Open 724 - Pick Your Power X/Y [Endgame]

[Mathdino]

hell no i am not taking a pagebottom

FUCK YOU GUYS, LOVEBIRD IS FUCKING TOWN AND HERE'S WHY

READ THIS IF YOU'RE SCUMREADING HER, FOOLS

VOTE: math
Why did you pick 2

2 is one of the scummiest numbers in this setup, this was a valid question to ask. I can see this as scum if scum with Janitor (chainsaw defending his draft pick) but then we should probably fucking flip Janitor (the scummier player) first, no?

Btw, I asked a friend if I should pick 6 or 7. I thought 7, but she said 6. Annoying.

The scumteam coordinated the draft picks. They've done so in every iteration of this setup. Lovebird as scum would not be the one to coordinate everything.

I don't think Lovebird out of the blue comes up with a great idea to lie about where she got her number from. She was the first one to do this, and this is why she was town originally.

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Ausuka is scum

VOTE: Ausuka

There's no argument here or effort to push Ausuka (despite Ausuka having a lot of scum equity).

Unexplained gutreads are fucking townish, people. You just don't like how she plays.

LOVEBIRD can you TALK TO ME about WHY this sort of reasoning is MORE likely to come from scum? Σ(-᷅_-᷄๑)
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Also where do YOU think Math-sensei's townread of you is coming from? (ﾉ^ヮ^)ﾉ*:・ﾟ✧

Just, scummy way of talking. Nervousness, skittish.

Idk, I tricked math as scum before. Fine with him townreading me, though

And Lovebird did have reasons the whole time. Scum-Lovebird makes an effort to actually show that she's doing work instead of just plopping a vote on someone. If Lovebird were scum,

you would be townreading her.

And ffs she dismantled my townread of her by bragging about having tricked me, which is something that I never brought up. (key: she tricked me by just acting like powertown)

Me dropping the ball on defending her is part of why she's in this position. This is literally an anti-scum move if she's scum.

Ok bye.

are you caught up lovebird?

Stopped reading

This was after I suggested policyvigging Lovebird.

Dying is worse for your alignment as scum than it is as town. Lovebird-scum is entirely capable of towning it up, instead she gives up.

The reason the "woe is me" doesn't fly with me usually is because scum use it for AtE. The question is whether Lovebird in particular just gives up on the game

WITH A DAYTALK SCUMTEAM

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No, she fucking doesn't. She's town who doesn't give a shit.

Not explainging things isn't my scum style. Everyone just always townreads big walls and explanations anyways.

Proof that Lovebird is fully aware of how to be townread in a game like this.

VOTE: Iconeum

Idk.

VOTE: Taly

These votes are suicidal. Lovebird is practically asking to be lynched here. If she were a Vengeful, then sure, but she wouldn't be demotivated about me asking her to be vigged if she were literally the vig/vengeful.

Only taking out eddie and mutant because I think ausuka is scum.

I don't get the correlation?

You and ausuka both picked six. So, don't townread you, but if ausuka is scum then you'd be town. Think mutant is scum if you're scum, if you're town then your read probably right on him

This is nuanced reasoning and it actually makes sense from her POV. But again, she didn't make a show of it like she does as scum. She's holding her cards close.

Lovebird is town. I will only accept her death on an Ausuka townflip.

REMINDER: You're scumreading Lovebird because you don't like how she's been playing, not because she's actually done anything objectively scum-indicative.

[SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis]

There's no argument here or effort to push Ausuka (despite Ausuka having a lot of scum equity).

Unexplained gutreads are fucking townish, people. You just don't like how she plays.

She DID explain it though, and the reasoning did NOT make sense (ʃ⌣́,⌣́ƪ)

I don't really like the people jumping on the wagon BUT what are scum doing in trying to lynch a VT instead of a PR? it just doesn't make sense, it's more likely to me that I'm just WRONG on a scumread besides lovebird ┐(‘～`；)┌

[Mathdino]

Because not making sense is a scumtell now? Come on. She's been spending the entire game calling people town that she could've jumped on or wagoned. She entered saying "yknow, everyone so far is probably town". She called Ircher town, displayed dissatisfaction with enough wagons to decide to try voting Iconeum and Taly of all people. I didn't say her reads were GOOD (although I trust her on Ausuka here, Ausuka can be tone-read AFAIK).

Like I just said, scum are NOT trying to lynch a VT. This wagon is town-motivated and probably only has 1 scum on it (unless Lalendra is scum, in which case maybe 2 scum). Scum are trying to lynch and/or bus Lalendra.

And The Janitor is getting ignored.

[SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis]

I think generally if someone does something that doesn't make sense if they're town, they're scum. I do often see scum taking refuge in audacity, doing things that make no sense so people are like "why do that as scum?"

LOVEBIRD can you TALK TO ME about WHY this sort of reasoning is MORE likely to come from scum? Σ(-᷅_-᷄๑)

When I first read it I liked the NUANCE of the angle but after some sleep it doesnt ping me as town BUT I don't really scumread it? 「(°ヘ°)

Also where do YOU think Math-sensei's townread of you is coming from? (ﾉ^ヮ^)ﾉ*:・ﾟ✧

Just, scummy way of talking. Nervousness, skittish.

