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[Dunnstral]

VOTE: kokichi

good vote

Damn, now that Maria has made it an actual wagon, I'm too scared to switch my vote for I fear people will think I'm aligned with Kokichi.. :(

wolfy?

VOTE: UnaBombaH

bad vote

I'll show all how town I am for I'm brave!

VOTE: Ruby Red for no read or at least no understand what read if really read and not just quick see what say in terms of words..

pardon me?

It's been a while since I last played, and I feel like there's a joke here that I don't get.

towny

Slightly suspicious at this post
The way they respond to everything with one line early on reminds me of scum posts

VOTE: Ruby Red

[Dunnstral]

Ausuka, is that a serious vote on UnaBombaH?

[Dunnstral]

And how is post 7 "wolfy?" but then the vote in post 8 a bad vote?

i think something smart is talking about ausuka

[Dunnstral]

wagons are pro-town, there was already one starting on the one person, what would the point be in starting another?

Well, that's your opinion, I don't see the value in a wagon that isn't based off of anything vs voting a lead

Why are you being ultra defensive of what I said? For one, if you judge the strength of what I was pushing, I had just came into the thread and pointed out somethign that seemed off to me, you reacted to this by voting me and saying there was 'no way' I could believe that, while also shading Kokichi for voting you.

What you should be doing is answering how 7 was a wolfy post, but then 8 was a bad vote, from your point of view?

[Dunnstral]

ftr i asked for the games because of mumble's read, was guessing it's meta based and not based off of just this game

I don't remember playing with mumble if that helps, I don't think they're using meta

[Dunnstral]

Dunn not outting any type of read or trying to interact with me yet is wolfy btw

I don't have a read or reason to interact with you

[Dunnstral]

Dunn not outting any type of read or trying to interact with me yet is wolfy btw

I don't have a read or reason to interact with you

Has that ever stopped you before?

Yes

[Dunnstral]

I have you as null, my interaction is as above, does that settle things?

[Dunnstral]

I don't think meta should be what you try to read anyone on

[Dunnstral]

Who is so blatantly sheeping me?
You don't need to go into meta, just chill for a bit, the reason I haven't talked to you yet is because I already know what I'm doing this game, so I have no reason to ask your opinion in an attempt to gain direction

[Dunnstral]

I've been following along with the two of you's thought process for Something_Smart (MariaR, Ruby Red) including his read on Ruby Red in 49

I don't think any of his posts has TMI or whatever Maria is voting him for (being aggressive/saying unneeded things I think)

[Dunnstral]

interesting that you assume that there's some sort of deeper thought process there rather than assuming i'm just making shit up

Wait, but when I pointed it out, you couldn't believe it would be what someone would actually think...?

[Dunnstral]

kokichi was the one blatantly sheeping you

wagons are pro-town, there was already one starting on the one person, what would the point be in starting another?

[Dunnstral]

which i might add you've yet to substantiate

I don't have to substantiate me thinking your post looked off at the beginning of the game - Like I said, I just voted you as a starting wagon into the game and you reacted in an overblown way. I didn't case you.
The way you responded to those posts made me want to vote you, that's really all their is, since then you've given more reasons for me to vote you.

[Dunnstral]

I can link you to some games

[Dunnstral]

Town:
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=75469
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=74973

Scum:
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=75044
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=74965

[Dunnstral]

36 is a good post by dunn.

VOTE: ruby

To my read, post 36 seems thin gruel. The post he's quoting,7, seemed to me to be a complete joke post. Construing that as a serious post, then putting someone on the spot to defend a joke post strikes me as bad reasoning.

Why do you feel post 36 is good?
Or... did I miss a joke again, and this exchange was an extended joke I'm not privy too?

You misunderstood somehow, post 7 is a nested quote inside of another quote and not what I was drawing attention to

Dunn. What's your Maria read?

I don't have a good read on her yet, I'm wary at her trying to call me out

[Dunnstral]

You misunderstood somehow, post 7 is a nested quote inside of another quote and not what I was drawing attention to

I misspoke, sorry, that's on me.
I meant 16 struck me as a joke post.

