Sid Meier's Civilization 5 UPick Mafia (GAME OVER)

[Thor665]

Hello.

Catching up, though I am at work, and also already have all this 'World Congress' jive to dig through, and apparently a Neighborhood I haven't been linked to yet?
So, yeah, don't expect a lot of deep thoughts for a bit.

That said, can we speed wagon someone? People should tell me who the obvious rope eaters are for the day so I can conveniently have my reads target them.
Thanks in advance!

[Thor665]

What about you, do you have a preference for anyone?

[Thor665]

I'm Joey - so Joda can come up with a better case

[Thor665]

What is happening with the resolutions brass/thor?

Probably delayed by me as I didn't put mine in until mid day yesterday, and was trying to drag my heels to get a feel for...like...anything first.
So if they're screwy it's me - I still barely understand how that thing works and I had a mod breathing down my neck.

@Ranmaru - I feel like you're trying to present something interesting on Pidgey there. I have no grounding for what you're saying, can you walk me through it like I'm a dolt who doesn't understand what you're talking about? (it will be easy to pretend...)

[Thor665]

@Ranmaru - I feel like you're trying to present something interesting on Pidgey there. I have no grounding for what you're saying, can you walk me through it like I'm a dolt who doesn't understand what you're talking about? (it will be easy to pretend...)

@Ranmaru

[Thor665]

I would consider it protown to lie about the number of shots you have as a Vig.

How is it pro scum to lie about number of shots?

[Thor665]

I will agree by the stage we have enough info to start trying to setup solve that lying about your role could potentially hinder us a bit.

Is that really the case on him in your mind then?
Because that seems super minor - and isn't even where we're at right now even if I accept it as major, yeah?

[Thor665]

You've explained the issues with blind town blocks without addressing my question.
I feel like we're not connecting very well here.
It's frustrating.

[Thor665]

My counter is 'your argument is based on an honest belief that he is a killing role and a question about alignment and shots, and number of shots is a minor enough aspect of balance if he's town that it is a debate that we'll be *well* aware of by the time we're getting to it as a question, and I personally think by the time we can setup solve alignment will be much clearer, yeah?'.

[Thor665]

I thought you just wanted me to re-state my case on Pidgey. I'll

try

to break it down for you in a way that you described. Might help to know what exactly you don't understand, though.

I'm basically on full loss until I get to the weekend and have enough time to actually try to slog through enough of this game to understand the mechanics.
I'm having delegates, world congressess, dockets, religions, religious recruiters, and mounds of other stuff hurled at me. There are half a dozen claims on the table people are basing cases off of, and your Pidgey case that just read like Latin to me.

I'm straight up that lost.

[Thor665]

Nope.
Probably won't.

[Thor665]

I'd rather read other people than read my slot.

[Thor665]

I'm basically on full loss until I get to the weekend and have enough time to actually try to slog through enough of this game to understand the mechanics.

[Thor665]

He's calling us likely NKs.
Reads very clear to me.

[Thor665]

What's the logic that Mark is scum considering you all seem to think he's pushing to get a town Vig lynched?

Whats's the Klazam case? I'd tend to support that just on a lark.

[Thor665]

That case has, like, zero teeth as far as I can see.
It literally look like a glorified OMGUS.

If he was going to sort you later, then it's perfectly reasonable to vote you after his attitude shift on a wagon he's been hard pushing.

I go back to - if everyone thinks he was pushing a town Vig lynch, why do they think he's scum?

[Thor665]

@Shaziro - are you saying he's too good as town to push a silly case? I'm not saying his case is good.

@Ranmaru - I'm presenting my reasoning, I'll say it for a third time. Why does scum Mark push a case on a town Vig?

[Thor665]

I am more confident in Mark being scum right now. I was saying take care of Mark first in case I'm wrong. If anything, at least note that there was a stall most recently from Thor and Gamma. Keep that in mind at least.

When you do it - note that me asking one of the most basic questions of why someone is scum gets a new theory presented where I'm scum trying to dismantle the lynch instead of just, y'know, answering the question?

What is this derp, Ran?

[Thor665]

Thor, I will admit I have some paranoia about you, since you were actually close to being replaced.

Why does me not posting for barely more than 48 hours over a weekend when I had zero site activity during that time make me a scum read?

Also it is due to interactions with your slot before you replaced. So, I answered your question.

How do interactions with my slot make Mark scum?

[Thor665]

So your theory and experience with me as a player suggests that if a scumbuddy was in trouble I'd run and hide until i got prodded - and then directly challenge the case upon return?
Shouldn't I either be trying to stall it or directly oppose it, why both? That doesn't make much sense to me, does it make sense to you?

Also, it doesn't answer my question.

[Thor665]

My last post was Thursday my time and then i posted Sunday my time - you can claim it as however many hours you want - that it was the weekend remains a fact. What are you shopping here now?

