Open 725: Jungle Republic - Day 5

[ManWithNoName]

VOTE: the worst

He knows my secret identity

[ManWithNoName]

What slip?

[ManWithNoName]

OK.. here's a question that's definitely going to separate the scum from the every other bum: Would you rather be locked in a room with..

1- Liz Hurley
2- Beyonce
3- Heather Graham

Note: Ladies need not respond. After all, we all

know

whom you'd rather be with.

If I had to also listen to them, 1 for sure. 3 going just by looks.

Heather Graham's voice annoys me.

[ManWithNoName]

Beyonce is married.

[ManWithNoName]

Scum - UD , Sando (based on 154)

You're right, we're both scum running the same gambit of pretending to misread the factional abilities.

You could be different factional scum.

I doubt it but it's possible

[ManWithNoName]

Third part - it was you all that chose to name me a newb skum that game... it is on me that the LAL tactic worked out, and I own that.... but go back and read the thread... any questions I had I am like.... 99% sure I asked in QT.

Also, you calling me out kind of negated the point of me asking

. Good players should be smarter every once and a while. Us dummies can create avenues for info that you can't... as long as you like... shut up for 2 hours every once and a while.

OK, what was the point of you asking? How did I negate it by asking this?

Quantify how I feel dissimilar this game from that game.

--

duckling, bad OMGUS vote.

I really do think you might be scum this game, and since your reaction to me saying that is to vote me instead of like trying to interact with me about it at all ....

VOTE: the worst

--

ducks aren't scum together

Ugly Duck is scummy, so you vote the other duck?

[ManWithNoName]

And.

VOTE: UglyDuck

Gotem!

[ManWithNoName]

So, the worst, how many scum partners do you have?

Remember, God is watching.

[ManWithNoName]

How have you determined that the Werewolves are not scum, Sando?

Scum is anyone anti-town in my book.

[ManWithNoName]

How have you determined that the Werewolves are not scum, Sando?

Scum is anyone anti-town in my book.

Well wolves have an NK, so your throwaway of "they could be seperate scumfactions" needs to take into account that one of them knows they don't have an NK and is pretending not to know that, and one has an NK and is pretending not to know the other faction has an NK.

I know you say it's "unlikely", but honestly, it's an incredibly odd supposition to make that to me, clearly lacks any reasonable thought to the actual validity of it, which I'm mocking.

But honestly, what do you hope to achieve with this line of questioning? You think wolves are going to be parochial about their alignment and deny their "scumminess" or something?

This just all went over my head. I'm going to stop talking to you now, this conversation is boring and confusing after I asked you to explain one use of a term.

I don't think it's a gambit to have anyone pretend not to know that they have no factional kill, I was just pointing out your flaw with the reasoning that "two scum wouldn't both do the same thing" is that there are two scum factions who may independently decide to do the same thing. That's it.

Please just speak like a normal human being from now on rather than someone who swallowed a goddamned dictionary and is trying to show off.

[ManWithNoName]

Who would kill a duckling?

Spoiler:

[ManWithNoName]

This just all went over my head. I'm going to stop talking to you now, this conversation is boring and confusing after I asked you to explain one use of a term.

Ok, so we're not talking scuminess? Cause I took your questioning to be "this could be scum I caught over 'ere", or am I wrong there?

The basic gist: I thought you were saying that me saying werewolves aren't "scum" was, in fact, scummy. I'm saying that's a silly argument

for scuminess

(even if it's a reasonable statement to make). If you'd like to say "nah bro, not scummy, just a statement" then cool. If you'd like to discuss the relative scumminess of it, however, then sure, let's step up to the plate.

I was not implying scumminess, I was asking for clarification.

It's a thing I do when I am unsure about someone's thoughts. I find it's a better way to get information than trying to read their mind.

[ManWithNoName]

OMGUSing is really only a meta tell if anything.....but moving on

It's fair he doesnt want to throw his reasoning down now but withholding it to d2 is actually really bad

Let's say skitter is town. Maf kills UDuck as an obvious frame. What does that tell us?

Let's say skitter is maf. Her own faction kills UDuck. What does that tell us?

Let's say skitter is wolf. Maf kills UDuck. What does that tell us?

This is all lies. Mafia doesn't have a factional kill.

Get with the times, the!

