Resistance Game #3- 6p with Leadership

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Post Post #10 (isolation #0) » Tue May 08, 2018 8:26 pm

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Me me me
Me and you pine
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Post Post #14 (isolation #1) » Tue May 08, 2018 9:59 pm

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I'm not the mod but I assume yes and 6 (full cycle)

Aight Pine good plan.
Sabotaged mission 1 is better for town anyway.
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Post Post #19 (isolation #2) » Wed May 09, 2018 8:47 pm

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Both.
We discuss and offer suggestions.
The leader chooses.
We vote on his choice.
If we get 4 or more "yes" votes it passes. 3 or more fails it doesn't go and the next leader chooses the team.
If no mission is approved 6 times in a row the spies get an automatic point.
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Post Post #20 (isolation #3) » Wed May 09, 2018 8:48 pm

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In post 19, BuJaber wrote:If we get 4 or more "yes" votes it passes. 3 or more fails it doesn't go and the next leader chooses the team.
3 or more "no" votes.

Do not mix up pass/fail of missions with yes/no of pre mission voting.
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Post Post #23 (isolation #4) » Thu May 10, 2018 1:43 am

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I would probably vote yes for any 2 this round. But I prefer HEAL: Pine & Buj
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Post Post #24 (isolation #5) » Thu May 10, 2018 1:45 am

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Actually yeah I'll definitely vote yes for any team
Even a fail round 1 is good for town if we just play the next mission(s) correctly. In fact I suspect with 6 players since there are only 2 spies and 4 resistance a first round fail would be really good because it narrows the possibilities significantly.
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Post Post #26 (isolation #6) » Thu May 10, 2018 2:01 am

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Good luck
You'll beg me to join the mission later once I'm confirmed town.
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Post Post #29 (isolation #7) » Thu May 10, 2018 2:23 am

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In post 27, Pine wrote::roll:

That’s not a thing in Resistance. All this bluster is making me think scum
It is if 2 missions fail that I'm not a part of
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Post Post #31 (isolation #8) » Thu May 10, 2018 11:23 am

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Do people forget these games because they're mish mash / frogster world B or is my sense of time off.. shouldn't we have more going on?
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Post Post #37 (isolation #9) » Thu May 10, 2018 7:53 pm

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Congratulations Pine
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Post Post #44 (isolation #10) » Fri May 11, 2018 4:27 am

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Funnily enough I wasn't even thinking about Pine when I asked because he was actually posting.
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Post Post #57 (isolation #11) » Fri May 11, 2018 9:54 pm

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You guys have weird definitions of obvtown and obvscum.

If pine is obvtown this game I should at least be a townlean.

I don't want pine/TW. I don't trust them as a duo.
They suspect me for being eager to go but they're too eager to townread the other which is far worse. You know your own alognment you don't know anyone else's. Where's the healthy amount of doubt?
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Post Post #58 (isolation #12) » Fri May 11, 2018 9:57 pm

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Pine I'll vote yes for anyone except you and TW.
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Post Post #60 (isolation #13) » Sat May 12, 2018 12:17 am

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Point is I don't want both scum on the same mission
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Post Post #61 (isolation #14) » Sat May 12, 2018 12:19 am

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Not unless everyone agrees that if it fails then neither TW nor Pine are allowed on mission 2.
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Post Post #63 (isolation #15) » Sat May 12, 2018 12:25 am

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For the record that applies to any 2 people not just pine/TW.

If first mission fails we choose 3 new people.
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Post Post #64 (isolation #16) » Sat May 12, 2018 12:26 am

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You really think spies always pass the first mission?

That ignorance is so cute I'm actually townreading it.
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Post Post #65 (isolation #17) » Sat May 12, 2018 12:28 am

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Fine you can choose TW, pine.

