeky wrote:VOTE: Spiffeh
What a crappy vote
Just because he is ex-paragon? What shit logic.
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Post Post #3000 (isolation #341) » Sun Apr 22, 2018 12:10 am

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Like outbursts of irritation usually come from Town unless they are pissed that you caught them trying to buddy you and then they get pissed. Then they are Scum.
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Post Post #3009 (isolation #342) » Sun Apr 22, 2018 3:11 am

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In post 3008, Creature wrote:Today's a great day to lynch a deepwolf.
If you say so...

VOTE: Quick

Nah... changed my mind

VOTE: Pan
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Post Post #3020 (isolation #343) » Sun Apr 22, 2018 6:40 am

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In post 3017, Brian Skies wrote:Pretty sure that was Toranaga calling people potatoes, not Panopticon.
Pretty sure that was a joke based on Pan calling people bad.
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Post Post #3022 (isolation #344) » Sun Apr 22, 2018 6:47 am

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In post 3021, Brian Skies wrote:
In post 3003, Spiffeh wrote:
In post 2904, Brian Skies wrote:What about srceenplay?
Srceenplay isn't really someone I've taken a hard look at, can you explain why you're scum reading them?
The only thing that really leaps out to me in his scumread of Quick is him attacking Quick's semantics, although in both cases I've gotten the feeling Srceen's either tonedeaf or missed the context. I think attacking semantics is really easy for scum to attack because it's easier to justify than trying to fake natural feelings or legitimate concerns or paranoia. I also didn't like his reaction to Thor, who was mostly fielding a response to Srceen when Srceen answered questions that weren't even directed toward him.
I thought Screen's pissyness was pretty tonally Towny myself but ymmv.
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Post Post #3023 (isolation #345) » Sun Apr 22, 2018 7:02 am

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You know what? No one really wants me in this game so I am going to replace out.

@Mod, replace me
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Post Post #4346 (isolation #346) » Sat May 05, 2018 2:30 pm

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Why wasn't I killed via anti-claim mechanic?
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Post Post #4349 (isolation #347) » Sat May 05, 2018 2:40 pm

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In post 4348, the worst wrote:
In post 4346, Quick wrote:Why wasn't I killed via anti-claim mechanic?
You went super saiyan?
Fuck... lol.

LMAO, Great.
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Post Post #4374 (isolation #348) » Sat May 05, 2018 3:26 pm

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Sorry for replacing out, Mulch, but I can only take so many people saying "ignore Quick" "Quick is terrible" before I start questioning why I am in the game.
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Post Post #4405 (isolation #349) » Sun May 06, 2018 4:32 am

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Does anyone have any funnel cakes?
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Post Post #4410 (isolation #350) » Sun May 06, 2018 5:21 am

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In post 4409, Varsoon wrote:I recall reasons being like "No one nominates games but the town players in the game itself."
And like
So what?
Right...

Who is going to argue this game shouldn't be up for a Nom at least? I believe people have better judgement than what we give them credit for sometimes.
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Post Post #4415 (isolation #351) » Sun May 06, 2018 5:34 am

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In post 4413, northsidegal wrote:could be a kodak moment for basically a perfect town victory in a 21 player game, which i don't think i've ever seen before.

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Post Post #4417 (isolation #352) » Sun May 06, 2018 6:55 am

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In post 4416, Thor665 wrote:My plan is to just constantly brag about it ad naseum until people give me a badge to try to shut me up.
It will probably work too. LMAO.

EVERYONE, THINK OF A NEW TITLE FOR THOR, QUICK!
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