7 also struck me as a joke post, but my perception of those both as jokes may be coloring my view of this interaction. 16 seemed like a joke response to 7 also being a joke, so using that as the basis to draw alignment conclusions struck me as... odd?
So I was hoping that Kokichi could explain why he felt those were solid conclusions.

I don't think 16 was or looks like a joke response though

[Dunnstral]

I'm okay with Ruby red now

VOTE: UnaBombah
Feels weird to look at the thread when stuff is actually going on and say you have no reads, then go to townreading Kokichi

Speaking of which I don't really agree with the stance you're taking right now Kokichi

[Dunnstral]

So you are also making the conclusion that was a serious post and not a joke?

It seems pretty apparent that it's not a joke to me, I think this is just you

[Dunnstral]

Really good posting from Ausuka there

Zoronos, some of Ruby Red's responses show they didn't consider that a joke post (they explained why responses to 7 and 8 made sense to them) - It's interesting knowing how you saw it though

[Dunnstral]

You don't need to apologize Zoronos

what worries me though is already raised argument that kokichi is fence sitting too much

Who raised this argument? I don't think they've been fence sitting, if anything I thought the argument was that he was too eager to be on the ruby wagon?

[Dunnstral]

and the fact Kokichi made a bad "+1" and Dunn made nothing of it.

What are you talking about? This is what I'm seeing:

36 is a good post by dunn.

VOTE: ruby

36 is a good post by dunn.

VOTE: ruby

The post the fos or both?

Both

He says he agrees with me and places a vote down, and when asked says he agrees with both the post and the fos. I'm not sure what you want me to say is wrong with it? Keep in mind that just disliking my 36 isn't an explanation to what I should be doing here, from my point of view. It's like you're getting caught up in the anti-kokichi hype but don't really understand what's happening? If you're talking about some of the later stuff hes said, i did mention I didn't really agree with it, though I never explained

Also for a bit of context Dunnstral knows I can read him very well he's also said before scum him is scared of me so when town him didn't interact with me until I forced it and then he tried to end it I was like "this is off" and he went back to meta.

First of all, I didn't 'go back to meta', I was asked for it so I linked it

What does 'town him didn't interact with me' mean?

Anyway, I don't know why you're putting so much stock into the 'I would talk to you' angle. You kind jumped the gun and accused me of not talking to you when I had only been in the thread for a couple of hours, on page 5 of the game, not really a big deal at all, even by your standards. I don't really know what you expected me to talk to you about at that point in the game either, you already gave your opinion on what I was voting.

Can someone tell me why they thought that post from Ausuka was towny...I mean it was just a list to me I didn't really think much of it.

Surely you can figure it out? They made a large post full of reads and linked to posts explaining what they thought of each one and how it shaped their reads, not sure why you're taking this stance when you've been town reading people for a lot less a lot earlier on, as you explain with UnaBombah.

I don't think I'm bias with my dunnstral scumread here but people townreading him makes me want to take a step back a second don't really know what to do with that slot zzzz.

I don't know what this means

I want a wagon on kokichi given he seems to be the common link in all this and while I don't really scumread him hard my only 2 big scumreads seem to be connected. And I don't think you guys will wagon dunn so (B

Who else are you scumreading, and how are they connected to Kokichi? For that matter, after you look at the first stuff I respond to in this post, I'm also wondering what my link to Kokichi is.

[Dunnstral]

If you're talking about post 109 for the meta thing, I was actually repeating your words back at you, though admittedly out of context

[Dunnstral]

and

now

you choose to speak up?
Ohhh this is gonna be

FUN

I've been waiting for this give me a moment

Not sure what you're talking about since the majority of that is responding to a post you just made

[Dunnstral]

I thought Kokichi just mindlessly agreeing with you and placing a vote down was strange it's why I asked the question in the first place. If you had an issue with kokichi you'd say so but you didn't find anything wrong with that vote?

I don't think this is a fair assessment, nor do I think it's fair to call this out like it's something, while not bringing attention to:

Dunnstral is town.

