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Post Post #584 (isolation #200) » Tue May 08, 2018 3:05 am

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And Fumuki should feel bad for how hard they defended shaddowez and immediately punishing that shit with a Lynch makes the lesson stick harder so.
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Post Post #585 (isolation #201) » Tue May 08, 2018 3:23 am

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I'm not a fan of new lurker nsg.
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Post Post #589 (isolation #202) » Tue May 08, 2018 3:27 am

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I have read it.
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Post Post #590 (isolation #203) » Tue May 08, 2018 3:32 am

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Something something me being gone from site :P
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Post Post #592 (isolation #204) » Tue May 08, 2018 4:05 am

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Your view on scum play is kinda bad, no offense.

Do we wanna just clusterfuck GL and give him an early birthday present or do we want to Lynch Fumuki
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Post Post #602 (isolation #205) » Tue May 08, 2018 4:36 am

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Gonna just go for the higher equity play

VOTE: GL

If he's the vig this is on lock anyway
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Post Post #606 (isolation #206) » Tue May 08, 2018 4:46 am

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Because you thought he was the vig?
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Post Post #607 (isolation #207) » Tue May 08, 2018 4:47 am

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Hiraki kill was clearly made in defense of shaddowez anyway
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Post Post #608 (isolation #208) » Tue May 08, 2018 4:49 am

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If it wasn't straight up a vig read
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Post Post #611 (isolation #209) » Tue May 08, 2018 4:52 am

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I agree with that with the caveat that I should live obviously. But I suspect being the vig kill if we mislynch

Tbh I'm floored that neither vig noe scum shot me
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Post Post #612 (isolation #210) » Tue May 08, 2018 4:53 am

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Obvious answer is still that the weird unequal treatment of GL and TW was toen vs scum: hopefully one of you two is vig so we can just call it a day.
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Post Post #613 (isolation #211) » Tue May 08, 2018 4:56 am

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Also its a pretty ludicrous position to hold that scum has to be one of the people who heavily scumread flipped scum: if two townies minimum caught scum, why not 3?
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Post Post #614 (isolation #212) » Tue May 08, 2018 4:58 am

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Not that I disagree with it.

I'm more just antsy about not feeling absolutely 200% sure NSG is scum and being scared to do things that would get me to that point because it would make me an easy mislynch.

I wish I could not get scumread.
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Post Post #616 (isolation #213) » Tue May 08, 2018 4:59 am

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Ok then let's 1v1
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Post Post #620 (isolation #214) » Tue May 08, 2018 5:08 am

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Nsg was the invisibility wagon.
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Post Post #627 (isolation #215) » Tue May 08, 2018 7:15 am

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VOTE: nsg
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Post Post #628 (isolation #216) » Tue May 08, 2018 7:22 am

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Your contribution to this game has been
-asking me bad questions about my approach to the game
-never engaging with alternative wagons including an l1 on scum besides to discourage it without explicitly outing a townread
-creating a flashwagon on one of my townreads then ducking responsibility for the townflip

If you're town you should start doing better.
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Post Post #629 (isolation #217) » Tue May 08, 2018 7:24 am

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The answer is a resounding yes by the way.
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Post Post #631 (isolation #218) » Tue May 08, 2018 7:37 am

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In post 629, RadiantCowbells wrote:The answer is a resounding yes by the way.
I'm tired of the minimalism intentional or not.

Talk to me.
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Post Post #633 (isolation #219) » Tue May 08, 2018 7:41 am

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You can call it getting a rise if it makes you feel better to spin it in that light but if you continue to not engage with me I will lynch you 100% of the time today.
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Post Post #634 (isolation #220) » Tue May 08, 2018 8:22 am

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Playing with people that I find fun to play with is a lot less fun when they don't actually play the game with me. :(
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Post Post #641 (isolation #221) » Tue May 08, 2018 10:52 am

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Interesting theory: what if scum thought my townread on Hiraki was because I thought they were vig and they thought that my read was right?
I bring this up because I remember a newbie game where Creature killed someone heavily scumread because I locktowned them early due to a PR read and they were in fact PR

GL has the most pointing to them being scum here in my opinion given Shaddowez making excuses for not voting them
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Post Post #646 (isolation #222) » Tue May 08, 2018 11:00 am

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In post 644, northsidegal wrote:RC, you realize that there's a lot i've been thinking that i can't say about fumuki given that i'm the mod of a game he was in, right? (a game that's still ongoing and where his slot is still alive)
Ok. Forget the why, what is your read on him and how convinced are you of that read?
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Post Post #650 (isolation #223) » Tue May 08, 2018 11:14 am

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{RC}
{NSG, probably, if she's scum I'm going to tear the shit out of her if she tries to slank in the future so I'll take it}
{TW/Ceejay}
{GL/Fumuki}

I"m going to do one last reread and see where I stand
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Post Post #652 (isolation #224) » Tue May 08, 2018 11:18 am

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I'll lynch fumuki if everyone agrees that I'm not scum.
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Post Post #654 (isolation #225) » Tue May 08, 2018 11:26 am

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if I'm in contention to be lynched/vigged then I am going to sit here until I'm sure I know who the scum is.
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Post Post #658 (isolation #226) » Tue May 08, 2018 2:50 pm

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Alright we're doing this the hard way then.

