Mini 2011: Partition Mafia (Game Over)

[Pine]

VOTE: 1

Because fuck those guys.

[Pine]

I'm disappointed too. I was *really* hoping to roll scum. I was planning to do something ballsy like 6/6/me.

I think there's a chance that all scum are in one group. It would be rather easy to neverbus in that case, as you could justify it by not wanting to get rid of yourself.

If, for example, scum put themselves all in group 2, along with two players who prefer to dominate conversation, you'd need to get 7/8 of all remaining players to vote group 2 to succeed.

...

Calling scumteam as {BuJaber, Kokichi, riku}

VOTE: 2

...slightly serious? Maybe?

[Pine]

Can't be explicit, this isn't Speakeasy.

[Pine]

Votes must be of the form VOTE: 1 or VOTE: Group 1

[Pine]

No alt-outing pressure please. It's rude.

[Pine]

hey wassup

I'm sorry, you're telling me you have an actual SR off of this? Or are you pushing an out of game vendetta for a serious game?

Hint: Neither of these is actually okay.

[Pine]

Nnnnnah

2 has been too easy to push. Muffinman's phantom case on DeasVail is making me uncomfortable, and the rest of 3 is lurkerish.

VOTE: 3

(Egads! Votehopping! It's only page three and Pine has voted for every player, even himself! Lynch it with fire!)

[Pine]

If scum is smart, they would have just put all their eggs in one basket and done all 3 of them in one group, and then have 1 or 2 people we are town that are great at town telling, so to make people not lynch their group.

wait did you actually repeat what pine said

He didnt say that

Actually that's a pretty neat paraphrase of what I said.

I'm going to operate on the assumption that scum would do what I would, which is to bet big but thin. All eggs in one basket until evidence to the contrary. As Muffin is the only one actually acting scummy at this point, the presumption is Group 3

[Pine]

His weird agenda-based push on DV.

[Pine]

hey wassup

I mean, this is DV's entire ISO. So his push comes off as either scum-driven or not-game-related, either of which are anti-Town.

It's early, and this is the best I have to go on.

[Pine]

Shrug. It strikes me as odd and unnatural. Everyone else is either NAI, towning, or faking it well enough to pass muster.

[Pine]

all of group 3 except jungle (who hasn't posted and i forget who thats a hydra of) is pushing group 1, cool cool.

This

[Pine]

Draaaaaam <3

[Pine]

you misunderstood the second one
real was responding to me re: who is better scum

mb
I see what you're getting at regardless, but I don't agree just yet.


Speaking of DV I am wondering where they are now that it's been about a day.

Probably off trying to come up with another two-word scumslip

[Pine]

Because it's a tempting target for scum to move on and they aren't.

[Pine]

^This feels wolfy

[Pine]

riku is so flipping red

I'm seeing it too. I think BuJ may be too.

I think that I was interpreting the reluctance to vote 2 inverted. I was thinking it was because of scum reluctance/low-hanging fruit etc. Now I'm thinking my first post on the matter was right, they have members in here.

VOTE: 2

For Aiur!

[Pine]

^kokichi trying to get us not to lynch group 2

Same reaction. Out of my head please

[Pine]

I'm getting scumvibes rn from Riku, BuJaber, Dramonic (sry bb ilu), Muffin, and Kokichi. Tally ho!

[Pine]

That's why I'm getting scumvibes. He's opaque.

G3 is probably better. Fitz is right, I'm not sure hitting 1-ish scum is worth losing Wis and I. In contrast, I could lose all of G3, the only one not giving me scumvibes is abrasive RMOJ. No loss there.

VOTE: 3

(nuuuuu drammmm)

[Pine]

I'm getting scumvibes rn from Riku, BuJaber, Dramonic (sry bb ilu), Muffin, and Kokichi. Tally ho!

I forgot Cakez in this list.

[Pine]

@dram:

@cakez, bolded was @you re: dram:

That's why I'm getting scumvibes. He's opaque.