VOTE: Ruby Red

Which is in essence the same thing Kokichi did? Also, Kokichi's vote was on page 2 of the game? People are still throwing out starting votes, This is really out of context

If you're talking about post 109 for the meta thing, I was actually repeating your words back at you, though admittedly out of context

I wasn't even trying to meta you in the context of 109. and yes I am a hypocrite I'll tell people to not do something then do it myself. Just who I am

Really? So what was this then:

I'm pretty sure scum you knows if you ever try to provoke me/1v1 me I'll win. But now that you want to end it so quickly

Because I perceive this as meta, and if you say you're a hypocrite then ok, but that's why I posted 109

dunnstral explain why you've already made half as many posts in this game as you did in those villager games you linked me

Because I decided to be active in this game from the start vs becoming interested in it later

[Dunnstral]

I don't know why you're making such a fuss of me thinking you could be scum for the interaction stuff either you say it's jumping the gun but what am I jumping the gun on? do I need to wait some more? Am I not allowed to have a scumread on you until later?

Yes, you don't get to say I'm not talking to you when the games just started and I'm obviously preoccupied with something else, it just doesn't make sense.

Well duh I looked at the post and it was nothing great scum aus has to make posts like that or he'll get called out right away.

I've thought of a number of things to say to this, I think it's just a weird stance to be taking right now

[Dunnstral]

1) What's not fair about it?

I don't see anything wrong with saying "I agree with this" and placing a vote on page 2 of a game

[Dunnstral]

what worries me though is already raised argument that kokichi is fence sitting too much

Yeah this didn't happen

As in, nobody said that to my knowledge and looking over the thread briefly

[Dunnstral]

Not a fan of the Dunn/Ruby turnaround...need to hear more of a reason from both as to why.

Because to me they looked better as t he game progressed and after explaining some stuff, It wasn't a lynch I wanted anymore

Why aren't you a fan of it?

Also I'm a bit worried about Dunn right now. From what I've seen as town hes never this active.

+1

he's too active and too precise

Compared to what? When have you seen me play? Can you back this up by linking us to a scum game where I'm 'active and precise'?
I'm not sure where you're coming from when you're saying this.

This post

(ausuka's list)

is LITERALLY a copy/paste of what most people think about said people this game. I think I can quote for every read when I have more time.

Does no one else see this?

#199 zoronos is seeing

dunn, ruby enjoyed it

Not sure what this means but I get the feeling you're assuming Zoronos is seeing something wrong with that post? They actually townread it.

[Dunnstral]

if there's a hole in an argument I love to push it

Your arguments in relation to me have been so holey lately that I mistook it as a religious thing for a bit

[Dunnstral]

Like I could understand dunn if you pointed ___ out told me that was wrong and explained why but all I'm seeing is excuses and victim noises coming from you.

I've done this

In response to post 188 and 195 I point out that no matter your opinion on my post 36, you can't say Kokichi's post 39 can be scummy from my point of view. Somebody agreeing with what I said isn't cause for concern to ME. That's the angle you were pushing - that I should have had issue with that.


In response to post 195 called you out as selectively applying your logic to Kokichi while ignoring it in relation to Mumble, whether that was your intention or not, and all you said was something like 'if I had known he was in the game I would have called him out on it too'. But you know he's here now, why are you so unconcerned when he's done the same thing? That's the hole in your argument - you're only pushing the angle that applies to Kokichi and trying to connect it to me.


In response to post 196, I point to where you were indeed applying clear meta, while you were saying you hadn't

[Dunnstral]

That's mostly an agree to disagree because from my pov that would raise concern with me. I can't really say that would for you because I don't know if it would or not I can ask it doesn't but that doesn't really do much. It's a stalemate

It's not a stalemate, you were saying it was bad that I made nothing of that post, what that implies is my pov, if you want to use your own pov then you need to accept that you were wrong in the initial accusation, there's nothing there for me to be alarmed at

[Dunnstral]

Because you can't link something unless Player A and Player B did something to link each other

I mean, that hasn't stopped you

[Dunnstral]

Not sure what this means but I get the feeling you're assuming Zoronos is seeing something wrong with that post? They actually townread it.

So,

I tend to lean slightly scummy on people that drop in, make a big post, and then leave

(I like seeing both interactive back-and-forths and huge thought-posts).