If pine is spy and TW is resistance then Ico is most likely spy. Pine is wrong about me but he is not picking me for a reason. With Icon he just doesn't want him for what exactly?
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Post Post #70 (isolation #18) » Sat May 12, 2018 2:17 am

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Because they are sacrificing a point if they pass the first mission. And unlike a 5 player game where there is only 1 combination of 3-player team that is all town, a 6 player game has 4. Town can much more easily find a winning combination for the 3 man missions.
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Post Post #72 (isolation #19) » Sat May 12, 2018 2:31 am

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I haven't played 7p and this is my first 6p on forums.

I've played a lot in real life.

I get that forum format helps spies because there aren't any physical tells, but no way 7p is harder for spies.

Regardless I don't see why that would mean spies would never fail the first mission?
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Post Post #73 (isolation #20) » Sat May 12, 2018 2:33 am

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In other words 6p has to be one of if not the most town sided version you can play (assuming no special roles are added).

So spies are gonna think twice before sacrificing a point.
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Post Post #76 (isolation #21) » Sat May 12, 2018 2:41 am

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In post 74, the worst wrote:hold on will address mechanical issues when sober

but 3v4 scum throws shade + fucks wagon analysis = win
Mate I'm not disagreeing with that. But we're playing a 6p. It's 4 v 2 here.
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Post Post #83 (isolation #22) » Sat May 12, 2018 2:45 am

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In post 75, Pine wrote:
Send Team: Pine + BuJaber


Ah fuck it. Setup spec is fine.

This is unexpected and a little suspicious but fine.
HEAL: Pine & BuJ
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Post Post #85 (isolation #23) » Sat May 12, 2018 2:48 am

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Nah .. dino and I disgareed fundamentally on 5p mechanics. I don't trust his resistance game as much as I would trust his mafia game.

But what exactly isn't mechanically wrong? We talked about more than one thing.
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Post Post #86 (isolation #24) » Sat May 12, 2018 2:49 am

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Oh you meant did I read the actual game..
No I have not.. anything interesting happen?
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Post Post #103 (isolation #25) » Sun May 13, 2018 8:23 pm

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Because either pine realized his mistake or he is scum intending to fail the first mission.

If he is town he probably intimidated scum into accepting his mission.

But yeah don't think I haven't noticed pine and TW's change of heart.
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Post Post #119 (isolation #26) » Sun May 13, 2018 11:24 pm

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You're wrong about how good 2 scum on mission 1 are.

Unless proven otherwise if you see one fail in mission 1 you have to play with the assumption that the other is town.

Also both pine and TW accused me of being spy. If both of them go together I wouldn't trust either of them. If I'm in the mission I know for a fact if pine fails it or not.

If you have reasons to think 2 spies are good tell me. But don't scumread me for having a different strategy.

Play with the assumption that I am conf scum.. don't vote for me for any mission after that. You will confirm me town when 2 missions fail that I wasn't a part of.

I wouldn't be surprised if it isn't icon/pine here and this is just an act.

But either way you can't hide.
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Post Post #123 (isolation #27) » Sun May 13, 2018 11:59 pm

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It's suspicious as hell but I'm too egotistical I think I can convince town I'm the townie if he decides to sabotage the mission.
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Post Post #124 (isolation #28) » Mon May 14, 2018 12:00 am

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Honestly TW looks worse here if you see the progression of posts
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Post Post #125 (isolation #29) » Mon May 14, 2018 12:02 am

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Pine's town does suggest that he got over his first impression of me amd changed his mind.
TW in theory shouldn't trust either of us. He sounds like he's going with the flow.
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Post Post #128 (isolation #30) » Mon May 14, 2018 12:30 am

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Damn.. if Brie is scum I'd be thoroughly impressed.
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Post Post #130 (isolation #31) » Mon May 14, 2018 12:49 am

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Assuming mission 1 passes I'm fine with that team.

If mission 1 fails you can't pick me and pine so that IF mission 2 passes the player that didn't go on either mission is confirmed scum and if mission 2 fails that player is confirmed town.
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Post Post #148 (isolation #32) » Tue May 15, 2018 7:04 am

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TW would you consider choosing a team you're not a part of?
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Post Post #150 (isolation #33) » Tue May 15, 2018 7:18 am

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That's your reaction?