[ManWithNoName]

By the way, I'm pretty sure our International Man of Mystery is town.

p-edit: can you provide the meta reasons, pint?

[ManWithNoName]

Also, the worst can likely be town. Scum!the worst is not as fun to play with because he doesn't joke around.

[ManWithNoName]

True story, I don't smoke often, but when I do, it's a cigarillo. Cigars take too long and cigarettes are gross.

[ManWithNoName]

I will extend a branch of trust to pint-sized on this for the moment.

VOTE: Sando

[ManWithNoName]

Ugly Duck is scummy, so you vote the other duck?

Tw is scummier. The post you quoted explains why

My main confusion was that you said the ducks are not scum together, yet you are scum reading both... But then I remembered that this was multiball, so it makes sense now.

[ManWithNoName]

Wait, what's a multiball?? I inned to this game without knowing the setup 'cause I'm trying to improve in Mini Games, but at this point seems that everyone's talking about something important

There are two factions of scum. As town, we need to find the werewolves who are going to be the killing faction and the mafia who have no killing power.

The layout is 7 town-3 mafia-2 Werewolves.

[ManWithNoName]

Ugly Duck is scummy, so you vote the other duck?

Tw is scummier. The post you quoted explains why

My main confusion was that you said the ducks are not scum together, yet you are scum reading both... But then I remembered that this was multiball, so it makes sense now.

I think tw is probably scum, no idea which specific flavor. I'm not sure on uglyduck atm.

If they are both scum though they aren't partners.

I disagree. He is not actively pushing a wagon, which I have seen him do as scum and not as town, and is not caught yet, which means the more relaxed and joking tone is too early. As scum, that pops out when he is about to be lynched. He might do scummy things, but I think it's his town meta and not in his scum range to sound this relaxed.

[ManWithNoName]

Okay, AP, I have a plan. I's a good one, too.

We tell everyone that it's a full moon tonight and the moon is about to come up. Then, we watch the reactions of everyone here. If someone seems nervous and starts trying to get out, we lynch them.

What do you think?

[ManWithNoName]

Wait, I need to withdraw my remarks of the worst as town. I just rechecked the game I was thinking of, did not remember his play correctly, I got his town and scum game confused.

My bad memory is not jarring enough for me to vote him, but removing a town read from him because it was based on faulty information. (My brain)

[ManWithNoName]

Okay, AP, I have a plan. I's a good one, too.

We tell everyone that it's a full moon tonight and the moon is about to come up. Then, we watch the reactions of everyone here. If someone seems nervous and starts trying to get out, we lynch them.

What do you think?

Hey, that's an AWOOOOsome plan!!

I-I mean awesome! Awesome plan!

There are two types of people in this world, ones who can see a good plan and agree with it and werewolves.

[ManWithNoName]

Wouldn't you know if you were town, Mr. Worst?

Interesting scumslip from you, Tuco.

[ManWithNoName]

merely satire of skitter's posting,

Clint

....uh whoever you are.

In that movie, Blondie.

[ManWithNoName]

Why are you nicknaming cities with team names?

[ManWithNoName]

Why are you nicknaming cities with team names?

Huh?

Nevermind, it was a joke about your use of the word nickname for team names.

(I.E. Southampton is nicknamed the "Saints")

I would never say that Tampa Bay is nicknamed the Rays, for example.

[ManWithNoName]

OK, serious read.. duckling is town

So far I've pegged 3 townies with some degree of confidence: Pintu, MWNN & tw

Next..

AP and I have a mental connection at this point because this is also my town block. If I was about 20 years older, I'd guess we were twins separated at birth.

I'm also giving UglyDuck a probationary membership into my townblock based on the word of a full member of my townblock, though.

[ManWithNoName]

I don't speak Mexican

Consult an expert:

Spoiler: Big image

I Need A Lift In Your El Trucko To The Next Towno

[ManWithNoName]

True or false? The only time you would possibly read the mafia role PM and not the Werewolf PM is if you rolled Mafia.

[ManWithNoName]

True or false? The only time you would possibly read the mafia role PM and not the Werewolf PM is if you rolled Mafia.

True. I guess given your vote I can now assume you're actually talking scuminess and you've decided to step up to the plate?