The quote in 199 is way out of context, Zoronos goes on to say that they townread Ausuka for their post

[Dunnstral]

Compared to what? When have you seen me play? Can you back this up by linking us to a scum game where I'm 'active and precise'?
I'm not sure where you're coming from when you're saying this.

it is scum indicative to pick up subtle issues and blow them out of proportions all day long

especially if target is potentially the weakest chain link - a newcomer to the game

I don't understand what you're saying here

What I'm saying is, this wouldn't be the first time you've made stuff up in the past 24 hours. Can you back it up?

Where does your perception of my meta come from? I don't remember playing with you for a long time.

[Dunnstral]

I didn't realize the post you made was a joke

It wasn't a joke

[Dunnstral]

Read from 175 for the talk about that post being a joke

[Dunnstral]

Mumble is prob town and it's not because of the miller claim it's because of the focus on one self imo. Normally that on paper comes from scum but the way he's attacking stuff like my posts feels like scumhunting and not something with an agenda

Seems like a weird stance to have after all you said about Ausuka's posts being fakeable, no?

I don't understand what you're saying here

you should not. or lies

I don't understand what this means

Lapsa, when you said this:

Also I'm a bit worried about Dunn right now. From what I've seen as town hes never this active.

+1

he's too active and too precise

Where did your notion of what I should be playing like come from?

[Dunnstral]

Where did your notion of what I should be playing like come from?

we have played before

Okay, so you're saying we've played together before, and that's why you said this:

Also I'm a bit worried about Dunn right now. From what I've seen as town hes never this active.

+1

he's too active and too precise

So I ran a quick search to see what games we actually both played in, we've played in two to my knowledge but both are from around a year and a half (and I was in a hydra for one of them)
So incredibly old meta

Here's the clincher though: I didn't lurk in either of those games, far from it

Here are the games I found:

viewtopic.php?f=55&t=67016 - a large normal
viewtopic.php?f=56&t=67827 - a very large mess of a theme game (in the hydra VA-11 Hall-A)

This is, to my knowledge, the only two games we have played in prior to this one
I posted 918 times in the large normal, and my hydra posted 375 times in the large theme

So... to me it looks like you're just making things up, or even receiving information on my meta from other players. It's weird to me that you jumped on my meta like that when you shouldn't have known.

[Dunnstral]

Also I'm a bit worried about Dunn right now. From what I've seen as town hes never this active.

+1

he's too active and too precise

Why did you say I'm too active and precise in this game?

[Dunnstral]

The quote you replied to is talking about me 'never being this active' compared to how I usually play

It's not just a statement, it's a comparison, and you shouldn't have had a proper frame of reference to be agreeing with it

[Dunnstral]

Yeah, that's not how this works. You're not able to answer my question because you don't have an answer that doesn't incriminate you. If it were a subtle issue I don't see why you couldn't just explain it or even say you messed up again somehow, instead you're the one dragging this on and accusing me of making a big deal out of 'nothing'.

Second of all, I think your stance around Ruby Red has been weird. Like, you joined the wagon early on (I think you literally pasted random words in and people mistook it as a thoughtful post) and then you don't really acknowledge it past then, I'm not sure 257 is supposed to imply you still scumread him, but either way it's weird for you to be slinking off the wagon

Post 290 takes a post strongly out of context, which seems especially off as it's a Zoronos post and you seem to be saying you scumread him for his posts... but you didn't read or understand this one, or something happened.

VOTE: Lapsa

[Dunnstral]

Post 290 takes a post strongly out of context, which seems especially off as it's a Zoronos post and you seem to be saying you scumread him for his posts... but you didn't read or understand this one, or something happened.

either you are tripping balls or scum

zoronos said he has issues with players popping in, spewing out huge wall and then continuing to lurk

you jumped straight to the outcome - to zoronos read on ausuka

Not sure what this means but I get the feeling you're assuming Zoronos is seeing something wrong with that post? They actually townread it.

as a matter of fact I do assume Zoronos is seeing something wrong with ausuka's list

Let me explain why I find that style scummy, so maybe others can follow along. The scum motivation for drop in -> big post -> peace out is that it makes it easier to avoid interacting with the thread, having discussions, and building consensus with other players. All those things are hard to fake as scum, so putting a big 'reads' post into the thread on occasion immunizes against the accusation of lurking (because the scum can point back to their single huge post and go 'Look, I'm contributing!').