Because I'm thinking icon is confirmed town here.
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Post Post #151 (isolation #34) » Tue May 15, 2018 7:19 am

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You still think I'm spy that's your problem..

Okay let's use different words.. Icon's actions prove he can only be scum with me.
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Post Post #153 (isolation #35) » Tue May 15, 2018 8:00 am

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In post 152, TheGoldenParadox wrote:
In post 148, BuJaber wrote:TW would you consider choosing a team you're not a part of?
I don't think this is a strategy any leader should or would follow.
Yes thank you now he has the correct answer.

Was hoping he'd be overeager to gain buddies.
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Post Post #154 (isolation #36) » Tue May 15, 2018 8:06 am

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Pine and Icon if you agree to a pine/icon/buj mission we only need 1 vote with us and we can Nay 2 missions in a row to get to icon's turn.

Anybody who agrees and then betrays us when it's icon's turn would be scum claiming so it's as close to trust as we're going to get.
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Post Post #155 (isolation #37) » Tue May 15, 2018 8:07 am

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(We only need 3 votes to nay missions but the whole exercise would be for nothing if it we don't have 4 yays during icon's leadership)
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Post Post #168 (isolation #38) » Tue May 15, 2018 3:32 pm

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I want that team sent. TW won't accept to be outside of a mission, that'd look suspicious. Nor would TGP. So we have to decline pick and skip to icon's turn. But we need a 4th person to agree to it too.
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Post Post #169 (isolation #39) » Tue May 15, 2018 3:35 pm

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Yeah no Pine. No way tw and you are both town.
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Post Post #175 (isolation #40) » Tue May 15, 2018 7:46 pm

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Icon what's your read on brie.. she's an anomaly to me.
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Post Post #176 (isolation #41) » Tue May 15, 2018 7:47 pm

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I'm considering TW/Pine/TGP. I think it contains both scum.
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Post Post #177 (isolation #42) » Tue May 15, 2018 7:47 pm

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But between TGP and brie is a thin gap.
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Post Post #182 (isolation #43) » Tue May 15, 2018 8:58 pm

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Yeah if we are right and us 3 are all town then the last town has to trust us and vote with us. Which is not something we can guarantee.

@brie - no brie let me explain it better
I have 2 propositions for team 2 that I think have a shot at being approved.
One is : pine/me/Icon. Because pine didn't fail mission 1 and he might be town just disgareeing with everything. So it has a good chance of passing and if not we pretty much know pine is scum. But this would require that TW or TGP voting for a mission they're not in as leaders so it won't happen. So we have to skip both until icon becomes leader. To do so we need someone's word that they will vote with us. (Assuming pine also agrees). Betrayal after giving us their word would be a scumclaim. So yes it's risky but gives us a silver lining.

Second option is TGP/Pine/TW - in this scenario I am hoping to send the team that contains both scum which means they have to signal to each other OR they get nervous and give us a free point OR they mess up and put down 2 fails.
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Post Post #186 (isolation #44) » Wed May 16, 2018 1:11 am

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In post 185, TheBrie wrote:@BuJaber Makes sense now. The first option doesn't seem bad, but the second one is certainly easier to pull off. But since TW is scum-reading you, he's not necessarily going to pick that team. I may vote for another team if I like it. If the team isn't sent, we could see if TPG will send TGP/Pine/TW. If it goes on to Ico picking, then I will vote pine/BuJ/Icon.
I mean the beauty of the 2nd option is that it doesn't matter that he scumreads me unless he also thinks my partner is pine or TGP.

Once you remove me tgp and pine from his potential teams his options are limited. And I'm not sure any team without at least 1 of pine/me will be approved by anybody.

There is one team he could suggest which would require manipulating a townie into accepting a mission doomed to fail. If he picks it it will confirm a few reads for me so I'll just wait and see.

There is a small chance that he picks it while being town but if that was the case I'm hoping there'd be reasoning justifying the choice that makes sense from town pov.
If he does pick this worst case scenario team and his reasoning is bad then I'll know TW is scum.