So my assumption that mafia do not have an NK was based on reading their role PM and not seeing the NK, AND reading the werewolf one and seeing it mentioned. What about that says to you that I only read one of the role PMs?

Why was there any confusion then? Like any did you need to ask the question?

[ManWithNoName]

And at what point have I not been up at the plate? Did you not understand that when I was asking questions before the purpose is to sort people with information? You might not understand my methods, but they have worked pretty reliably, so I'll stick to them.

[ManWithNoName]

Maybe my questions only implied scumminess because you answered in a scummy fashion, Scumdo. Because you did.

The second question absolutely implied scumminess because you were already scummy. The first you are reading into because you made a really stupid statement which needed clarification for me. And you proceeded to answer in scummy fashion.

[ManWithNoName]

I've never been able to form a read on N_M, how are you scumreading him?

I feel like he's always a POE pick for me.

[ManWithNoName]

I have played with scum!the worst and this feels different to me. I will say, though that we have an astounding record of never both being town. I don't really know lots about the worst's town game because of that.

I also just don't feel like metadiving to read his town games again.

I'm kind of lazy posting this game which is why I signed up on an alt rather than my main, and metadiving is very tryhard. Anyone want to show me examples of how the worst is different from town games? My gut says this is not scum, but it doesn't exactly scream town.

[ManWithNoName]

This is where I am at in summary:

1) AP (Null/Skum) - Everything about him makes me want scream skum but it is based off of interactions of one game played. The way they leaned off of TW and then off seems quite like town to me, and then the way they are posting seems different than the AP I know.

2) ceejayvinoya (Null/Skum) - Definition of lazy/padding their posts. Pretty much RVS then has done nothing but bring up.... nothing.

3) Draynth (Town) - See previous post.

4) Espeonage (Null) - Has not done anything. Brought up multiball tactics after unvoting then revoted the same person which I guess is too dumb to be skummy - so null.

5) ManWithNoName - Either super town or super skum. going with super town at this point.

6) Not_Mafia - Was unhelpful when I played with them as skum, and is unhelpful now? Is this their meta? Really asking here, because players like that should just be policy lynched. Do they ever actually contribute anything... useful?

7) Pin - Not touching it. I think they are town in the first game they think I am town and I don't know what to do with that.

8) Sando - Interactions seem quite towny.

9) Skitter - Skum-a-souraus-rex.

10) TW - oh bro duck, how I hope you are town.

11) Yankee - No idea.


conclusions on my re reads. I will post details tomorrow. today was long.

I did efforts and survey says... TOWN!

Too many nulls to be his scum game. (Way too many unsorted reads)

[ManWithNoName]

Where I'm stuck at in terms of reads:

{Pintu, Draynth} --town
{Not_Mafia, Sando}
{Skitter, UglyDuck}
{YankeeReaper, The Worst} --null
{AP}
{NoNameMan, Espe} --probs scum

I'm pretty sure there must be one or more scum above my null line but that will sort itself out later.

Lol, this guy.

Want to provide any reasoning for literally anything this game?

Nice job piling onto N_M when you are doing the same.

VOTE: ceejaynova

[ManWithNoName]

I think Ugglez types the way he speaks, rather than the way he thinks. After reading his scum pt in a completed game I'm finding I have a kinda tone for his posts but idk

Sometimes I wonder if people read my posts in a particular tone

I hire Paul Hogan to read all of your posts so that I get the authentic tone.

[ManWithNoName]

AP, why Draynth?

[ManWithNoName]

his reasoning has literally not changed in 400 posts

he has also done nothing in 400 posts and is arrogantly digging in his heels on a bad read

this has upgraded from having no read to being like "rly bish"

He didn't do that in Stack the Deck, either. He was town, you were scum. What's the Vote Number on him?

[ManWithNoName]

Well, guess I just main-told there. the worst also knows who I am so knows which I was talking about.

I'm still not coming out and saying who I am.

[ManWithNoName]

But, you definitely moved your vote around a bit day 1, you really aren't here. Day 2 was pretty quick and culminated in Math and the worst fucking around for like 30 posts.

[ManWithNoName]

But, you definitely moved your vote around a bit day 1, you really aren't here. Day 2 was pretty quick and culminated in Math and the worst fucking around for like 30 posts.

Ok look at my play difference in day 1 and on day 3. Day 3 I am doing the kind of shit show I currently am because I fell out of the game. Not to the extent I have here, but a little.