Let me explain why I find that style scummy, so maybe others can follow along. The scum motivation for drop in -> big post -> peace out is that it makes it easier to avoid interacting with the thread, having discussions, and building consensus with other players. All those things are hard to fake as scum, so putting a big 'reads' post into the thread on occasion immunizes against the accusation of lurking (because the scum can point back to their single huge post and go 'Look, I'm contributing!').

Let me explain why I find that style scummy, so maybe others can follow along. The scum motivation for drop in -> big post -> peace out is that it makes it easier to avoid interacting with the thread, having discussions, and building consensus with other players. All those things are hard to fake as scum, so putting a big 'reads' post into the thread on occasion immunizes against the accusation of lurking (because the scum can point back to their single huge post and go 'Look, I'm contributing!').

The most annoying part of this isn't the giant text, it's that you're pushing it like it means something when he clarifies in his very next sentence:

Also, I think you missed the part where my judgement on you was slight town lean

It's pretty clear to me that Zoronos doesn't scumread Ausuka

Why did you say I'm too active and precise in this game?

because you are

Let me get this straight. You have his meta and you find his activeness in the game is bad? Are you scum reading him for this?

Yeah, that's not how this works. You're not able to answer my question because you don't have an answer that doesn't incriminate you. If it were a subtle issue I don't see why you couldn't just explain it or even say you messed up again somehow, instead you're the one dragging this on and accusing me of making a big deal out of 'nothing'.

Second of all, I think your stance around Ruby Red has been weird. Like, you joined the wagon early on (I think you literally pasted random words in and people mistook it as a thoughtful post) and then you don't really acknowledge it past then, I'm not sure 257 is supposed to imply you still scumread him, but either way it's weird for you to be slinking off the wagon

Post 290 takes a post strongly out of context, which seems especially off as it's a Zoronos post and you seem to be saying you scumread him for his posts... but you didn't read or understand this one, or something happened.

VOTE: Lapsa

Oh boie. Lapsa could be town btw. He is just pushing the wrong buttons. Why are you being reactive?

I'm not being reactive, look at the whole sequence of posts and what I accused him of doing. If he can be town, why is he lying (which I pointed out) and why are you looking past this? Also, you did not have a read on Lapsa 10 posts before this after you had caught up with the thread, why did you switch to saying he could be town between posts 390 and 400?

[Dunnstral]

Lapsa could be town btw. He is just pushing the wrong buttons. Why are you being reactive?

The more I think about this the weirder it seems

Did you read post 388? Why are you accusing me of being 'reactive'?

[Dunnstral]

why is he lying (which I pointed out)

what did I lie about?

Your reason for commenting on my playstyle in this game

[Dunnstral]

Where did your notion of what I should be playing like come from?

we have played before

Okay, so you're saying we've played together before, and that's why you said this:

Also I'm a bit worried about Dunn right now. From what I've seen as town hes never this active.

+1

he's too active and too precise

So I ran a quick search to see what games we actually both played in, we've played in two to my knowledge but both are from around a year and a half (and I was in a hydra for one of them)
So incredibly old meta

Here's the clincher though: I didn't lurk in either of those games, far from it

Here are the games I found:

viewtopic.php?f=55&t=67016 - a large normal
viewtopic.php?f=56&t=67827 - a very large mess of a theme game (in the hydra VA-11 Hall-A)

This is, to my knowledge, the only two games we have played in prior to this one
I posted 918 times in the large normal, and my hydra posted 375 times in the large theme

So... to me it looks like you're just making things up, or even receiving information on my meta from other players. It's weird to me that you jumped on my meta like that when you shouldn't have known.

[Dunnstral]

You lied in 384, you couldn't have gained the notion that I was a lurker from playing in games with me, because I never lurked in games I played with you.

