Fallout Mafia - Commonwealth Edition (Day 8)

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Nero Cain

This seems good

[Nero Cain]

y?

[Dunnstral]

Because focusing on negative utility roles is a distraction and is the kind of thing I'd expect scum to be doing if both millers were town

[hebichan]

VOTE: Ramicus

After the catchup, yes.

Though tbh last game I played with ram he gladiated town.

Who's catchup?

Shoulda said after my catch up, sorry.

I still think ram voting himself was scum waffling.

[Nero Cain]

Well, I mean I felt like Dave was scummier than Wilky here and I haven't really changed my mind so....what else do you feel like I should be doing?

[ManWithNoName]

Well, I mean I felt like Dave was scummier than Wilky here and I haven't really changed my mind so....what else do you feel like I should be doing?

I'd like it if you could expand on your dave/wilky viewpoint.

[Ventriloquist]

Just catching up, I'll post shortly.

[Wraith]

Well, I mean I felt like Dave was scummier than Wilky here and I haven't really changed my mind so....what else do you feel like I should be doing?

I feel like this entirely depends on personal interpretation of WIFOM

[Impossibear]

Hey, someone with time and nothing better to do:

Find games GiF's run with multiple millers.
Crossreference playerlists with wilky/dave.
Find any other games with wilky/dave and multiple millers.

Link all of those for me to go through.

TYIA

~Jingle

[wilky]

Hey, someone with time and nothing better to do:

Find games GiF's run with multiple millers.
Crossreference playerlists with wilky/dave.
Find any other games with wilky/dave and multiple millers.

Link all of those for me to go through.

TYIA

~Jingle

I can make this slightly easier for whoever does this if anyone. This is my first game with any sort of miller i'm sure so there won't be any with me and multiple millers.

[Ventriloquist]

Is it not possible Tchill has a jester role of some sort? Not suggesting an insta win but I don't see how his claim could be helpful to town otherwise.

It wouldn't surprise me if Wilky has done research and is relying on the miller claim because he realises the host has done this before, especially since he chose to highlight that it wasn't far fetched for there to be 2 millers again. As Alchemist said though, this is relying on some pretty niche assumptions so I'm not buying it just yet.

[Ventriloquist]

I also have reasons that I can't share for thinking Tchills claim is a lot likelier than people think: that said I don't think the Tchill wagon is really gaining momentum as much as scum are all voting there to distract from caught scum Wilky.

Dave voted for Tchill, are you suggesting both miller claims are from scum, or was this just an overarching comment?

[Ankamius]

Ok, tomorrow I'm going to get myself caught up in this game.

I promise.

[Ventriloquist]

VOTE: Ramcius

agree, that's good wagon

I don't understand why a townie (moreover, anyone) would vote for themselves - seems like you saw a wagon forming and then panicked to try and loosen the noose around your neck. Also, why change your vote to Wilky seemingly just because Ouroboros called you out for it? Please explain your logic.

VOTE: Ramcius

[RadiantCowbells]

Ventriloquist also extraordinarily scummy opener
Ramcius pretty scummy

:shrug:

scumreading too many people, I guess I'll just hope that the outrageously scummy ones are in fact scum

ima check if what I'm seeing here is incompatible with Ramcius's town meta because if it isn't I might vote Ventrlioquist

[Ventriloquist]

Ventriloquist also extraordinarily scummy opener

Care to elaborate?

[Ouroboros]

Ventriloquist also extraordinarily scummy opener
Ramcius pretty scummy

:shrug:

scumreading too many people, I guess I'll just hope that the outrageously scummy ones are in fact scum

ima check if what I'm seeing here is incompatible with Ramcius's town meta because if it isn't I might vote Ventrlioquist

Apologies hydra slip

Uh it's a bunch of things

the way you talk to ramcius
the way you go from Tchill's claim has no scum motivation -> jester as opposed to some sort of scum
the innate waffling, the way you feel like you're making a show of demanding input as opposed to any real throught process

[MariaR]

VOTE: Nero Cain

This seems good

Because focusing on negative utility roles is a distraction and is the kind of thing I'd expect scum to be doing if both millers were town

VOTE: Nero

[Ouroboros]

ayy our boi has 0 Ramcius has 0 scum games to fall back on. At least, uh, I kinda feel like the stuff I'm scumreading him for is stuff that wasn't present in either of our past games?

[Ouroboros]

Do you think there are two millers in this game?

In my last GIF game a miller claimed, I pmed GIF 'so who is the second miller', then someone else fakeclaimed miller.

Then I deathtunneled one of them to get lots of reactions and had the game mostly solved D1

[Ouroboros]

Err I'm drunk or something. SOMEON EELSE REAL CLAIMED MILLER.

[Ventriloquist]

Ventriloquist also extraordinarily scummy opener
Ramcius pretty scummy

:shrug:

scumreading too many people, I guess I'll just hope that the outrageously scummy ones are in fact scum

ima check if what I'm seeing here is incompatible with Ramcius's town meta because if it isn't I might vote Ventrlioquist

Apologies hydra slip

Uh it's a bunch of things

the way you talk to ramcius
the way you go from Tchill's claim has no scum motivation -> jester as opposed to some sort of scum
the innate waffling, the way you feel like you're making a show of demanding input as opposed to any real throught process

Ramcius has not explained their reasoning, just randomly changed their votes because they were being pressured. MWNN has also been pretty fickle with their votes but I'd rather pressure Ramcius rather than let them ignore this and hope the wagon moves to someone else.

The Tchill point was just an observation that no one had raised up to now - is it not worthy of consideration?

As for legitimate thought process, I opened this thread to see 200 plus posts, I haven't had time to go in depth to the same level as yourself. My guess is that you're reading almost everyone as scum to try and stimulate discussion/get a reaction but I don't know how you usually play.

[Ouroboros]

Why would you assume that I'm reading everyone as scum for reaction purposes as opposed to thinking that I'm scum or thinking that I'm town who is just going full blown harakiri mode on everyone.

Worthy of consideration, sure or not sure, but it's a strange thing to bring up and it says a lot about your thought processes.

[Ankamius]

Also, wheeeeeeeeeee

UNVOTE: wilky
VOTE: verylazy

[Ouroboros]

I think Ramcius scumflip heavily townspews Wilky and likely Tchill as well
I was in fact reaction testing Ventriloquist, response was okay enough I guess.