This is how Espe plays from behind bud.

Okay, yeah, this does ring like that day, and town did mislynch you day 3.

I'm not voting here right now, it would at best be a PL, and the best PL would be N_M for sure.

[ManWithNoName]

OK I think I know who you are now, maybe. (at least, I have it down to probably one of two people from the second stack-the-deck playerlist)

we don't really have room for a pl in this setup. Town has one mislynch if wolves don't crosskill

Even better point. I am not one to trust for any sort of number things. And if you had it down to one of two that probably locks it in to me.

[ManWithNoName]

What happened to Yankee Reaper, shouldn't he have been prodded?

Also, why did I join a multiball game? Game is hard. I win one and go ahead and get a big head.

[ManWithNoName]

Anyone a fan of the Elli tell? Because Draynth is posting elsewhere and not in this game.

[ManWithNoName]

Hey, look at the time, it is some point.

[ManWithNoName]

@mod I don't like to do this, but can you please prod people. Not_Mafia and YankeeReaper are both well overdue for a prod and now skitter's needs one too.

[ManWithNoName]

Oh, N_M is VLA.

But, we are nearing the deadline and some slots have nothing going on, how the hell are we supposed to read them?

Anyway, deadline is in like 4.5 days or something, let's just unite on a lynch and get it over with. I really don't like the 2 week day periods that are kind of standard here.

[ManWithNoName]

Lynch ceejay

Your vote is on the worst.

[ManWithNoName]

You are an enigma and also super frustrating, N_M.

[ManWithNoName]

I don't get a hi

Also, Fumuki can be town.

[ManWithNoName]

I got that, just sometimes it gets lonely here. And people saying hi to me might make my day.

Like the bus driver who picked me up today. And said hi to me, and now we are best friends.

And I checked, he wasn't a werewolf, even.

[ManWithNoName]

Maybe Fumuki is colorblind. Ableist.

That being said, I think Fumuki's entire chain of posts is a "NotWolforMafia!slip"

It's a town slot.

[ManWithNoName]

I don't care who the werewolves are killing first, I need to lynch mafia and werewolves, and I have no way of telling which scum are which during Day 1, so, can we stop talking about who kills whom first?

I want to lynch werewolves and I want to lynch mafia, and if the werewolves kill the mafia first, that's great because they just make the game easier for me, then.

[ManWithNoName]

Then, how do we know who is a WW, and who is a mafia?

[ManWithNoName]

We ask

MWNN are you ww or mafia?
Fumuki are you ww or mafia?
Sando are you ww or mafia?

Are these your scum reads? Because they are all pretty bad.

VOTE: the worst

Burden of proficiency says you are scum right now.

[ManWithNoName]

We ask

MWNN are you ww or mafia?
Fumuki are you ww or mafia?
Sando are you ww or mafia?

Are these your scum reads? Because they are all pretty bad.

VOTE: the worst

Burden of proficiency says you are scum right now.

They are the three people other than myself posting right now
Go home ur drunk

Look, the next time I am getting drunk is most likely at my wedding, so in 468 days (How'd that number get so low?).

But, I get that, and I withdraw it.

UNVOTE:

I'm still a big dummy.

[ManWithNoName]

YOU'RE GETTING MARRIED IN 468 DAYS?!?

I'm gonna put a reminder in my phone just in case were still in touch then!

It's really easy to remember because when we got the day before labor day, the date is actually 9/1/19, so it's a palindrome.

[ManWithNoName]

YOU'RE GETTING MARRIED IN 468 DAYS?!?

I'm gonna put a reminder in my phone just in case were still in touch then!

It's really easy to remember because when we got the day before labor day, the date is actually 9/1/19, so it's a palindrome.

dude you're the best I just noticed it was a palindrome when I put it in my calendar. it's also 24 days before my 26th bday..... for what that's worth.......

It's interesting because my future wife will be 30 for 4 more days, so she will turn 31 during our honeymoon and I have a month and 4 days of 30 being married.

By pure chance, I am exactly 2 months younger than my fiancee.

[ManWithNoName]

actually thats a thought

seer only gets ww/not ww results right?

Yes.

And thanks to you all, people actually generally know on my main as well, because I pretty freely mention my fiance in several threads, but I don't know I've ever revealed the date.