[Dunnstral]

and wording is incorrect. never called you a lurker

But you said I was too active in this game, which is saying the same thing

You lied in 384, you couldn't have gained the notion that I was a lurker from playing in games with me, because I never lurked in games I played with you.

no. it is YOU that couldn't have gained such notion if you were me. I did

it is not my fault that your playstyle has seemingly progressed from nonsensical and paranoid into xXx_TEh_TUNNEL_V1SION_30O0_xXx

@dunnstral

what did I lie about?

Trying to bring teh conversation to my playstyle is skirting what I am talking about

If you come in here claiming you honestly used past game experiences to determine me as a lurker when I hyper posted in both of those games, then yes you're lying, it doesn't matter how often you join games, or what my playstyle is like, you are making the claim that you got the notion that I was posting too much in this game from those past games I linked, and anybody who takes a few minutes to look into it will realize it's a lie

[Dunnstral]

Arc I wanna call town for having me as a strong tr but I need posts

I said this half asleep I was basically saying
"Arc has me as town so my first inpulse is to ask why they tr me and tr them for it"
But I'll just wait for arc to post more stuff

This isn't a good read

Speaking of which, I'm interested in hearing more about where your Lapsa read came from, ArcAngel

[Dunnstral]

it is not my fault that your playstyle has seemingly progressed from nonsensical and paranoid into xXx_TEh_TUNNEL_V1SION_30O0_xXx

When you try to weasel out of answering questions by twisting semantics and throwing shade it tends to take up more in-game time
Doubling down on it doesn't help either

[Dunnstral]

You lied in 384, you couldn't have gained the notion that I was a lurker from playing in games with me, because I never lurked in games I played with you.

no. it is YOU that couldn't have gained such notion if you were me.

I did

Isn't this saying the opposite of your big red text above?

[Dunnstral]

When I read that I saw it as a semantics argument ("I never said you were a lurker, I said you were too active")

What is the correct wording?

[Dunnstral]

Why did you say I'm too active and precise in this game?

because you are

Let me get this straight. You have his meta and you find his activeness in the game is bad? Are you scum reading him for this?

Why didn't you refute this? Or is this correct?

[Dunnstral]

I want to interject into the Dunstrall v Lapsa discussion, because this discussion seems very opaque, but I’m not even sure what question to ask that would clarify things.

Maybe this: Lapsa, what specifically were you accusing Dunnstral of with regard to his meta?

I want to note that Lapsa is the one backpedaling here and I think I asked him this and I'm pretty sure he never answered

Lurker slot got replaced unab how do you feel about him so far?

Something has been off about your contributions for a while now
Maybe it's that you don't jump at me when I talk about you, maybe it's that you're not really contributing anything/don't appear to be reading

Ok if this keeps up I'm gonna start lynching people who say other people are confirmed anything.

Because it's lazy af and being lazy af is scummy.

This is scummy

Can y'all talk to me and not about me and maybe I can play my way in.

I can sympathize with this though: How about you start by giving your thoughts on this kokichi wagon and what you are thinking for the deadline lynch

Nah, I town read Unah, though.

We know

Who townreads lapsa? If so tell me why

I don't.
I know my own participation has been lackluster this game so far, but I already skimmed them once in preparation for my "catch up", and don't think I had many of them town-tinglings.
Their absolutely horrible 1v1 with the anime-face #3 also felt out of place. (to be fair, I spaced out of most of it, but saw enough to say that it had very little value to the rest of us)
Either it was completely NAI in the sense that it was just chemistries not matching at all, and that would likely make it T/T,

OR

it was over the top theater. The kind that they hope would yield a "these two are never S/S" in the days to come.

Or he's just scum?

Either way let's see you back this up with a vote, we're running out of time

This could be Mumble scolding a scumpartner for acting weird.

In the main thread?

You seem kind of biased against mumble too, like everything they do appears as scummy to you

That leaves {Arcangel, Espeonage, Maria} as players I'd potentially be willing to vote.

I'd vote in here too, maybe less happy to vote Maria over others today

this game has 2 days left and I gotta lurk out.