Ceejay, give reads and thoughts on the game please.
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Post Post #660 (isolation #227) » Tue May 08, 2018 5:17 pm

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That is a pretty shallow read. Maybe he was engaging lurkers because his partner was on the chopping block and he wanted someone else to be a viable mislynch?
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Post Post #662 (isolation #228) » Tue May 08, 2018 5:27 pm

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I really have difficulty buying that's an actual read that you have.
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Post Post #663 (isolation #229) » Tue May 08, 2018 5:33 pm

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(Also Fumuki explicitly gave them a town read for... being scummy because apparently they wouldn't be scummy if they were actually scum...?)

Honestly I'm starting to think Fumuki has decent town equity so that's making GL seem more likely but also making me want to reconsider you since my TR on you is kinda a meme.
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Post Post #664 (isolation #230) » Tue May 08, 2018 5:35 pm

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NSG are you sure you're not me
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Post Post #665 (isolation #231) » Tue May 08, 2018 5:36 pm

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I'm reading your ISO again and I'm getting the distinct impression that I'm reading my own ISO at points.
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Post Post #667 (isolation #232) » Tue May 08, 2018 5:37 pm

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But in other news: how sure are you that Ceejay is actually town? I was fine giving them a lazy townread but now Fumuki's kinda towned up, TW I was never scumreading, there's you, there's GL and there's CJ and like There really isn't a good reason to townread CJ I think.
1. He would have gone around asking silly questions
2. Would not defend me like that
3. Would sheep the hell out of anyone that said anything to him just as well change of opinion if pressed in something less concrete
Your ideas of what scum would and wouldn't do are frankly awful and you need to stop basing reads on them.
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Post Post #669 (isolation #233) » Tue May 08, 2018 5:40 pm

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I mean we can clusterfuck GL but where do we go if he's town?
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Post Post #670 (isolation #234) » Tue May 08, 2018 5:40 pm

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It may not sound specifically different from his scum game but who says that his scum game is going to be hugely different from that?
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Post Post #671 (isolation #235) » Tue May 08, 2018 5:42 pm

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Okay I did my own work and I'll say... okay?

So then it's probably just GL, yeah?
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Post Post #673 (isolation #236) » Tue May 08, 2018 5:44 pm

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No dude like your meta read on him can be fine let's not talk about ongoing games but your read on what CJ would definitely do and what Shaddow would definitely do are both horribly wrong.
Like CJ white knighting you is probably more scum indicative than him hard pushing your mislynch. I'm not saying this to be mean or call you scum I'm saying that you're wrong.
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Post Post #675 (isolation #237) » Tue May 08, 2018 5:45 pm

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What do you guess that being RC feels like?
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Post Post #676 (isolation #238) » Tue May 08, 2018 5:47 pm

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And in the interests of honesty yeah I was trying to provoke a reaction earlier to try to get you to engage with this game
I'm not a fan of your current minimalist playstyle and I would prefer you engage me more both so that I can read you better and so that we can get somewhere in terms of our mutual reads
I don't think that whatever playing your cards close to the chest thing that you're doing here is improving your play. I will push you for it in future games.
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Post Post #678 (isolation #239) » Tue May 08, 2018 5:49 pm

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Not with your readset it doesn't.
You were completely dead wrong to the point of basically game throwing to the point that if this game weren't a micro you'd just be an autolynch on principle for the way you defended shaddowez.
If you're going to push stuff I will lynch you at this point because even if the odds of your being scum is low (which I'm uncertain about) you're a huge negative contribution to the town day play wise
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Post Post #679 (isolation #240) » Tue May 08, 2018 5:52 pm

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Like if you didn't exist Shaddowez would have been an early lynch 100% of the time yesterday but your entrance was so poor and your townread on Shaddowez pushed so ridiculously that you derailed a quicklynch on scum.
That's on you. I'm not letting you screw up anything else. You can calm down, realize that whatever you're doing to generate your reads is many times worse than randomly generating them, and let other people do things.
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Post Post #685 (isolation #241) » Tue May 08, 2018 5:59 pm

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Between the fact that

1) Literally only 2 people townread me for the first like 15 pages and they were GL and Shaddowez.
2) That is the advice GL gives to his scumteam virtually all of the time.
3) Shaddowez made an excuse for not voting GL then voted TW but was very showy about it
4) I have a reason to townread literally every non GL slot
5) GL has been doing some weird stuff, particularly townreading me but

yeah I feel like the play here is to lynch GL and vig Fumuki

I think the game almost never continues past that.
fumuki feels slightly disengaged / uninterested in this game in a way that i feel makes him more likely to be scum.

