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Post Post #5 (isolation #0) » Mon May 07, 2018 3:17 pm

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Post Post #16 (isolation #1) » Tue May 08, 2018 1:38 am

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In post 13, Mathdino wrote:3. I don't think the solution to "it's hard to come up with an answer for SK/multiball setups" is "never ask the question". I've seen or played a bunch of multiball normals that were fine in the realm of balance/swing. This was, of course, when there were more reviewers to go around.
My understanding is the consensus needs to be on a town:scum1:scum2 EV ratio of 33:33:33 or 50:25:25. It's possible to balance toward either.
SK and Multiball in large normals still exist.
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Post Post #18 (isolation #2) » Tue May 08, 2018 1:52 am

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Multiball minis are fucking terrible dude imo.
SKs ok sure fine but Multiball shouldn't ever be a thing especially in 13 player games.
No one was even running Multiball normal minis to begin with so like, there's 0 problem there.
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Post Post #19 (isolation #3) » Tue May 08, 2018 1:54 am

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Stop encouraging bad game design imo.
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Post Post #22 (isolation #4) » Tue May 08, 2018 2:02 am

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except the open thread had millions of multiball games.
More multiball mini opens have been ran for awhile then multiball minis.

"stop encouraging bad game design" is kinda joke except it isn't because in the normal queue its expected that the game design be "good" (and the fact that normals have good design is a joke but thats a different story for a different time)
In the open queue, ok fine.
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Post Post #25 (isolation #5) » Tue May 08, 2018 5:10 am

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Atleast mandatory reviewing didn’t get cut
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Post Post #73 (isolation #6) » Wed May 09, 2018 6:05 am

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In post 71, callforjudgement wrote:they might even ask you!
this happens?
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Post Post #76 (isolation #7) » Wed May 09, 2018 11:03 am

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In post 57, Nexus wrote:Why don’t we see how it goes rather than tearing it down before it starts?
Yeah we're not the problems with the site let's let it die.
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Post Post #77 (isolation #8) » Wed May 09, 2018 11:10 am

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Ya know what would be great
If the site was way more liberal then the Skittles team wants to be
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Post Post #88 (isolation #9) » Thu May 10, 2018 1:37 pm

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In post 87, Gustavo wrote:Not having SK is going to be sad.
no this is a good change
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Post Post #121 (isolation #10) » Fri May 11, 2018 1:52 pm

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In post 114, RadiantCowbells wrote:I think that Alisae is responsible for the failings of the normal queue and I advocate promptly permabanning him to restore the normal queue to its former glory.
Lmao good post :]
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Post Post #124 (isolation #11) » Fri May 11, 2018 3:39 pm

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I thought about joining NRG
But then I realized that would be a mistake
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Post Post #129 (isolation #12) » Sat May 12, 2018 3:07 am

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But Fire that would be a mistaaaaaaaaake
A terrible terrible mistaaaaaaaaaaaake

I’ll only join NRG if V joins NRG
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Post Post #199 (isolation #13) » Sun Mar 24, 2019 8:55 pm

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Ty Implosion, if I was smart enough to come up with some of these terms or concepts in 2017, I might have used some of them!
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Post Post #256 (isolation #14) » Fri Dec 06, 2019 4:58 pm

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wow dunn thats a cool role you found there!
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Post Post #291 (isolation #15) » Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:11 am

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Question:
Why do you guys want Traitor to be normal?
Why is the role fun to play?
I don’t get it maybe I don’t see the fun in the role.
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Post Post #293 (isolation #16) » Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:13 am

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Post Post #294 (isolation #17) » Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:17 am

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In post 291, Alisae wrote:Why is the role fun to play?
I don’t get it maybe I don’t see the fun in the role.
This is important btw
Its super important to make sure your game is going to be fun to play.

I get the design elements behind it and the depth it allows for, but if its not a fun role to play, who cares
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Post Post #319 (isolation #18) » Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:36 am

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Can suicide bomber be normal?
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Post Post #356 (isolation #19) » Wed Dec 11, 2019 12:50 pm

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In post 319, Alisae wrote:Can suicide bomber be normal?
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Post Post #362 (isolation #20) » Wed Dec 11, 2019 12:55 pm

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In post 357, Ircher wrote:
In post 356, Alisae wrote:
In post 319, Alisae wrote:Can suicide bomber be normal?
I don't see any immediate issues other than it being a Day action.
both sides can have 1 so it being a day action is fine no?
and even then it can be night action

tbh, day could be a modifier thats normalized but only for certain roles.
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Post Post #375 (isolation #21) » Wed Dec 11, 2019 1:47 pm

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In post 373, Oversoul wrote:
In post 370, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 369, Oversoul wrote:I would like to put forth the role modifier if Fragile - dies if targeted by an ability or if it uses an ability.
That sounds so unfun to play...
Coming from the man that doesn’t vote. :shifty:
your modifier is unfun to play
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Post Post #484 (isolation #22) » Sat Feb 15, 2020 10:29 am

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@Implo, is it possible you can get the roles listed on the wiki to be ordered alphabetically
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Post Post #500 (isolation #23) » Mon May 04, 2020 10:01 am

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yeah its called a Cop.
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Post Post #502 (isolation #24) » Mon May 04, 2020 10:11 am