G3 is probably better. Fitz is right, I'm not sure hitting 1-ish scum is worth losing Wis and I. In contrast, I could lose all of G3, the only one not giving me scumvibes is abrasive RMOJ. No loss there.

VOTE: 3

(nuuuuu drammmm)

[Pine]

Ah. Dram is always opaque though which makes me wary to lean either way for that reason.

Well, you and Muffin are scummy, so if I have to lay my friend dram upon the pyre for Great Justice to be served, so be it.

[Pine]

Wis

dram/cakez/Muffin

Vote 3 with me. We can slay Riku tomorrow, together.

[Pine]

Also, so, umm.

Ordinarily I'd keep my trap shut on setup spec re: Town PRs, even SR others for it...but this is an unusual situation.

Should we be pausing at L-1 for claims? Or do we think this is mountainous?

PE: Scummy in this game doesn't make him not my friend. He as much as said he was only playing this game to play with me.

[Pine]

oh hey it's Pine. I can maybe survive this ordeal.
/in for partition.

[Pine]

{kokichi, pine, Riku} contains at least two scum
All of them have felt really fake when it comes to suspecting group 2

The difference is that, if this is the direction we decide to go, I'll gladly light the match myself. G2 or G3 are both good for today.

I just think that long-term strategy is better served by G3 today.

[Pine]

Follow up would be to pine: if it's a vanilla game what do claims at L-1 tell us?

A mountainous game tells us not to bother demanding claims at L-1. That's all.

[Pine]

Blah blah blah

And when we nail 2 scum today, the ratio goes to 8:1.

This setup is swingy. No excuses, play like a champion.

[Pine]

At this point I feel I have to hang myself to prove to Wis that I'm not scum. *eyeroll*

Whatever, I'm down for it. I've got nothing to lose. I just want G3 first, I think it contains 2 scum.

[Pine]

Sigh.

Wisdom, you fucking suck at reading me.

[Pine]

Well you're doing terrible right now.

[Pine]

*eye roll*

Fucking terrible.

[Pine]

Current reads

1	2	3
DeasVail	BuJaber	dramonic
Eddie Cane	Kokichi Oma	REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE
havingfitz	Pine	SirCakez
northsidegal	riku	zMuffinMan
	Wisdom

I might vote 3 after all

That's what I've been saying. I'm ready to "die with honor," but I think three is a better tactical decision

[Pine]

Eddie, Fitz, and especially NSG all feel solidly Town to me. I don't remember DV's meta well enough to make a judgment yet, but Muffin wants him and Muffin is still pinging me.

[Pine]

*shrug*

Attitude, tone. Not at my computer or I'd find examples in ISO.

[Pine]

Shrug

Point stands, I have no interest in G1. If nothing else, I have bigger fish to fry and want Fitz and NSG around.

[Pine]

Yeah be more readfluid

[Pine]

VOTE: 2

Kokichi I will never trust you again, in any capacity, if you're lying.

[Pine]

Scum out of 2 is probably some combination of {Cakez, dram, Muffin} in rough order of suspicion.

[Pine]

1 in {BuJ, riku}. I was suspecting Kokichi, but if this claim is real, it obviates that.

I think it's 2 in {dram, Muffin, Cakez}. However, all three have sufficient suspicion on them that I trust they'll go down with or without you and I, Wis.

There is also the fact that on D2, you and I will certainly be split so we may more easily be pitted against one another. If I'm not dead today, I can very easily be the source of a ML later, which would likely take Townie(s) with me. So I'll die with honor, taking one with me, rather than die uselessly.

[Pine]

On another topic since 2 is dying today - can we talk about REALMEN? I just looked at their ISO and it's entirely shitposting, mechanics talk and unexplained reads. There's no real gamesolving. IDK how I had them at null.

Lol no, this is scared scum. Go ahead, try to take down the unexpectedly ballsy guy. See if that works for you.

