Open 721: Pick Your Poison (Game Over)

[Oxy]

VOTE: uglyduck
try to keep the dino one more day. Not sure that they won't just sac draynth and kill you anyway

If we mislynch today, we hit draynth tomorrow without any discussion.

[pinturicchio]

ruru could be scum if AND ONLY if Dino is scum, nothing more, nothing more, nothing less. So @scumteam if ruru and Dino are town, you will have to leave Dino alive to make us believe ruru could be scum, what a pickle! But there's absolutely no chance of ruru being scum and Dino being town at the same time

@Dino this is all you need to know about ruru; you being conf!town basically confirmed town!ruru

[ruru]

If we mislynch today, we hit draynth tomorrow without any discussion.

I disagree, also because reasons

[Oxy]

great, thanks for that addition to the conversation, ruru.

If we mislynch today, we hit draynth tomorrow because that way if draynth is actually town, we can still lynch pintu in 5-player mylo.

If we mislynch today, it would be game throwing to not lynch within the pr's tomorrow.

[Oxy]

mylo.

lylo*

[AP]

VOTE: Draynth

Thus us the mechanically correct lynch. Even if we are wrong then pintu becomes conf!scum and we can reevaluate our reads based on it.
If we're right though we have a second IC, so whichever of Dino/pintu dies tonight we have another one whom we

know

is town.

[ruru]

BTW, it's not for a reason ya'll know.

I'm pretty sure I have (my first!) solid meta tell on ruru

Actually how does this work

I feel like I'm super different in this game and (especially without knowing my alignment 100%) what makes one of those differences a tell?

[Oxy]

I'll tell you what I thought the tell was if you flip scum.

Otherwise, I'm keeping this one for future uses

[Sunshine13]

VOTE: Draynth

Thus us the mechanically correct lynch. Even if we are wrong then pintu becomes conf!scum and we can reevaluate our reads based on it.
If we're right though we have a second IC, so whichever of Dino/pintu dies tonight we have another one whom we

know

is town.

This, for the love of all that is holy. A Draynth lynch sorts one player if he flips town, two if he’s scum.

VOTE: Draynth

[Oxy]

VOTE: draynth

yeah, okay.

L-1

[pinturicchio]

VOTE: Draynth

Can I be the new Not_Mafia?

[UglyDuck]

I mean I am fairly certain that was hammer, but I see no reason to not make sure of it

vote:Draynth

[ruru]

Okay well Draynth is definitely scum because if he were town he would have jailed skitter

Regardless of nk, if skitter claimed roleblocked start of d3, he's conftown
If there was an nk, pin would also be confscum (unless scum!skitter somehow predicted that she should claim roleblocked out of the blue to mislynch pin)

I wanted to keep him alive so that scum continue to play suboptimally and shoot non-conftown

I completely agree that had we lynched a VT today, we should have lynched Draynth tomorrow btw, I just didn't want scum to think I thought that

[Draynth]

I was jk :/

[Draynth]

Sorry guys bad game from me, was very busy irl

[ruru]

Oh my god

Hardclaiming insane cop

[brassherald]

Votecount 3.1 and 3 Final

Draynth(5)

~ Mathdino(12), AP(1), Sunshine13(1), Oxy(7), pinturicchio(3)

-- HAMMER

UglyDuck(1)

~ ruru(8)

pinturicchio(1)

~ Draynth(7)


Not Voting (2): UglyDuck(1), northsidegal(3)

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

Day 3 deadline is in (expired on 2018-05-18 07:00:00)

Mod Notes

You guys are maniacs

[brassherald]

End of Day 3

The patrons had barely entered when Draynth said

"You know what? I forgot my jail keys today, I'd better go get them."

As he turned to walk out the door, the bartender stood in his way with the same shot glass, it seemed to be starting to crack a bit now, though.

"Sir, before you can leave, someone has to drink this. No one gets to just walk out of here."

Draynth attempted to refuse the drink, and get past the bartender, but a chant started of

"drink, Drink, DRINK...."

until, finally abating, Draynth did the inevitable and had the drink offered to him. He opened the door and immediately fell over saying,

"But, I'm the Jailkeeper."

After his death, the bartender brought him back into the bar and said,

"He's not the Jailkeeper, they use those newfangled key cards these days. He was a

Mafia Goon

I figured it out when he showed up with the poisonous breadcrumbs from the bread that killed the worst on his money yesterday. You're lucky I'm here."

Night 3 begins, deadline will end in (expired on 2018-05-10 16:30:00) If anyone objects to an accelerated night, should all night actions be submitted before the end of the night, please inform me.

[brassherald]

End of Night 3

This time, 7 people walk onto the street and scan the faces as they walk into the bar. As they get to the bar, a man with a white dress shirt, black tie and a clipboard is walking out, writing notes.

The 7 enter and see the bartender there,

"Ah, my favorite customers! I see that Mathdino has vanished from our midst. Doesn't surprise me, Dinosaurs are a myth anyway. So, he was never really here, was he?"

The 7 look around confused.

"Well, as you already know, the figment of our collective imagination, Mathdino, was a

Town Innocent Child

I did quite like the special effects that made him seem realistic, though, almost as if way back in 1993, they figured out a way to make dinosaurs look real and then forgot."

