Fallout Mafia - Commonwealth Edition (Day 8)

[Ouroboros]

Like Impossibear is being loud and reasonable and this isn't going to be like Heartless, I really don't care enough to brute force town into not playing like shit.

But when you lynch town and I get nightkilled you're lynching those three in order and getting at minimum 2/3 scumflips.

[Ouroboros]

Posting some weak ass reads list and then saying "ETL is scum" without an actual argument is bullshit and I'm not going to respond to nonsense.

@Impossibear

Is posting a reads list without an actual argument a reason why you scum reading Jungle?

Ghost

[ManWithNoName]

The fact that people are defending him says a lot
Impossibear comes in with 'scared of wagon speed' even though I've been hard pushing them for days and have gotten absolutely zero results from anyone.
Also the fact that the way that Jingle talked about me as coming across as town with no skill is always a scumpost.

You first voted him yesterday. Hell, two days ago he wasn't in your reads list.

Your definition of days is weird.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Verylazy is town being wagoned by scum as a counterwagon to scum!Ventriloquist

The fact that people are defending him says a lot
Impossibear comes in with 'scared of wagon speed' even though I've been hard pushing them for days and have gotten absolutely zero results from anyone.
Also the fact that the way that Jingle talked about me as coming across as town with no skill is always a scumpost.

*sigh* Didyou even attempt to understand my post? I am trying to work with you.

I read all your posts, I just didn't get the things from it that you apparently wanted. You should have just bussed Ventriloquist.

i don't care anymore. i wasn't trying to get you to get anything. i was trying to discuss my reads with you.

whatever.

[Ouroboros]

Time flows differently when you are undergoing Peak Performance Raybells (TM)

i don't care anymore. i wasn't trying to get you to get anything. i was trying to discuss my reads with you.

whatever.

I believe that if you were town you would be trying to discuss my reads. I'm sorry but you're scum hard pushing wincon and I'm not obligated to respond in a reasonable fashion as a result.
If you'd bussed I'd at least make a show of working with you?

[REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE]

Please don't skip reading these - I have a lot of discussion I missed and would like to engage with people about several posts, plus I put a lot of time and work into reading this game in-depth rather than skimming so...

I actually skipped reading those, until I actually went to read those, and REAL MEN says that ETL is scum!

Why is real men helping scum powerwagon town if you are scumreading ETL?

because ETL does the same thing that you do when you're scum (yell really loudly to scare the wagon away which you both also do as town) and i'm not MAN enough to deal with that alone

what's your best advice to dealing with yourself as scum?

i'm not sold on ventriloquist but for you special sweet chocopie i'll look at him again

[EspeciallyTheLies]

fuck off. jingle was clearly wrong about you. and i'm the one who said you had no skill. i see i was right. go away.

fuck off both of you. idiots.

towns these days are garbage. i don't know why i bother with discussion.

[REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE]

VOTE: Ventriloquist

MWNN is probtown here though, it's a MAN read

[Ouroboros]

so you vote town because you're not 'man' enough to cope with resistance on lynching scum?

fuck off. jingle was clearly wrong about you. and i'm the one who said you had no skill. i see i was right. go away.

fuck off both of you. idiots.

towns these days are garbage. i don't know why i bother with discussion.

wait didn't someone just say this is what you do as scum

[REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE]

fuck off. jingle was clearly wrong about you. and i'm the one who said you had no skill. i see i was right. go away.

fuck off both of you. idiots.

towns these days are garbage. i don't know why i bother with discussion.

I told you, go /in for the Mini Theme game in queue, I'm not joking here.

[Ouroboros]

Posting some weak ass reads list and then saying "ETL is scum" without an actual argument is bullshit and I'm not going to respond to nonsense.

@Impossibear

Is posting a reads list without an actual argument a reason why you scum reading Jungle?

Ghost

[EspeciallyTheLies]

yep. i'm scum. you're so good at this game dude. i obviously never stood a chance

you don't know how to read me at all. do whatever the fuck you want. i'm done. bye

[Ouroboros]

I don't have the energy to play good little townie while simultaneously trying to lynch scum with the time I have in thread.

My enjoyability as a mafia player is a function of how much mental energy I have to burn pushing wagons and what's left for me to try to work with people.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

fuck off. jingle was clearly wrong about you. and i'm the one who said you had no skill. i see i was right. go away.

fuck off both of you. idiots.

towns these days are garbage. i don't know why i bother with discussion.

I told you, go /in for the Mini Theme game in queue, I'm not joking here.

FUCK. YOU. LEAVE ME ALONE. FUCK WISDOM AND FUCK MUFFIN. both players i've fucking blacklisted which you must know since you mentioned exactly them. jfc

[Ouroboros]

@ManWithNoName

Do you still hold your stance that Jungle isn't trying to game solve, despite the vote on Impossibear?

Ghost

[REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE]

fuck off. jingle was clearly wrong about you. and i'm the one who said you had no skill. i see i was right. go away.

fuck off both of you. idiots.

towns these days are garbage. i don't know why i bother with discussion.

I told you, go /in for the Mini Theme game in queue, I'm not joking here.