Basically ball's in TW's court, but I also need to see who agrees with me on potential teams in case we need to skip his turn as leader.
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Post Post #189 (isolation #45) » Wed May 16, 2018 2:50 am

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TW at this stage of the game with only one mission I cannot prove to you that I'm town.

But trust me when I say that I can always see other's perspective in resistance if I take the time to think about it. This is not the real life version. There is no danger of me losing my temper or having a personality clash that blinds me. I have all the time in the world to read and analyze every word you post.

If you do suggest the team in my head but actually provide a justification that makes sense as town I WILL be able to notice that and I will do my best to convince you to pick a different team.

You need to trust that if I am town my skill level and knowledge of this game is such that I won't tunnel. If I disagree with you it wouldn't be because I let my reads get the better of me. It would be because I compared both our perspectives and concluded mine is better.

And if I am scum it's not going to make a difference to you what I say about you, and frankly you have more charisma than me so that's a battle you're likely to win.

Pedit - TGP everything I said that game was honestly exactly what I thought was right for town. My whole strategy was dependent on irrelephant continuing to look like my enemy so that with wifom one of us would go to mission 5 and win us the game. I wasn't trying to win by convincing town to play suboptimally. I was trying to win by not exposing my partner so that one of us would be townread in the end. If you are reading me as scum based on that game then you're going to have a hard time reading me in resistance. This is my domain and my passion. I have spoken for literally hours on resistance strategy and I sound the same every time. I know this won't matter to you this game but if this keeps being played on mish mash you'll soon see that I talk this much and over analyze in every game of resistance.
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Post Post #191 (isolation #46) » Wed May 16, 2018 7:20 am

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In post 190, Pine wrote:
In post 183, the worst wrote:tfw buj scumread intensifying
Yeah, right?

Like, lockscum.

I could endorse TGP's idea of him, TW, and Iconeum. I think it's a sabotage, but then we'd know that {TGP, Iconeum} contains a scum. That'll help.

So basically we gain nothing from the first mission passing?

In a 6p game:
If mission 1 fails you send all 3 new players for mission 2.
If mission 1 passes you have to send at least 1 of the mission 1 goers.


TGP/Icon/TW gives you 0 info about who's scum if it fails. Could be any of them. And doesn't help you sort the first 2 players any further.
You'd basically be banking on them passing the mission. Except you're not because you just said you expect it to fail.
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Post Post #193 (isolation #47) » Wed May 16, 2018 7:59 am

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Sure I agree with the townpoint thing. That's why I didn't need to talk about it.

But your whole game state and strategy is shattered if even just 1 of me/TW is town. And yet you're making decisions that bet the entire game on you being right instead of ones that allow for a margin of error.

What's wrong with me/you/TW? You or your locktown friend can frame me with a sabotage. Or it's a townpoint that proves I'm town to you.
Good team for both scum!pine and town!pine.
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Post Post #196 (isolation #48) » Wed May 16, 2018 9:39 am

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I just don't think scum risk losing another point at mission 2. If mission 2 succeeds I have to assume they're all town.
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Post Post #198 (isolation #49) » Wed May 16, 2018 10:39 am

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I just think scum give off a lot more clues when they have to win every point than when they don't.

They can't guarantee they win 3 in a row just because we don't know which of the 3 that passed mission 2 was actually scum. They can't guarantee they'll comvince town to vote with them.

The 6p game increases the margin of choosing a townie by random significantly. Even better odds with good reads and analysis. It is much riskier than 5p to give up 2 missions as scum.
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Post Post #201 (isolation #50) » Wed May 16, 2018 5:18 pm

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Brie my team works with anyone. It just needs pine and me in it. TW is leader so it's his mission he gets to go. We have just as little info about him as we do about you, TGP and Icon
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Post Post #203 (isolation #51) » Wed May 16, 2018 5:24 pm

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That you are...That you are.
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Post Post #210 (isolation #52) » Thu May 17, 2018 9:01 am

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TW I will vote for any team that TGP suggests.
I'm just gonna play in a way that confirms me town by mechanics not reads because they're still scumreading me.