I soft town you.
I don't have any screaming scum reads.
Your answer doesn't satisfy me because...well, it doesn't actually address the question of why scum him would push a town Vig, which was the question.
Your answer was "it keeps mislynch options open" which is daft. You're, at best, arguing he went in on a hard push on a town role *with a killing power* and he did so to leave more low lying fruit for later?
That is an idiotic scum plan.
Why do you think it's his scum plan compared to his town play?
Your best answer fo rthat is that Gamma and I are apparently scum derp protecting our scumbuddy in a stupid way.
Ooooh, and 48 hours over the weekend isn't counting Friday and discounts that you posted on Sunday, ooooh!

You're literally just spewing dreck at me when I'm trying to talk to you.
Why?

[Thor665]

I think that's better than the Mark wagon.

Shaziro, Ranmaru, Klazam, Jodaxq.

@Brass - which of the above names do you think is most likely scum?
If it's just Klazam we can do that, I just recalled someone making some argument for Klazam town.

[Thor665]

VOTE: Lazaam

What now ignoring Thor Ranmaru?

[Thor665]

VOTE: Klazaam

[Thor665]

Thor vote with me

I have described why I consider the Mark wagon bad.
You have not addressed my raised issues.
So - no.

[Thor665]

Frankly a non consecutive Doc v. non consecutive Strongman
and a Rolecop v. Roleblocker
looks not perfectly mirrored, but certainly in the ball park of mirroring.

It does make me want to kinda lynch both the religion spreaders.

[Thor665]

The Maestro/Pidgey interaction doesn't much feel like a mod/scum interaction in a situation where Pidgey had already successfully performed a kill and a night action.
Is there any particular argument for Marshy town?

[Thor665]

The lack of orange scum on the Creature and Action Dan lynches is really screaming out to me.
And there's Marshy on both.
Feels pretty legit.

Does anyone have a town case for Marshy?

[Thor665]

@Marshy - I did see you town case yourself, feel free to provide actual links, I'm not ISO diving.

[Thor665]

Titus was on the creature wagon

And Titus was Mark - okay.
Action Dan wagon is still hanging there.
And two Orange on Creature is hardly out of the realm of possibility.

[Thor665]

I see a noted lack of anyone willing to say Marshy is town.

Does anyone besides Pidgey have a Pidgey town case?

[Thor665]

Scum have been doing seemingly sub optimal kills for some time now as far as I can see - they clearly are sweating town defensive powers, and probably the seeming lack of kills speaks to this.

[Thor665]

And if we're gonna lynch a religion spreader pidgey should be first for sure.

I'm currently of the reverse mindset - why is Marshy superior to go second to your mind?

[Thor665]

Self votes are pretty much just a claim of scum or poor game skill.
Vote appropriately.

I don't have any particular desire to design a specific order - but I do think a marshy lynch today continues to look optimal.

VOTE: Marshy

Maybe this will even trigger a new vote count so I can make snide remarks about where other people's votes are.

[Thor665]

Why?

[Thor665]

It was a bear of a game, replacing in so late was a struggle - my reads started to get better as I finally started catching up
Ran does deserve a shout out for the Marsh catch, even if the rest of her reads went bonkers from there, but she was obv. town enough it was okay.

[Thor665]

I've only ever pulled a Cop role once, so it might be your only time ever.
Or you could be like me and scum roles and manage what feels like 50/50

[Thor665]

That's the best role anyway

[Thor665]

Mini: Spruce Bruce

VTs could be Monty Python's The Bruces.
I call dibs on Bruce Campbell.
Cop is Bruce Willis.
Bruce Springsteen could be a Godfather (The Boss)
Bruce Lee as a Gladiator or Vig.
Robert the Bruce can be a Hated VT for brass.

I think this setup writes itself.

/prein

[Thor665]

Thor665 (*) Joey_ I didnt wanna use meta but the only other time ive selfvoted i was town and you were scum thor lol, you probably dont remember since you play a million games

Self votes are pretty much just a claim of scum

or poor game skill

.
Vote appropriately.

Seriously though, stop self voting.

[Thor665]

There are rare instances where a self-vote is appropriate. When your flip mod confirms the last scum, and there's only one mislynch to spare.

I'll agree that there are certain interesting PR and setup based instances where that comes up.
Since they represent less than .01% of self votes however...

Thor sorry for making you stretch yourself but I really do appreciate you joining and it helped me and others enjoy the game as you are always a nice presence to have in a game

No worries, both ended up in pretty strong wins for my team (though I assuredly played much better in the other than I did here...here my play was pretty wonky till I caught up) so really it just boosts my record and swells my ego, so it all turned out perfectly

[Thor665]

I suspect it was your commentary that she was pressuring you to be more active - it happened during that random therapy session we had.