Mini 2011: Partition Mafia (Game Over)

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hey wassup

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I AM HERE

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Also muffin is bad

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GOTCHA

Also,

I would like to suggest that if both of you survive today and tonight...that scum put you in the same group. That would be fun.

<3 <3 <3

Fitz can be town for now

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Based on a quick read, northsidegal and koki have stood out to me as more likely to be scum.

But I'm also a bit perplexed by the over-the-top group talk here. Sure, I get that it's the theme of the game but I struggle to understand the relevance of statements like "No one not from Group 2 is voting for Group 2". I don't get the point! There are three scum, not 10.

So wisdom with his whole "pretending to sound useful" thing is also someone I need to look more closely at.

I like Cakez, I like Dramonic, I like BuJaber.

My mind has a complicated relationship with Muffin.

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I'll post more specific stuff after I finish cooking dinner

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With varying degrees of subtlety group 3 has people from each of the 3 groups willing to vote for it.
Could be scum lead.


Pedit - RMOJ yeah but they still have to keep doing these partititions every day thereafter. It might end faster but I think it's probably balanced.

one more time I hear “BULLSHIT THEORY HERE is SCUM LED” im going to kill a fucking pigeon right here

holy fuck! We are 10 town to 3 scum, we out number them 3 to 1! NOTHING is scum led, everything is town led! fuck!

!!!

Finally someone who isn't playing as if it's 10-scum and 3-town!

That said, I find BuJaber's paranoia about everything being scum-led, pretty town.

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also was your hf read in #186 serious?

i'm too tired to stay up and wait for you to finish cooking. come on earlier tomorrow night, ty

Sorry Muffin, I ended up getting to some other things too.

Regarding northsidegal, 35 was the sort of post I didn't like (particularly the "if I want to keep my mislynch record clean" part), but I didn't have any rational reason for not liking it, so I chose to ignore it.

But the big thing, is the progression starting from 101.

"I'm pretty sure kokichi is town"

Easy to say the words, but a lot harder to back up.

When questioned on this by Kokichi, northside's answer just doesn't stack up.

When you're only 100 posts into the game, reasoning like "I know your scumgame and I'm not seeing it yet" does not justify statements like "I'm pretty sure you are town".

My thinking here is that northside threw out a townread in an attempt to look like they're working out the game, without actually having the reasoning to back it up. On the other hand, my expectation is that town would be more likely to actually go from reasoning ---> expression of townread. Whereas this looks a lot more like Expression of townread ----> Oh fuck I don't have much reason for saying that uhhhhh BLAND GENERIC VAGUE STATEMENT GO.

141 is also empty and just throwing shade at dramonic, when northside actually has no way of knowing whether there is a more complex thought process underlying dram's post.

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My issue with koki really stemmed from 132. I guess it's possible that this is actually a towntell and I'm just misreading it, but I feel like the whole "why am I in this group??? Ooo, maybe it's because scum want to mislynch me!" thing is just.. too much? It sounds too much like scum trying to say something town rather than something town would actually say. But I might just be wrong in this. But yeah I don't know. With all the silly group speculation that's gone on, I could see scum trying to join in on the speculation in order to fit in and not seem like they have inside information. And this, along with the questioning of wisdom and riku, seems like a reasonable fit for that.

I also am a bit :/ in response to the (appropriate) questioning of northsidegal for the premature townread on him, only for Koki to then seemingly drop it? Despite no real satisfactory response?

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also was your hf read in #186 serious?

i'm too tired to stay up and wait for you to finish cooking. come on earlier tomorrow night, ty

It was semi-serious I guess? That post gives me more of a town-fitz feel than a scum-fitz feel based on my experience with him.

PEdit: Sorry for being unclear wisdom. I'm talking about the thought process rather than the actual posting. I don't really care about what order things are posted in.

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In response to people speculating about my alignment, as scum I'm a lot more intentional about posting with enough frequency and content to avoid suspicion, whereas when I'm town I don't feel that same pressure.

On that note, due to just having worked a couple of long days in a row, now is not the time that I'm going to be sitting down and going over my provisional reads. But I've now come to the end of my run of shifts, so I'll have plenty of time to sit down and think about this tomorrow.

Sorry to everyone my lower activity start to this game.

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Hey guys I'm here and I've read most of the game but only skimmed through the last few pages. Going to post a quick reads list next and then talk more about what we're doing.