Choose any combo you like TGP. And then choose any combo you like for mission 3 also. I will vote yes both times.

Do whatever you need to prove me town. Once you're done I'd like to take you on mission 5.
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Post Post #222 (isolation #53) » Thu May 17, 2018 6:17 pm

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So TGP.. are you voting yes?
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Post Post #223 (isolation #54) » Thu May 17, 2018 6:19 pm

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Brie it's not about trusting TGP
It's about getting him to trust me or catching him as scum if he ignores irrefutable evidence.
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Post Post #224 (isolation #55) » Thu May 17, 2018 6:20 pm

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His logic of explaining why a mission succeeded or failed while I'm not in it is more indicative of his alignment that anything else.

That and his team suggestions. Very interesting to see how somebody acts when they know they have 2 votes instead of 1.
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Post Post #226 (isolation #56) » Thu May 17, 2018 6:35 pm

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Well you didn't pick the worst possible team from your perspective...

But considering I town read brie... brie/pine is not the team so this team contains scum.

I actually hope they pass it just to make me look bad
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Post Post #227 (isolation #57) » Thu May 17, 2018 6:36 pm

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Would be some next level shiz
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Post Post #228 (isolation #58) » Thu May 17, 2018 6:37 pm

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That is assuming you get enough votes.

I'm secretly banking on your turn getting skipped because I just don't trust you
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Post Post #229 (isolation #59) » Thu May 17, 2018 6:38 pm

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But I did hitch my wagon to TGP and .. well it would be really fun if you/TGP were spies lol
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Post Post #231 (isolation #60) » Thu May 17, 2018 6:43 pm

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Because you trust pine more than me
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Post Post #232 (isolation #61) » Thu May 17, 2018 6:44 pm

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And you didn't take either of us on this mission.. which is just weird.
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Post Post #233 (isolation #62) » Thu May 17, 2018 6:45 pm

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Do you think me/pine can be a team?

I don't see another justification for not taking one of us at least if not both which is what I think is the most optimal team.
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Post Post #235 (isolation #63) » Thu May 17, 2018 7:03 pm

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That's fine but you asked why I'm not townreading you.. it's stuff like that :P

Scum is 2 of: pine/TW/TGP

Don't know the town among them yet.
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Post Post #236 (isolation #64) » Thu May 17, 2018 7:05 pm

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I'd be impressed if it is TW/TGP.

But I highly doubt it, because Pine is trying to tell his partner to sabotage it in
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Post Post #243 (isolation #65) » Thu May 17, 2018 10:42 pm

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In post 241, TheBrie wrote:
In post 226, BuJaber wrote:
I actually hope they pass it just to make me look bad
Are you trying to trick them into passing it?
Yes
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Post Post #254 (isolation #66) » Sat May 19, 2018 3:41 am

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I'm voting with TGP
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Post Post #255 (isolation #67) » Sat May 19, 2018 3:43 am

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Duck when TGP fails this mission how will you prove you're town?
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Post Post #258 (isolation #68) » Sat May 19, 2018 4:28 pm

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In post 256, the worst wrote:I am very clearly town, why did you make ?
explain in detail please
Is this sarcasm?
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Post Post #260 (isolation #69) » Sat May 19, 2018 4:47 pm

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I've seen one scum-game and it was mafia.

This is different.

255 is simple. From our perspective if missiom 2 fails how should we know it wasn't you who sabotaged? Or worse picked your partner and only one of you sabotaged?

I actually do have a weak townread on you for this round, but round 1 was suspicious as hell. And I also don't agree fundamentally with choosing 3 new players when mission 1 was a success.

That said if you're town it would mean TGP/Pine are the scum team from my pov and I'm just not ready to lock that team yet.
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Post Post #263 (isolation #70) » Sat May 19, 2018 7:34 pm

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In post 261, the worst wrote:you realise how easily it can look like you're signalling to TGP to sabotage right?
Yes and yet he will still sabotage and try to push the narrative that I'm the scum later.