[ManWithNoName]

Fuck it, I'll just say it. I'm brassherald

[ManWithNoName]

What the worst is not saying is that the other time we played together and I stayed in the game, I also read him correctly, by trying to pocket him. Going by our record, he's probably scum this game.

Going by gameplay, I'm not nearly as confident as in Stack the Deck, but I could see the worst as scum right now, but... I'm not super confident in it. I've been a little less focused than I am on my main most of the time. This is a more chill account.

[ManWithNoName]

Also, if you would like to know how to tell that I am obv town, despite my lack of focus, I have been actually interested in the game, and that's Town Indicative for me. Which is why I'm surprised the worst implied he'd be willing to lynch me despite knowing that it's me and I'm like Creature level easy to read.

[ManWithNoName]

I want to stay on this account. I've definitely got a different tone playing under a different name, and don't want to muck up people's future reads of me because of that.

Also, yeah, I have no idea how I'd play as scum in multiball, only multiball I have played is Civ V, and I was the IC.

I'm going to reevaluate reads a bit and place a vote tomorrow, for now, I plan to go sleep a bit.

[ManWithNoName]

I've definitely got a different tone playing under

no name

ftfy

Good call.
Also night.

[ManWithNoName]

I'll go back to this.

VOTE: ceejayvinova

[ManWithNoName]

Do we have a case on Espe?

Can anyone perhaps direct me to a single post or a series of up to 5 posts which lay out said case?

[ManWithNoName]

UD is not mislynch bait because at least 4 of us are TRing him at this point, by the way. He's town.

[ManWithNoName]

Do we have a case on Espe?

Can anyone perhaps direct me to a single post or a series of up to 5 posts which lay out said case?

794 is your best shot I think.

He's good at this setup, so let's kill him?

[ManWithNoName]

Do we have a case on Espe?

Can anyone perhaps direct me to a single post or a series of up to 5 posts which lay out said case?

794 is your best shot I think.

He's good at this setup, so let's kill him?

Wait, no, that's actually a good post, I misread a line.

VOTE: Espeonage

[ManWithNoName]

AP, you should join the Espeonage wagon, 2/3 of it is town. Let's make it a straight 75%

[ManWithNoName]

Fuck it, I'll just say it. I'm brassherald

No, you're not! >I< am brassherald.

BRB, reporting ManWithNoName for identity theft.

[ManWithNoName]

If Fumuki is not on this wagon, I'm not interested in it that much, with one vote being on my encouragement and another being a full scum read of mine.

VOTE: CeeJayvinovaVOTE:

Did I spell it right, this time?

[ManWithNoName]

VOTE: ceejayvinoya

[ManWithNoName]

Isn't the worst at L-1?

[ManWithNoName]

I think he is, intent to hammer.

[ManWithNoName]

That doubly didn't work... Vote Count at a bad time.

[ManWithNoName]

VOTE: theworst

WOAH WOAH WOAH

LYNCH THIS

NOW

I'M NOT BACKING DOWN

TOWN!NOT_MAFIA LOLHAMMERING WHEN THERE'S ONLY ONE POWER ROLE?

I DON'T THINK SO

VOTE: Not_Mafia

Lol, this guy!

[ManWithNoName]

VOTE: the worst

VOTE: theworst

He didn't lolhammer, he didn't even move his vote.

[ManWithNoName]

I'm super tempted to put him at L-1, then. I will confess to just kind of wanting the day to end at this point.

2 week day periods are so long.

[ManWithNoName]

Espeonage, would you claim if I said intent to put you at L-1?

[ManWithNoName]

Espeonage - ceejayvinoya, AP, UglyDuck

both of the people I want to eat rope are still on Espeonage



@town find a better wagon, I implore you
@scumfucks continue to be opportunistic scumfucks ty xox

But, duck person, there are two scum factions that need to take each other out.

[ManWithNoName]

IT"S OVER FOR WOLVES

Mafia claim

[ManWithNoName]

VOTE: Espeonage

Get off my plane!

L-1

[ManWithNoName]

VOTE: Espeonage

[ManWithNoName]

Wait, it takes 7 to lynch? For realsies?

[ManWithNoName]

MWNN this is the second time you say someone is at L-1 when they weren't, what are you trying to do? Lure Not_Mafia's vote to get a read on him?