Idk, I tricked math as scum before. Fine with him townreading me, though

Not making sense is SCUMMY when it shows that you're EMOTIONALLY detached to people's posting

HOW was Ausuka-chan nervous or skittish? Her posting does NOT strike me that way Σ(-᷅_-᷄๑)

[SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis]

Whom is the one scum? Davesaz? Ircher? Lalendra?

[Mathdino]

PYP X/Y is insanely difficult to get a scumlynch on D1 due to numbers. And when scum IS lynched on D1, it's because of bussing or a hilariously bad scumteam.

That alone should tell you Lovebird is town. Frustrating for me because it kinda makes D1 a lost cause. We're probably collectively wrong on a townread somewhere.

But on top of that, it seems like you guys are just assuming Lovebird is some shit scum player when she's really not at all.

Lovebird isn't actually a god of scumplay, but she's BASICALLY a god of scumplay.

[Mathdino]

Not making sense is SCUMMY when it shows that you're EMOTIONALLY detached to people's posting

HOW was Ausuka-chan nervous or skittish? Her posting does NOT strike me that way Σ(-᷅_-᷄๑)

Bullshit. Again, if she wanted to pounce on Ausuka having a weird tone (which she generally does have), she could've easily said "this feels nervous/scummy, VOTE: Ausuka" instead of just "yep scum VOTE: [Someone No One Is Scumreading]" (which is a thing she did like 3 or 4 times).

Whom is the one scum? Davesaz? Ircher? Lalendra?

Any of the above. I don't have as good a handle on the collective PoE pool to tell you who's scum, but Lovebird is by FAR the towniest of our lynch options today.

Scum-bird doesn't get wagoned...

[SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis]

Bullshit. Again, if she wanted to pounce on Ausuka having a weird tone (which she generally does have), she could've easily said "this feels nervous/scummy, VOTE: Ausuka" instead of just "yep scum VOTE: [Someone No One Is Scumreading]" (which is a thing she did like 3 or 4 times).

You don't think she would ATTEMPT to mimic her town way of pushing things as scum? Ohtrewise I'm not really sure what your argument here is if that's not what you mean... (ʃ⌣́,⌣́ƪ)

[SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis]

UNVOTE:

PERMIT me to give this thought.

[Mathdino]

Yes, she WOULD attempt to mimic her town way of pushing things.

THIS ISN'T HOW SHE DOES THAT. GO META HER.

Having an offgame (and honestly probably being disappointed that she didn't get a power role) is not scum-indicative.

Hammers on Lovebird are scum btw.

[SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis]

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[SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis]

AUGH these scumgames aren't USEFUL （♯▼皿▼）

MATH-SENSEI what do you recommend I read? (҂⌣̀_⌣́)

[Mathdino]

Won't You Be My Neighbor is the one where she tricked me.

I meta'd her and successfully found a towntell/scumtell, and then royally fucked up the execution not realising that she'd dropped the scumtell.

Then I outed the tell

[SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis]

Which PT should I read? Σ(-᷅_-᷄๑)

[SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis]

IGNORE my question I just realized that there was only ONE scum in that game (－‸ლ)

HOW is that applicable meta (⊙︿⊙✿)

[Mathdino]

It's only non-applicable if you think Lovebird has valid associations or reads arbitrary enough to indicate that she's protecting her scumbuddies or is aware of who's scum. It applies however to her ability to fake reasoning, fake reads, and not spew her knowledge of who's town.

[SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis]

YEAH but the style of the game is different, OF COURSE she won't talk about the reads the same way? To me it's hard to SAY

Perhaps I will try to read through the LARGE...

[SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis]

Subject: Large Normal 210 - Endgame

Aneninen and Macabre not scum together.

Not really sure about a policy lynch day one.

Subject: Large Normal 210 - Endgame

So I'm actually gonna explain myself this time.

Lovebird is scum. The association given in 23 is stupid and it sounds like scum acting way too smart for their own good. Also we haven't had enough RVS time. I don't like how she didn't wait for a good half of the game to even post to break the silence.

She says Mac and Oma aren't linked. Her vote was initially on Mac. Why does it change to Oma? Really unnatural ingenuine play.

Don't like the tone in their posts either.

Σ(-᷅_-᷄๑)

[SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis]

(－‸ლ)

nevermind she was TOWN ((●≧艸≦)

[the worst]

It's just her posting style

I was hooded with her in a recent game where she was obviously town and still panicked that she might be scum

[Mathdino]

It's just

Lalendra's

posting style

I

played

with her in a recent game where she was obviously town and still panicked that she might be scum

agreed

[the worst]

It's just

LOVEBIRD'S

posting style

I

played

with her in a recent game where she was obviously town and still panicked that she might be scum

agreed

same here

[SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis]

I feel like posting style would bleed through as EITHER alignment though, and I really DO think EMOTIONAL MISREADS are scummy Σ(-᷅_-᷄๑)

EDDIE-KUN what should we do?

[Mathdino]

we should either lynch janitor through a claim or lalendra through a claim

i prefer janitor, lalendra feels like a designated mislynch

[the worst]

If Lalendra flips green I'll sheep you