Can we skip TGP's mission?
Mission 3 should be brie/icon/me/TW.
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Post Post #276 (isolation #71) » Tue May 22, 2018 1:18 am

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We are but I am getting paranoid that something is off
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Post Post #278 (isolation #72) » Tue May 22, 2018 2:42 am

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Yes that's what I mean by skip.
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Post Post #279 (isolation #73) » Tue May 22, 2018 2:46 am

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Wait no since the gameplay is a little different from the board game...
For example, we don't secretly vote to accept or decline the mission.

Can we use hurt tags and if we get 3 hurt tags that skips a leader's mission?
And if so can we confirm that this wouldn't give the spies a point just like it wouldn't in the board game unless it happens to 6 leaders in a row?
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Post Post #282 (isolation #74) » Tue May 22, 2018 3:32 am

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It's a mish mash game I hold no judgement on the mod.

Simply hosting is fantastic.

And mafiascum has a high standard for modding; most mafia mods I come across are so awesomely awesome.
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Post Post #290 (isolation #75) » Tue May 22, 2018 5:39 am

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HURT:
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Post Post #291 (isolation #76) » Tue May 22, 2018 5:43 am

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Like I said 2 scum in tw/pine/TGP.

But fine go ahead and clear icon.

It comes down to the town among the 3 of you to approve my mission or you just handed caught scum a win. In a 6p mission. With a first mission pass.
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Post Post #300 (isolation #77) » Tue May 22, 2018 7:50 pm

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I thought you were townreading me and on my side? Now you suddenly don't trust me and you want this team to go?

Maybe I was wrong and it is brie.. you are a great actress. I was townreading you so confidently.
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Post Post #308 (isolation #78) » Tue May 22, 2018 10:57 pm

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Actually icon you're right.
Regardless of whether or not there is a mission that requires 2 sabotages, the number of sabotages is public knowledge in the board game and very important. Yes it is very rare that 2 sabotages happen because derp.. but still.

That said I don't mind not following the board game exactly when it comes to the less important mechanics.
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Post Post #310 (isolation #79) » Tue May 22, 2018 11:06 pm

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I don't know what TW thinks anymore. I am townreading his tone only. But by play I think he thinks he's going to be able to prove something but unfortunately he is going to find out that he can't. And we'll be back to square 1 again for mission 5 with townies not trusting other townies because the teams we sent out gave us very little info.

Brie if you're town you have to realize you're being chosen for this mission because they want to shade you.

They want each person to have reasonable doubt of being scum. If you are never chosen and fails happen you will be confirmed. They already proved that me and you can't both be scum. That me and pine can't both be scum. That you and pine can't both be scum. They can't afford to give us more info and they can't afford to give us our 2nd point before they get theirs.
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Post Post #312 (isolation #80) » Tue May 22, 2018 11:11 pm

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That is the big puzzle.

I've seen you pull off acting like town when scum so you still could be scum.

But I suspect TGP is definitely the scum here and it's either you or pine.
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Post Post #314 (isolation #81) » Tue May 22, 2018 11:27 pm

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Nope it's healthy skepticism.

I only have 3 reads. TGP scum. Icon town. Brie town. You and pine are nulls. Though I leantown for you and leanscum for pine.
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Post Post #317 (isolation #82) » Wed May 23, 2018 12:08 am

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TGP has no reason to trust pine over me. But even with that he agreed to a mission that didn't even include pine.

Pine for his mission 1 shenanigans. Don't trust his change of heart. Don't trust his drop in postcount since. I think he wanted to fail mission 1 but got cold feet.
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Post Post #318 (isolation #83) » Wed May 23, 2018 12:08 am

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In post 317, BuJaber wrote:But even with that he agreed to a mission that didn't even include pine.
A mission that failed *
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Post Post #325 (isolation #84) » Wed May 23, 2018 12:53 am

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see.. townie pov.

Let me help you out more icon..