[Pine]

Cakez

[Pine]

HURT: Cakez

Swapping scum to 3 is probably best, but we have no idea who it is, so it's not viable.

[Pine]

Wisdom

I am Town

If I were scum I would NOT be advocating a self-lynch. I am actively campaigning for it.

Kokichi says there's scum in 2. Swap him out for Cakez, that's a double scum lynch.

Quit being a pansy.

PE: We are not lynching 3 anymore. 2 has guaranteed scum in it, and it's not me. I get lynched with either plan, so go with the guaranteed 1-2 scum lynch

[Pine]

Fuck it

I am actually entirely fine with a G3 swapping me in for RMOJ

Suboptimal, but I'm prettt sure it's still 2 scum

Actually wait. That means 1 Town plus me dies. And you know for sure that one of G2 is the remaining

I endorse this

Tell me which to vote

[Pine]

2 Town 2 scum dead > 3 scum 2 scum dead.

As long as Cakez and I are both dead, I'm happy

[Pine]

Yes

Aggressively advocating my own lynch

Incredibly scummy.

[Pine]

yep pine is now trying to get me not to swap him but ill still swap him

FUCKING DO IT

I AM TRYING TO GET LYNCHED

G2 with Cakez swapped in
G3 with Pine swapped in

Either way I die and take scum with me

So sure

I am scum

Please lynch me

[Pine]

@wisdom; does your role reset the votecount?

yes

ok. i'm contemplating the value of a mass-claim now

i think scum probably has a decent idea of what the setup looks like anyway and it would allow for some possible role co-ordination

i have a similar role with slightly different rules (i can only swap myself and someone, it also resets the votecount)

Do not massclaim

Bite me scum muffin

[Pine]

Deal with it

I'm about to greenflip and hopefully take you with me

[Pine]

you're advocating for lynching town when we have confirmed scum.

Actually, I'm advocating G2, which has the confscum

But I am comfortable being switched to G3, because you scumfucks die with me

[Pine]

I'm a VT btw

[Pine]

i dont care if you trust me, youre scum trying to prevent the lynch of you and your buddies anyway

@dram

I think it's safer to switch me and someone else. If we switch someone we scumread and they arent the scum, then we are screwed.

Agreed. I would like to take Cakez with me please

[Pine]

So Wisdom, what happens if Pine isn't the scum? I like the safe option of switching me out for someone scummy.

Hint: I'm not.
Hint2: I still should be lynched today.

[Pine]

So we're all agreed, we're lynching me

In the group we know contains scum

Swapping out confirmed Town for another scumspect like Cakez or Dram

[Pine]

Plz lynch group 2

Swap scummy people into it

Ready to die for the cause

[Pine]

Swapping Pine for dram as it is. Probably in a few hours.

if dram is scum you cucked yourself

if pine is town you cucked yourself double

proceed

Double-cucked Wis, then.

I hate this game.

Lynch me for safety, annihilate the center row because guilty.

Swap in a scummy player like Cakez, dram, Muffin also good.

[Pine]

yeah pine see i think you're town but you dead isn't so bad (see: you're perfectly willing to die for the cause) but wisdom saving drambird, if SCUM, from annihilation would be pretty poop

Concur.

I need to die to eliminate the possibility of me being the cause of a ML in future days, and I want to take Dram or Cakez with me. Muffin also acceptable.

I also do not want to lose the opportunity presented by Kokichi's guilty.

[Pine]

If we're switching me for Muffin (my weakest SR in 3), I'll happily go down with that ship.

[Pine]

Waiting for Muffin to swap me to G3.

[Pine]

Waiting for Muffin to swap me to G3.

i regret not swapping pine
this makes no sense

Muffin's another switcher, right?

I thought the plan was to swap RMOJ-riku and Pine-Muffin, then lynch 3 for a solid chance at a clean scum sweep.