...why?

i'm the only one in this fucking game who seems to be making any sort of effort to get a wolfread lynched

Not true

[Dunnstral]

Dunnstal, what do you think of Arcangel?
I asked her a question a while ago about her categorization of your play as reactive (and other things), but she never returned to the thread.

I think she's scummy, I noticed she never replied but said she'd reply to MariaR, and I noted mentally that she could be mafia with Lapsa, I'd be pretty okay with voting them

[Dunnstral]

I still don't know who it is

[Dunnstral]

I realize who Morality is

[Dunnstral]

We could make Lapsa a viable wagon?

[Dunnstral]

I've played with Kokichi before, I think he's lynchbait town here, I think Lapsa is scum and arcangel replacement is a good compromise

[Dunnstral]

We're going to need to agree on something with these votes

What we have right now isn't working out

I'm not excited about an Espeonage lynch anymore

[Dunnstral]

ok

[Dunnstral]

good with kokichi but pref lapsa
tell me why you think kokichi is scum meta points to towny but play points to scum.

I mean, I'm glad you're voting Lapsa, but why are you voting Lapsa?

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lets do this!

VOTE: Lapsa

That won't save you

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I realize who Morality is

Does your read change from this?

I don't know, I didn't think about it, I wasn't really scumreading them though

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I claim tracker - Morality visited Ausuka

VOTE: Morality

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So I was reading over night because I finally got free time and these were my notes

Zoronos: Town

While I don't agree with some of his answers I feel like he's been rather genuine with his reads and I checked an old game we both played in and still got the same vibe I am getting now. I do want him to talk more about his Eod / go into more detail because of posts like #900 and #966

Unabombah: Town

The posts Una make in itself to me are lack luster and decent not amazing but combinded with Moralities read on this slot I'm good with calling this town it's more likely scum Mortality buddying town Una then town Mortality being wrong on scum una? Could they be partners yes of course but interactions to me suggest otherwise I want to see more from this slot

Something_Smart: Town Lean

: With how smart played around me he knows what I use to townread him and the fact that hasn't happened yet makes me wnat to call him town. the later game poster like 419 452 459 and 461 feel super at ease and correct me if I'm wrong I remmeber somewhere smart saying he likes town over scum I don't know if he'd be this relaxed as scum I do want smart to start taking more firm statances in the game though.

Espeonage: Town lean

Given Lapsa flipped town this went down from "Town" just a little because of wagons but I still really like Esps late game posting early was mostly meh but when he came back into the game he took a stance (scumread Ruby) and went with it trying to insert himself into the game. Even when he was a wagon he didn't seem like scum trying to survive mostly town trying to figure shit out I want more details on the ruby sr

Morality: Null/town

I get uneasy feelings with how Morality interacted with una it felt a lot more buddyish to me but I also buddy people I townread plus I'm trusting his read on una here for reasons stated in the above he replaced in and got to work right away that felt good but I want to hear more about #860 if my scumreads were 1v1ing (they were) I would've placed a vote down or asked some questions but we were close to deadline so I wanna know what Morality thinks is scum in Ruby/Kokichi

Ruby Red: Null

Ruby used to be my top townread but I took a step back and I just don't really know how to read this slot I want more then just "this post is towny this post is wolfy" it's hard for me to fully understand what Ruby is thinking here I don't get why Ruby reacts the way they do I just really have no way how to handle this slot if they think I'm a deep wolf push me more ask me stuff etc I just want to see more but when you already have 100+ posts asking for more is worriying

Kokichi Oma: Null

I had him as a scumlean mostly because I don't like his posting and it linked him to someone I was scumreading but when I was saying he was a scumread of mine or when he linked the game I modded the harshness in his tone felt like a game I played where he was town feels like he seriuosly scumreads me I want to watch over kokichi he can go either way for me

Ausuka: Null/Scum

I really dislike how Ausuka has handled my slot given I was asking my townreads for help with their slot and they attacked me for it right away claiming that I was trying to shade them when that was a giant misrep and I wasn't doing it at all I don't get Ausuka townreads and I would really like help on this slot and I want an updated reads list and why from Ausuka themselves