I would understand if TGP nullread me and pine and so didn't know which he wanted for mission 2. (I still think it's wrong for town to not take at least 1 of them but that's a strategy debate). However he scumread me and townread pine. So if he wanted a succeasful mission 2 why would he support a team that didn't include his townread?
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Post Post #332 (isolation #85) » Wed May 23, 2018 3:08 am

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Well you and I are forming a townbloc they'd want to disturb that.
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Post Post #337 (isolation #86) » Thu May 24, 2018 8:17 am

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Thanks for expecting the game to end with a spy win.

We can't afford to test another team. Y'all didn't listen to me. Now all we have is reads. Pick 3 townies we win. Pick any 1 scum we lose.

Icon/me/brie

And good job brie if brie is spy but I doubt it.

Please be aware that spies will try to reject this mission so one townie who isn't in the mission needs to okay it.
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Post Post #339 (isolation #87) » Thu May 24, 2018 9:21 am

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Well once you clear the three people in this mission you have a better chance at figuring out the 4th. Especially if the fourth okays the mission.
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Post Post #340 (isolation #88) » Thu May 24, 2018 9:27 am

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Unless you think the spies are low enough to pass this mission just to give us false hope and then betray us in mission 5.

We only need 3 townies for right now.

Your continuous suspicion of me was ultimately your downfall pine. I'm the one who was advocating for more info-oriented missions instead of the random teams that we had. I'm the only one that is confirmed to not be scum with 2 people.

The only people scumreading me are you .. the person who took me on a mission. And TGP who barely posts and hasn't even provided a reason for his scumread on me.
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Post Post #341 (isolation #89) » Thu May 24, 2018 9:29 am

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The only thing I am afraid of is pine/TW being a team. They're both capable enough to pull off an elaborate ruse and long con.

But it really just looks like a pine/TGP scum team.
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Post Post #343 (isolation #90) » Thu May 24, 2018 11:54 am

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In post 342, the worst wrote:If I were scum with the evil tree I'd have a p different approach here.

Icon and Brie are probably town?
How so? You got 2 missions to fail that your partner sat out of. It's pretty optimal.

I don't really think you are scum but you definitely
could
and in fact it would be one of the most superior scum games I've seen in resistance.

Would you vote yes for me/brie/icon?
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Post Post #346 (isolation #91) » Thu May 24, 2018 12:48 pm

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Lol I think that was a wifomy shade attempt.
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Post Post #348 (isolation #92) » Thu May 24, 2018 12:56 pm

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You don't say
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Post Post #361 (isolation #93) » Thu May 24, 2018 7:02 pm

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Info hunting doesn't ignore the first mission pass.


There are three options the least likely of which is pine picking his own buddy and then not failing the mission because he sacrifices a point and wastes an opportunity to get his buddy towncred. Town would be inclined to believe 1 scum among us.

So the likely options are 2 towns or 1T 1 S.
You repeat both or one of us because you want to which it is. You can methodically repeat 1 or 2 players from each mission to test out different theories.

Ie if pine/me/x went on misdion 2 and it passed there is a very big chance all 3 are town.

If you take pine/x/y and leave me out and the mission fails you can then do x/y/me. If it fails the most likely scenario is that x/y contains scum.

Now you can do pine/me/x or pine/me/y to find out which of them it was.

Yes there is always a margin of error but that's where the votes would guide you. A townie that isn't chosen in mission 2 has no reason to approve it. So if the mission fails it softly indicates all 3 chosen were town. Likewise if someone on a later mission approves a mission that doesn't include him it could indicate their partner is in it. Another clue is if a person chosen for a mission doesn't vote for it. Because scum in most cases would only vote no for a mission they are chosen for if their partner is in it. So it makes it either a town claim or 2 spies are in the proposed team.
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Post Post #364 (isolation #94) » Thu May 24, 2018 8:18 pm

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I'm good with this
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Post Post #367 (isolation #95) » Thu May 24, 2018 8:44 pm

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See TW this is why I keep having second thoughts about you .. how am I not obviously town relative to pine?
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Post Post #376 (isolation #96) » Thu May 24, 2018 9:14 pm

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In post 369, TheBrie wrote:Hmm, it seems to me that there's quite a reasonable chance of scum not sabotaging the first mission. At least if there's only one on the mission. Because if the first mission fails, we get fairly specific information.