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A. Implo most likely will not want to have a role that nullifies the Miller. He doesn't want Godfathers in queue but wants Millers and he talked about why somewhere in this thread.
B. I'm pretty sure in normal games Cops get Town or Mafia and that only comes up in Multiball games but even then I still think its Town or Mafia but not 100% on this.
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Post Post #572 (isolation #25) » Sun Nov 22, 2020 2:08 am

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Finder targets player declares vanilla town or mafia goon
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Post Post #573 (isolation #26) » Sun Nov 22, 2020 2:12 am

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sounds like a better vanilla cop to me cuz you have to name a role and for you to get a positive result, it would have to be that specific role.
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Post Post #575 (isolation #27) » Sun Nov 22, 2020 2:35 am

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I honestly don't really get what it adds to the queue personally.
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Post Post #576 (isolation #28) » Sun Nov 22, 2020 2:37 am

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though on second thought, i have a pretty funny setup in mind that I could use with this said "universal finder"
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Post Post #577 (isolation #29) » Sun Nov 22, 2020 3:11 am

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Actually so the above setup I'm just going to post here, because quite frankly, I don't think its fun enough to warrant being ran.

But the way I came up with using this role is to troll whoever gets it.
Because of how the role works, I feel like the player would most likely want to guess Vanilla Townie or Mafia Goon

But what if there was only 1 vanilla townie and 0 mafia goons? Then suddenly you get to watch something thats really funny.

Here are some things you can do with this. I feel like if you are doing any of these things, you're making the game for your entertainment rather then it being an actual like good or fun game, which is why I'm posting these ideas here, but
You can
- throw in a bunch of neighbors. Make them aligned with each other or not, up2u.
- throw in multiple universal finders because the player will likely think that they're unique and not guess their own role.
- add in roles that aren't vanilla townie or mafia goon but also don't add any real power to the game. There are plenty of them.
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Post Post #581 (isolation #30) » Sun Nov 22, 2020 6:18 am

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In post 580, Gamma Emerald wrote:Also I think finder wouldn’t differentiate between VT and goon, like Rolecop does
then what's the point.
At that point you're just playing a more unfun rolecop
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Post Post #583 (isolation #31) » Sun Nov 22, 2020 7:12 am

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Do you think the role in its current state has a reason to exist within the normal queue or is it just bloat?
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Post Post #586 (isolation #32) » Sun Nov 22, 2020 9:12 am

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Akarin what niche do you feel like the role fills?
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Post Post #1116 (isolation #33) » Wed Jul 26, 2023 5:51 pm

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In post 1115, Civil Scum wrote: Can anyone tell me what the typical Day length is on a Normal game?

Also am I the only person who hates mafia day-talk?
10-14 days.

Curious about anti day-talk arguments.
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Post Post #1142 (isolation #34) » Wed Aug 30, 2023 5:09 am

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Why is it that a multiball game can be considered normal?
It’s a game type that I think only rly appears in open and normal queues. I don’t remember the last time a multiball game was ran outside of those queues (third parties don’t count here)
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Post Post #1184 (isolation #35) » Wed Sep 06, 2023 7:54 am

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are any of these new additions going through NRG before they hit the queue or are they just being added because guy on forum post said "this would be a good idea"
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Post Post #1202 (isolation #36) » Wed Sep 06, 2023 9:17 pm

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I mean while we’re at it with the suggestions, I think multiball (SK fine) kind of doesn’t rly have a place in the normal queue anymore
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Post Post #1205 (isolation #37) » Wed Sep 06, 2023 11:54 pm

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Multiball is not normal
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Post Post #1207 (isolation #38) » Thu Sep 07, 2023 6:35 am

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Traitor I don’t think effects hunting that much but it is a very difficult role to play well.
U do bring up a point that I don’t rly remember the last time traitor or multiball was ran outside of the normal/open queues.

If the normal queue is supposed to be representative of what is popular on the site, why is something niche like multiball that is very rarely run outside of the normal queue normal? Just doesn’t make sense to me.
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Post Post #1211 (isolation #39) » Thu Sep 07, 2023 7:35 am

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In post 1208, DragonEater70 wrote: I think implosion explained somewhere (or maybe it was someone else, not sure) that Normal is supposed to represent what is considered MAFIA, rather than a variation of the game.
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Post Post #1213 (isolation #40) » Thu Sep 07, 2023 7:59 am

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Let me rephrase
Multiball is rarely seen in the theme queues.
I think you would have to break down how many large theme queues had multiball games.

Actually, I think the only place to really find multiball larges IS the normal queue.
I don't recall the last time a multiball game was ran as a mini theme but I think it would be rare to see one.
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Post Post #1215 (isolation #41) » Thu Sep 07, 2023 8:04 am

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The first thing I think about when I think of the normal queue is a standard game of mafia with no bullshit or advanced mechanics that make an average game of mafia harder.
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Post Post #1220 (isolation #42) » Thu Sep 07, 2023 9:25 am

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In post 1219, DragonEater70 wrote:
In post 1213, Alisae wrote: I don't recall the last time a multiball game was ran as a mini theme but I think it would be rare to see one.
Around April, the game was called Conception and was 2:2:9
that is 1 game
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