he even joined saying that it was for the playerlist, but i just don't get the sense that he's all that engaged.
K well I'll lynch Fumuki for various reasons but I think that it's GL so I would prefer to lynch there and I'd prefer you trust me there.
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Post Post #689 (isolation #242) » Tue May 08, 2018 6:00 pm

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In post 684, northsidegal wrote:
In post 676, RadiantCowbells wrote:And in the interests of honesty yeah I was trying to provoke a reaction earlier to try to get you to engage with this game
I'm not a fan of your current minimalist playstyle and I would prefer you engage me more both so that I can read you better and so that we can get somewhere in terms of our mutual reads
I don't think that whatever playing your cards close to the chest thing that you're doing here is improving your play. I will push you for it in future games.
like i said, i have incredibly little that i feel comfortable in saying given what's going on.
It's fine. I'll punch a hole in the wall if you're scum (no I won't I'm not actually a violent person) and never let you get away with slanking in the future if you're scum.
But regardless I just want to feel like I'm playing the game with people as opposed to just making posts into an abyss.
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Post Post #694 (isolation #243) » Tue May 08, 2018 6:03 pm

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I'm not entirely convinced I lynch Fumuki in 3 way
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Post Post #696 (isolation #244) » Tue May 08, 2018 6:05 pm

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But like it's just GL I think
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Post Post #701 (isolation #245) » Tue May 08, 2018 6:10 pm

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VOTE: fumuki

get bent.
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Post Post #706 (isolation #246) » Tue May 08, 2018 6:11 pm

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=]
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Post Post #708 (isolation #247) » Tue May 08, 2018 6:12 pm

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Your scum play was a lot better than I thought it would be.

But as soon as you did that I knew I should hammer

that wasn't a rage hammer
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Post Post #711 (isolation #248) » Tue May 08, 2018 6:12 pm

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like immediate flash forward to you getting to 3 way saying that you thought that you were actually hammering and not getting lynched and it felt bad man.
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Post Post #713 (isolation #249) » Tue May 08, 2018 6:15 pm

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I hammered to make sure I didn't get nked btw, was scared of getting shot even though I thought I did a great job of not vig telling

I was always shooting shadowwez at night
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Post Post #717 (isolation #250) » Tue May 08, 2018 6:19 pm

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lol

I just wanted to seem not vig and I wasn't sure you were town so you seemed like a good target to bait the nightkill to
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Post Post #718 (isolation #251) » Tue May 08, 2018 6:20 pm

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did you know I was vig fumuki?
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Post Post #719 (isolation #252) » Tue May 08, 2018 6:20 pm

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gl please forgive
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Post Post #720 (isolation #253) » Tue May 08, 2018 6:20 pm

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In post 719, RadiantCowbells wrote:gl please forgive
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Post Post #721 (isolation #254) » Tue May 08, 2018 6:21 pm

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In post 720, RadiantCowbells wrote:
In post 719, RadiantCowbells wrote:gl please forgive
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Post Post #722 (isolation #255) » Tue May 08, 2018 6:21 pm

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Post Post #724 (isolation #256) » Tue May 08, 2018 6:22 pm

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I'm not sure tbh
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Post Post #725 (isolation #257) » Tue May 08, 2018 6:22 pm

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Btw can anyone figure out my vig crumb because it's pretty legendary
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Post Post #729 (isolation #258) » Tue May 08, 2018 6:24 pm

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<3
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Post Post #733 (isolation #259) » Tue May 08, 2018 6:25 pm

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you really shouldn't have done that until the flip happened. always preferable for me to get shot tonight and bring you to 3 way in the off chance he's trolling us.
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Post Post #735 (isolation #260) » Tue May 08, 2018 6:26 pm

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oh
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Post Post #736 (isolation #261) » Tue May 08, 2018 6:27 pm

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yeah I wanted to die N1 so I didn't get lynched later in the game, thought people would think that was vig play by me
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Post Post #738 (isolation #262) » Tue May 08, 2018 6:27 pm

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Yeah I was trying really hard to look like I was trying really hard to not look like the vig. I guess I wasn't viggy enough in general.
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Post Post #741 (isolation #263) » Tue May 08, 2018 6:28 pm

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Damn I'm annoyed I called the scumteam and then I decided that you wouldn't actually be this ludicrous hard defending your buddy. I'm salty.
Also my pet theory about Shaddowez's unequal treatment of the two slots :cry:
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Post Post #743 (isolation #264) » Tue May 08, 2018 6:29 pm

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grr

that could have really easily been a perfect win

why did we lynch invisibility >_<
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Post Post #747 (isolation #265) » Tue May 08, 2018 6:31 pm

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I take no credit for the twilight meanness that was entirely performance art

but sorry if I was mean to people today specifically CJ but I was right that that logic was ridiculous :x
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