Pine's Large Normal Review, May 2018

[Firebringer]

Hey Pine whats up!

I don't believe that you are allowed "Mafia Prime Number-Night Jailkeeepr (1 isn't prime)"
You could do "Mafia Novice Odd Night Jailkeeper" which does same thing.


Disloyal and Governor are not allowed either.

I don't know what Psychologist or Babysitter are, but again those aren't normal.
Informed isn't normal
Activated isn't normal for BP
Vengeful also.

Lots of not normal stuff here lol

What exactly are you going for and your objective with this game?

[Firebringer]

Okay I have been mistaken, and I guess I should read updates more often.

We will be removing the greylist rule, which previously allowed one non-whitelisted role in mini games and two in large games. The whitelist will be expanded to compensate. To begin, the following roles are immediately considered whitelisted:
Vengeful (normal for town only): if lynched, you may kill a player as you die.
Babysitter: target a player to protect them from kills. If you are killed that night, they will also die.
Fruit Vendor: target a player to give them a piece of fruit. They will be informed that they received it.
Psychologist: target a player to investigate them and determine if they are capable of killing anyone. If they have already killed someone or attempted to kill someone, this will return a negative result. Resolves after kills.
Detective: target a player to investigate them and determine if they have attempted to kill someone, successful or not. Resolves after kills.
Visitor: at night, you may target a player; this has no effect beyond targeting them.
The following modifiers are also immediately considered whitelisted:
Disloyal: if you target a player who shares your alignment, your action will fail.
Loud: if you target another player, they will be informed that you targeted them, but not what you did.
Ninja: your action cannot be detected by trackers, watchers, motion detectors, followers, or voyeurs. (Previously a mafia-only role, now whitelisted for all alignments as a modifier applying to any action that the ninja takes.)
Multitasking: you may use multiple abilities, including factional abilities, in the same night.

So I believe everything in here is now allowed.

[Firebringer]

I haven’t thought about balance at all, I will give you some input later today.
Tell Lady Pine happy Mother’s Day

[Firebringer]

Setup and Thoughts:

17 Players - 12 Town, 4 Mafia, 1 Serial Killer

Vengeful Townie
Detective
Psychologist
Hider
Loyal Fruit Vendor
Babysitter
Informed Townie: Knows all but one role was recently whitelisted (VTs)
5 VTs


Mafia Prime-Number-Night Jailkeeper (1 treated as prime)
Mafia Loud Tracker
Mafia Ninja (Effectively Goon)
2-shot Activated Bulletproof Goon

1-shot BP Serial Killer

Question: I am confused on your wording of Informed Townie. Does he give the whole role list for town to player? Just the new whitelist roles? Not sure exactly the informed part of his role.

If Hider hides behind the Babysitter, and babysitter chooses someone else that night to guard. That means potentially three deaths in one night. I think the chances of this are remote but it does speak alot about the potential high kill count given we already have two killing roles and a possible night of four deaths. I think maybe if this game was larger have both a babysitter and hider.

Perhaps not both?

Town seems rather weak to me on the outset of things:
Like the strongest roles you have I think are the detective and maybe psychologist? It depends on how much information the informed townie has.

Hider is kind of weak and Babysitter is weaker than that. Vengeful townie is decent enough.

Scum team is too strong for this town especially. Mafia Ninja is like you said a goon, but still I don't see the need to give a BP to the mafia when that stops the crosskills.

I think you just need to up the town here.

[Firebringer]

I think the best things for this game would be:
Replace the Babysitter or Hider with something with a little more ooomf
and taking out the Bulletproof Mafia

Then I think the setup would be fine to be run, might still be a bit scumsided but I think it would be alright.

[Firebringer]

I am not too woried about SK balance, I think having the scum having a BP even if it is activated is just lowering amount of possible cross kills that is usually to benefit of town.

I like the change of babysitter to Loud Doctor.

I kind of still think town is a little too weak here.....

I think I need to do a worst case scenario here for both sides.
I will do that in a bit, going out for a short walk.

[Firebringer]

If you give a 2 shot activated BP to Town I am fine with the setup then.

[Firebringer]

I would need to see the rules and exact role pms but you make that change and should be fine.

[Firebringer]

You need ot change the "Prime Number Jailkeeper" to something normal.
I suggested Novice Odd Night Jailkeeper (which i wouldn't be able to act night 2)

[Firebringer]

Thoughts on what to do if we end up with a 1:1:1 LYLO in which the Townie is lynched and the SK's bulletproof is spent?

Personally I'd be inclined to say they kill each other and no one wins.

Tie game. No one wins.

I don't know if there is a normal standard for this.

I would say its a tie.

[Firebringer]

I guess its fine than.

Reading comprehension.
Not my strong suit apparently.

[Firebringer]

I think you only need mine

And I say it’s good to go

[Firebringer]

Approved with Fire