The first time was a legit play to see what would happen.

The second was because I thought it took 6 to lynch.

[ManWithNoName]

Who's CJV?

[ManWithNoName]

That makes sense.

[ManWithNoName]

Aren't you disagreeing with Ruby's read of the ugly duck, worst duck?

[ManWithNoName]

Day 1 has gone on for like a year.

I would like a lynch in {Sando, Skitter, Espeonage, Ceejeay} Let's get it done.

[ManWithNoName]

VOTE: Fumuki

I'm not even asking why...

I am, why?

[ManWithNoName]

VOTE COUNT - 1.8

ManWithNoName

-

skitter30

-

Espeonage

- ceejayvinoya, Sando

Sando

- , skitter30, UglyDuck

the worst

- Espeonage, TheYankeeReaper, Not_Mafia,

ceejayvinoya

- ManWithNoName,

TheYankeeReaper

- Fumuki

UglyDuck

- the worst

pinturicchio

-

Not_Mafia

-

AP

-

Fumuki

-AP, pinturicchio

Not Voting

With 12 alive it takes 7 for a lynch and 6 for no lynch.
Day 1 ends in (expired on 2018-05-27 19:17:00)

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"I started a wagon on that slot" says Pintu, after being the second vote on the wagon earlier.

[ManWithNoName]

"I was wrong" admits Pintu. Choosing not to tell off our humble and attractive protagonist for the newly adopted writing style that even he couldn't explain why he's doing it

[ManWithNoName]

You will be called DuckWithAHat from now on.

You're voting Espe, right? Do you think Espe is more likely to be scum than CJ? (talking about the two wagons specifically)

"I do not" said our protagonist as he decided to keep this up. "For that reason, I will return my vote to Ceejavinoyayeveleneyev."

VOTE: Ceejayvinoya

[ManWithNoName]

Our protagonist sees what you all did there.

With his eyes.

[ManWithNoName]

VOTE: CeeJayvinoya

L-1

[ManWithNoName]

Our valorous all-seeing protagonist is okay with a skitter lynch.

VOTE: skitter30

[ManWithNoName]

Our valorous all-seeing protagonist is okay with a skitter lynch.

VOTE: skitter30

Our valorous all-seeing protagonist seems to be okay with any ongoing wagon an that concerns me, especially when he's voting for town

I have a lynch pool, I'm okay with any of these 3 {Espe, CeeJay, Skitter}

I may or may not have had Sando in here last time. I don't recall.

[ManWithNoName]

I liked CJ before it was cool.

You were a recent addition, but it was mostly because you had a gap of posting that was scummy which I don't feel like looking into, I just remember it occurring.

Espeonage, I liked the Fumuki case on.

My lynchpool is not the leading wagons, the leading wagons just happen to be my lynchpool.

[ManWithNoName]

Hold on going to act scummy now to avoid a NK...

Actually I'm just going to go to Federal Court to get admitted to practice law there. So who knows when I'll be around today

[ManWithNoName]

@mod V/LA for the weekend, by the way.

[ManWithNoName]

VOTE: Espeonage

I'm off to the beach for the day. Don't get a signal there, might as well end the day with this good lynch.

[ManWithNoName]

So, my reads were bad Day 1, I'll recalibrate a bit before I vote.

Shame we didn't find a Werewolf yesterday, though.

[ManWithNoName]

Wait. I just remembered, early on I only was TRing UD because Pintu was town in my book, which was wrong on the Pintu part.

VOTE: UglyDuck

[ManWithNoName]

Where are your other reads atm?

All need to be reevaluated.

AP still probably town unless I see I was TRing him for the same reasons I was pintu.

CeeJay is still not great from memory. I like Fumuki less for sure because I was already unsure about that read EoD, but now saw two of my reads were wrong.

Skitter still does not look good either.

I'm feeling more wary about you, as well.

N_M is still a huge Question Mark for me because I have no clue how to read him.

Sando is probably town because of his whole "Don't kill town as WW" makes no sense as mafia, and less sense as WW.

I don't remember who else is in the game.

[ManWithNoName]

@mod please replace me. Sorry guys, having a bit of a personal crisis of sorts and I just can't bring myself to play games right now. See you all in another game.