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Town

BuJaber
Dramonic
Northside (Thanks for your response to my push <3 Sorry about that)

[GAP]

SirCakez
Eddie Cane

[GAP]

REALMEN
Wisdom

[GAP]

Riku
MuffinMan

[GAP]

Havingfitz
Pine

Scum

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oh I forgot koki. They can go in the REALMEN/Wisdom group

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maybe riku should be a bit higher, I'm not sure.

But that's a rough idea of where I'm at anyway

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Main thing is that I'm really suspicious of Fitz and Pine

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Yes

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why is eddie so high? why am i so low?

Regarding Eddie:

The timing of 297 was pretty town. Town players with a role are likely to think that there's not much harm in softclaiming. However, this was at a time when there was talk about the setup being mountainous. Scum are probably not going to know too much about what kind of roles town will, so I think it's unlikely that scum would do something as conspicuous as softing a PR and risking negative attention /at at time/ when people are talking about the setup possibly being mountainous. Especially given the usual negative reaction to softclaiming.

If this happened now, it wouldn't be alignment-relevant, because lots of roles are coming to the surface. But I felt the timing of it back then was pretty town.

Posts like 641 seem genuine based on the kind of role that he probably has. Would also be weird coming from scum who is arguing that town need PRs because it does remove mislynch targets and helps town townhunt.

You are so low because there's nothing about your play here that really indicates town to me. I think your claimed role could fit with either scum or town. Admittedly, there's nothing about you that's particularly scummy imo though. But a lot of my reads are based on ~feeling~

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Also I would go for lynching group 2, but am not ready to do it yet.

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*what kind of roles town will have

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im heading home now so ill wait til i get to my computer before looking at that. talk about your hf read in the mean tine

I have played with Fitz quite a few times and this /feels/ like scum-Fitz to me, but I’ll also try and be logical.

The focus on you “policy lynching” me was weird. It lasted a bit too long and the thing about you being more suspect for denying it seemed like trying a bit too hard to maintain the push.

A lot of what he’s saying about what we should do this game day is based around what would make sense based on what other people are saying rather than what he himself actually thinks.

He also sounds like robotic scum Fitz to me and is doing the scum Fitz thing of talking about options instead of true content.

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Bus driver is so different wtf

In a game where scum have all the power in deciding who goes in which group, giving them the power to change their mind during the day seems cruel and op to me. That is why it's bastardy.

The ONLY reason to give this role to scum would be to fuck with town into falsely townreading the player. It's bastardy.

If scum don’t have any roles like that then the game can be easily broken.

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Well not easily but I think it would be giving town too much power.

PEdit: not everything but those were the things that most stood out to me.

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Muffin what is your read on Eddie?

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Bus driver is so different wtf

In a game where scum have all the power in deciding who goes in which group, giving them the power to change their mind during the day seems cruel and op to me. That is why it's bastardy.

The ONLY reason to give this role to scum would be to fuck with town into falsely townreading the player. It's bastardy.

If scum don’t have any roles like that then the game can be easily broken.

How so.. put 1 confirmed town with scum tomorrow. Force them to lynch them and kill the other confirmed town with your 1 shot.

It's not broken and town can still lose.

I disagree

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you know, with a few adjustments our reads wouldn't be all that different

but i don't see how you put me that low when your primary scum reads are pine + hf and i'm struggling to believe you haven't formed a read on me either way from my content so far

pedit: @DV obv

This doesn't make much sense muffin.

What should I be reading as alignment-relevant from you?

If you were scum, then this is exactly where I would expect you to be on my reads list right now, because it's unlikely you would have done much yet that I would catch onto as scummy.

However, if you are town, then this is not exactly unexpected, because there's almost certainly some subconscious paranoia in relation to your alignment (plus the disaster that it would be for me personally to be reading you as town if you're actually scum )

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Yes

And whats your proposal?

As I said, my proposal is that we lynch group 2.

I am currently undecided on what swapping we should do, if any, but I'm also not very interested in directing other people's roles because I like the idea of people having autonomy with their PRs.

PEdit:

Wisdom, why is it just one scum?

Also, I'm not all very certain about your alignment or even Koki's. Your posts seem to suggest having some experience with him that would exclude this sort of play from him as scum, but if he has a reputation for lying as town, I am kind of skeptical of everything he says.

