Fallout Mafia - Commonwealth Edition (Day 8)

[Ouroboros]

final answer
I would lean it a few percentage points towards it being his town meta although this result isn't especially conclusive
definitely enough to not want to lynch him today, yall can clusterfuck him later in the game when me and anony are gone if you want

@Ramcius???????????????????????????????????????????????????/
How the fuck is he scum trying to take advantage of miller claims in what way does claiming that as scum take advantage of miller claims?

[Ouroboros]

strong town: Alchemist21, Davesaz (note davesaz's contingency on wilky flip, its the main reason he's here)
medtown: Man with no name
weaktown: Mariar, Kaede Akamatsu, Tchill13

null: other people

more than slightly scummy but not really deserving of same category as hebichan: Ramcius
scummy: Hebichan
vscum: Wilky

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Oh look suddenly ppl derailing wagons.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

if Tchill is town, and wilky scum this is pretty telling tbh.

[Ouroboros]

I'm derailing wagons that aren't necessarily on scum, yeah, I guess?

Also I'm shifting gears, Hebichan scumgame in Play The Hits was not quite what I was expecting and this game is just weak from her regardless of alignment.
It's no longer something explicitly in her scum meta fmpov so I'm going to put Ramcius as my #2 pick for scum and just say Hebichan is still null and needs to do more.

if Tchill is town, and wilky scum this is pretty telling tbh.

For who in particular?

I think Ramcius for sure, a few others are maybes

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I'm derailing wagons that aren't necessarily on scum, yeah, I guess?

I actually was referring to the wagon on wilky.

For who in particular?

I think Ramcius for sure, a few others are maybes

I'd have to look back at the votes to be sure, but i think whoever just sheeped the first 1 or 2 votes on tchill could be scum if wilky is scum and tchill town.

[Ouroboros]

Verylazy I'm at least somewhat concerned about being SvS but I don't want to fall into the trap of just saying everyone who is wrong is scum here

[Ramcius]

final answer
I would lean it a few percentage points towards it being his town meta although this result isn't especially conclusive
definitely enough to not want to lynch him today, yall can clusterfuck him later in the game when me and anony are gone if you want

@Ramcius???????????????????????????????????????????????????/
How the fuck is he scum trying to take advantage of miller claims in what way does claiming that as scum take advantage of miller claims?

Are you believe some weird hider claim that isn't weak? Or it's more likely scum trying smuggle in some fishy claim during confusion caused by millers and attracting less attention than it would get normally, and simultaneously getting protection form investigative roles?

[Ouroboros]

? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ?? ? ?

Why would he just not claim it if that was an issue on his radar? Why would he ever be getting protection from investigative roles when he explicitly claimed something that doesn't require investigative roles?

You're just scum pushing a mislynch to distract from Wilky here well over 90% of the time.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Well except you're trying to put it as if that's the only possible option.
A hider that doesnt die when hiding on scum? that seems useless yes, but if you reverse your thinking, you could say it's a commuter with a weakness towards night kills.

[Ouroboros]

Hey, aren't you going to the Great Fairy's shrine near the north gate?

[Ramcius]

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Why would he just not claim it if that was an issue on his radar? Why would he ever be getting protection from investigative roles when he explicitly claimed something that doesn't require investigative roles?

You're just scum pushing a mislynch to distract from Wilky here well over 90% of the time.

VOTE: Wilky

fine, have your way

[Ouroboros]

[davesaz]

I think a TChill wagon is a good way to get a better read on TChill (and others).
Generally speaking I think having several wagons go places in a day is good.

[Ouroboros]

You can have wagons go places tomorrow, I want to get momentum and lynch scum.

My current WIM for strongarming town into doing my bidding is at an all time low and I want to strike while the iron is hot and not allow scumwilky to lurk until people forget him in favour of newer, more exciting wagons.

[Tchill13]

I agree with all the hider discussion on this page. And TChill is not behaving the same way he did in previous games where we were town together.
VOTE: TChill

Please don't use meta to read me. I remember playing with you a long time ago. I'm always adjusting my game.

[Tchill13]

VOTE: wilky

We'll go with this.

[wilky]

We don't even know that you both got the same flavor.

VOTE: Wilky

Yeah, I'm feeling this one over dave if we are lynching in millers.

I can pretty much guarantee that we would have got the same flavour due to the way its worded in the role pm.

I mean I brought up the flavour thing and even pointed to which part of the PM it is contained within. As scum I wouldn't know that information if everyone wants me to claim first then that's fine by me.