FUCK. YOU. LEAVE ME ALONE. FUCK WISDOM AND FUCK MUFFIN. both players i've fucking blacklisted which you must know since you mentioned exactly them. jfc

hey I suspected the Wisdom one but why would you blacklist muffin?!

oh well that's sad and i'm sorry



don't worry, REALMEN's main is confirmed not blacklisted by ETL, you have my MAN word and honor

[REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE]

[ManWithNoName]

@ManWithNoName

Do you still hold your stance that Jungle isn't trying to game solve, despite the vote on Impossibear?

Ghost

No.

Living

[Ouroboros]

Reaction is probably extremely indicative one way or the other
I'll table that read and meta dive her games and see what I think later

Ventriloquist is still scum, more townies need to vote them since pretty obviously scum are never going to vote them at this point.

[Ouroboros]

Tentative skim of c9++ suggests that she can fake far more difficult emotionality than this and she trips up on the logic so I'm actually inclined to ignore it and stick with my previous read
but at the same time the rage didn't come close to coming out in that game. So it's plausibly not the direction she typically goes as scum
@Jungle do you think that the rage is specifically scum indicative, do you think it's just an ETL thing, or do you think that it leans town indicative?

[REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE]

Reaction is probably extremely indicative one way or the other
I'll table that read and meta dive her games and see what I think later

Ventriloquist is still scum, more townies need to vote them since pretty obviously scum are never going to vote them at this point.

are

you

even able to tell the difference between your reactions when you're town vs you're scum?

maybe I can, but, like, it's always presented in a way that people (including myself) don't want to deal with that bullshit until later in the game.

but you both shouldnt cry if you both are a magnet for cop and investigative checks

p-edit: it's an ETL thing just like how rage is an RC thing

[ManWithNoName]

Fine, whatever.

VOTE: Ventriloquist

I don't like being a leader anyway

[Impossibear]

Okay so I'm locking in here

Ventriloquist is lockscum
Impossibear is lockscum
MWNN is probably scum

VOTE: Ventriloquist

*sigh* Didyou even attempt to understand my post? I am trying to work with you.

Verylazy is town being wagoned by scum as a counterwagon to scum!Ventriloquist

The fact that people are defending him says a lot
Impossibear comes in with 'scared of wagon speed' even though I've been hard pushing them for days and have gotten absolutely zero results from anyone.
Also the fact that the way that Jingle talked about me as coming across as town with no skill is always a scumpost.

*sigh* Didyou even attempt to understand my post? I am trying to work with you.

I read all your posts, I just didn't get the things from it that you apparently wanted. You should have just bussed Ventriloquist.

i don't care anymore. i wasn't trying to get you to get anything. i was trying to discuss my reads with you.

whatever.

fuck off. jingle was clearly wrong about you. and i'm the one who said you had no skill. i see i was right. go away.

fuck off both of you. idiots.

towns these days are garbage. i don't know why i bother with discussion.

yep. i'm scum. you're so good at this game dude. i obviously never stood a chance

you don't know how to read me at all. do whatever the fuck you want. i'm done. bye

fuck off. jingle was clearly wrong about you. and i'm the one who said you had no skill. i see i was right. go away.

fuck off both of you. idiots.

towns these days are garbage. i don't know why i bother with discussion.

I told you, go /in for the Mini Theme game in queue, I'm not joking here.

FUCK. YOU. LEAVE ME ALONE. FUCK WISDOM AND FUCK MUFFIN. both players i've fucking blacklisted which you must know since you mentioned exactly them. jfc

Ours.

Ouro, I believe you are town. I also believe you are way off track here. When bad town starts running the game, it becomes clear that we have already lost.

I don't have the energy to deal with this, and it has completely killed my motivation to game solve. I tried to work with you. You didn't even

try

to discuss with me. You're so fucking focused on your narcissistic belief that you must be right, you are completely blinded to anything else. I hope you get over that sometime soon.

I'm honestly done reading this game. I was really excited about the flavor and especially once I got some solid town reads, but when your biggest town read refuses to even have a discussion, it's like hitting your head against a brick wall. I'm not interested in doing that.

ETL

[REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE]

honestly i'm glad that ghost is there to town up your slot because having to deal with 2 of that means that my MANliness will be all gone and i'd be memeing all game instead

[Ouroboros]

I mean I think she can 100% fake it if she can fake some of the appeals she did to Anti. The specific timing of the rage does feel more likely to come from scum here.
But my cursory analysis of her games has not shown a single example of rage from scum!ETL and I'd be interested in seeing some examples of this and comparing them

Ours.

Ouro, I believe you are town. I also believe you are way off track here. When bad town starts running the game, it becomes clear that we have already lost.

I don't have the energy to deal with this, and it has completely killed my motivation to game solve. I tried to work with you. You didn't even try to discuss with me. You're so fucking focused on your narcissistic belief that you must be right, you are completely blinded to anything else. I hope you get over that sometime soon.

I'm honestly done reading this game. I was really excited about the flavor and especially once I got some solid town reads, but when your biggest town read refuses to even have a discussion, it's like hitting your head against a brick wall. I'm not interested in doing that.

ETL

If I'm wrong on Ventriloquist and am still alive tomorrow I'll back the fuck off but I don't think that Ventriloquist flips town.