[Pine]

Also, Koki's advantage is NOT thrown.

Swap me and riku out to G3. Lynch. If we both flip Town, we know there is scum in {Wisdom, BuJaber}.

This is not complicated, but dram et al are still trying to muddy the waters.

@Muffin: If you're Town, put me in G3 to be lynched. I insist.

[Pine]

Waiting for Muffin to swap me to G3.

i regret not swapping pine
this makes no sense

Muffin's another switcher, right?

I thought the plan was to swap RMOJ-riku and Pine-Muffin, then lynch 3 for a solid chance at a clean scum sweep.

You know yourself to be town.
Why do you want to be switched into group 3?
Do you expect Riku to flip town?

I have explained REPEATEDLY.

I am so widely scumread that I am GOING to be lynched eventually. I want to be lynched NOW so I am not the cause of a ML which brings Townies down with me later in the game.

PE: Good job, Cakez! Help me lynch myself!

[Pine]

No WIFOM

I absolutely DEMAND to be lynched to clarify things.

I want to also take Cakez with me, he's trying desperately to cast my push as WIFOM so it doesn't succeed in lynching both of us.

[Pine]

Shut the fuck up with the backbiting, Eddie.

Now is not the time.

It's done.

Roll with the new reality.

Swap Pine and Muffin

Lynch Group 3 for GREAT JUSTICE.

[Pine]

I am so widely scumread that I am GOING to be lynched eventually. I want to be lynched NOW so I am not the cause of a ML which brings Townies down with me later in the game.

then you expect riku to flip town

Actually, I think there's a solid chance he's scum, especially with Koki's guilty.

I think we have a VERY GOOD chance of catching the entire scumteam of {dramonic, Cakez, Riku} in one swoop for the LOW LOW price of my lynch.

I AM OKAY WITH THAT

Look how FUCKING HARD dram and Cakez are trying to derail this plan and discredit me!

[Pine]

I think we have a VERY GOOD chance of catching the entire scumteam of {dramonic, Cakez, Riku} in one swoop for the LOW LOW price of my lynch.

the point is we DONT need your swap for that

While this is a good point, I am a heavily-suspected VT and Muffin is a PR. Save him, lose me, everyone is better off.

[Pine]

Wis will murder me for this but I like lynching group 2 even more now b/c my two strongest scumspects are there now and if they all god forbid are town then riku is confscum.
this won't happen though of course

This is one of the scummiest posts I have EVER SEEN EVER. It is ASTONISHINGLY self-serving.

[Pine]

Why am I trying to prosecute this to the peanut gallery?

@MUFFIN: OKAY, I GET IT YOU'RE TOWN

SWAP ME INTO GROUP 3, I THINK THERE'S A 60-70% CHANCE WE WIN THE GAME D1

PLEASE READ MY ISO FROM TODAY

[Pine]

group 3 will almost certainly die anyway I was just tossing that out there so that postgame we can all look at the post and sigh

SURE SURE

BACKPEDAL MOAR

[Pine]

what happened to pine

It was literally five minutes from my last post.

GOD FORBID I CHANGE MY DAUGHTER AND DISCUSS GOING TO THE STORE WITH MY WIFE

PLEASE ALLOW ME TO CHAIN MYSELF TO MY KEYBOARD TO RESPOND TO YOUR BULLSHIT CAKEZ, MY BAD

PE: Eddie that doesn't appear possible. G3 has four possible slots. Pine, Riku, Cakez, Dramonic is what we'd get if Muffin swapped me for him.

I endorse this lynch selection wholeheartedly. It contains 2-3 scum. SOLID.

[Pine]

Cakez I'm going to the store in a few minutes. Try not to spasm if I don't post for ten or more minutes.

what happened to pine

It was literally five minutes from my last post.