I was also working off the assumption that there would only be 1 miller tbh and was aiming to catch dave out already but going by what's been said 2 millers is something the mod would definitely do so i'm now beginning to believe both me and dave are millers here.

So we're just assuming that safe claims are given now?

These pinged me as scummy stuff with tmi trying to withhold info. And even without the miller claims I don't really like his tone about the whole miller situation in the first place. Why are you voting Ank? For pressure or because you sr them? I don't think just voting will hurry them up with whatever they're doing.

I wasn't with holding information at all, my idea was to get dave to flavour claim then I would know if he was miller or not. Rest of town have a different view and i'm now happy to flavour claim first.

Also let's be totally clear on what my viewpoint is
My viewpoint is that Wilky IS IN FACT A MILLER BY ROLE. HIS ROLE PM SAYS MILLER.
But he is scum nonetheless.

That is why he claimed miller, having the role, and that is why he immediately gave Davesaz an out to make the situation not a counterclaim.

I get zero vibes from his response that he actually thinks Davesaz is lock scum and the vote felt more of an obligation and that Wilky just wanted to get the situation dealt with.

This is also a completely GIF thing to do, he has put two town millers in multiple previous games and I think it's about time that he screws with that meta by making one scum.

What even would a scum miller be? Is that a thing?

Also, if the mod has done two town vigs in multiple games before the idea of him just randomly changing it up in this game sounds pretty far fetched to me.

well, in my past large themes there wasn't, but i trust you on this

still, i'd prefer Tchill over Wilky, he came after both miller claims, so i feel it might be scum trying take advantage of miller claims

final answer
I would lean it a few percentage points towards it being his town meta although this result isn't especially conclusive
definitely enough to not want to lynch him today, yall can clusterfuck him later in the game when me and anony are gone if you want

@Ramcius???????????????????????????????????????????????????/
How the fuck is he scum trying to take advantage of miller claims in what way does claiming that as scum take advantage of miller claims?

Are you believe some weird hider claim that isn't weak? Or it's more likely scum trying smuggle in some fishy claim during confusion caused by millers and attracting less attention than it would get normally, and simultaneously getting protection form investigative roles?

Yeah I see no advantages at all for a scum!Tchill to claim in the manner he did that would be taking advantage of the miller claims.

? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ?? ? ?

Why would he just not claim it if that was an issue on his radar? Why would he ever be getting protection from investigative roles when he explicitly claimed something that doesn't require investigative roles?

You're just scum pushing a mislynch to distract from Wilky here well over 90% of the time.

VOTE: Wilky

fine, have your way

This seems like such an easy way to hop on to my wagon but brush your hands off any backlash once I flip town.

VOTE: Ramcius

[wilky]

Flavour Claim:

One of my abilities is that I am a prototype synth, my win condition is to eliminate the institute but upon investigation I will show as sided with the institute.

[Ouroboros]

I mean wilky's still scum most of the time but

that ramcius wagon is so, so tempting

[Ouroboros]

VOTE: Ramcius

sure let's have it your way

[Ouroboros]

Wilky is a legendary tier information lynch at this point but meh I would rather lynch the person who is 90% scum vs the person who is like 70ish%

[Ramcius]

This seems like such an easy way to hop on to my wagon but brush your hands off any backlash once I flip town.

VOTE: Ramcius

Maybe, or maybe i just got ML'ed D1 way too many times for going against strong vocal players

P-edit: RC, i don't have gladiator role this time, so i can't change your opinion on me

[Ouroboros]

This seems like such an easy way to hop on to my wagon but brush your hands off any backlash once I flip town.

VOTE: Ramcius

Maybe, or maybe i just got ML'ed D1 way too many times for going against strong vocal players

P-edit: RC, i don't have gladiator role this time, so i can't change your opinion on me

But I wasn't trying to lynch you until you gladiated someone that I was townreading?

[Ramcius]

This seems like such an easy way to hop on to my wagon but brush your hands off any backlash once I flip town.

VOTE: Ramcius

Maybe, or maybe i just got ML'ed D1 way too many times for going against strong vocal players

P-edit: RC, i don't have gladiator role this time, so i can't change your opinion on me

But I wasn't trying to lynch you until you gladiated someone that I was townreading?

Huh? You were strongarming wagon on me, after gladiate you said i'm town and didn't voted, it was funny, whew Kiana in next page asked where's your vote on me