Mission two a townie might vote if they felt confident about who was on it, but that probably won't happen?

Bu, that's all about how we should have played and not information especially relevant to the current game, right?

(later, after doing important other stuff)

Which question is for me?
Yes sorry I was just explaining why you always repeat at least one person from mission 1 if mission 1 passes.

If mission 1 fails you pick 3 new people because you want to find the 2nd scum first generally speaking.
You won't necessary know who from just mission 2 obviously but if you pick 3 new players you also just win if mission 1 had both scum.
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Post Post #382 (isolation #97) » Thu May 24, 2018 10:23 pm

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TGP was loudly and publicly opposing me.

And people don't need to oppose me when the leader doesn't even pick me.

The fact that people are voting yes for missions that I am not in is already enough opposition. I don't know how else you expect people to act with a scumread.

I specifically told you you and TGP will help prove me town and you did just that by failing two missions I wasn't a part of.

You're logic isn't just incorrect it isn't even applicable to this game.
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Post Post #383 (isolation #98) » Thu May 24, 2018 10:23 pm

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Above is @pine
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Post Post #387 (isolation #99) » Fri May 25, 2018 2:02 am

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HEAL: Icon/Buj/Brie
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Post Post #392 (isolation #100) » Fri May 25, 2018 2:39 am

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In post 390, Iconeum wrote:Buj/Pine?
Neither of us were in mission 2.
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Post Post #403 (isolation #101) » Fri May 25, 2018 6:25 am

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If pine is town we lose anyway because mission 4 needs all 4 towns.

We are picking TW for mission 4.
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Post Post #412 (isolation #102) » Sun May 27, 2018 5:19 pm

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7 day day-phases.
So we have until the 31st.
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Post Post #421 (isolation #103) » Mon May 28, 2018 3:01 am

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I predicted all of this
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Post Post #422 (isolation #104) » Mon May 28, 2018 3:04 am

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Icon don't dismiss day 1.

And it could be TW/Pine.
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Post Post #424 (isolation #105) » Mon May 28, 2018 3:06 am

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I mean I can't pick TGP it's way too late to think he's town now but this is a perfect game for pine/TW if scum. Just food for thought for next time.

Pedit - just playing devil's advocate with myself
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Post Post #434 (isolation #106) » Mon May 28, 2018 4:52 pm

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Lol yeah what's that about
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Post Post #448 (isolation #107) » Mon May 28, 2018 7:10 pm

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In post 436, Iconeum wrote:The perfect example of how important votes are. Tgp denying final mission made me feel so good
I mean he should still just deny missions he isn't in at that point then maybe hammer mission 5.

To be fair this was an embarassing result for town. 6p vanilla resistance is town sided and we had 2 towns go in mission 1.

Pine didn't go on another mission until mission 3, and I was denied the chance to go on any missions based on blind suspicion.

TW what was your mystery plan for mission 2? I couldn't figure it out. :oops:
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Post Post #451 (isolation #108) » Mon May 28, 2018 8:44 pm

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Hard to say.

In the end we are kind of adapting the rules to fit the forum. For example yes the leadership mechanic is from the board game but votes are also secret there.

So I think maybe we have no leadership mechanic and public voting or both leadership mechanic and secret voting.

First option was I believe followed in the 5p and 7p games. Second option requires more work for the mod so it's probably not worth it.
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Post Post #454 (isolation #109) » Mon May 28, 2018 11:11 pm

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Well by secret I mean you can claim "approve" and "disapprove" but your vote is secret untill all are revealed together.

What this means is that you cannot change your vote based on someone else's vote. But we can still analyze how people voted after the mission.

But yes I agree spyfall works better than resistance in forum format. Resistance will remain my favorite in real life though (so far).
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