GOD FORBID I CHANGE MY DAUGHTER AND DISCUSS GOING TO THE STORE WITH MY WIFE

PLEASE ALLOW ME TO CHAIN MYSELF TO MY KEYBOARD TO RESPOND TO YOUR BULLSHIT CAKEZ, MY BAD

PE: Eddie that doesn't appear possible. G3 has four possible slots. Pine, Riku, Cakez, Dramonic is what we'd get if Muffin swapped me for him.

I endorse this lynch selection wholeheartedly. It contains 2-3 scum. SOLID.

What's your answer if it is possible?

PE: I think RMOJ is Town, so it's suboptimal. That said, it contains all my top preferences for today's lynch, so if you can make it happen, go for it.

[Pine]

Are you reading the game Pine?

Most of it. I hardcore skimmed the ten pages overnight, but otherwise every post.

[Pine]

I hard SR dram, ftr

[Pine]

I forgive you.

I forgive you too, fren!
<3

[Pine]

See, this is the difference between adversarial discourse and toxic antagonism.

I still like dram and Cakez and even Wisdom, despite the fact that we have been DOING BATTLE this game.

<3 you guyz

[Pine]

Right? Fuck those fucking fucks.

You're scum, but I kind of want to keep playing with you. You're a worthy opponent.

[Pine]

Maybe we need a new subculture, like the Geriatrics, for games without assholes.

Your reads have been awful this game Pine.

Maybe! But they're honest.

Personally, I think you're taking advantage of the cessation in hostilities to slip in a bit of AtE, but that's fair play.

[Pine]

No no, "hostilities," as in the military term. This is the Christmas truce of 1914. Let's play soccer.

Sorry, English can be confusing.

[Pine]

Actually, my input has been "Kill me, dram, Cakez, and Riku" for a possible D1 win.

That's a bit more comprehensive.

[Pine]

Including myself is to prevent future mishaps. Also for consistency's sake.

I feel like people are finally starting to see that I'm honest Town here, but that goes away if I don't commit to the plan.

Besides - either this is Town commitment or scum gambiting. Lynch it either way. Don't puss out on me here.

[Pine]

There is exactly one situation (afaik) where I don't self-vote here. Not saying it because a scum switcher could screw the whole plan.

[Pine]

pine if you want to have a chance at lynching 3 scum d1 like youre claiming you dont fucking include yourself
that goes against your chances

I'm pretty sure it's {Riku, dram, Cakez}.

Okay, I thought of a second scenario. If Muffin wanted to move BuJaber into G3 I'd vote that too. I think he's next on the list of suspicion, then maybe Eddie (I don't like Eddie's attempts to derail the plan)

[Pine]

Wis why are you coaching him

He's not. Even if he were, I don't coach well. I do my own thing to satisfy my own reads, and if I disagree he can fuck himself for all I care.

[Pine]

If Muffin wanted to move BuJaber into G3 I'd vote that too.

No way. Bu is town.

Riku
Kokichi
Bu
Pine
Wis

If the scum Kokichi detected isn't himself, isn't you, and isn't me, then it's {Riku, Bu}. He's the only choice, aside from me. I appreciate that you've gotten cold feet on me, it makes me happy that we can work through our differences. But mechanically, Bu is next on the list. He is the ENTIRE REST of the list.

[Pine]

Bu is universally town read lol

No he is not

You saying that makes me want his blood more.

[Pine]

I could get behind that I guess.

Who's your G1 scum? I think Eddie's most likely, but he's still probably Town

[Pine]

Look now he's lining up lynches for tomorrow after group 3 mostly/completely flips town
P-edit besides you Pine

How can I line up lynches if I flip red?

[Pine]

Ehhhh nah

Fitz is Townish

[Pine]

The first two work for me

[Pine]

Well, no. I'd rather you swapped yourself out for SOMEONE.