I am happy for swapping to happen I guess, but it's ultimately out of my hands. I think Bu is town. Pine, at the very least, is pretty high on my suspect list. Riku, you and Koki are unknowns for me (but also towards the lower end of my reads list). Compared to Group 1 and Group 3, the more scummy people (imo) are in Group 2. I don't understand the issue.

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and this is part of my issue Wisdom, with such disagreement over who to swap etc. I worry that a swap will happen that I'm not happy with.

I'm honestly a bit perplexed by your implication that I am insane in wanting to lynch Group 2. What is wrong with my opinion being different from yours?

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do YOU have ALZHEIMERS

Real men have Alzheimer's

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Wisdom, you're not really responding to me in a way that is fostering my confidence in you.

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But what about conf-town dram?

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he's not as conf-town as wisdom and kokichi

Oh, my mistake

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much bravado

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i've played with wisdom

THIS IS NOT TOWN WISDOM

LYNCHHHH WISDOM

Okay I'm not serious but this is getting ridiculous and I'm really not buying what Wisdom is trying to sell.

Muffin, I don't really care if you're scum anymore. Can we make up and be friends? The pseudo fighting that we were doing earlier was sillier and I don't care for it anymore.

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*silly, not sillier

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I meant fighting as in suspecting each other and just generally not agreeing with each other.

But that doesn't matter now, we're okay.

We have a common enemy who might actually still be town but they really need to change their approach if they are.

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Wisdom, I'm turned off by you pushing this you/koki conftown thing with anyone who disagrees being either stupid or scum.

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@DV

i think i'm done arguing with wisdom and REAL MAN anyway

i've made the point i wanted to make and if people disagree, so be it. though it's buried in a sea of spam now which most people aren't going to read so whatever

i think it's stupid to potentially slingshot us into a bad lylo scenario but hey, what do i know? that's all i've got to say about it

have you asked me anything i missed in the last hour or so?

Nah, I haven't asked anything.

I still don't know what you are but you're not really a high priority lynch target for me right now if that helps?

because it seems obvious to me
Kokichi does not do this as scum
I dont do it as scum
The best way we lynch scum is my plan
Scum ARE going to try and stop my plan so I cant help but suspect whoever is trying to

@dv

what don't you do as scum?

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I don't want to be a man, sorry.

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I still don't know what you are but you're not really a high priority lynch target for me right now if that helps?

this is the kindest thing anyone has ever said to me in a mafia game

you're welcome!

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@wisdom

why havent you made the swap yet? or are you waiting for the host to announce it?

Because I want everyone to chip in
Ill post it inthread when I do it

Wisdom, your approach whenever someone disagrees with you is to call them either wrong or scum.

What would having people chip in possibly change?

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if you had control of the swap, who would you swap (if anyone) DV?

I would swap Bu and Fitz and still lynch group 2 I think

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what don't you do as scum?

Anything I've done
Try to paint Kokichi as lying only to agree with him afterwards
Try to lynch my group only to back off afterwards because I thought of a better plan
etc etc
Its a trajectory thing. Its obvious I do things as I think them through and as things change. While as scum I'd have a certain agenda I'd be strongly pushing from the beginning.

I feel like this is probably underselling your scum game, although I'm not personally familiar with it.

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I'm not a great scum player by any means, but faking a trajectory and throwing in some weird things that "scum wouldn't do" isn't that hard.

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I dont care.

What made you start caring?

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lets do this differently
dv, if you knew that me and kokichi are town, would you agree with my plan?

I would still be hesitant about RMOJ being the person swapped out of 3, but I wouldn't be as hesitant.

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Muffin, I think Wisdom is more likely town than scum fwiw.

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Where I'm at right now approximately:

Town

BuJaber
Wisdom
Dramonic

[GAP]

Northsidegal
Koki
Muffin

[GAP]

SirCakez
Eddie Cane

[GAP]

Riku
REALMEN
Pine

[GAP]

Havingfitz

Scum

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If Muffin were to swap himself and Fitz, I'd be willing to lynch Group 3.

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That’s close enough I guess.

VOTE: Group 3

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I had fun playing with everyone here and I actually really enjoyed the setup idea! Would play again.

I was really bummed not getting to use my role, but I thought it would be far more useful later in the game than earlier and I was hoping I wouldn't get killed. Ah well.

I think that there were lots of unfortunate circumstances here and no one should feel bad about how the game went!

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But also well done to the scumteam. They did awesomely