Dunnstral: Scum lean

Dunn's post rate is NAI I know this for fact the post he has made when answering to me are just weird I don't feel like I would have to ask for reactions to dunn and when I did he just kept coming over and over like "oh shit now I gotta answer her" and when he did answer a lot of it was excuses. #880 was towny I will admit and with Lapsa flipping town I want to know more on why Dunn thought Lapsa was scum I get somewhat cold feet thinking scum dunn has the confidence to lead a wagon but we'll see
Mumble: Scum lean At first I was townreading Mumble because of his miller claim and the way he focused on me when I forgot he even claimed miller or his posting but the way he handled EOD gave me pings all over the place the harshness in his tone and reason for the vote felt extremely fake to me I can't tell if it's mostly me disagreeing with his read or just his play but I wouldn't mind lynching this. I want to know why he sr's Una I want to know how he feels about Morality

the worst: Scum

I went back to check Arch and I saw she never got back to me hell she even got replaced out that's a shame cause I really wanted her answer anyway. the worst has 50 posts and a lot of them are just filler and not doing anything and he came around deadline correct me if I'm wrong I would expect him to be more urgent but he seemed really really relaxed like he didn't mind deadline hitting because it was on town. He said I make him nervous but why why did he sr me mort and kokichi the kokichi vote also looked random and very out of no where I think this is just scum at this point

Forgot to bold Mumble but he's right under Dunnstral. Seeing Ausuka flip town isn't really that big a shock I still dislike how they played but it's a dam weird kill to me but lol NKA is shit so. What I find more interesting is the 1 shot cop flip. We have a miller I would expect more then a 1 shot cop if we had a miller it makes me feel like mumbles miller claim is fake because it doesn't make sense for that to be in the set up imo. I want to hear what morality thinks of ruby now that kokichi flipped. I think the worsts vote on kokichi can very well come from a partner, I think kokichi flipping is also good for ruby as dunn and kokichi's votes on ruby early seemed really bad plus the giant post ruby made on kokichi was good I'm fine putting ruby into town now

VOTE: Mumble
This is where I want to vote today

A red flip from kokichi means it is more likely that Dunn is town because Kokichi +1'ed Dunn's logic on Ruby way back in early D1. Seems unlikely scum would tie to scum that early. Also increases Ruby-town likelyhood.

Need to re-read to derive more conclusions.

I would agree if Dunn reacted to it but the fact he didn't makes it seem like it could come from partners but hey what do I know

You're looking pretty scummy right now

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But I think I town read Ausuka anyways for pointing this out. :lol: It makes sense to me why TownAusuka would scum read townUnah for being tonally off, if that makes sense. So far I’m entirely using meta to base these reads. My Day 1’s generally go off of meta/analyzing different perspectives here.

I don't believe that you'd target her with this

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I think dunn is a scum tracker because town tracker dunn would track me given his stance on me imo.

What was my stance on you? I said not to lynch you yesterday...?

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I have this nagging feeling that scum Maria doesn't act like this right now and yesterday

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Dunnstral mumble scumteam still

You can't be serious

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What pings you as towny about her actions?
I havent played with town!Maria yet so would like some feedback for sure.

I think if she were scum she would be playing differently
I feel she's more likely to be town from the way she's reacting today too, though from a cursory glance I can see why she's suspicious

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That’s considering if the game wouldn’t happen to be Night 1 potential for end game to scum, which I’m not sure isn’t the case.

If you're really an SK, mafia might have a ninja

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I wasn't roleblocked

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Maria probably still thinks it's me and Mumble

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Well I tracked unabombah and was told he didn't go anywhere, I'm not sure how much that is worth as there was no night kill

If I was to have my cake and eat it too after my lynch lynch mumble track una (for you guys) otherwise look at Dunn/nsg but dunn slot figures itself out so don't lynch that

You've been wrong all game

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scum v scum

There's only 1 scum left.

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Yeah but if there was a protective role that acted last night Una is less likely to be scum

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Ausuka investigates MariaR(successfull) - not town
the worst shoots kokichi oma(successfull)
Dunnstral tracks Morality(successfull) - Morality visits Ausuka

Wow!