[Pine]

i more get the impression pine is scum who knows riku is flipping town
hes both trying to get attention on bu (as alternative guilty in g2) and trying to mindfuck muffin into not swapping him into g3

As much as this is absolutely something I would do

And as much as I am flattered by your apparent regard for my scumgame

This is not a thing I am doing

[Pine]

is it possible to just ignore him? it's a silly gimmick but i sincerely doubt he's doing it with any ill intent (if anything, it's slightly mocking the stereotypes you're talking about)

anyway, i'll be catching up on the pages i missed while asleep between things at work

Endorse this.

Sorry dram. I wish he’d tone it down, but it’s in the ‘mildly offensive gimmick’ neighborhood rather than something I actually take umbrage to.

That said, I’m not going to denigrate any offense you’ve taken, so *shrug*

[Pine]

Okay friends, let’s simmer down.

RMOJ, please tone it down. There are other ways to express the sentiment you’re driving at.

Dram et al, relax. Give everyone a chance to back down.

So, how about that 2-3 scumlynch?

[Pine]

Which, of course, is an answer.

[Pine]

Happy scumday indeed, dram!

Yeah Riku is scummmmm

Delighted to burn G3 the fuck down

VOTE: G3

[Pine]

Inb4 beloved princess

[Pine]

Guys

Scum being able to move others would be overpowered

Scum able to move themselves makes sense

That’s a scumclaim from cakez

[Pine]

If youre town dont use it
You flipping town makes muffin most likely scum
If both of you survive today we get no info in that front
And i assume thats why muffin wants you to use it

I’m leaning towards a straight lynch of G3 now, though I’m a little put out that I might not be lynched. I was kind of looking forward to the dead thread.

[Pine]

I said it the moment you suggested those roles exist that not all are town

no, you didn't. or if you did i missed it. i remember you asking me the question, though

but for someone who has been so strongly pushing that we shouldn't make the OPTIMAL CHOICE because of reads, i find it hilarious that you can push that angle without blinking an eyelid

who actually has a townread on wisdom and why?

I’m waffling on Wis

Mostly I’ve been focusing on D1 and hoping that solves the problem, or at least that trying to read that enigma becomes Not My Problem anymore.

[Pine]

Also, come on people. A role that can only move itself has ZERO Town utility and TONS of scum utility. Cakez is scumzor.

[Pine]

i really do hope people are actually reading and paying attention to all of wisdom's recent posts

Ehhhhh, if you were this concerned about Widsom, you'd swap him into G3.

I'm back to a Muffin SR.

Let's lynch G3 as is.

[Pine]

That is after all the Townish thing to do.

[Pine]

Sigh

We're going to have a perfect setup on scum and then they're going to abandon ship, aren't they?

[Pine]

Not fake. Genuine irritation.

Seriously. {Cakez, Riku, dramonic, Muffin} is all scum, like 75-80% confidence.

[Pine]

I do appreciate you, Muffin.

Town wouldn't ask that, Cakez. They don't know how Dram and Riku are going to flip, remember?

[Pine]

probably he will conifer with others

Please have my babies

Ordinarily I'm very anti-pun, but that one was clever.

[Pine]

Shit I didn't get to vote for myself

VOTE: 3

For glorrrryyyyyyy

Currently suspecting Muffin, maaaaaybe Wisdom.

REMEMBER: IF RIKU FLIPS TOWN, THERE IS 100% SCUM IN {WISDOM, BUJABER}

[Pine]

dram at least we get to relax together in the dead thread <3

[Pine]

Yeah, the fact that it was pulling teeth to get G3 lynched when Muffin was in it but so ridiculously fast once he was out tells me that the last scum they could evacuate was out.

RMOJ, please sacrifice Muffin upon my altar, okay?

[Pine]

Also, there are scum voting for G3 rn. This was the best deal they could get.

[Pine]

I think it's more like Wisdom/Eddie/DV, but sure.

[Pine]

Also, Wisdom, you can't read me for shit. Apparently unless I make a grand gesture like laying myself upon the pyre.

[Pine]

Scum did a good job, too. Kokichi's gambit arguably won the game.