[brassherald]

Start of Day 4

Vote Count 4.0

Not Voting:

AP, Sunshine13, UglyDuck, NorthSideGal, Oxy, pinturicchio, ruru

With 7 alive, it takes 4 votes to lynch.
Deadline: (expired on 2018-05-19 07:00:00)

[ruru]

VOTE: UglyDuck

[Oxy]

VOTE: uglyduck

[pinturicchio]

Can we get some associations between Draynth, Not_Mafia and the other players? Just for the old times

[Oxy]

Every mention of Draynth by UglyDuck, and UglyDuck by Draynth
There is nothing in here to rule them out as partners. Honestly, some of it is odd (one questions the other's alignment, and then never brings it up again, etc.), but could potentially be explained by how disconnected they have been from the game.

Spoiler:

UglyDuck - Waiting for content.

Draynth - Not a lot to go off of, but reads seem OK. I mean I disagree with his top two pushes, but I think for anyone to be pushing Math/TW right now I would of been granting some TP to because there has to be like a 0% chance they get lynched today.

I'm worried about UglyDuck purely because it seems like he's only saying anything when he's directly mentioned / being scumread

1) Draynth - While I feel Skum would normally be more apparent when so many drivers are present in the game, I can't get over the timing of their reactions. Everytime they come up in conversation they then come into the game. I suppose this is what lazy town would do as well, but just their overall demeanor feels off.

In response to a question by Ruru:

6) Daynth - we seem to agree. I can't really argue with your assessment on me seeming similar, but I have been told I think more than I post. In regards to the post I think I remember - something like "post your TW and Math Wall"... honestly.. I don't like useless walls. See the points above... I feel like I pretty much wrapped it up in two sentences Wagon timing is what you want to make of it - not much I can say to that.

meh nevermind was reading backwards.

VOTE: Draynth seems better

@Sunshine:

We may still have problem here, which is town!Draynth (assuming you're correct) isn't playing the game, and thus is even more harmful to town than scum are!

Did you just make the point to lynch a Town!Lurker read over a Skum read?

If that's how you read it.

I mean I don't because who would say that. But like... what (no sarcasm) is the point you are trying to promote? I am reading it as "you are telling sunshine that even if they have a skum read on PlayerX they should consider voting their town read of PlayerY because PlayerY is not up to speed". I am just looking for clarification - I didn't mean for the question to come off as accusatory.

@Ugly: I do see your point, and I'm not arguing against it. I guess didn't totally disregard the possibility Drayth could flip scum after all, so it inadvertently factored in my phrasing.

The way I see it is if Drayth is town he's not doing himself (or us) any favours, and especially so if he is indeed a PR, so I wanted to force a claim out of his slot.

Update: Draynth staying in the shadows until I removed my vote off him THEN coming on to say he won't claim is actually bothering me even more now.

VOTE: Draynth

And Mathdino already stated intent.

Why would you want to force a town PR to claim their spot? no skum PRs possible in this game right, so it would have to be a town PR?

Also, and I am assuredly not defending him, but just pointing out that I think Draynth said (correctly) "I am at L-2 not L-1, so I am not going to claim".

also ballsack to everything bc this is feeling more like a TvT wagon by the second.

Despite him trying to lynch me I think he's probably town.
The only thing I'm concerned about is how easily he tried to jump on NSG with MD (Possible scum partners?) but he said he was reading backwards which if true would make sense.

[Oxy]

some thoughts:

sunshine is okay, so is ruru.
dino and pintu are fine to but cannot be trusted.
not buying mohab's excuse for wanting to get lynched.
oxy seems a lot less opinionated and that's worrying.
the rest is whatever.

Assuming all current claims are correct, and that ruru was too obv!town for scum to push on,

We have a town read for sunshine,

light shade thrown on confirmed town dino and pintu

shade thrown on confirmed town, NSG

shade thrown on town!oxy

If Scioness was scum, this entire list was spewed town, with a small possibility that she put her partner, sunshine, into her early town reads.

Then, later, Scioness is scum reading UD, but also vehemently argues against Ofrhz's scum read on UD:

<snip>

I'm not really seeing this? Someone brought up that vig is anti-town because a vig could just mis-fire on town, so I was trying to get at an optimal vig play here.

I kinda feel like you're going after me for being an easier mislynch than ruru.
VOTE: UglyDuck call it omgus, idgaf

no clue what to think of this, the content as nothing to do with the vote.

This was my case against UglyDuck. I pointed out why several of his reads were bad in a scummy way. His readlist was scummy because 1) wow hedging and 2) UglyDuck probably thought I was an easy lynch and went to push for it based on really bad reasons.

Your 1st point was an observation and a question. Your 2nd point was 'a lot of hedging' and you've bolded where UD has explained why he has Pin in null category and explained what makes UD think pintu is scummy. In your 3rd point, you have disagreed that ruru has any previous experience. In your 4th point, you disagree with him again. None of those explain your why you think those things come from scum nor is it actually a case against UD. Your hedging argument is really meh and in the end, you have called the whole thing omgus. Calling your case against someone omgus is a convenient way to dodge responsibility for your vote and explain weak arguments.

There's not a huge amount in her ISO about why UD is scum - It's basically "wobbly read list" and a lamist post about mohab replacing out.

My TR on oxy is wearing out. Both him and Sajj refuse to vote each other. Sajj even avoided the Draynth wagon and went for a new wagon on ofrhz (did I spell that right?)

glad to know you are reading vcs, sad you are not reading the game though

There is nothing in her iso about why she didn't want to vote draynth. In fact, her entire discussion of draynth is basically one multi paragraph response to an innocuous question by draynth, and this comment.

What I'm saying is, {Draynth, NM, UD} looks pretty darn consistent to me.